Life After the Crash- 02/20/97


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Archivist Notes: This session took place in the midst of the last El Niño and it had been a stormy time so far. At the end of the tape is John's description of the snow and ice that were making our lives a living hell at the time, not having a snow blower to work with yet. Weather delayed John's arrival to the session that night and he ended up coming in half way through the first side while Tia was still speaking.

Prior to that, Tia had begun things with a status of the Dow and the factors that would lead up to the theme of the night's session., a possible crash of the economy of the United States. The connection with the banks and their investments in the market are explained and we discuss the phases of what was to follow and how best to survive and thrive. To get to such a scenario, she goes through the mechanisms of a massive drop in the stock markets and how things like the massive flooding going on at the time could lead to a spike in food prices bringing with it inflationary jumps. From there we take a trip down disaster lane and what the average person will be experiencing at that time. It's the survival and recovery phases that are the subject of what she details and is followed up as a theme by Omal during his time channeling. She leaves us with an excellent entrepreneurial suggestion on an item for resale few people would consider a valuable commodity. Omal follows Tia with an almost clairvoyant prediction of the Tiananmen Square massacre that would come two years later. It was the death of Deng Xiaoping in 1997 that brought up the question of what the people would do in its wake. No one can predict human behavior better than someone who isn't human and Omal shows once again why that is so.

On side two, Omal talks about how the educated, seekers of knowledge do not have to be leaders or teachers if they do not want after a crash but then gets into a discussion on the current situation in North and South Korea. In that discussion, he notes the crossroads North Korea found itself at in 1997 and the directions it could take to make it worse or better. The literacy rate of South Korea was brought up as well and where it could take that country into the 21rst century. He returns to the topic of recovery as we go over cooperation in the form of a healing center where people could come together for support and learning. He ends by suggesting that links be established now for such an occurrence in the foreseeable future. Karra and I next put our heads together to kick around the plans for a center for awareness to help with getting through a crash and how already there is a growth in the spiritual awakening in the surrounding area. she describes the varied group of people who were growing spiritually before confirming in an answer the mental bond between her and I. we get an update on how things went with her trying to get pregnant as was brought up last in November's podcast Sirius Justice. Kiri finishes the session with a lesson on using the voice as a tool in coercion by how to properly structure the coercive control. Kiri next grades both Mark and I on some recent coercion we had been called upon to use. Her example illustrates perfectly the lesson she was getting across. The tape ends with a grueling description of what Mark and John had done to clear out the huge mass of snow and ice as a result of El Niño.

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TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS
KARRA JOHN
KIRI



 Part 1soundListen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB)
Duration: 37:21 min. - File type: mp3

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Duration: 35:48 min. - File type: mp3

SIDE 1

SIDE 2

2.)(12:30)- Karra develops with me the plans of a possible center for awareness prior to revealing the aftermath of her attempts to get pregnant we heard about in November's podcast.

3.)(25:06)- Kiri gives some great pointers on how the voice can be used as a tool in coercion and then uses a recent incident between Mark and John as an example.



 


 

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SIDE ONE


(Tia gets the session going.)


Russ: it was an accident.

Tia: yeah, likely story. Okay, come on, down to business.

Russ: okay, let's go. Okay, my dear, this evening we are working on with yourself of course world history.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: excuse me, world present. Alright now, with the advent of various things that have been going on lately now…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I need to find out how that is affecting our current situation on a more local level.

Tia: well on a local level, if you take all the current things going on for example, the death of Deng Xiaoping….

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: the defection of the minister of agriculture for North Korea, it doesn’t affect on a local scale anything......

Russ: right.

Tia: at the moment, but later on it could, depends on what transpires from these actions.

Russ: now how about the Dow hitting over 7,000 and climbing?

Tia: but that, as I said, is part of my predictions, the higher it goes, the greater the fall.

Russ: uh-huh. So could we see a 10,000 Dow?

Tia: possibly yes.

Russ: uh-hmm, okay.

Tia: but, if it reaches 10,000 right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and drops back to 7,000 in a matter of days or weeks right? What has actually happened?

Russ: well it’s lost a lot.

Tia: no it hasn’t, hasn’t lost anything. Let’s say you put in to the stock market 10,000 of your dollars right? At the 7,000 mark......

Russ: okay, correct.

Tia: it jumps 33% to 10,000 right? And then drops, plummets, loses 2,000, how much money have you lost?

Russ: I haven’t lost anything. It's those people who bought in at 10,000…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: who are getting soaked.

Tia: correct.

Russ: but, as we're saying, it’s not a point of dropping 2,000, it’s a point of dropping to 3,000.

Tia: exactly.

Russ: you know, going from 10,000 to 3,000.

Tia: that’s when the difference occurs, when it’s a major disaster. For example, the people that invested at 6,000 right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: let’s say they invested 10,000 right? It’s climbed what, 14%?

Russ: right.

Tia: 14 to 24% right? They’ve made 14 to 24% profit on their investment. Now let’s say it drops back down to 6,500 right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: they haven’t lost anything, they only lost money on the profit that they’ve made.

Russ: I disagree though, only because with the money they made from that climb…….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they're going to reinvest back in the market again.

Tia: which pushes it up higher.

Russ: and, when it drops again, they're going to lose the money they invested.

Tia: but they haven’t lost anything.

Russ: that’s if it comes back to the point they started at.

Tia: correct.

Russ: but see as you’re saying, at the higher it goes, the longer the drop.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore the drop that we’re looking at could be extreme.

Tia: yes it could be extreme but there again it might not be. My personal opinions don’t enter into this and my mathematical formulas still stand but the thing to remember is that when the stock market climbs as high as it does, the money that you put in at let’s say 6,000 is still going to be there if it climbs to 10,000 and then drops back to 6,000. You haven’t lost anything, you've only lost profit but if it drops lower than the amount that you put in right? Let’s say it drops down to 5,000, then you have lost some serious money. You’ve lost your $10,000 investment.

Russ: now, here’s the point I want to get to next. We’ve always discussed how you would lose that money okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that is not would cause a major trouble spots as you’re talking about.

Tia: uh-huh, I’m talking about a massive, major drop.

Russ: right, but what would happen next would be the banks right?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because the banks, if I have this straight, they also invest heavily in the market.....

Tia: correct.

Russ: using people’s funds that they’ve deposited to invest and make more money which they in turn allow…..or allow them to have more money to lend out.

Tia: correct.

Russ: okay, now what I see is happening now if I can get this straight, this will help our webpage folk out there who are following this….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is that first place, those people who have borrowed money from the banks, would be unable to pay back the money due to the losses they have sustained….

Tia: correct.

Russ: which would go out of business. Those people who have put money into the bank would see the banks failing…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: due to the losses that they’re taking from the investments they’ve made.

Tia: correct.

Russ: thereby creating a little…..a lessening then of the confidence in the banking facility they go with therefore wanting their money brought out. The banks themselves only hold about 20% of the funds that are actually deposited in them.

Tia: correct so far.

Russ: so, would a run on the banks from people wanting their money out of there would cause bank closures which would mean….

Tia: incorrect. You ever been to your bank and read the thing of the FIDE?

Russ: FDIC?

Tia: yes.

Russ: uh-huh. Federal depositor’s insurance credit?

Tia: correct.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: that is for such an eventuality. That is so that your investment right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: let us say your bank spends all your money that you have in there on investments and then goes broke.

Russ: correct.

Tia: the government steps in or the federal investors step in and reimburse you what the bank has lost in an insurance way…..(Ed. note: up to $250,000.00)

Russ: theoretically.

Tia: up to the amount that you have in there.

Russ: but, what we’re talking about is a massive bank closings on a major scale.

Tia: no, no, no, you just missed something there.

Russ: what?

Tia: what happens if the federal government has to bail out the banks? Where does the money come from?

Russ: it gets printed.

Tia: which does what?

Russ: creates inflation.

Tia: which in turn does what?

Russ: Germany 1940……no, 1936.

Tia: wrong, 1926.

Russ: '26. That’s right, the Nazis were already a party in ‘36.

Tia: correct.

Russ: right. Okay, so with a lack plus, the banks would be unable to lend any more money.

Tia: correct.

Russ: now, not being able to lend money would create people not being able to invest in businesses, homes, cars and other things that keep America going.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because there would be no credit available. Credit cards.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the debt from the credit cards alone would cripple the economy.

Tia: correct.

Russ: and with the banks closing, what would happen to the credit cards issued by the banks?

Tia: they would be worthless pieces of plastic.

Russ: nobody would be able to use them correct?

Tia: correct. And your economy being based on these worthless pieces of plastic would go (blows a raspberry.) Which is spelled P.H.E.E.E.W. (blows another raspberry.)

Russ: okay. All right so anyway, people even with great credit, money in the bank and everything…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: would be broke.

Tia: no.

Russ: I mean they have money come back but at the inflationary levels that would be rising….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they'd be essentially as good as broke.

Tia: no, no. You see the thing is that the rich, how did they get rich?

Russ: they inherited it.

Tia: okay, so people that went out and made money are quite capable of doing it again. They just have to learn or remember how they did it. People that inherited it right? Tend to have a tougher time because it was handed to them but nine times out of 10, the majority of them are astute enough to be able to make wise decisions with their money and make investments. I’m not saying making investments in stocks and bonds and dividends and shares and so on, but be able to make wise decisions in opening up a grocery store on the corner in the ideal location. It’s those common people that invest in the market through their banks that have the problem. Let us say we take the house husband on the corner right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: that scrimps and saves and deposits let’s say 2,000 of his dollars in the bank account…..

Russ: right.

Tia: or in a bank that invests his money in the market. That’s the people that will suffer, not the people that have lots of money, not the people that are the serious investors that admittedly yes they will be almost wiped out in a crash. You see what I’m saying? Those people that have the money will not be the ones that suffer.

Russ: now what about us folks who have no money whatsoever into the market?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you know, our money is basically just hand to fist.

Tia: uh-huh, hand to fist huh? That’s a strange expression.

Russ: right, but basically it’s not something we don't save up, we just live on what we make and you know buy what we need as we go.

Tia: uh-huh. Now it depends if the places that you work at are invested or are invested in by people that will be affected by the market. Take for example your workplace right? Okay, let us say that the stock market crashes right?

Russ: right.

Tia: and people start to have a tough time and need to get rid of their communication devices like the picture imaging device, their musical devices because  they have to sell them to make money.

Russ: right.

Tia: what are they going to do for entertainment? Where are they going to go?

Russ: well, they'll go to the movie theaters….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: if they’re running.

Tia: correct.

Russ: if not, go down to the beach and watch a lovely sunset.

Tia: uh-huh, which is good for the spiritual development.

Russ: oh yes, absolutely.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now but at the same time, that’s a very happy kind of positive way of looking at it.

Tia: yes it is.

Russ: but that’s not actually what would happen.

Tia: no.

Russ: what would actually happen, people would be having #*&!@ fits. Excuse my blank, blank, blank fits.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and with that, sunsets at the beach are the last thing they’re going to be thinking about.

Tia: no, people still enjoy the finer things in life. How much does it cost to go and watch a sunset?

Russ: it’s free.

Tia: how much does it cost to go and watch a moon rise?

Russ: alright let's take a local example…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: of on a smaller scale.....

Tia: okay.

Russ: of someone who loses their job and doesn’t have any income coming in due to the fact that the income from the current market that he is in is dead.

Tia: uh-huh, correct.

Russ: so, in that occurrence, you can see a small scale version of what the larger scale would look like.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: not a pretty picture.

Tia: isn’t that what we said back before this started?

Russ: oh yes, oh yes. We absolutely.....you called it on the money and it's on the webpage even.

Tia: uh-huh, before it happened.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and you know it’s that being able to keep your head in a middle around that are losing theirs.

Tia: uh-huh, in this case it looks more like it is not happening that way.

Russ: correct. Now as this is a small scale example….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: on a larger scale, that would affect us on a local basis.

Tia: correct. Let us take for example there is massive flooding in the Central Valley as happened….

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, which takes out the price of food.

Russ: correct.

Tia: if you go to your local supermarket, I watched Mark when he went shopping, I noted the prices. The prices are up.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: only a couple cents here and there.

Russ: how about the green and red peppers?

Tia: I believe they're up to I think $1.59 a pound as opposed to being something like $1.49 at about Christmas time. That’s a jump of $.10 per pound.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now if you look at the prices of everything jumping up, let’s say anywhere from $.01 to $.10 right?

Russ: right.

Tia: let us say that you buy things by the pound.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: you’re spending $.01 to $.10 more than you were two months ago.

Russ: right.

Tia: let us say that you bought five pounds at Christmas time of bell peppers right? For whatever reason.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now you’re paying an extra $.50 more for that five pounds.

Russ: yeah, it’s not horrible if you can afford it.

Tia: uh-huh but if you can’t?

Russ: but if you can’t afford it, then you go through what we're seeing now which is depression…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: anxiety…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: stress, headaches…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and a basic tearing down of the ego and personality.

Tia: correct and you go in this cycle. You go depression, anxiety, stress, headaches, depression, anxiety and so on in this nice big circle going around and around and as it goes around, it spirals up and in and in and in until it reaches a point where it can't go any further and something has to happen at that point. Now that point I see is a long way away but it depends on how fast the spiraling is going. “Can’t work because too depressed, don’t want to go out and look for work, don’t want to go and look for work, where am I going to get my money from?” Worrying about money increases stress, “what am I going to do, what am I going to do?”, headache. Headache, "oh God, I’ve got a headache, I can’t work, I’m depressed" which goes back to stress and so on.

Russ: now if you’re starting to see this increase in numbers….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which already has started….

Tia: yes.

Russ: then there are couple options that will like I foresee happening and I want to get your opinion on this. People will tend to move out of that area......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: where's there’s jobs. If they're no jobs, there’s nowhere to work.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now the other option is becoming a burden on the system.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now in either case, if you go somewhere else, you might find a job and do well.

Tia: that’s the key phrase there, might.

Russ: correct. The other option is that your depression from before, will carry over.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you’re already in a fragile state of mind, let's see you get a job. Well let's just say your lack of self-confidence now….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you know might be detrimental to your work ethics.

Tia: exactly and the spiral starts again.

Russ: right. So at what point do we see this on the large scale? When the bank start to go or that Wall Street starts to go?

Tia: when the banks. Most people aren't concerned that much with Wall Street.

Russ: with Wall Street, but they don’t see the tie between the banks and Wall Street either though.

Tia: correct. Even if Wall Street crashes right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and drops down to 2,000 or 3,000 right?

Russ: right.

Tia: they're not going to be too concerned because the banks are still there until the banks start to go.

Russ: they'll just turn into burning shells of buildings at that point.

Tia: basically yes and when they do that, then the cycle will really get underway. People will go, “oh my God, I’ve got no money, what do we do?”

Russ: correct. Now in our point you know, we'll get that maybe a month after it starts to go down in the big cities.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: no not really, I guess it would be the other way around, same time right?

Tia: it depends, it really does depend on the environment that you’re in. The situation that you’re in......

Russ: let's say you’re in an urban, farming zone.

Tia: uh-huh, which is basically what this is.

Russ: correct, or Minden, Gardnerville, something like that. Where do you see that as being part of it?

Tia: I would say that that would be the lucky end for the simple reason that from time-to-time when you're driving around, you see farmers at the side of the road selling produce.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: right they’re circumventing the whole entire chain. They produce food, it goes to a wholesaler, the wholesaler sells it to the stores, you go to the stores and buy it. They can sell it $0.10 to $0.20 cheaper than at the supermarket.

Russ: so if you had a supply…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: of items, not produce so much though that would be good but other items.

Tia: luxury items.

Russ: luxury items that would suddenly becoming short order or high demand.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: then you could do the same basic thing as the farmers are doing...

Tia: correct.

Russ: circumvent the system.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because the system's going down.

Tia: correct.

Russ: now with the stocking of supplies…..

Tia: uh-huh.

(Someone knocks at the door.)

Russ: come in.

Tia: enter.

John: it’s Johnny.

Russ: come in Johnny.

Tia: come on, come in.

John: is it safe?

Russ: sure.

Tia: yeah, I don’t bite unless you want me to.

Russ: so basically what might be advisable…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is let’s say the rental of a space……

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: have a seat bud......that would be able to hold enough stock that you could go to....

Tia: uh-huh. 

Russ: to circumvent the system.

Tia: correct.

Russ: now the trouble is finding the stock and packing it away.

Tia: it depends on what you’re interested in. Okay, let us take your most basic setup in a house.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay. If I look around the apartment up here, I will find towels, bed clothes, normal clothing, tampons, panty pads, shampoo, soap, toilet paper, all these things aren’t on your survival list are they?

Russ: uh-uh.

Tia: not that you guys are going to need Tampax's or panty pads.

Russ: no true but the thing is, while those things all would make great commodities, what would be the most tradable good for the most money or in this case other tradable goods?

Tia: things that you use that are disposable.

Russ: now this I disagree with on one point.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yes that’s true but wouldn't something that people would look to in a panic situation be more advisable? For example ammunition, guns, items to defend yourself with?

Tia: to a certain extent yes, but….

Russ: then they think about these other things as secondary.

Tia: well these other things are more for the recovery, trade goods.

Russ: well that’s why I’m dealing with this with you now is on the two different stages we’re looking at here.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: surviving up until the recovery point.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay now, so what I'm talking about is goods that you can use to get you through to the recovery zone and those items which you can use during the recovery zone.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Two different steps, two different kinds of goods.

Tia: yes but the part leading up to the start of the recovery will not be that long. For example, you have your crash right? Everybody panics.......

Russ: right.

Tia: everybody fights amongst themselves, once that's over right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: then that starts the recovery. And it depends on how quickly people can get back on their feet and take the bull by the horns and push ahead with doing things. You know the economy's collapsed right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: people are looking for food and anything to survive right? You don’t use your food supply as trade goods because that draws attention to yourself.

Russ: correct.

Tia: what you do use is things like.......what one thing does everybody on your planet do?

Russ: eat.

Tia: no, that would involve using your food supply.

Russ: okay.

Tia: but you’re close.

Russ: you mean go to the bathroom?

Tia: correct. Everybody needs to use something to clean their bottoms when they’ve been to the bathroom. Whether it’s a leaf or newspaper or toilet paper, everybody has to clean their tush.

Russ: okay.

Tia; if you don’t, it leads to unsanitary conditions and so on.

Russ: never really thought about it like that but okay......

Tia: uh-huh. So, you stock up on toilet paper, everybody needs that but how often does somebody think about toilet paper? In all your survival moves....

Russ: like every time I go to the bathroom.

Tia: all your war moves, all your horror movies, have you ever see anybody go to the bathroom?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: but it’s not very often is it?

Russ: no.

Tia: so you have something that everybody needs.

Russ: so, this is stuff for the recovery phase?

Tia: correct, easy, tradeable goods.

Russ: alright now you say the survival phase…

Tia: uh-huh. 

Russ: is not going to be very long.

Tia: well the definition of long depends.

Russ: correct and that’s where I’m getting to.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: how long is long?

Tia: a year.

Russ: see that’s a long time.

Tia: no it’s not.

Russ: well not if you live for a 1,000 years, no.

Tia: I wouldn’t live for a 1,000 years, I will be lucky if I live for 300 years. (Because she is Durondedunn and not Sirian.)

Russ: 300 years but one year out of 300 is not very much. One year when all hell is breaking loose can mean an eternity.

Tia: can seem like it yes.

Russ: sure. So probably the best bet.....

Tia: uh-huh. 

Russ: if I've got this right, is in the survival phase being as unnoticeable as possible….

Tia: yeah, being.......

Russ: well defended, well fed and unnoticed whatsoever.

Tia: well fed yes but not appearing to be well fed.

Russ: correct.

Tia: if you go around looking sleek, well fed and not constantly looking for food, you're going to draw attention to yourself. People are going to say, "what are those guys up to, why do they always look so good, healthy whereas we look like hell on wheels?"

Russ: right, okay.

Tia: so even if you have plenty of food, you still ration yourselves.

Russ: so essentially, you're not worried about....worried about doing anything on supply-side until the recovery phase begins?

Tia: correct.

Russ: so the survival phase is merely survival.

Tia: correct, which works on the primary functions of not drawing attention to yourself, keeping a low profile, teamwork and keeping things in appearance with what is going on.

Russ: blending in.

Tia: blending it. Once the recovery starts, then you can put yourself in a position where you don’t advertise, you don’t tell anybody but somebody says to you, "oh, I really would love to use some paper to go the bathroom with." You could say, "sure, let me have a look around and see if I can help you."

Russ: correct. Okay, anything else on that subject?

Tia: oh well I could say lots on that subject.

Russ: well we’ll save that for next week.

Tia: okay, I suppose you want to talk to the next person?

Russ: well, we might as well share the time tonight. Besides, remember I’ve got a type all this in and insert it into a webpage.

Tia: so you can paint a worse picture as you like, you have to think of everything in worst-case scenario. You can look at everything in a positive or negative light. The experience itself is either positive or negative, there is no middle ground. To recover from the situation, you have to be able to balance things in such a way that you do not appear too prominent but not too lowly because when you’re weak and lowly, you become a target for those that are in better condition.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: in turn, you have to maintain a level where you are not noticeable, where you are in good condition and able to advance but yet again not be noticed. So you see?

Russ: right.

Tia: okay?

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)

Russ: good night.

Tia: who said I was leaving permanently?

Russ: you'll be back, I know.

(Tia says goodbye again in Durondedunn.)



(Omal comes on to wrap up side one.)

Omal: greetings and felicitations, let us get quickly down to business as the last speaker was a little bit longer than we anticipated. Let us be quick and precise and to the point. Let us deal with the matters at hand and dealing with those matters, let us look at the current situation of a Dow at about 7,020, the death of Deng Xiaping, the ill health of Boris Yeltsin and the spiritual development of various groups and individuals.

Russ: okay.

Omal: all these things tie in together. The reason that they tie in together is that they're all related in a way, they all either involve growth or death. The spiritual groups and the stock market are linked together in the fact that they are growing. Boris Yeltsin in the former Soviet Union and Deng Xiaping are all either dying or are dead, waiting for rebirth. This leaves open possible problems and possible remedies and improvements in situations. The current situation in China is a little bit up in the air. How will it affect Hong Kong which is due to be handed over sometime soon I believe?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: how does that relate to the former Soviet Union? That up in the air not too sure? Well at one time the former Soviet Union and China were great allies. They still are to a certain extent, there are still political ties as well as economic ties and ethnic ties. With one up in the air and not quite sure and one holding its breath and waiting, leaves the possibility of unrest for those people within those various nations. Let us take China for example with approximately 11,000,000 people on the move, looking for work or in a depressed system. How are they going to respond to the death of one individual? Are they going to try and force their will upon the Central Committee or are they going to be more concerned with survival? How does survival affect the death of that individual? Well the survival works this way, if they force their will for change upon the new governmental body, they have the power to change their environment and make life better for themselves but seldom does this happen. If the same situation occurred in the former Soviet Union and Boris Yeltsin dies, there will be major political upheaval of the minority forcing their will on the majority. This could be a positive or a negative effect. The fact that already Boris Yeltsin is a weakened individual opens up the possibility that this is already happening and they're just waiting for him to pass away and therefore be able to make their move. They may wait until he is so incapacitated and then make their move but regardless of what happens in those countries, trouble is possibly brewing. Now let us look at the stock market and the growth of the spiritual organizations and groups. This comes from a more wealthier society that is bellowing like a mushroom. As it grows, people have more leisure time to pursue other interests but, if it grows too rapidly as it is, it leaves openings for cracks, discontent, confusion, overbalance and crash which in turns lets these groups of individuals that have had more time for leisure, growth and experimentation no longer have that option. So therefore it becomes dangerous and detrimental for such a large growing community. You see what will happen?

Russ: uh-huh, they'll get persecuted.

Omal: correct, those that have had the time to think and educate and learn, now do not have that time. They are going from hand to mouth or as you stated earlier on, from hand to fist to try for development and growth, craving for what they once had. What they once had was no….


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SIDE TWO

(Omal has already got things started.)

Omal: ……..things become unstable.

Russ: uh-huh. Okay, now with those who are growing and yet do not wish to be persecuted, then they would need to as Tia said, blend in?

Omal: correct.

Russ: and not show the fact that they are growing.

Omal: correct.

Russ: until the recovery period begins.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay and at that point, those people step fourth to be the leaders and teachers of that recovery period.

Omal: if they wish so yes.

Russ: correct.

Omal: but only if they wish so. It is not a duty that they have to stand forward and lead and teach. Sometimes it is better to sit in the shadows and wait and help to push somebody in the correct direction.

Russ: now would they be naturally drawn toward that area though? As…..

Omal: no, not
necessarily.

Russ: people looking for direction?

Omal: not necessarily, no.

Russ: okay.

Omal: it depends on the individuals that are doing the growing, that are doing the spiritual seeking or have the way with all to be able to do what they wish in a way that they wish.

Russ: they would still be acting in a little bit of fear since their compatriots were the first up against the wall kind of deal.

Omal: yes.

John: can I ask you about the situation in Korea?

Omal: certainly.

John: it’s a very, very, very intense situation that has been an ongoing thing obviously you know that.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: I'm curious about the development in North and South Korea and I mean it’s directly related to China and Russia and the United States but then......where is the situation going from here?

Omal: well the situation is easier to describe at a crossroads. It has many possible directions that it could take. The possible direction that would work best is not necessarily the direction that it should go. The way that it looks like it could go is it could collapse within itself. That is not the best possible direction because as it collapses in on itself, people will riot, the military gets involved, there is bloodshed, there is fighting, government may get overthrown, it may not but whatever happens, there is bloodshed. But, the bloodshed is not necessarily a negative thing, the bloodshed could lead to an improvement as there are fewer people to support. So therefore the fewer people that need food, means there is more to go around, there is more to go around, there is an increase in luxury and so on. What also happens when there is an increase in luxury is there is an increase in breeding which returns back to the old pattern and an old cycle and it goes goes through the process all over again. A country that encourages procreation like North Korea causes its own food problems. The food problems in turn means that the country has to look outside and by looking outside, the people that go outside, see other options that are possible and some of them take those possible options. Another possible way that it goes is it continues having difficulty and the development is slow due to the fact that there is a decrease in available substance that is usable in a nourishing capacity. And that happening causes the problem of lack of food, people become less active, less active people are less likely to cause problems for the government, the government in turn increases its influence and so on.

John: now....what? Oh excuse me I’m sorry, I apologize.

Omal: if you look back in time to the former Soviet Union during its five-year plan, it went through a very hard time where people starved to death but yet the outside world saw it as a very prosperous time for that country with great developments. Out of that struggle came a very strong society. The system that it used, the Communist system, obviously did not work for that environment and in doing so led to a breakdown, finally to chaos and to its current situation. As for North Korea, that is a possible option that it will go through a tough time and then recover and become stronger and the system of communism may work for them. It may not, it all depends on what transpires at this point. Your question?

John: okay, my question is about South Korea and they have one of the highest literacy rates in the world.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: I mean it’s one of the most literate countries. Is this going to have any impact on the outcome?

Omal: no, education is wonderful and great. If you can read things, you can learn things but being able to do things is just as equal as to learning. The literacy rate in South Korea is good, it means that the people can grow, learn and understand but it's a two-edged sword. With knowledge comes other responsibilities and with those responsibilities comes other problems. You have a nation that has a high literacy rate and people become scholars and spend a lot of time reading and researching and thinking and creating things and they forget about their everyday needs and their children get involved in development and research and producing luxuries which in turn means that society increases its procreation rate which in turn puts stress on the land which in turn causes more problems. If the literacy rate is controlled and kept in a good order, then it is necessary for individuals to be directed with their knowledge to land management, production of industrial resources, leisure resources and so on. But it is necessary to remember that it is necessary to have food available at all times.

(The phone rings and the cord is pulled out of the phone.)

Omal: thank you.

Russ: my pleasure.

Omal: and with the increase in literacy as I said, comes other responsibilities. Remembering where you came from and with that remembrance, it is necessary to keep the land developing at a ratio that is equal to what is necessary. If you have an increase of 5% in the population, you must also increase your production of food at 5%. With the increase in knowledge comes the same responsibility. Okay, next question.

Russ: going back a step, we mentioned going through the survival phase into the recovery phase. With the…..Karra’s on me that I did not ask a question that I should of which is cooperation…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: between people.

Omal: cooperation is very necessary but again, you have to not let individuals be aware of your full potential for the simple reason that they could innocently give out information that could be very necessary for your survival.

Russ: hmm, well now Karra has been putting an idea in my head last night that I wanted to put toward you and see what you thought of it and that is the beginnings of a center for awareness…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: whereby a group of people would see the beginnings of a learning center….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: not a food center, just a learning center that people of like mind could come together and learn from.

Omal: you have already done that.

Russ: this would be a little bit more of a scale where it would be cooperation as far as teaching and learning that I came here to Tahoe originally for anyway.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now, during the survival and recovery phase, this would attract people who would be living simply and would be more into natural healing, natural learning and psychic skills.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: a
t the main time, learn how to fast and live very simply.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: through such a group, a cooperative effort could be set up so almost like second family whereby your food supply would still be your food supply but your education and being able to work with others would be greatly enhanced. What do you think?

Omal: what do I think? I think that it is something that would work but it is necessary to be patient and to take your time. It is something that would be wise to make those links now and when the time is right, pull the links together to form a whole cohesive unit.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: okay thank you, live long, prosper and I’ll be back.

John: thank you very much Omal.



(Tia gives us a quick respite between speakers.)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)

John: was my question on Korea inappropriate….?

Tia: no no, I think Omal was heading that way anyway when he was dealing with Deng Xiaoping.

John: yeah it was on China and Russia and I thought it was all sort of related.

Tia: uh-huh, yeah that was in the ballpark, yeah that was within the ballpark and yes it was related. Okay, I’m going to put on the next person.



(Karra takes the place of Tia.)

Karra: hello.

Russ: good evening Karra.

Karra: greetings, greetings Johnny, greetings…..

John: hi Karra, how you doing?

Karra: I’m doing fine, or at least I think I’m doing fine.

Russ: you're doing fine darling.

Karra: well as we got to yes, I’m doing fine.

Russ: I’m doing good, you’re doing good.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: mentally anyway.

Karra: yes, mentally.

Russ: all right, so anyway, got this bug in my head now we have to figure out what to do with it. Where would….this would be something that would have to be nonprofit as we discussed.

Karra: uh-huh, yes?

Russ: and able to be encouraged and advertised on a scale that would not be expensive due to the nonprofit......

Karra: uh-huh, yes it’s something that would be useful as a trade skill.

Russ: good point.

Karra: uh-huh but yes, as a trade center, most certainly that it would be beneficial that you could use that as a tool for making contacts and getting together. Let us say you use this abode as the center, even though you will hopefully have lots of food and say, “okay let’s get together and we'll sit down and do some experimentation and learning and teaching, bring some food with you so that we can sit down and have some nourishment whilst we’re doing this.

Russ: right, great idea. And yeah, like Omal said, getting the contacts now….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: will allow it to be expanded later on as the need arose.

Karra: correct and we will be able to tug on those strings as he put it and pull them together at the appropriate time hopefully.

Russ: right.

Karra: but….

Russ: right. You could weed in and out those folks who work and those who didn’t by that point.

Karra: hopefully yes.

Russ: and the food supply would never have to be an issue.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: just because it would be something nobody would know about.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay, I like the idea.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes, it is something worth dwelling on.

Russ: well like I say, like I told Omal, this is why I originally came here to Tahoe.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: this was a bug in my head, that’s what brought me here.

Karra: yes.

Russ: Sedona, which has a center for awareness next to the health food store….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well I’m sure that…..

Karra: I was about to say, that’s not there anymore.

Russ: oh it’s not?

John: no, no it's not in the same location.

Russ: that was a great little center though. They had something where they would have gatherings, teachings, stuff like that. It really was encouraging, a lot of good vibes coming out of there.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and you know, I want to see something similar as we really don’t have anything to work with like that.

Karra: uh-huh. No there isn’t anything really up here but it's developing. Things are starting to happen that are making the spiritual development occur but it’s not happening in such a tight location, it’s happening in South Lake Tahoe, Myers, Carson City, Walker Indian reservation, Pyramid Indian reservation, Reno, Gardnerville and it is spread out over a much wider area over a much more varied terrain that is developing a spiritual awareness over a wider cross-section of people. It is no longer, I believe Tia put it the fringe element, it is now becoming pervasive throughout all levels of society.

Russ: that’s true, we’ve been here seven years, four years in this house…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and we've see the changes happening.

Karra: yes. You have gone from Bethany....

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: being the novice wanting to learn to Bethany the teacher.

Russ: she has a webpage, I didn’t get a chance to see it but have you seen it?

Karra: no I haven’t, Tia has. Tia is relaying information to me.

Russ: oh okay.

Karra: and it’s a development of no longer is it the bare-footed, hippie element but it is now the suit clad, long-haired, biker, mathematician, engineer, microbiologist, astrophysicist person that has pulled everything together into a wide cross-section that can get along and learn together. You still have and as has been described, the lunatic fringe….

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: which is out there. But you have a majority that have the belief and a spiritual understanding and a love for all. And that working in a healing capacity is wonderful when you have a group of people altogether. You have biker and a mathematician and a geologist and a robotisis and a microbiologist and a punk rocker altogether in one room. And you’re all sitting down in total agreement on the development of the mind and how it is developed. They all understand that for the astrophysicist is different from the biker. The punk rocker is different from the microbiologist. They’re all different but yet they're learning that, that their different points of views and their slightly different beliefs all work together to bring together to one item, the understanding and the spiritual awareness and using their abilities to benefit the biker, the astrophysicist, the punk rocker, the microbiologist, the nurse, the doctor, the psychiatrist, the lift operator, altogether as one.

Russ: uh-huh. I just had a thought….

Karra: you sure it was your thought?

Russ: we just had a thought.

Karra: oh we now is it? I had a thought.

Russ: okay, with Sarah having their little healing center going on and their little deal, this would make a nice little addition to that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: to where if they have the space, we could just set it up in a side corner of that.

Karra: well that is part of the framework that we were discussing, the links that would be pulled together at the appropriate time.

Russ: right. They would see the benefit….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: from attracting a more larger gathering for them to work with and use their services.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: we’d see the benefit from having a naturally center for higher learning already available.

Karra: uh-huh. Can you check to see how much tape we have dear?

Russ: sure love, half a tape.

John: now am I correct that you two could communicate this whole conversation without verbalizing it?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: we do communicate this whole conversation.

Karra: this is only a little bit of the conversation.

Russ: this is just going on all the time….we just have to put it on tape so I can put it back on the web.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: right.

Russ: yeah we got half a tape.

Karra: okay yeah, there’s a lot of back play that goes on that spills out into vocalization. Yes?

(Russ laughs.)

Russ: I’m just laughing because it’s funny.

Karra: yes dear, if you insist. Okay, let us stick to the point.

Russ: all right.

Karra: okay, yes but the development is, it is one of those links that is necessary.

Russ: so we’ll go ahead and I’ll start the preliminary looking up on that area.

Karra: okay.

Russ: at the same time, we can always use this as the secondary base to start with in case that doesn’t work out.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and in the first place, we're going to start with a webpage on it anyway.

Karra: okay.

Russ: and just create a webpage for the Tahoe Center for Awareness and then build it into a physical space as it grows.

Karra: okay.

Russ: oh, one more question.

Karra: oh.

Russ: what did you mean by when we we're talking about the photonic energy for healing?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: a using during massive, massive trauma….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: using 5/8th’s worth of photonic energy as a probe instead of as a healing tool?

Karra: well, it’s more like using forceps?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you use it as a probe to look for the root cause, the damaged area. And by probing, you’re using more of a purer energy, a photonic energy that can be used to push away other energy so it can get a better, finer focus on what you’re looking for.

Russ: so you’re intuitively seeing this with the photonic energy.

Karra: correct.

Russ: now with the rest of the injuries that were mentioned…..

Karra: actually, it would be better to describe it as more as a fiber-optic, photonic camera.

Russ: okay, now with things like just a mere cut or as a gouge as you’re talking about, you’re using it as a healing tool to heal.

Karra: correct.

Russ: but in the massive trauma, you're switching it around, you're actually using it as a probe.

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay, so anytime that you’re using regular earth energy…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s the part that's doing the healing.

Karra: correct.

Russ: the photonic energy I’m assuming is different in its workings…

Karra: correct.

Russ: as that it’s actual activity is different.

Karra: oh, one other thing.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: my body hasn’t gone through any changes and it should have however, Alana’s has.

Russ: Alana’s has?

Karra: well her body’s fluctuating like it’s thinking about it. This way she is due for her period in the next couple days and we will know if the wrong person got pregnant.

Russ: from Mark?

Karra: well both of us were involved.

Russ: well…..

Karra: Alana to help break down his barriers…….who knows?

Russ: who knows?

Karra: who knows but we’ll see. I was the one that was to get pregnant, she was just meant to help and have fun and then she got into it a little too much I think.

Russ: well, that’s how it works.

Karra: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: bye love





(Tia transitions to the last speaker of the night.)

Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: cough drop please.

Russ: coming up.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay, it's the wild one on?

Tia: yes, the wild one.



(Kiri comes on to send us on our way.)

Kiri: I’m a wild thing. You’re spilling.

John: sorry.

Kiri: oh that’s all right.

Kiri: okay…….

Russ: I'm going to come over and play with your computer.

Kiri: which one?

Russ: your new one.

Kiri: oh that one? Sure, I’ll just key into one neural brainwave pattern at a time. Besides, this isn’t as sophisticated as my computer.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: this is a
flashlight......

John: that's right, that's how it follows.

Kiri: uh-huh, or a torch. Okay....

John: I believe torch would be more of an English term than American.

Kiri: well that’s the term I’m used to. Okay, anybody got questions for me or am I going to sit here and pontificate on the necessary developments of coercive energy in engineering on a…..

John: what did she say?

Kiri: p
ontificate.

John: I’m not familiar with that word.

Kiri: to be pompous like.

Russ: no.

Kiri: expound.....

Russ: yes.

Kiri: in a pompous way.

Russ: yes.

Kiri: pontificating, that’s basically what I said.

Russ: not really. I mean Mark can be pompous without pontificating.

Kiri: Mark’s pompous quite a bit of the time and normally does it for effect.

(Everyone laughs at the long running joke.)

Kiri: actually that’s something I’ve noticed about Mark is that he does a lot of things for effect.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: now let us look at coercion in the development. Let us take for example somebody that is starting off in a conversation trying to explain something and using coercion as a tool to get the point across. Now it’s important to start off with a nice, soft level voice, no umming, ahhing or pausing or stuttering. If you umm, ahh, stutter and mix words and hesitate......for example, when I’m coercing I speak fluently. Notice as I’m talking that I speak fluently. When I pause, it is a pause just long enough to get the point across and for it to start to sink in. In doing this, you keep the person’s attention just as they start to wander, the pause occurs and they go, “hmm.” They think within themselves and they pay more attention. You can use coercion in a lulling, soothing voice, lulling the person almost to sleep and then, with the voice being used as a lulling, soft tool, you can go, “now we start the development.” As soon as the voice changes its level from a soft, soothing, lulling voice to a precise, calculated, laying down the groundwork for expansion. You now have their total attention, like you are totally within my grasp and control. You’re thinking as I want you to think but you’re learning.

John: I got to say Mark did a really great job of that the other day with me when I was really upset.

Kiri: oh that was sheer brute force, that was sheer brute coercion, that wasn’t finesse or anything. His voice was soft, level but yet there was menace in his voice.

John: yeah that’s true but it worked. I mean it settled me down and….

Kiri: I think it worked extremely well, I was quite impressed. It was like when I was a teenager, that was the power that he was using but not the type of power that we use, he was using just sheer, raw power.

Russ: now then Kiri.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: if this was a class on coercion…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: then as a pupil, I would say to the teacher, "doesn’t ummimg and ahhing at the beginning of the speech and for effect make it so that it's lulling and then when you come off and be very precise, you grab attention?

Kiri: no, no because it does not put the hooks in. By umming and ahhing makes you appear unsure and indecisive. You have start from the get-go being precise…..well Johnny will tell you from his experience with Mark, Mark did not umm, ahh or hesitate.

John: no he sure didn’t. He came right at me......

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and that’s what I needed at the time.

Kiri: yeah.

John: I mean I was out of line, I mean it wasn't his fault.

Kiri: but the fact remains that by hesitating at the start.....if Mark had hesitated and ummed and ahhed, that would given you the advantage because Mark was hesitating, umming and ahhing, even for effect, it would have given you the opportunity to go onto the attack straightaway instead of being put at a halt, a stop and redirecting your energy to thinking, "what is going on here?" By starting with a low soft tone and then gradually escalating up and up as the power level got higher and higher and intense and intense, I mean the temperature in that room went up quite dramatically.

John: yeah, yeah it sure did and I must say that Mark handled himself really well. Really, really well.

Kiri: I mean if we take that as a test case, I would give that a B+ or even a A- as opposed to other times that I’ve seen Russ coerce which I would give a B and some other times I have seen Mark coerce I would give him a C but the incident of six days ago, I'd give that as a teacher either a B+ or an A-. It wasn’t perfect. If he had coerced perfectly, it would’ve taken half the time that it did to calm down the situation and you would’ve been probably either all fired to get up, out there and to tackle it straightaway or you would’ve been so apologetic that you would been groveling on the ground. It depends on the end result that he was heading for. So I would say it was probably an A- as opposed to a B of Russ’ most recent….

John: you know but I mean we both needed some food.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and actually, once we got out there and got into the project, I mean it was a nightmare.

Kiri: oh yeah.

John: it was a nightmare. We were out there for hours hacking in that snow, ice and snow.

Kiri: actually Tia was quite concerned that the fact that he was coming down with something that he shouldn't be out there stressing and straining himself so badly but….

John: I was generally concerned you know what I mean?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I mean.....

Kiri: I side with Mark on that the fact that it made him sick quicker than he was going to be sick made it sooner, so therefore the recovery process could happen sooner and from what I’ve heard Mark talking about at work, he’s going to need to be well next week and if it had occurred later in the week......let us say that he went down sick on Monday right? He would still be quite sick at the moment which means that he would be sick for the upcoming work problems that he has to deal with so….

John: okay yeah, so you’re trying to make something positive out of it.

Kiri: not making anything positive out of it, it was positive without a shadow of a doubt. Tia is still up in the air on that but I feel that by Mark making himself sick sooner, will help himself heal sooner, in fact he is a lot better than he has been.

John: yeah he was out there working with me laying on that ice and he wasn't dressed very well at all. I mean I couldn’t believe he didn’t have a coat on.

Kiri: well I think the coat would’ve been more of a hindrance at that point. What he was wearing was very warm clothing underneath his shirt that he was wearing.

John: yeah, yeah I know that he had his fleece on and he was pretty well-dressed.

Kiri and the fact that he worked up a sweat anyway, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd been in shorts and T-shirt, he was working up a sweat which kept the body temperature high enough to keep things going productively.

John: yeah, yeah and....

Kiri: about five minutes.

John: I mean he did really good job.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I’d say what would be handy for us to do is have a come along for the future.

Kiri: come along?

John: oh yeah.

Russ: a come along is like a chain with some kind a lever system that you can lever a chain link by link…..

Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, like a pulley system, like a pulley system.

Russ: yeah.

John: like a what?

Kiri: pulley system.

John: yes, yes, yeah. I thought you were saying police for some reason.

Russ: a come along should be a lot cheaper than a winch and they do about the same job.

Kiri: I like wenches. Oh winch, not a wench.

(John chuckles.)

Kiri: I can think of a couple of wenches actually. Let me see, I know a good, useful wench.

Russ: she might be in……….


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