Archivist Notes: There is one thing that
distinguishes the Hades Base News from other sites
with channelings from Ashtar Command, the lack of
long, flowery dialogue from just a single speaker.
Instead, multiple speakers cover a variety of topics
in language familiar to anyone hearing it. That fact
is brought home by Karra on side one of June's
channeling session as she explains how every
channeling session they hold with groups down here
is tailored for the needs of each particular group.
We try to be far more interactive to bring out a
wide selection of topics to cover with the members
of Ashtar Command who would have already had a
briefing on what to discuss before commencing with
the channeling. Before that also on side one, Omal
covers world events and politics being as Tia is on
a forced sabbatical from work. As seems to always be
the case, news of the day meets channeling of the
nineties. Karra finishes up the side discussing the
UFO conspiracy being forced on the world when
suddenly we see an openness to the subject in the
headlines we could not foresee back then. Naturally,
it has to be this randomly selected tape being
posted on the month the United States Congress gets
a report on what the military knows about the craft
we discuss quite often in the archives. Then, it is
on side two that she reminds us that everyone needs
someone else and that the opposite can lead to
severe problems should the person turn inward,
totally shutting out the society around them. Kiri
takes over the subject from her sister and
approaches it from a coercive point of view. After
Kiri finishes that, Tia gets herself into trouble
almost at once by talking about work when she had
been not to do so for her own health. That gets her
a much-needed suspension and us a look at a secret
report about President Clinton that thirty years
later is old news. Much more comes following this
short summary but the relevance of UFO's getting
hearings and a recent president compared to what was
being discussed about a former president makes these
channeling sessions more like monthly newscasts as
confirmed by Karra during her time in this
Tia's prohibition on
speaking about her work leaves little to discuss at
first so she trades places with Omal and the night
gets off to a start. When Omal comes on he takes us
on a trip down a political memory lane as he
discusses the Monica Lewinsky affair and how many
investigations the Clinton administration was going
through at the time. One can't help to compare the
last four years of falsehoods and be amazed at how
far we've come since "I did not tell a lie" and "I
did not have sex with that woman." We move on to
world events where we see something emerging that
was still a bit new, capitalist Russia. It was
fifteen months before Vladimir Putin would become
president and Omal still saw hope for the future. It
is at that point we compare their best-case scenario
to the situation in the U.S. and how neither had
much hope of those scenarios happening. We end there
to let Tia transition between speakers but the
change came at a bad time when Karra was in the
middle of a conversation. Luckily, it became a good
time to learn more about astral travel from Tia she
was forced to stretch for time. She shares a few
ideas on how not to fall asleep while trying to get
out of body as well as a few laughs at how we in our
efforts can make the easy hard. Karra is ready to
channel then so Tia switches places once more to let
her speak. After going through her upcoming
ambassadorial duties, she explains the reason our
site and channeling sessions stand out from the
other websites that feature the channelings of
Ashtar Command, we want the truth without
embellishment. She mentions Ashtar-Athena who can
express her truth in beautiful, flowery phasing
commonly found as can most who channel for the
Command. The archives and the Center For Ascension
are repositories of the straight truth presented in
a news-like fashion through a number of speakers she
explains and how for them it is a much easier way to
conduct a channeling session. We get to the end of
the side discussing a timely topic, the government
coverup of the UFO phenomenon. As Congress is soon
to hear evidence on the matter this month, naturally
it happens to be a topic. The world is on the cusp
of something and this channeling session could not
have come at a better time.
Karra changes tack on side
two as she covers raising children with a warning
about letting them become individuals but not so
much that they turn in on themselves. It leads to an
alienation from others due to a desire to be alone.
Kiri would go into much more detail when she
followed on after her sister. She gives us an
example of how neighbors improve each other by each
doing the best they can and helping their neighbors
when that help is needed. She finishes up with a
mental chat with me over some thoughts I had on my
mind That brings on Kiri to expand on just how far
someone can turn inwards. Perhaps you've seen some
person on the street having a conversation with
someone no one else can see. Kiri lays out the
stages that go into making that happen. Pushing
people away leads into a coercive loop where
everyone else is to blame for the state of their
lives. We learn this is the last stage before
everything becomes irreversible. She then has to
clear up some confusion over the possibility that
talking to oneself is anything but a natural habit
for anyone. She expresses the opinion that people
should be happy with themselves before practicing a
bit of her coercion to improve the outlooks of those
down here in the room asking the questions. Group
coercion is one of her specialties but she informs
as she ends her time channeling that it was all
Mark's coercive skill she was using. She reminds us
of the coercive powerhouse he had been when we were
both brothers at odds in Atlantis. That leaves Tia
to get us to the end of the side in the remaining
ten minutes so she checks with the technician Teene
who is monitoring the channeling session how much
energy Mark was generating. It turned out to be just
short of going into the yellow zone and wasn't more
than we could handle. When Ashtar would channel we
find out they have to switch off that monitor as it
would be off the scale. In fact, Tia reminds us of a
past session when I was learning to shield along
with a friend of ours and was humbled by Ashtar's
ability to control our motivations when he was
testing our shields. What self-confidence we had in
them was quickly wiped away as we found ourselves
actually suffering from over-confidence. She recalls
the times she had to present verbal reports for
Ashtar before realizing she had broken Omal's
restriction for bringing up work while talking to
us. She gets the rest of the week off and we get to
hear about a report on President Clinton at the time
and how he would have continued with illicit affairs
had not the scandal with Monica Lewinski bring to
light his dallying ways. There are actual national
security concerns she brings up and provides
examples that luckily never became a reality. We are
pleased with the sound and content and feel it is
another worthy addition to our higher dimensional
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra
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(Tia is this night's ring mistress)
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, greetings everybody on this night
Russ: very close. Hey, what was last week's session
on anyway, do you remember?
Tia: what was it on? Hmmm....
Russ: you didn't talk much.
Tia: no I didn't, I wasn't paying much attention.
Let me see, what was it on? I haven't even seen the
Russ: I can just put Tia can't talk.
Tia: but I could talk and I do talk. Okay, anybody
want to know anything?
Russ: I've got a request from someone who needs to
get the, each of the scenarios, the detailed thing
we did about the scenarios that one time?
Tia: oh yeah, sure.
Russ: do you have like somewhere in the logs or
something that shows which date that was on so I can
track down the tape?
Tia: okay, that would be last year, no, year before
and it would be about September time. I believe
Johnny was here.
Russ: yeah, you're right.
Tia: so it would be about September time.
Russ: about September of last year, two years ago?
Russ: two years ago September.
Tia: uh-huh, yep, that's about right.
Russ: all right.
Tia: any more questions?
Russ: just in general for the web, what's going on?
Tia: well, what do you need to know?
Russ: well let's see, we didn't get you last week,
so I thought we might get a nice recap of world
events since the last time we talked about world
Tia: I can't, I'm still on vacation.
Russ: you're still on vacation?
Russ: oh that's right, a week and a half, aren't
Russ: oh nevermind. Yeah, bring on the next person
(Omal is our first main speaker)
Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings
Russ: greetings Omal.
Skip: good evening Omal.
Omal: okay, let us get down to business and first of
all cover miscreant behavior. Those who shall remain
nameless were told to stay away from their location
of work and disobeyed. I do not know if it is a
punishment or enjoyment. Okay, now down to more
serious matters. Okay, as our political analyst is
unable to do her job at the moment, I will cover
some key matters. First of all, let us look at the
Lewinsky affair. Can anybody tell me how much has
been spent on this matter? Just this investigation
of Monica Lewinsky and the president of your
Russ: I'd say below ten million.
Omal: any other estimates?
Linda: I didn't really think about it, is it
important? Because I know they're making a lot of
money on it too.
Omal: they're not making any money on it.
Linda: somebody must be getting paid for it.
Omal: oh, they are getting paid for it.....
Omal: but whether or not you say it is making money
is a point of view. Just over four million dollars.
Not the mentioned forty million which has been
banded around, that is the whole entire
investigation of the president.
Russ: I was right.
Omal: you were kind of right. Okay, now let us get
back to the investigation of the president in this
current investigation of the Monica Lewinsky affair.
Having read the report from top to bottom, inside,
outside, and the rebuttals, it is my considered
opinion that there are serious legal ramifications
that have been broken. Serious legal matters that
have been compromised. I will not go into these in
detail due to the fact that it is your planetary
affair. It is something that your planet has to deal
with. But, the preoccupation with this matter and
the fact that the populace is so heavily involved in
this matter and how the world sees your country
because of these matters is something that is of
interest. In my research that I have been supplied
with, this is the first time that a president has
outright lied to the public. The last president that
was threatened with impeachment, lied, but not
totally. He omitted certain key facts and was very
careful not to lie or appear to lie. The nearest
that he came was actually stating that he was
unaware at the time of the break-ins, which is
correct. He was aware after the fact, which is where
the problem came. So, a bending of the truth got a
president threatened with impeachment and he was
forced to resign. What of an outright lie?
Linda: a lot of people don't think that. They're
kind of like moving to the side where people just
want to get on with it and they don't really think
it's grounds for impeachment, but I certainly do
think it's grounds for impeachment.
Omal: why do you think it is grounds for
Linda: well, for the immoral acts for one thing, and
then the fact that he lied and just the way that the
public makes such a big deal about it, I just don't
think we can let our president get away with that
just for the hope of the presidents of the future.
Just so they know that they cannot get away with
such a thing.
Omal: that is correct, to a point.
Omal: okay, yes he should be impeached.......
Omal: no, he should not be impeached. The reason why
I give both yes and no is the fact that if he is
impeached, and the process goes ahead, and before
January the 14th he is impeached, then the vice
president will serve out the rest of his term, or
the current president's term, plus two more terms
are possible. If he is impeached after January, then
the new president will serve the remaining two years
plus the possibility of a grand total of eight more
years which gives a total of ten. So, in this
problem is something that needs to be addressed. If
the president is impeached and the government can
now act and proceed with its normal function,
whoever is in power will not look as good.
Linda: Al Gore for instance?
Omal: for instance, yes. Okay, let us continue.
Moving away from the investigation to another
investigation, campaign-finance irregularities. It
is becoming more evident that illegal contributions
were given with full knowledge to a political
campaign for the reelection of the president and the
vice president. Both parties were aware of these.
One individual made telephone calls from an illegal
spot to drum up more money. That is another
investigation that is going on. In the history of
your presidency, there has never been a president
that has been so investigated. So minutely
investigated and yet more irregularities in his
presidency are becoming clearer every day. Now let
us move away from the political woes of your country
to something much more important, the financial and
economic goings-on on a worldwide level. As been
covered many times in the past, Russia is a model to
go from. It is an emerging capitalistic system. For
how much longer? We do not know. What is going to
happen in Russia? Well, at present, there is a new
president that is being put into office by Boris
Yeltsin. He has been agreed upon by the Communist
majority in the lower house in Russia. But the
problem with this gentleman is that he has very
little understanding of economics. He has to elect a
new finance minister that has clear knowledge of
what is going on. However, there will be tampering
by the current person of Boris Yeltsin. He will
tamper with what is going on. Again, miraculously,
he has survived yet another threat to his power.
With winter coming, and prices increasing, there is
a lot of problems. Okay, that is all I am going to
cover at this time on the political, economic woes
of the world. Let us start answering questions.
Russ: okay, one of the things that I've noticed is
that many of the countries who have similar problems
to Russia and the United States are attempting to
fix them in all the wrong ways. For example Japan,
where they should be tough on their failing banks
and savings institutions are not. They're trying to
save them by merging them with other strong
financial ones in the hopes that both will recover
instead of shutting one down.
Russ: will that make a big difference in their own
Omal: there are two distinct possible outcomes that
can come from this. One is that the strong bank will
be made weaker but will survive and therefore prop
up and help the failing bank or the failing bank
will drag down the healthy bank and economic
depression, which is very, very possible, may occur.
In fact I would say from the reports that Japan is
in a recession. How that works is a domino effect,
Russ: so like one of the keys to look for right now
is how does Japan weather this crisis?
Omal: correct, it is something that bears watching.
I believe Tia is fond of saying, get your
information sources from many different places?
Omal: she is quite correct. Just one gives you a
narrow focus, from one country gives you an even
narrower focus on that country's bias.
Russ: yeah, I'm doing a lot of research on the web
about it right now. I'm finding from a lot of
different sources on the web different situations
Omal: the key is to look for certain threads that
run throughout them, certain similarities in the
reports. Those are more than likely facts, or facts
that wish to be released by the governments of those
Russ: hmm okay. Now, twenty years from now, or let's
make it fifty years from now.....
Russ: when the world looks back on this time period
and everything is done and it's all cleared up, are
they going to be able to take a look at what's
taking place to this point let's say right tonight,
and say, "well yeah, it's pretty clear where all
this happened and what could've been stopped and
done so, but never was?"
Omal: uh-huh. Yes, there is that possibility and
more than likely they will do so. However, whether
or not they learn and when the situations that are
similar arise again, they act is something that is
open to debate. After all, in 1929 there was a stock
market crash, did they learn from that? Did they
learn from the depression that followed? Did they
learn enough not to make those mistakes?
Russ: hmm. So this is just a case where we're
wearing blinders? I mean not we, but the financial
institutions let's say are wearing blinders in the
hopes everything makes a big turnaround.
Omal: your words, not mine.
Russ: uh-huh, okay. Skip?
Skip: I just listen.
Russ: okay. Now Russia with its new president, the
president himself is not a man of mystery at all.
This is a man who has a lot of things as far as
agendas that have already been laid out and one of
the reasons the lower house of the Duma agreed upon
the communist new way is because of the fact that he
has no surprises up his sleeve.
Omal: correct, he is easy to control, easy to
manipulate. He is also very clever at compromising
Russ: right. So it looks like how I'm reading this
is that he is a pawn but thinks that he is a power
Omal: he is a power player.
Russ: oh, he is?
Omal: he is but he is also a pawn.
Omal: he has the option to stand up and be strong.
He also has the option of doing as his masters tell
him to or, those that have the majority, tell him to
Russ: hmm, okay. So in the event that there is a
communist resurgence and the people are basically
fed up with the reform process that's taking place,
is a scenario we're looking at here maybe emerging
above capitalism and communism or is it just one
cannot work with the other?
Omal: actually, that is an interesting concept that
we have looked at. Yes, it can work together.
Whether or not it is done that way remains to be
seen. Having governmental control over major
industries is useful, but allowing free enterprise
to reign is also useful. Blending the two together
may work extremely well. However, it must be
remembered that human nature can play a very big
part in it.
Skip: they won't allow it.
Omal: that's very correct Skip.
Skip: they won't allow it.
Omal: I don't know, I cannot say.
Skip: uh-uh, because it will knock too many people
out of power positions.
Russ: hmm, interesting, okay.
Skip: no, the people in power won't allow it. It
would take too much power away from them, free
Omal: what makes you say that?
Skip: because free enterprise is got to be done
underneath the sheets more or less to have power
where communism doesn't.
Omal: elaborate please.
Skip: well the way I see it, communists, they say
what's going to be done. In other words, they've got
the power to do it. If they have to re-gear their
thinking and to maintain a power image or a power
control by going underneath the free enterprise like
it's done in this country....
Skip: the two won't match, they won't blend
together. There is no way that they can do it that
Omal: you are correct with the way that the setup
Omal: but I believe it's called nationalizing
certain key industries, which was done in the United
Kingdom, Canada, Australia at the end of the Second
World War. It enabled these industries to modernize,
concentrate and be controlled by the government,
which in essence is a communist set up, but yet with
the private sector being able to buy at a cheaper
price from these suppliers, it aided and stimulated
the economy. In a power structure, the way that it
works in the United Kingdom, was that it gave key
positions in the government. He who controlled the
mining controlled the electrical power. He who
controlled the steel industry controlled the
shipyards, the manufacturing of steel for
construction and a few other things.
Russ: hmm. Now what about the banking situations?
Aren't those institutions that if they're
nationalized would actually be a detriment to the
recovery of Russia?
Omal: no, because it would be controlled from a
central point and the policies that should be
enacted would hopefully shepherd it into a pathway
that would be better for all concerned.
Russ: hmm. So you're looking at major industrial
corporations, banks, and other financial
institutions being nationalized but regular
retailers and stuff still being on a free enterprise
Omal: that would be the appropriate way to do it.
Russ: hmm, that's interesting. I don't think
anyone's ever tried that before.
Skip: well that's why I say, they've never tried it
before, I don't they'll let it work.
Omal: I think Skip is correct. If it was left to
operate on its own with certain plans laid out,
which I will not go into for the obvious reason....
Omal: it would work.......
Skip: yes it would.
Omal: and extremely well and effective.
Skip: not with the people that they've got in power
Skip: that's where you're running into the tight,
people that's in the power now.
Omal: yes. It would have to be set up in such a way
that there would be no flexibility. It would have to
be very rigid.
Omal: if for example the banks are nationalized and
the lending rate is 7%, it cannot go up or down. It
must stay the same and constant.
Russ: that wouldn't happen.
Skip: yeah, to give it some stability. Because if
you allow it to go up and down, you have no
Omal: so you see the problem.
Skip: and the people in power ain't going to do
Omal: whether it is twenty or thirty years that you
give a loan for at 7% or sixty or seventy years at
7%, it has to stay the same.
Skip: you can't have any flexibility.
Omal: none at all.
Skip: Omal's right.
Omal: but, the benefits are tremendous.
Skip: it would be fantastic if they would allow it.
Omal: correct. But, they may keep it non-flexible
for ten years and at the end of ten years, they
relax. That is a wrong move.
Russ: well it's a question of the fact that the
banks keep it at 7%, but the Ruble devalues itself
or inflation go skyrocketing.
Russ: all of a sudden your 7% isn't worth anything,
and they are forced to raise it ten or 15% to make
up the monies that they're loaning out.
Omal: but they mustn't for the simple reason that if
you're loaning out at a constant rate, it does not
fluctuate and the Ruble does fluctuate, then they
have a moment where they are not able to loan as
much but yet they still have that steady income
coming in. The people are not put in an awkward
Russ: hmm, I see. Okay, well this definitely bears
watching and if you're correct in these assumptions
that Russia is a model, then basically what we're
looking at there.......
Skip: is our own future.
Skip: is our own future.
Omal: and an avoidable future.
Russ: what about our interest rates, they fluctuate?
Omal: you are a much more robust economy. You
produce more on a worldwide scale. You are more
Skip: and we're more educated in that fluctuation
than Russia is.
Skip: we don't have the power figures controlling,
nationalizing industry and stuff like that the way
that they have over there.
Omal: but there it is needed.
Skip: it's needed there and we don't need it here.
Skip: we've got enough mafia, we don't need the rest
Omal: no, and unfortunately Skip is quite correct,
there are mafia-type environments created by that.
So it has to be set up with individuals that are
Skip: that's it exactly.
Omal: do you know anybody that is uncorruptible?
Skip: no, everybody's got a price.
Skip: and it's sad to say that everybody does have a
Skip: and even in our country it's the same thing.
Omal: okay, next question.
Russ: no, I'm...
Skip: no, I'm talked out Omal.
Omal: okay, thank you.
Skip: goodnight Omal
(Tia has got some time to chat
before the next speaker)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Skip: hi baby.
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, okay, questions.
Russ: well, if we ask what we want to ask, you'll be
off for another week and a half.
Tia: I'll be off for the rest of the week, but
Skip: you'll be back next week?
Tia: I can't say anything.
(Skip breaks out in laughter)
Skip: they got you tongue-tied, darling.
Russ: that's what I mean, I mean.....
Tia: well, I can talk about astral travel and things
that are totally unrelated to work.
Skip: totally unrelated to work.
Russ: so is it a punishment or reward?
Tia: a little bit of both. Being a nosy Parker that
I am, I like to know what's going on, so that's
Tia: but having the opportunity to spend time around
the apartment and go to the park and go to the
gardens and go to the corner bar, go down to Lake
Dolphin, go climbing in the hills, it's all fun.
Russ: hmm, well that's good.
Linda: everything but the bar sounds like fun.
Tia: oh, the bar's fun.
Russ: it is.
Russ: all right, well nothing on anything else. I'll
think of something astral travel though for the next
time you come in.
(Tia says goodbye in
Tia: hmm, okay, let's continue for a moment. Karra's
Tia: she's talking.
Russ: fair enough. Well I've got enough to cover on
astral travel now anyway.
Russ: all right, on astral travel, when prepping up
to go out.....
Russ: the toughest part is being able to cut out any
Russ: now we've talked about how you can go into
further shields of unawareness........
Russ: and each one is like a succeeding blanket.
Russ: but at some point, you fall asleep.
Tia: no, I've never done that.
Skip: yes, I don't mean to disagree with you, but
that's happened to me.
Tia: okay, and how not to fall asleep, huh?
Skip: I guess so. Yeah, that would be a good shot.
Tia: how about listening to your own heartbeat?
Russ: I can't hear my own heartbeat, I've tried many
Tia: well can you feel it?
Russ: no, except for my hand on my pulse.
Tia: you can't feel your own heartbeat?
Skip: I can.
Linda: totally unaware of it.
Skip: I can but it's a vein on the inside of my lip.
Russ: oh really?
Linda: you can hear Mark's heartbeat right now?
Tia: uh-huh, I can hear all of your heartbeats, but
I have acute hearing. If you ask Mark, ask him if he
can hear his own heartbeat.
Russ: okay. So if you can't hear your heartbeat
let's say, what's another idea?
Tia: focus on an event in your day, just one event.
Freeze it and look at the picture, concentrate on
Russ: hmm, wouldn't that get you started on a chain
of thoughts on that.....?
Tia: no, no, no, no, you tell your chain of
thoughts, put them on hold. Think of that one
picture, it's so simple. Listen to yourself breathe.
You can hear yourselves breathe, right?
Russ: oh yeah.
Russ: that puts me to sleep too.
(Skip starts laughing)
(Tia sighs in disgust)
Skip: I can see the disgust going on in that young
Tia: it's not disgust, it's disbelief.
Russ: I'm not trying to be hard, darling.
Tia: yes, you are.
Russ: I'm just stating facts how they come about
when I'm working on this stuff.
(Tia expresses her thoughts in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay, all right.
(Tia starts talking to someone in the channeling
Tia: hmm? Oh.
(Karra is a the final speaker
on this side of the tape)
Skip: because I'd like to acquire that gift again. I
used to do it but I thought there was something
wrong with me.
Russ: hi sweetheart.
Karra: hey. Okay, now let me see, ambassadorial
duties as I can work.
Russ: that's true and you do have some ambassadorial
stuff coming up.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, next week, we have a visitation
from Monka, Ashtar-Athena, and Daniel.
Karra: uh-huh. They will go on immediately first. We
will skip over the formalities of introductions and
we will proceed directly to their dissertations and
with Monka answering questions and Daniel answering
questions. Ashtar-Athena, it is still in discussion
whether or not she will answer questions. Because of
their busy schedule, we will have to be as quick as
we can and start at 9:30 on the dot your time, not
our time, your time.
Karra: that is important. Preferably earlier, no
later. Punctuality, very, very important for this
meeting. Okay, afterwards you don't have to worry
about the luncheon afterwards or after dinner
afterwards unless you want to come up?
Karra: it would be nice.
Russ: I shall do my best.
Russ: just remind me then.
Karra: okay, let's just answer questions.
Russ: okay. Seems to be that one of things I'm
getting questioned on in my webpage on people asking
stuff is about the future and how the fact that
Ashtar and Sananda in their channelings talk about
Russ: and how it's progressing and getting ready to
go on and everything.
Russ: and how we don't ever talk about ascension, we
merely talk about the transition.
Russ: two of the same things, correct?
Karra: correct, just different wording.
Russ: okay. And I had to mention that we will have
to go through some hard times before we go to the
point because we have to get mentally and
psychically aware for that event.
Karra: that's correct. I think Ashtar-Athena is the
person that is much better at wording things in a
way that everybody expects. You see, with each group
that Ashtar Command channels to, they tailor it for
the audience. It is the same thing but said in
different formats and different ways.
Karra: so it is important for people to understand
that for your group you are aware and you're
intelligent enough to understand the difference
between the next level and ascension.
Karra: it's the same thing.
Russ: ahh. Well, it seems to me that we seem to get
the harder edge of the story. I mean, you don't get
all the flowery phrases and things like that. It's
more like a newscast almost sometimes.
Karra: yes, it is almost like a newscast sometimes,
hence the reason for the webpage.
Karra: it's the Hades Base News.
Karra: it is a newscast. It's not being flowery and
long-winded, I can do that very well. I don't think
Tia could do it and I definitely know my little
sister cannot do it.
Russ: no, she.....
Karra: we know Omal can do it, we know Korton can do
it, we know everybody else can do it, even Daniel
does it, but it's not what you guys want.
Karra: it's not what you guys expect. You want the
truth. You want it as it is in easy, digestible,
understandable patterns. Not in such a way that you
have to read it carefully and see that there is a
lot said, but in actual fact very little said.
Russ: right. It's boring as all heck.
Karra: oh, yes.
Russ: puts you to sleep.
Karra: and it's boring for us too. But if the
audience expects it, then that's what we give them.
Russ: that's true.
Skip: be careful what you wish for.
Karra: you just may get it.
Skip: darling, I got a question, please.
Skip: isn't this ascension or transition already in
Karra: yeah, you can't go back.
Skip: that's what I......
Karra: why go back?
Skip: the reason why I considered this is because
it's more and more people are becoming aware of
other than just themselves.
Skip: it's not a self-centered population anymore.
Karra: no it's not. It is more aware, but
unfortunately there is a large majority that is very
self-centered, very ignorant and does not know
what's going on. And they don't want to know what's
going on. The opportunities are offered, but they
Skip: well there's also some governments that want
to keep us that way too.
Karra: oh yes, most certainly. And unfortunately,
the ignorance and lack of understanding, and in some
cases lack of foresight, lack of planning is a real
hindrance, but those people do not want to change.
They don't know how to change and they don't want to
learn how to change.
Skip: I run across a situation the other day that
the governments don't want to acknowledge the
unidentified flying saucers for the simple reason
that people would stop becoming citizens of that
country. They would become earth people.
Karra: and also the fact that the biggest lie would
be exposed. Would you believe a government after it
was exposed to lie on a big, big scale?
Skip: they've been lying for years.
Karra: oh, you know what I mean.
Skip: they won't admit it.
Karra: no, they won't admit it.
Skip: that's the problem.
Karra: well that's actually not lying, they're not
saying one way or the other.
Skip: in other words, we'll ignore it and it will go
Karra: unfortunately, it doesn't in this case.
Skip: I know. But I think that's their biggest
Skip: that they don't want to lose their citizens to
Karra: you're quite correct there.
Linda: is there a problem with becoming an
Skip: yes, ma'am.
Skip: because you're not honoring the country that
you live in....
Skip: you're not.....
Linda: what about honoring the land?
Skip: honey, this is what we're talking about. You
become an earthling, you don't become a United
States citizen or an Indian or a Japanese or
anything else, you're an earth person.
Linda: uh-huh, I would like that.
Skip: a lot of people would like that, but a lot of
people don't want that because they'll lose their
Russ: right, they would lose their control.
Skip: there you go, you got it.
Karra: and you would also lose something far more
Karra: far more important, ethnic identity.
Skip: yep, we wouldn't be ethnic anymore.
Karra: ethnic identity is very important. I was born
in the highlands. I'm a Sirian first, but I know
that I am a Highlander second. Even though I am a
Sirian and I love my planet, I love my home more, I
will protect my home more. Why protect somewhere
that I have no affinity that my body was not
designed to live in? I will protect my planet, but I
will protect my home first, because that's where I
was born, that's where I have the greatest affinity
for, and that's where my body's designed for.
Karra: and if everybody on a planet-wide scale
protects their home and protects their ethnic area,
then they protect the whole entire planet.
Linda: I agree, if everybody did their part.
Skip: but they ain't going to.
Linda: if everybody...........
(Karra expands on the topic
in a different direction)
Karra: okay, now where were we? The thing is that
it takes, having children, it takes two people,
it's not one person.
Karra: and it's the same with everything else, it
takes two people or more to take care of
something. But forcing one's will on somebody or
anybody is wrong, except for in the case of
children where you are teaching them by forcing
your will on them.
Karra: when you say to a child, "do not play with
fire", it's not because it's wrong, it's because
you know that it burns and it saves them hopefully
from learning the lesson of how much it hurts.
When you say that something should be done, that
is your point of view. So it is important to be
aware of other people. Not to be so centered on
yourself that only yourself matters, it's
important to remember that it takes two to create.
It takes two to look after. It's very important to
remember that. Nobody is an island yet
individuality is very important. If you are so
turned in on yourself, that leaves open to
serious, serious mental health issues. Because
when you're sick, there's nobody to take care of
you if you are so turned in on yourself.
Karra: and sometimes when you're sick and you're
turned in on yourself you don't notice it. You
don't care about it because nobody else cares
about you because you've alienated them.
Karra: so having the outlook of just one person is
wrong. Next question, any more questions?
Russ: hmm, mostly with dealing with survival and
being able to just make a buck.
Russ: how do you maintain that community spirit
yet that individualism? There's a fine balance
point there that's really tough to maintain.
Karra: hmm, I wouldn't say so. We have a
competitive nature as Sirians and doing better
than your neighbor is part of it.
Karra: but also recognizing when your your
neighbor needs help. So everything is going great,
you can do better than your neighbor by struggling
harder, by improving yourself.
Russ: hmm. Okay, so it's just a question of
improving yourself but at the same time, I guess
by example improving your neighbor?
Karra: uh-huh. Because in a competitive nature if
you improve yourself, your neighbor wants to
Karra: and so on.
Russ: that makes sense.
Karra: uh-huh. Now I had a discussion a few
moments ago with my sister, which brought up the
issue of being turned in on oneself.
Karra: and we had a interesting discussion on that
and its observations that's she's made recently on
certain ethics and etiquette. I will let her
Karra: more questions?
Skip: I don't think so, darling.
Russ: I'm okay, I'm pretty much questioned out
Karra: no Russ, that's between you and I......
Russ: of course.
Karra: and stays that way.
Russ: all right love.
Karra: we will address that later.
Karra: and that is your choice.
Russ: of course.
Karra: uh-huh, and again, that's between you and
Russ: all right sweetheart.
Karra: bite me.
Russ: I love you too sweetheart.
Karra: I love you too. And when are you going to
get out to come and see me?
Russ: as soon as I can.
Russ: I came up the other day.
Karra: yes, I know, but how frequently?
Russ: I know. Well we work together all the time.
Karra: yes, I know but I like to see you.
Russ: all right.
Karra: you know.
(Tia takes note of something not often seen)
(Tia says hi in Durondeddunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: actually, that's the first time that I've
watched those two have a disagreement.
Russ: who, Kiri and Tia? I mean Kiri and Karra?
Russ: hmm, it doesn't happen often.
Tia: no. No, it doesn't, it doesn't. Okay, got any
Tia: where did Linda go?
Russ: oh, she's fixing some tea up.
Tia: ahh, okay.
Russ: all right, love.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Kiri gets to finish what Karra
Russ: hey Kiri.
Skip: yeah babe.
Linda: hi Kiri.
Russ: so you and my lovely lady are having a
Kiri: I wouldn't call it a disagreement.
Russ: Tia did.
Kiri: I would say different points of view.
Russ: ahh. So, what's the disagreement on? Free
choice as I understand it.
Kiri: partly, partly.
Russ: well Karra says you're going to help us out
Kiri: yes, I know what she said.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Kiri: okay........I'm marshaling my thoughts.
Marshall, marshall, marshall, marshall, marshall,
marshall....marshall......okay, understanding that
an individual is important in their world is a
healthy outlook to a certain point of view.
However, what is unhealthy.......and I think I won
the issue.......is when an individual becomes so
turned in on themselves that their coercive
capability is so focused inwards that they become
corrupted within. When an individual become so
focused within themselves and the normal tale tell
signs are, I, want, need, me. Those are the key
tale tell signs.
Linda: of what?
Kiri: of an individual that has become focused in
Linda: I've been going through that.
Tia: I, mine, need, want. Those are all focusing
in on oneself, it's not healthy. The reason why in
a coercive ability that it's not healthy is
because within an individual is created a feedback
loop. And it's not a negative feedback loop, which
is used for enlargement. It's not like that
lancing drill although it is lancing and it is a
drill. But, it loops back in on itself, but it
spirals in in a totally negative fashion forcing
the person into a negative thought process where
the world eventually appears to revolve around
them. And in doing so, as I said to my sister, it
alienates the outside world to them. Once the
alienation starts, it is very, very hard to stop.
Kiri: the individual must at that point stop it
themselves. Outside stimulus is needed to do so,
but they have to stop themselves. As in becoming
so turned within themselves, the way it works is
that they push people that are on the peripheral
away and then gradually those that are closer and
then finally they stand totally alone. When they
get to that point, it is no longer their fault, no
longer their mistake, it's no longer their doing,
it's everybody else's doing. "They did this to
me", which increases the loop, increases the
spiral down even faster. At that point, the next
stage. The coercive ability is now totally focused
in on themselves in a totally negative pattern.
There is a point for rescue at this point. But, if
untreated, the next stage happens where they start
to talk to themselves, not just internally, but
externally. And no longer having just a one-way
conversation, it becomes more along the lines of a
two-way conversation with the person playing both
sides. For example, "act naturally"."Oh, I will
act naturally, I will behave myself whilst I am
out in public". "Of course, you will behave
yourself out in public, you will do as you are
expected to do". As opposed to what Mark does,
which is hold a conversation with us, which most
people only hear one side of. Most of the time he
does it in his head but occasionally when he gets
irritated or he is frustrated, you will hear him
make a comment. Unfortunately, that's a third
dimensional telepathic problem.
Kiri: don't know how to communicate on the I-mode.
Linda: what does that mean?
Kiri: the I-mode is intimate. Not I is in eye but
I, as in the letter in your alphabet I as in
standing for intimate.
Kiri: internal, etc. So, the final collapse comes
where the person realizes that they shouldn't be
going around talking a two-sided conversation or
holding complete conversations with themselves.
They totally isolate themselves at that point from
the external world. And unfortunately at that
point when they start the two-way dialogue, a
complete conversation with themselves, that's it.
Best thing to do is put them on medication and
keep them out of the way because there is very
little that you can do. Okay, any questions?
Skip: yes, I have one.
Skip: for a person to carry on a one-sided
conversation with themselves, is that unnatural or
Kiri: depends if it makes sense.
Skip: well, I'm going to give you an example on
Skip: I talk to myself quite frequently when I'm
Kiri: you want me to let you in a little secret?
Kiri: I do too.
Skip: oh, okay.
Linda: I do too.
Kiri: that's perfectly natural.
Skip: is that natural?
Kiri: but when you start having a complete
conversation about nothing.
skip: no, no, no, it's just a one-sided
Linda: do you believe in positive self-talk? Like
I used to be very negative with myself and be
very, very cruel.
Linda: and now I've changed the way I speak to
myself in my mind and I'm more tolerant, I'm more
Linda: and I give myself more of a chance. And I
don't seem to give up as much this way and I don't
Kiri: both actually have their place. For example,
let us say that you are working on a piece of
engineering and you have a laser drill in your
hand and you go and drill a hole clean through
Linda: oh, I don't know if I would be as tolerant
Kiri: no, that is where you are harsh on yourself.
And, as I said, it has its place. Being negative
to oneself does have its place. For example,
waking up and looking in the mirror and going, "oh
Kiri, you look like death warmed over".
Linda: a rough night?
Kiri: uh-huh. And I go off and I shower and I make
myself nice and clean and presentable.
Russ: so what does Tia say in the morning, "look
what the cat dragged in?"
(Skip starts laughing over that)
Kiri: I don't know what she says. First thing she
says in the morning, I can't repeat and the second
thing she says, I can't understand.
(Skip still laughing)
Skip: look with the cat dragged in. But to talk to
yourself when you're you're at work, it's....
Kiri: perfectly natural.
Skip: normal and natural, huh?
Kiri: I've even been known to have a two-sided
conversation when I'm working on a energy
converter the other day for example.
Skip: uh-huh, yeah.
Kiri: and I'm explaining to myself how to do it.
Skip: you're going over the steps in other words.
Kiri: uh-huh. For example, "by inputting the
negative axis and supplying the power to the
converter and regulating the converter, supplies
power to the main operating system". "Now,
wouldn't that work better if I reverse the
polarity on the axis?" "Maybe.........but". You
see that's a healthy thought process and exercise
that you're going through.
Russ: well that's good, so I'm not going insane.
Linda: why, do you talk yourself at work
Russ: everyone does.
Linda: so okay, I'm glad that you asked that
question Skip because I was almost afraid to.
Skip: no, I talk to myself almost continuously
when I'm working.
Russ: I do have a question though on what you said
Russ: when you're talking about going completely
coercively to the inner self....
Russ: now is that like trying to coerce yourself?
Russ: now where does that go? Because obviously if
you're trying to coerce yourself and it's not
working, you're going to be even harsher on
Kiri: uh-huh, which means that it is working.
Kiri: you see, if you don't perceive that it's
working and you coerce yourself harder, and again
don't see that it's........see, that's part of the
Kiri: and the spiral?
Russ: now what if it is working? What if your
coercion on yourself does work?
Kiri: then you coerce yourself again into saying
that no, it's not working, and you need to coerce
Kiri: it's all in the subconscious.
Russ: for example, I tell myself, "hey, I need to
get this job done and focus on this particular
area of my life".
Russ: and I do so and it makes it work.
Russ: like building the cybercafe and things like
Kiri: no, I'm talking about negative issues.
Russ: oh, like what?
Kiri: negative thought patterns.
Kiri: I'm not worth anything.
Linda: that's what I used to do to myself.
Linda: I used to be beat myself up.
Kiri: yes. Thinking to oneself, "hmm, put on a
little bit of weight. Winter's coming, oh well, I
will shed that. I will cut down on my caloric
intake, I will exercise a little harder".
Linda: yeah, that makes more sense.
Kiri: uh-huh. You see the thing is to break those
patterns. If you don't break them...
Skip: then you keep building them more and more
Linda: yeah, and we just build up more guilt and
Skip: you can think yourself into fat.
Kiri: yeah. However, the other thing that you have
to watch out for is that when you're saying you're
fat and looking at yourself in a mirror and
saying, "I'm fat" and people don't see you as fat
and you diet and you diet and you diet you go
totally the other way. And that again is a
coercive negative thing which leads down the....
Skip: you mean bulimia?
Linda: that's in a sense letting food rule your
life in another direction.
Skip: I got a philosophy about food. I don't live
to eat, I eat to live.
Linda: that makes sense, it's fuel.
Skip: it's a positive attitude.
Skip: now I got a lady, you've met my lady, Judy.
Linda: she's sweet and nice, yeah.
Skip: she's a super gal.
Skip: according to the standards that everybody's
set out, she's heavyset.
Linda: I didn't even notice.
Skip: I could care less.
Skip: God still does it make any junk.
Linda: no he didn't.
Skip: she's a beautiful person.
Skip: I think an awful lot of that lady.
Skip: and she's got a lot of negative attitude
Kiri: yeah, don't be....
Linda: that's sweet of you to make her feel good
Kiri: don't be susceptible to your........what did
you call them Russ?
Skip: everybody wants to have this slender,
muscular figure with no bulges
anyplace.......that's baloney. We're not all built
the same, we didn't all come out of the same mold.
Kiri: uh-huh, so what if I'm short?
Skip: so you look good short.
Kiri: well for my race I'm short.
Skip: so what.
Russ: what if you put high heels on?
Kiri: don't need to, I'm happy as I am.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: I'm Kiri, sex goddess.
Skip: I'll tell you a little story on me darling,
believe it or not.
Skip: for years. I wore an inch and three-quarter
heel on my boots.
Russ: you did?
Skip: oh yes. I wore logger's boots or motorcycle
boots or cowboy boots.
Kiri: I'll give you an example of somebody that is
happy and contented with what they've got.
Kiri: I know somebody that has a hair problem,
Kiri: they're young, they're intelligent, they're
smart, the custom is to be concerned about hair
Kiri: and everybody sells these products for hair
Kiri: guess what?
Kiri: he's happy as he is. He's happy wearing
glasses. He's accepting the fact that his hair is,
what did he say? "Going south for the winter and
Skip: or summer, whatever.
Kiri: he even makes jokes about it. Happiness with
one's body is very important.
Linda: oh yeah.
Kiri: I'm happy being six-foot one, I'm happy
being a sandy brunette. I'm happy, my sister's
happy. The fact that I'm just a little teeny-weeny
bit taller, is besides the point. I can look down
on her from my high-altitude.
Skip: because I always wanted to be six-foot tall.
Kiri: now, from that conversation, as I like to
from time to time, I give demonstrations on
coercive ability. How are you feeling, Russ?
Kiri: Skip? Ohhhh Skip.
Skip: I don't know exactly how to answer that,
Kiri: how do you feel?
Skip: I really don't know.
Kiri: okay, Linda.
Linda: hmm, I feel very positive for the future.
Linda: and I really am excited about a new life
and having friends again, like close friends, like
I had when I was in high school.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, now the coercive demonstration
was the fact that you've all gone from the
bickering mood of points of view and everything to
positive. Now, the demonstration is partly for you
guys, it's also a demonstration for Mark because I
didn't use any of my ability.
Kiri: be warned Russ.
Russ: about what?
Kiri: that was all Mark's capability.
Russ: ahh well, it was about time he started
bringing out that Maxxus kind of thing.
(Ed. note: Maxxus was Mark's past life in
Kiri: and it's only a fraction. Maxxus is waking
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: watch how he learns how to use it, it will
be entertaining. I'm going to coach.
Russ: okay, this should be good.
Kiri: I estimate that he will be able to at
maximum, achieve 50% of Maxxus's capability.
Russ: unless Mark doesn't want to get regressed
Kiri: because every time you unleash a demon,
except for the last one.
Russ: what about you darling?
Russ: you don't need to be.
Russ: you have all your access to your lives
Kiri: uh-huh, I have full coercive capability.
Russ: I don't know, are you sure you can't go
Kiri: you want me to augment his ability with
Russ: no, yourself.
Russ: I mean, you still have a long way to go in
Kiri: yes, and I'm still pumping iron.
Russ: you haven't peaked out yet?
Kiri: no, and I have a very good teacher that
makes me use my coercive ability to keep ahead of
Russ: oh that's good.
Kiri: and at the moment I'm winning. Okay, talking
of which, I need to go and give him some warm
Kiri: he's just informed me that he's suffering
Russ: well go have fun, dear.
Russ: give our love to Leonedies.
Kiri: I will.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: he's in his romper suit.
(Tia comes on and gets in
trouble with Omal)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Skip: hi baby.
Tia: hey. Okay, we're almost done on the tape.
Russ: I sure look forward to when you'll be able
to talk again.
Tia: uh-huh. So that was Mark's coercive ability,
impressive. We even got up into the mid range on
the yellow line, hon.
Russ: did we?
Russ: I'll take your word for it.
Tia: no, Teene's saying that it just got out of
the green line.
Tia: she says with Kiri, it redlines occasionally,
with Leonedies it redlines frequently.
Skip: that sounds about average, don't it?
Russ: Ashtar, it's like there is no scale.
Tia: oh, they switch it off for Ashtar.
Russ: I don't doubt it.
Tia: and Monka and Ashtar-Athena.
Russ: and Sananda.
Tia: uh-huh. Actually Sananda, it doesn't even
peak when he hops on it and it is switched on.
Tia: I think he shields himself extremely well.
Russ: oh, well I know with Ashtar it's like
Tia: uh-huh. Do you feel the same thing when
Ashtar comes on? The energy level in the room
Russ: oh, Skip?
Skip: it goes the other way with me.
Tia: oh, you get tired? He's probably draining you
and harassing Russ or using your energy to harass
Skip: well I used to absorb energy and I don't do
that anymore. I used to give Russ a headache.
Tia: he gets a headache from me sometimes, (Tia
Russ: I get a headache from Ashtar, that's for
sure. I don't mind that, that's good practice.
You haven't met Ashtar, have you Linda?
Linda: no I haven't. Have I met Ashtar?
Skip: I've got my own shields.
Russ: no, you haven't met Ashtar yet.
Linda: what does Ashtar talk about?
Russ: everything. Mostly about world situations,
our progress, progress of the world.
Tia: uh-huh. And you better not argue or disagree
with Ashtar because he tells you as it is, the way
Tia: and Ashtar is a very busy individual that if
you start to....
Tia: deviate, ramble, he will say, "stick to the
question" or he will cut you off and tell you what
you are saying and answer it.
Russ: yeah, he'll just jump ahead of you and just
shut you down.
Russ: he's a great guy, he's a very stern kind of
Tia: uh-huh, you don't mess with Ashtar.
Russ: he's a busy guy.
Tia: and there was a channeling session quite a
few years ago and Russ, you want to tell the
Russ: which one?
Tia: the one with you and Bethany, after the test?
Russ: yeah, we basically got pushed around like
Tia: they were at each other's throats.
Russ: yeah, it was pretty fun.
Tia: and then Ashtar was in Mark's body, he
laughed. Very rare occurrence, he chuckled.
Tia: because he goes.....
Russ: Ashtar doesn't laugh much.
Tia: "hello, my name's Russ", "hello, my name's
Bethany". "I want to have an argument with you",
said Russ. "Oh yeah?", said Bethany.
Russ: yeah, Ashtar's a real life of the party.
Tia: uh-huh. They were seriously at each other's
Tia: and it got almost to the point of
name-calling and that was a coercive
Russ: yep, that was. That was a redliner there.
Tia: uh-huh, we thought it was pretty funny
Russ: well yeah, ha ha.
Tia: you guys were saying how good you are with
your shielding. Didn't even touch your shielding,
Tia: he just slipped right through your shields,
kept them intact and he just.....
Russ: yeah, well he's had a lot of practice.
Russ: he gets to work on you guys.
Tia: I don't argue with him.
Russ: no, I don't argue with them either.
Tia: once a year, I have to issue or give to
Ashtar a verbal report, an oral report.
Tia: uh-huh, I've done it twice so far. Got my
third one coming up in....ooohhhh.....three, four
weeks, not quite sure. Oh..............fudge
(that gets Russ laughing while Skip clears his
Tia: you know what I just did, didn't you?
Linda: what did you do?
Russ: discussed work.
Russ: it's all right, it's on tape.
Tia: I've just been told to take the rest of the
Skip: ooh ho.
Tia: oh well, if I talked about it, I can carry on
talking about it.
Russ: oh yeah.....
Skip: you want another week off?
Russ: put another week on there.
Tia: no, he says that he can't afford me to take
off more than what I'm taking off because I'm
taking the full........yeah, next week I work and
then I'm off again for a week because we three are
going to have a quiet family week up here.
Russ: well that sounds like fun.
Tia: uh-huh. Mark's got his exams next week and
then we're taking the week off and he has a week
off from the.....
Russ: flight center?
Tia: cadet training.
Tia: so, I can talk about it, what do you want to
know? I'm already in hot water.
Russ: well what do you know about it? You don't
Skip: you stay in hot water.
Tia: uh-huh. What are they going to do to me, put
me back in the deep freeze?
Russ: well that would chill you down a little bit.
Tia: what do I know?
Russ: well you can't know a whole lot, unless
you've been picking Mark's brain while he's up
Tia: I was given a little gift last year.
Russ: oh, what was that?
Tia: actually, the year before when I climbed the
pyramid, not only was I given extensive inner
shielding for my little sanctuary....
(Ed. note: the Great Pyramid on Sirius where she
Tia: I was given a coercive lance probe ability.
Russ: oh, well that's good. Did it come in handy?
Tia: uh-huh. Guess who I was talking to this
Tia: no, went down to the crèche with the
Tia: dropped them off......
Tia: and guess who I bumped into in the hallway?
Tia: not pilot Taal, my Taal.
Russ: oh, okay.
Tia: the guy that's taking my place.
Tia: we chatted about him and his friend and we
chatted about skiing....
Russ: lucky his shields weren't very good.
Tia: I lulled him a little bit.
Russ: yeah, I don't doubt that.
Tia: it was easy to insert that probe.
Tia: I read the report.
Russ: ahh, well, do tell, do tell. Don't hold it
Tia: okay. Without a shadow of a doubt, William
Jefferson Clinton is a sexual predator.
Tia: uh-huh. Without a shadow of a doubt, Monica
Lewinsky is not the first nor the last. Without a
shadow of a doubt, if Clinton is not dealt with on
this matter, he will do it again and far worse. If
this is not addressed, then this is the start of
Tia: supposing let's say it was me, and I was made
up to look like a Asian person and I was employed
by the government of communist China and I seduced
him. Or I gave him......what did Lewinsky do?
Lewinsky flashed him her underwear. Now supposing
that I did that and used it to hold over his head
for information and give it to my superiors,
what's just happened?
Russ: you're subverting a government official,
high government official.
Tia: uh-huh, but what's happened? National
security has just gone out the window.
Tia: let's take it a little further. Let's say
that the president and myself are having an
THE TAPE ENDS
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