Archivist Notes: This session took place in
the midst of the last El Niño and it had been a stormy
time so far. At the end of the tape is John's
description of the snow and ice that were making our
lives a living hell at the time, not having a snow
blower to work with yet. Weather delayed John's
arrival to the session that night and he ended up
coming in half way through the first side while Tia
was still speaking.
Prior to that, Tia had begun things with a
status of the Dow and the factors that would lead up
to the theme of the night's session., a possible crash
of the economy of the United States. The connection
with the banks and their investments in the market are
explained and we discuss the phases of what was to
follow and how best to survive and thrive. To get to
such a scenario, she goes through the mechanisms of a
massive drop in the stock markets and how things like
the massive flooding going on at the time could lead
to a spike in food prices bringing with it
inflationary jumps. From there we take a trip down
disaster lane and what the average person will be
experiencing at that time. It's the survival and
recovery phases that are the subject of what she
details and is followed up as a theme by Omal during
his time channeling. She leaves us with an excellent
entrepreneurial suggestion on an item for resale few
people would consider a valuable commodity. Omal
follows Tia with an almost clairvoyant prediction of
the Tiananmen Square massacre that would come two
years later. It was the death of Deng Xiaoping in 1997
that brought up the question of what the people would
do in its wake. No one can predict human behavior
better than someone who isn't human and Omal shows
once again why that is so.
On side two, Omal talks about how the
educated, seekers of knowledge do not have to be
leaders or teachers if they do not want after a crash
but then gets into a discussion on the current
situation in North and South Korea. In that
discussion, he notes the crossroads North Korea found
itself at in 1997 and the directions it could take to
make it worse or better. The literacy rate of South
Korea was brought up as well and where it could take
that country into the 21rst century. He returns to the
topic of recovery as we go over cooperation in the
form of a healing center where people could come
together for support and learning. He ends by
suggesting that links be established now for such an
occurrence in the foreseeable future. Karra and I next
put our heads together to kick around the plans for a
for awareness to help with getting through a
crash and how already there is a growth
in the spiritual awakening in the
surrounding area. she describes the varied group of people who
were growing spiritually before
an answer the mental bond
between her and I.
we get an update on how
things went with her trying
to get pregnant as was
brought up last in
November's podcast Sirius Justice. Kiri finishes
a lesson on
voice as a
both Mark and
some recent coercion
we had been
to use. Her
lesson she was
tape ends with
of what Mark
and John had
done to clear
huge mass of
snow and ice
as a result of
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Russ: it was an accident.
Tia: yeah, likely story. Okay, come on, down to business.
Russ: okay, let's go. Okay, my dear, this evening we are working on with yourself of course world history.
Russ: excuse me, world present. Alright now, with the advent of various things that have been going on lately now…..
Russ: I need to find out how that is affecting our current situation on a more local level.
Tia: well on a local level, if you take all the current things going on for example, the death of Deng Xiaoping….
Tia: the defection of the minister of agriculture for North Korea, it doesn’t affect on a local scale anything......
Tia: at the moment, but later on it could, depends on what transpires from these actions.
Russ: now how about the Dow hitting over 7,000 and climbing?
Tia: but that, as I said, is part of my predictions, the higher it goes, the greater the fall.
Russ: uh-huh. So could we see a 10,000 Dow?
Tia: possibly yes.
Russ: uh-hmm, okay.
Tia: but, if it reaches 10,000 right?
Tia: and drops back to 7,000 in a matter of days or weeks right? What has actually happened?
Russ: well it’s lost a lot.
Tia: no it hasn’t, hasn’t lost anything. Let’s say you put in to the stock market 10,000 of your dollars right? At the 7,000 mark......
Russ: okay, correct.
Tia: it jumps 33% to 10,000 right? And then drops, plummets, loses 2,000, how much money have you lost?
Russ: I haven’t lost anything. It's those people who bought in at 10,000…..
Russ: who are getting soaked.
Russ: but, as we're saying, it’s not a point of dropping 2,000, it’s a point of dropping to 3,000.
Russ: you know, going from 10,000 to 3,000.
that’s when the difference occurs, when it’s a major
disaster. For example, the people that invested at 6,000
Tia: let’s say they invested 10,000 right? It’s climbed what, 14%?
Tia: 14 to 24% right? They’ve made 14 to 24% profit on their investment. Now let’s say it drops back down to 6,500 right?
Tia: they haven’t lost anything, they only lost money on the profit that they’ve made.
Russ: I disagree though, only because with the money they made from that climb…….
Russ: they're going to reinvest back in the market again.
Tia: which pushes it up higher.
Russ: and, when it drops again, they're going to lose the money they invested.
Tia: but they haven’t lost anything.
Russ: that’s if it comes back to the point they started at.
Russ: but see as you’re saying, at the higher it goes, the longer the drop.
Russ: therefore the drop that we’re looking at could be extreme.
Tia: yes it could be extreme but there again it might not be. My personal opinions don’t enter into this and my mathematical formulas still stand but the thing to remember is that when the stock market climbs as high as it does, the money that you put in at let’s say 6,000 is still going to be there if it climbs to 10,000 and then drops back to 6,000. You haven’t lost anything, you've only lost profit but if it drops lower than the amount that you put in right? Let’s say it drops down to 5,000, then you have lost some serious money. You’ve lost your $10,000 investment.
now, here’s the point I want to get to next. We’ve always
discussed how you would lose that money okay?
Russ: that is not would cause a major trouble spots as you’re talking about.
Tia: uh-huh, I’m talking about a massive, major drop.
Russ: right, but what would happen next would be the banks right?
because the banks, if I have this straight, they also invest
heavily in the market.....
Russ: using people’s funds that they’ve deposited to invest and make more money which they in turn allow…..or allow them to have more money to lend out.
Russ: okay, now what I see is happening now if I can get this straight, this will help our webpage folk out there who are following this….
Russ: is that first place, those people who have borrowed money from the banks, would be unable to pay back the money due to the losses they have sustained….
Russ: which would go out of business. Those people who have put money into the bank would see the banks failing…..
Russ: due to the losses that they’re taking from the investments they’ve made.
Russ: thereby creating a little…..a lessening then of the confidence in the banking facility they go with therefore wanting their money brought out. The banks themselves only hold about 20% of the funds that are actually deposited in them.
Tia: correct so far.
Russ: so, would a run on the banks from people wanting their money out of there would cause bank closures which would mean….
Tia: incorrect. You ever been to your bank and read the thing of the FIDE?
Russ: uh-huh. Federal depositor’s insurance credit?
that is for such an eventuality. That is so that your
Tia: let us say your bank spends all your money that you have in there on investments and then goes broke.
the government steps in or the federal investors step in and
reimburse you what the bank has lost in an insurance
way…..(Ed. note: up to $250,000.00)
Tia: up to the amount that you have in there.
Russ: but, what we’re talking about is a massive bank closings on a major scale.
Tia: no, no, no, you just missed something there.
Tia: what happens if the federal government has to bail out the banks? Where does the money come from?
Russ: it gets printed.
Tia: which does what?
Russ: creates inflation.
Tia: which in turn does what?
Russ: Germany 1940……no, 1936.
Tia: wrong, 1926.
Russ: '26. That’s right, the Nazis were already a party in ‘36.
Russ: right. Okay, so with a lack plus, the banks would be unable to lend any more money.
Russ: now, not being able to lend money would create people not being able to invest in businesses, homes, cars and other things that keep America going.....
Russ: because there would be no credit available. Credit cards.......
Russ: the debt from the credit cards alone would cripple the economy.
Russ: and with the banks closing, what would happen to the credit cards issued by the banks?
Tia: they would be worthless pieces of plastic.
Russ: nobody would be able to use them correct?
Tia: correct. And your economy being based on these worthless pieces of plastic would go (blows a raspberry.) Which is spelled P.H.E.E.E.W. (blows another raspberry.)
Russ: okay. All right so anyway, people even with great credit, money in the bank and everything…
Russ: would be broke.
Russ: I mean they have money come back but at the inflationary levels that would be rising….
Russ: they'd be essentially as good as broke.
Tia: no, no. You see the thing is that the rich, how did they get rich?
Russ: they inherited it.
Tia: okay, so people that went out and made money are quite capable of doing it again. They just have to learn or remember how they did it. People that inherited it right? Tend to have a tougher time because it was handed to them but nine times out of 10, the majority of them are astute enough to be able to make wise decisions with their money and make investments. I’m not saying making investments in stocks and bonds and dividends and shares and so on, but be able to make wise decisions in opening up a grocery store on the corner in the ideal location. It’s those common people that invest in the market through their banks that have the problem. Let us say we take the house husband on the corner right?
Tia: that scrimps and saves and deposits let’s say 2,000 of his dollars in the bank account…..
Tia: or in a bank that invests his money in the market. That’s the people that will suffer, not the people that have lots of money, not the people that are the serious investors that admittedly yes they will be almost wiped out in a crash. You see what I’m saying? Those people that have the money will not be the ones that suffer.
Russ: now what about us folks who have no money whatsoever into the market?
Russ: you know, our money is basically just hand to fist.
Tia: uh-huh, hand to fist huh? That’s a strange expression.
Russ: right, but basically it’s not something we don't save up, we just live on what we make and you know buy what we need as we go.
Tia: uh-huh. Now it depends if the places that you work at are invested or are invested in by people that will be affected by the market. Take for example your workplace right? Okay, let us say that the stock market crashes right?
Tia: and people start to have a tough time and need to get rid of their communication devices like the picture imaging device, their musical devices because they have to sell them to make money.
Tia: what are they going to do for entertainment? Where are they going to go?
Russ: well, they'll go to the movie theaters….
Russ: if they’re running.
Russ: if not, go down to the beach and watch a lovely sunset.
Tia: uh-huh, which is good for the spiritual development.
Russ: oh yes, absolutely.
Russ: now but at the same time, that’s a very happy kind of positive way of looking at it.
Tia: yes it is.
Russ: but that’s not actually what would happen.
what would actually happen, people would be having #*&!@
fits. Excuse my blank, blank, blank fits.
Russ: and with that, sunsets at the beach are the last thing they’re going to be thinking about.
Tia: no, people still enjoy the finer things in life. How much does it cost to go and watch a sunset?
Russ: it’s free.
Tia: how much does it cost to go and watch a moon rise?
Russ: alright let's take a local example…
on a smaller scale.....
of someone who loses their job and doesn’t have any income
coming in due to the fact that the income from the current
market that he is in is dead.
so, in that occurrence, you can see a small scale version of
what the larger scale would look like.
Russ: not a pretty picture.
Tia: isn’t that what we said back before this started?
Russ: oh yes, oh yes. We absolutely.....you called it on the money and it's on the webpage even.
Tia: uh-huh, before it happened.
Russ: and you know it’s that being able to keep your head in a middle around that are losing theirs.
Tia: uh-huh, in this case it looks more like it is not happening that way.
Russ: correct. Now as this is a small scale example….
Russ: on a larger scale, that would affect us on a local basis.
Tia: correct. Let us take for example there is massive flooding in the Central Valley as happened….
Tia: okay, which takes out the price of food.
Tia: if you go to your local supermarket, I watched Mark when he went shopping, I noted the prices. The prices are up.
Tia: only a couple cents here and there.
Russ: how about the green and red peppers?
Tia: I believe they're up to I think $1.59 a pound as opposed to being something like $1.49 at about Christmas time. That’s a jump of $.10 per pound.
Tia: now if you look at the prices of everything jumping up, let’s say anywhere from $.01 to $.10 right?
Tia: let us say that you buy things by the pound.
Tia: you’re spending $.01 to $.10 more than you were two months ago.
Tia: let us say that you bought five pounds at Christmas time of bell peppers right? For whatever reason.
Tia: now you’re paying an extra $.50 more for that five pounds.
Russ: yeah, it’s not horrible if you can afford it.
Tia: uh-huh but if you can’t?
Russ: but if you can’t afford it, then you go through what we're seeing now which is depression…
Russ: stress, headaches…..
Russ: and a basic tearing down of the ego and personality.
Tia: correct and you go in this cycle. You go depression, anxiety, stress, headaches, depression, anxiety and so on in this nice big circle going around and around and as it goes around, it spirals up and in and in and in until it reaches a point where it can't go any further and something has to happen at that point. Now that point I see is a long way away but it depends on how fast the spiraling is going. “Can’t work because too depressed, don’t want to go out and look for work, don’t want to go and look for work, where am I going to get my money from?” Worrying about money increases stress, “what am I going to do, what am I going to do?”, headache. Headache, "oh God, I’ve got a headache, I can’t work, I’m depressed" which goes back to stress and so on.
Russ: now if you’re starting to see this increase in numbers….
Russ: which already has started….
Russ: then there are couple options that will like I foresee happening and I want to get your opinion on this. People will tend to move out of that area......
Russ: where's there’s jobs. If they're no jobs, there’s nowhere to work.
Russ: now the other option is becoming a burden on the system.
Russ: now in either case, if you go somewhere else, you might find a job and do well.
Tia: that’s the key phrase there, might.
Russ: correct. The other option is that your depression from before, will carry over.
Russ: you’re already in a fragile state of mind, let's see you get a job. Well let's just say your lack of self-confidence now….
Russ: you know might be detrimental to your work ethics.
Tia: exactly and the spiral starts again.
Russ: right. So at what point do we see this on the large scale? When the bank start to go or that Wall Street starts to go?
Tia: when the banks. Most people aren't concerned that much with Wall Street.
Russ: with Wall Street, but they don’t see the tie between the banks and Wall Street either though.
Tia: correct. Even if Wall Street crashes right?
Tia: and drops down to 2,000 or 3,000 right?
Tia: they're not going to be too concerned because the banks are still there until the banks start to go.
Russ: they'll just turn into burning shells of buildings at that point.
Tia: basically yes and when they do that, then the cycle will really get underway. People will go, “oh my God, I’ve got no money, what do we do?”
Russ: correct. Now in our point you know, we'll get that maybe a month after it starts to go down in the big cities.
Russ: no not really, I guess it would be the other way around, same time right?
Tia: it depends, it really does depend on the environment that you’re in. The situation that you’re in......
Russ: let's say you’re in an urban, farming zone.
Tia: uh-huh, which is basically what this is.
Russ: correct, or Minden, Gardnerville, something like that. Where do you see that as being part of it?
I would say that that would be the lucky end for the simple
reason that from time-to-time when you're driving around,
you see farmers at the side of the road selling produce.
Tia: right they’re circumventing the whole entire chain. They produce food, it goes to a wholesaler, the wholesaler sells it to the stores, you go to the stores and buy it. They can sell it $0.10 to $0.20 cheaper than at the supermarket.
Russ: so if you had a supply…
Russ: of items, not produce so much though that would be good but other items.
Tia: luxury items.
luxury items that would suddenly becoming short order or
Russ: then you could do the same basic thing as the farmers are doing...
circumvent the system.
Russ: because the system's going down.
now with the stocking of supplies…..
knocks at the door.)
John: it’s Johnny.
Russ: come in Johnny.
come on, come in.
John: is it safe?
Tia: yeah, I don’t bite unless you want me to.
Russ: so basically what might be advisable…..
Russ: is let’s say the rental of a space……
have a seat bud......that would be able to hold enough stock
that you could go to....
Russ: to circumvent the system.
Russ: now the trouble is finding the stock and packing it away.
Tia: it depends on what you’re interested in. Okay, let us take your most basic setup in a house.
Tia: okay. If I look around the apartment up here, I will find towels, bed clothes, normal clothing, tampons, panty pads, shampoo, soap, toilet paper, all these things aren’t on your survival list are they?
Tia: not that you guys are going to need Tampax's or panty pads.
Russ: no true but the thing is, while those things all would make great commodities, what would be the most tradable good for the most money or in this case other tradable goods?
Tia: things that you use that are disposable.
Russ: now this I disagree with on one point.
Russ: yes that’s true but wouldn't something that people would look to in a panic situation be more advisable? For example ammunition, guns, items to defend yourself with?
Tia: to a certain extent yes, but….
Russ: then they think about these other things as secondary.
Tia: well these other things are more for the recovery, trade goods.
Russ: well that’s why I’m dealing with this with you now is on the two different stages we’re looking at here.
Russ: surviving up until the recovery point.
Russ: okay now, so what I'm talking about is goods that you can use to get you through to the recovery zone and those items which you can use during the recovery zone.
Russ: okay? Two different steps, two different kinds of goods.
Tia: yes but the part leading up to the start of the recovery will not be that long. For example, you have your crash right? Everybody panics.......
Tia: everybody fights amongst themselves, once that's over right?
Tia: then that starts the recovery. And it depends on how quickly people can get back on their feet and take the bull by the horns and push ahead with doing things. You know the economy's collapsed right?
Tia: people are looking for food and anything to survive right? You don’t use your food supply as trade goods because that draws attention to yourself.
Tia: what you do use is things like.......what one thing does everybody on your planet do?
Russ: eat.Tia: no, that would involve using your food supply.
Tia: but you’re close.
Russ: you mean go to the bathroom?
correct. Everybody needs to use something to clean their
bottoms when they’ve been to the bathroom. Whether it’s a
leaf or newspaper or toilet paper, everybody has to clean
Tia; if you don’t, it leads to unsanitary conditions and so on.
Russ: never really thought about it like that but okay......
uh-huh. So, you stock up on toilet paper, everybody needs
that but how often does somebody think about toilet paper?
In all your survival moves....
like every time I go to the bathroom.
Tia: all your war moves, all your horror movies, have you ever see anybody go to the bathroom?
Tia: but it’s not very often is it?
Tia: so you have something that everybody needs.
Russ: so, this is stuff for the recovery phase?
Tia: correct, easy, tradeable goods.
Russ: alright now you say the survival phase…
Russ: is not going to be very long.
Tia: well the definition of long depends.
correct and that’s where I’m getting to.
Russ: how long is long?
Tia: a year.
Russ: see that’s a long time.
Tia: no it’s not.
Russ: well not if you live for a 1,000 years, no.
I wouldn’t live for a 1,000 years, I will be lucky if I live
for 300 years. (Because she is Durondedunn and not Sirian.)
Russ: 300 years but one year out of 300 is not very much. One year when all hell is breaking loose can mean an eternity.
Tia: can seem like it yes.
sure. So probably the best bet.....
Russ: if I've got this right, is in the survival phase being as unnoticeable as possible….
Tia: yeah, being.......
Russ: well defended, well fed and unnoticed whatsoever.
Tia: well fed yes but not appearing to be well fed.
Tia: if you go around looking sleek, well fed and not constantly looking for food, you're going to draw attention to yourself. People are going to say, "what are those guys up to, why do they always look so good, healthy whereas we look like hell on wheels?"
Russ: right, okay.
Tia: so even if you have plenty of food, you still ration yourselves.
Russ: so essentially, you're not worried about....worried about doing anything on supply-side until the recovery phase begins?
Russ: so the survival phase is merely survival.
Tia: correct, which works on the primary functions of not drawing attention to yourself, keeping a low profile, teamwork and keeping things in appearance with what is going on.
Russ: blending in.
Tia: blending it. Once the recovery starts, then you can put yourself in a position where you don’t advertise, you don’t tell anybody but somebody says to you, "oh, I really would love to use some paper to go the bathroom with." You could say, "sure, let me have a look around and see if I can help you."
Russ: correct. Okay, anything else on that subject?
Tia: oh well I could say lots on that subject.
Russ: well we’ll save that for next week.
Tia: okay, I suppose you want to talk to the next person?
Russ: well, we might as well share the time tonight. Besides, remember I’ve got a type all this in and insert it into a webpage.
Tia: so you can paint a worse picture as you like, you have to think of everything in worst-case scenario. You can look at everything in a positive or negative light. The experience itself is either positive or negative, there is no middle ground. To recover from the situation, you have to be able to balance things in such a way that you do not appear too prominent but not too lowly because when you’re weak and lowly, you become a target for those that are in better condition.
Tia: in turn, you have to maintain a level where you are not noticeable, where you are in good condition and able to advance but yet again not be noticed. So you see?
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Russ: good night.
Tia: who said I was leaving permanently?
Russ: you'll be back, I know.
says goodbye again in Durondedunn.)
Omal: all these things tie in together. The reason that they tie in together is that they're all related in a way, they all either involve growth or death. The spiritual groups and the stock market are linked together in the fact that they are growing. Boris Yeltsin in the former Soviet Union and Deng Xiaping are all either dying or are dead, waiting for rebirth. This leaves open possible problems and possible remedies and improvements in situations. The current situation in China is a little bit up in the air. How will it affect Hong Kong which is due to be handed over sometime soon I believe?
Omal: how does that relate to the former Soviet Union? That up in the air not too sure? Well at one time the former Soviet Union and China were great allies. They still are to a certain extent, there are still political ties as well as economic ties and ethnic ties. With one up in the air and not quite sure and one holding its breath and waiting, leaves the possibility of unrest for those people within those various nations. Let us take China for example with approximately 11,000,000 people on the move, looking for work or in a depressed system. How are they going to respond to the death of one individual? Are they going to try and force their will upon the Central Committee or are they going to be more concerned with survival? How does survival affect the death of that individual? Well the survival works this way, if they force their will for change upon the new governmental body, they have the power to change their environment and make life better for themselves but seldom does this happen. If the same situation occurred in the former Soviet Union and Boris Yeltsin dies, there will be major political upheaval of the minority forcing their will on the majority. This could be a positive or a negative effect. The fact that already Boris Yeltsin is a weakened individual opens up the possibility that this is already happening and they're just waiting for him to pass away and therefore be able to make their move. They may wait until he is so incapacitated and then make their move but regardless of what happens in those countries, trouble is possibly brewing. Now let us look at the stock market and the growth of the spiritual organizations and groups. This comes from a more wealthier society that is bellowing like a mushroom. As it grows, people have more leisure time to pursue other interests but, if it grows too rapidly as it is, it leaves openings for cracks, discontent, confusion, overbalance and crash which in turns lets these groups of individuals that have had more time for leisure, growth and experimentation no longer have that option. So therefore it becomes dangerous and detrimental for such a large growing community. You see what will happen?
Russ: uh-huh, they'll get persecuted.
correct, those that have had the time to think and educate
and learn, now do not have that time. They are going from
hand to mouth or as you stated earlier on, from hand to fist
to try for development and growth, craving for what they
once had. What they once had was no….