(Tia gets the session
Russ: it was an accident.
Tia: yeah, likely story. Okay, come on,
down to business.
Russ: okay, let's go. Okay, my dear, this
evening we are working on with yourself of course
Russ: excuse me, world present. Alright
now, with the advent of various things that have
been going on lately now…..
Russ: I need to find out how that is
affecting our current situation on a more local
Tia: well on a local level, if you take all
the current things going on for example, the death
Tia: the defection of the minister of
agriculture for North Korea, it doesn’t affect on a
local scale anything......
Tia: at the moment, but later on it could,
depends on what transpires from these actions.
Russ: now how about the Dow hitting over
7,000 and climbing?
Tia: but that as I said is part of my
predictions, the higher it goes, the greater the
Russ: uh-huh. So could we see a 10,000 Dow?
Tia: possibly yes.
Russ: uh-hmm, okay.
Tia: but, if it reaches 10,000 right?
Tia: and drops back to 7,000 in a matter of
days or weeks right? What has actually happened?
Russ: well it’s lost a lot.
Tia: no it hasn’t, hasn’t lost anything.
Let’s say you put in to the stock market 10,000 of
your dollars right? At the 7,000 mark......
Russ: okay, correct.
Tia: it jumps 33% to 10,000 right? And then
drops, plummets, loses 2,000, how much money have
Russ: I haven’t lost anything. It's those
people who bought in at 10,000…..
Russ: who are getting soaked.
Russ: but as we're saying, it’s not a point
of dropping 2,000, it’s a point of dropping to
Russ: going from 10,000 to 3,000.
Tia: that’s when the difference occurs,
when it’s a major disaster. For example, the people
that invested at 6,000 right?
Tia: let’s say they invested 10,000 right?
It’s climbed what, 14%?
Tia: 14 to 24% right? They’ve made 14 to
24% profit on their investment. Now let’s say it
drops back down to 6,500 right?
Tia: they haven’t lost anything, they only
lost money on the profit that they’ve made.
Russ: I disagree though, only because with
the money they made from that climb…….
Russ: they're going to reinvest back in the
Tia: which pushes it up higher.
Russ: and, when it drops again, they're
going to lose the money they invested.
Tia: but they haven’t lost anything.
Russ: that’s if it comes back to the point
they started at.
Russ: but see as you’re saying, at the
higher it goes, the longer the drop.
Russ: therefore the drop that we’re looking
at could be extreme.
Tia: yes it could be extreme but there
again it might not be. My personal opinions don’t
enter into this and my mathematical formulas still
stand but the thing to remember is that when the
stock market climbs as high as it does, the money
that you put in at let’s say 6,000 is still going to
be there if it climbs to 10,000 and then drops back
to 6,000. You haven’t lost anything, you've only
lost profit but if it drops lower than the amount
that you put in right? Let’s say it drops down to
5,000, then you have lost some serious money. You’ve
lost your $10,000 investment.
Russ: now, here’s the point I want to get
to next. We’ve always discussed how you would lose
that money okay?
Russ: that is not would cause a major
trouble spots as you’re talking about.
Tia: uh-huh, I’m talking about a massive,
Russ: right, but what would happen next
would be the banks right?
Russ: because the banks, if I have it
straight, they also invest heavily in the
Russ: using people’s funds that they’ve
deposited to invest and make more money which they
in turn allow…..or allowed them to have more money
to lend out.
Russ: okay, now what I see is happening now
if I can get this straight, this will help our
webpage folk out there who are following this….
Russ: is that first place, those people who
have borrowed money from the banks, would be unable
to pay back the money due to the losses they have
Russ: which would go out of business. Those
people who have put money into the bank would see
the banks failing…..
Russ: due to the losses that they’re taking
from the investments they’ve made........
Russ: thereby creating a little…..a
lessening then of the confidence in the banking
facility they go with therefore wanting their money
brought out. The banks themselves only hold about
20% of the funds that are actually deposited in
Tia: correct so far.
Russ: so, would a run on the banks from
people wanting their money out of there would cause
bank closures which would mean….
Tia: incorrect. You ever been to your bank
and read the thing of the FIDE?
Russ: uh-huh. Federal depositor’s insurance
Tia: that is for such an eventuality. That
is so that your investment right?
Tia: let us say your bank spends all your
money that you have in there on investments and then
Tia: the government steps in or the federal
investors step in and reimburse you what the bank
has lost in an insurance way…..
Tia: up to the amount that you have in
(Ed. note: up to $250,000.00)
Russ: but, what we’re talking about is a
massive bank closings on a major scale.
Tia: no, no, no, you just missed something
Tia: what happens if the federal government
has to bail out the banks? Where does the money come
Russ: it gets printed.
Tia: which does what?
Russ: creates inflation.
Tia: which in turn does what?
Russ: Germany 1940……no, 1936.
Tia: wrong, 1926.
Russ: '26. That’s right, the Nazis were
already a party in ‘36.
Russ: right. Okay, so with a lack plus, the
banks would be unable to lend any more money.
Russ: now, not being able to lend money
would create people not being able to invest in
businesses, homes, cars and other things that keep
Russ: because there would be no credit
available. Credit cards.......
Russ: the debt from the credit cards alone
would cripple the economy.
Russ: and with the banks closing, what
would happen to the credit cards issued by the
Tia: they would be worthless pieces of
Russ: nobody would be able to use them
Tia: correct. And your economy being based
on these worthless pieces of plastic would go (blows
a raspberry) Which is spelled P.H.E.E.E.W. (blows
Russ: okay. All right so anyway, people
even with great credit, money in the bank and
Russ: would be broke.
Russ: I mean they have money coming back
but at the inflationary levels that would be
Russ: they'd be essentially as good as
Tia: no, no. You see the thing is that the
rich, how did they get rich?
Russ: they inherited it.
Tia: okay, so people that went out and made
money are quite capable of doing it again. They just
have to learn or remember how they did it. People
that inherited it right? Tend to have a tougher time
because it was handed to them but nine times out of
10, the majority of them are astute enough to be
able to make wise decisions with their money and
make investments. I’m not saying making investments
in stocks and bonds and dividends and shares and so
on, but be able to make wise decisions in opening up
a grocery store on the corner in the ideal location.
It’s those common people that invest in the market
through their banks that have the problem. Let us
say we take the house husband on the corner right?
Tia: that scrimps and saves and deposits
let’s say 2,000 of his dollars in the bank
Tia: or in a bank that invests his money in
the market. That’s the people that will suffer, not
the people that have lots of money, not the people
that are the serious investors that admittedly yes
they will be almost wiped out in a crash. You see
what I’m saying? Those people that have the money
will not be the ones that suffer.
Russ: now what about us folks who have no
money whatsoever into the market?
Russ: our money is basically just hand to
Tia: uh-huh, hand to fist huh? That’s a
Russ: right, but basically it’s not
something we don't save up, we just live on what we
make and buy what we need as we go.
Tia: uh-huh. Now it depends if the places
that you work at are investing or are invested in by
people that will be affected by the market. Take for
example your workplace right? Okay, let us say that the stock market
Tia: and people start to have a tough time
and need to get rid of their communication devices
like the picture imaging device, their musical
devices, they have to sell them to make money.
Tia: what are they going to do for
entertainment? Where are they going to go?
Russ: well, they'll go to the movie
Russ: if they’re running.
Russ: if not, go down to the beach and
watch a lovely sunset.
Tia: uh-huh, which is good for the
Russ: oh yes, absolutely.
Russ: now.....but at the same
time, that’s a very happy kind of positive way of
looking at it.
Tia: yes it is.
Russ: but that’s not actually what would
Russ: what would actually happen, people
would be having #*&!@ fits. Excuse my blank,
blank, blank fits.
Russ: and with that, sunsets at the beach
are the last thing they’re going to be thinking
Tia: no, people still enjoy the finer
things in life. How much does it cost to go and
watch a sunset?
Russ: it’s free.
Tia: how much does it cost to go and watch
a moon rise?
Russ: alright let's take a local example…
Russ: of on a smaller scale.....
Russ: of someone who suddenly loses their
job and doesn’t have any income coming in due to the
fact that the income from the current market that he
is in is dead.
Tia: uh-huh, correct.
Russ: so, in that occurrence, you can see a
small scale version of what the larger scale would
Russ: not a pretty picture.
Tia: isn’t that what we said back before
Russ: oh yes, oh yes. We absolutely.....I
mean you called it on the money and it's on the
Tia: uh-huh, before it happened.
Russ: and it’s that being able to keep your
head in a surrounding where others are
Tia: uh-huh and in this case it looks more
like it is not happening that way.
Russ: correct. Now as this is a small scale
Russ: on a larger scale, that would affect
us on a local basis.
Tia: correct. Let us take for example there
is massive flooding in the Central Valley as happens….
Tia: okay, which takes out the price of
Tia: if you go to your local supermarket, I
watched Mark when he went shopping, I noted the
prices. The prices are up.
Tia: only a couple cents here and there.
Russ: how about the green and red peppers?
Tia: I believe they're up to I think $1.59
a pound as opposed to being something like $1.49 at
about Christmas time. That’s a jump of $.10 per
Tia: now if you look at the prices of
everything jumping up, let’s say anywhere from $.01
to $.10 right?
Tia: let us say that you buy things by the
Tia: you’re spending $.01 to $.10 more than
you were two months ago.
Tia: let us say that you bought five pounds
at Christmas time of bell peppers right? For
Tia: now you’re paying an extra $.50 more
for that five pounds.
Russ: yeah, it’s not horrible if you can
Tia: uh-huh but if you can’t?
Russ: but if you can’t afford it, then you
go through what we're seeing now which is
Russ: stress, headaches…..
Russ: and a basic tearing down of the ego
Tia: correct and you go in this cycle. You
go depression, anxiety, stress, headaches,
depression, anxiety and so on in this nice big
circle going around and around and as it goes around
it spirals up and in and in and in until it reaches
a point where it can't go any further and something
has to happen at that point. Now that point I see is
a long way away but it depends on how fast the
spiraling is going. “Can’t work because too
depressed, don’t want to go out and look for work,
don’t want to go and look for work, where am I going
to get my money from?” Worrying about money
increases stress, “what am I going to do, what am I
going to do?”, headache. Headache, "oh God, I’ve got
a headache, I can’t work, I’m depressed" which goes
back to stress and so on.
Russ: now if you’re starting to see this
increase in numbers….
Russ: which already has started….
Russ: then there are couple options that
will like I foresee happening and I want to get your
opinion on this. People will tend to move out of
Russ: where's there’s jobs. Where there's
no jobs, there’s nowhere to work.
Russ: now the other option is becoming a
burden on the system.
Russ: now in either case, if you go
somewhere else, you might find a job and do well.
Tia: that’s the key phrase there, might.
Russ: correct. The other option is that
your depression from before, will carry over.
Russ: you’re already in a fragile state of
mind, let's see you get a job. Well let's just say
your lack of self-confidence now….
Russ: might be detrimental to your work
Tia: exactly and the spiral starts again.
Russ: right. So at what point do we see
this on the large scale? When the bank start to go
or that Wall Street starts to go?
Tia: when the banks......most
people aren't concerned that much with Wall Street.
Russ: with Wall Street but they don’t see
the tie between the banks and Wall Street either
Tia: correct. Even if Wall Street crashes
Tia: and drops down to 2,000 or 3,000
Tia: they're not going to be too concerned
because the banks are still there until the banks
start to go.
Russ: they'll just turn into burning shells
of buildings at that point.
Tia: basically yes and when they do that,
then the cycle will really get underway. People will
go, “oh my God, I’ve got no money, what do we do?”
Russ: correct. Now in our point, we'll get
that maybe a month after it starts to go down in the
Russ: no not really, I guess it would be
the other way around, same time right?
Tia: it depends, it really does depend on
the environment that you’re in, the
situation that you’re in.
Russ: let's say you’re in an urban, farming
Tia: uh-huh, which is basically what this
Russ: correct or Minden, Gardnerville,
something like that, where
do you see that as being part of it?
Tia: I would say that that would be the
lucky end for the simple reason that from time to time
when you're driving around, you see farmers at the
side of the road selling produce.
Tia: right they’re circumventing the whole
entire chain. They produce food, it goes to a
wholesaler, the wholesaler sells it to the stores,
you go to the stores and buy it. They can sell it
$0.10 to $0.20 cheaper than at the supermarket.
Russ: so if you had a supply…
Russ: of items, not produce so much though
that would be good but other items.
Tia: luxury items.
Russ: luxury items that would suddenly
become in short order or high demand.......
Russ: then you could do the same basic
thing as the farmers are doing...
Russ: circumvent the system.
Russ: because the system's going down.
Russ: now with the stocking of supplies…..
(someone knocks at the door)
Russ: come in.
John: it’s Johnny.
Russ: come in Johnny.
Tia: come on, come in.
John: is it safe?
Tia: yeah, I don’t bite unless you want me
Russ: so basically what might be
Russ: is let’s say the rental of a space……
Russ: have a seat bud......that would be
able to hold enough stock that you could go to....
Russ: to circumvent
Russ: now the trouble is finding the stock
and packing it away.
Tia: it depends on what you’re interested
in. Okay, let us take your most basic setup in a
Tia: okay. If I look around the apartment
up here, I will find towels, bed clothes, normal
clothing, tampons, panty pads, shampoo, soap, toilet
paper, all these things aren’t on your survival list
Tia: not that you guys are going to need
Tampax's or panty pads.
Russ: no true but the thing is, while those
things all would make great commodities, what would
be the most tradable good for the most money or in
this case other tradable goods?
Tia: things that you use that are
Russ: now this I disagree with on one
Russ: yes that’s true but wouldn't
something that people would look to in a panic
situation be more advisable? For example ammunition,
guns, items to defend yourself with?
Tia: to a certain extent yes, but….
Russ: then they think about these other
things as secondary.
Tia: well these other things are more for
the recovery, trade goods.
Russ: well that’s why I’m dealing with this
with you now is on the two different stages we’re
looking at here.
Russ: surviving up until the recovery
Russ: okay now, so what I'm talking about
is goods that you can use to get you through to the
recovery zone and those items which you can use
during the recovery zone.
Russ: okay? Two different steps, two
different kinds of goods.
Tia: yes but the part leading up to the
start of the recovery will not be that long. For
example, you have your crash right? Everybody
Tia: everybody fights amongst themselves,
once that's over right?
Tia: then that starts the recovery. And it
depends on how quickly people can get back on their
feet and take the bull by the horns and push ahead
with doing things. The economy's collapsed right?
Tia: people are looking for food and
anything to survive right? You don’t use your food
supply as trade goods because that draws attention
Tia: what you do use is things
like.......what one thing does everybody on your
Tia: no, that would involve using your food
Tia: but you’re close.
Russ: you mean go to the bathroom?
Tia: correct. Everybody needs to use
something to clean their bottoms when they’ve been
to the bathroom. Whether it’s a leaf or newspaper or
toilet paper, everybody has to clean their tush.
Tia; if you don’t, it leads to unsanitary
conditions and so on.
Russ: never really thought about it like
that but okay......
Tia: uh-huh. So, you stock up on toilet
paper, everybody needs that but how often does
somebody think about toilet paper? In all your
Russ: like every time I go to the bathroom.
Tia: all your war moves, all your horror
movies, have you ever see anybody go to the
Tia: but it’s not very often is it?
Tia: so you have something that everybody
Russ: so, this is stuff for the recovery
Tia: correct, easy, tradeable goods.
Russ: alright now you say the survival
Russ: is not going to be very long.
Tia: well the definition of long depends.
Russ: correct and that’s where I’m getting
Russ: how long
Tia: a year.
Russ: see that’s a long time.
Tia: no it’s not.
Russ: well not if you live for a 1,000
Tia: I wouldn’t live for a 1,000 years, I
will be lucky if I live for 300 years.
(because she is Durondedunn and not Sirian)
Russ: 300 years but one year out of 300 is
not very much. One year when all hell is breaking
loose can mean an eternity.
Tia: can seem like it yes.
Russ: sure. So probably the best bet.....
Russ: if I've got this right, is in the
survival phase being as unnoticeable as possible….
Tia: yeah, being.......
Russ: well defended, well fed and unnoticed
Tia: well fed yes but not appearing to be
Tia: if you go around looking sleek, well
fed and not constantly looking for food, you're
going to draw attention to yourself. People are
going to say, "what are those guys up to, why do
they always look so good, healthy whereas we look
like hell on wheels?"
Russ: right, okay.
Tia: so even if you have plenty of food,
you still ration yourselves.
Russ: so essentially, you're not worried
about....worried about doing anything on supply-side
until the recovery phase begins?
Russ: so the survival phase is merely
Tia: correct, which works on the primary
functions of not drawing attention to yourself,
keeping a low profile, teamwork and keeping things
in appearance with what is going on.
Russ: blending in.
Tia: blending it. Once the recovery starts,
then you can put yourself in a position where you
don’t advertise, you don’t tell anybody but somebody
says to you, "oh, I really would love to use some
paper to go the bathroom with." You could say,
"sure, let me have a look around and see if I can
Russ: correct. Okay, anything else on that
Tia: oh well I could say lots on that
Russ: well we’ll save it for next week.
Tia: okay, I suppose you want to talk to
the next person?
Russ: well, we might as well share the time
tonight. Besides, remember I’ve got to
type all this in and insert it into a webpage.
Tia: so, you can paint a worse picture as
you like, you have to think of everything in
worst-case scenario. You can look at everything in a
positive or negative light. The experience itself is
either positive or negative, there is no middle
ground. To recover from the situation, you have to
be able to balance things in such a way that you do
not appear too prominent but not too lowly because
when you’re weak and lowly you become a target for
those that are in better condition.
Tia: in turn, you have to maintain a level
where you are not noticeable, where you are in good
condition and able to advance but yet again not be
noticed. So you see?
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
Russ: good night.
Tia: who said I was leaving permanently?
Russ: you'll be back, I know.
(Tia says goodbye again in
(Omal comes on to wrap up side
Omal: greetings and felicitations, let us
get quickly down to business as the last speaker was a
little bit longer than we anticipated. Let us be quick
and precise and to the point. Let us deal with the
matters at hand and dealing with those matters, let us
look at the current situation of a Dow at about 7,020,
the death of Deng Xiaping, the ill health of Boris
Yeltsin and the spiritual development of various
groups and individuals.
Omal: all these things tie in together. The
reason that they tie in together is that they're all
related in a way, they all either involve growth or
death. The spiritual groups and the stock market are
linked together in the fact that they are growing.
Boris Yeltsin in the former Soviet Union and Deng
Xiaping are all either dying or are dead, waiting
for rebirth. This leaves open possible problems and
possible remedies and improvements in situations.
The current situation in China is a little bit up in
the air. How will it affect Hong Kong which is due
to be handed over sometime soon I believe?
Omal: how does that relate to the former
Soviet Union? That up in the air not too sure? Well
at one time the former Soviet Union and China were
great allies. They still are to a certain extent,
there are still political ties as well as economic
ties and ethnic ties. With one up in the air and not
quite sure and one holding its breath and waiting,
leaves the possibility of unrest for those people
within those various nations. Let us take China for
example with approximately 11,000,000 people on the
move, looking for work or in a depressed system. How
are they going to respond to the death of one
individual? Are they going to try and force their
will upon the Central Committee or are they going to
be more concerned with survival? How does survival
affect the death of that individual? Well the
survival works this way, if they force their will
for change upon the new governmental body, they have
the power to change their environment and make life
better for themselves but seldom does this happen.
If the same situation occurred in the former Soviet
Union and Boris Yeltsin dies, there will be major
political upheaval of the minority forcing their
will on the majority. This could be a positive or a
negative effect. The fact that already Boris Yeltsin
is a weakened individual opens up the possibility
that this is already happening and they're just
waiting for him to pass away and therefore be able
to make their move. They may wait until he is so
incapacitated and then make their move but
regardless of what happens in those countries,
trouble is possibly brewing. Now let us look at the
stock market and the growth of the spiritual
organizations and groups. This comes from a more
wealthier society that is bellowing like a mushroom.
As it grows, people have more leisure time to pursue
other interests but, if it grows too rapidly as it
is, it leaves openings for cracks, discontent,
confusion, overbalance and crash which in turn lets
these groups of individuals that have had more time
for leisure, growth and experimentation, no longer
have that option so therefore it becomes dangerous
and detrimental for such a large growing community.
You see what will happen?
Russ: uh-huh, they'll get persecuted.
Omal: correct, those that have had the time
to think and educate and learn, now do not have that
time. They are going from hand to mouth or as you
stated earlier on, from hand to fist to try for
development and growth, craving for what they once
had. What they once had was no….
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