Open Mic Night- 

Channeling Date (10/23/1996)

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Archivist Notes: October marks a very unique point in the archives, the first time I could not attend one of the two channeling sessions of this podcast. That is made up for by being the only questioner in the second of the two sessions. The title was determined by Tia in her time talking as she is one of only three speakers in the first session. With an open field to ask questions and me not there with my notes, the two normal guests attending brought up a variety of topics for Tia which included life choices and how to stop the internal dialogue which would turn out to be a theme running through the speakers. In fact, Omal would deal with it to the exclusion of all else to go over quieting the mind in great detail. Tia is back after that to explain how a Mayan past life of mine helped break a karmic circle with a girl I renewed the relationship in this life. While I may have sacrificed her in that life,  only my heart was sacrificed in this one. Karra wraps up side one after taking on the subject of the internal dialogue during healing. Think of it as an exchange of energies as what is thought can be transmitted to the person through the exchanging of mental shielding. She ends the side after confirming that relatives healing each other can have some issues over healing those not related by blood.

   Side two has Karra returning to give us some helpful advice for healing meta-concerts before Tia comes back to cut the session short due to a lack of speakers. Before going, we do find out Sarah who was a rescued abductee was finally leaving the base to join Kiri and Karra's grandmother at a monastery in the mountains of Sirius. From there an entirely new channeling session begins with Tia once again starting things off promoting space as a way to advance the benefits exploring it brings. She also gives us a description of her time on Sirius as a VIP which included a very special dinner held in her honor with 800 guests. Karra follows her and provides a description of how the fifth dimension works as opposed to how the third and sixth dimensions operate. Her daughter Alana makes a guest appearance to relate a joke that one of the dolphins played on her while Kiri gets us to the end of the tape describing a new swimsuit she had designed called a trikini. Now for a less complete overview.
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra


TIA- Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(0:00)- Tia helps a guest with some life choices he was considering while also helping another guest with issues he was having with shutting down the internal dialogue during his meditations.
2.)(19:31)- Omal takes the subject of the internal dialogue to the next level by giving us a dissertation on how it can be used to help with astral travel and past lives. We even hear how he uses it as a tool.
3.)(29:03)- Tia is back to answer questions about reincarnation and as a result we hear about my past life as a Mayan priest and the sacrifice I had to perform on an acquaintance then but a girlfriend in this life.
4.)(36:09)- Karra explains how the internal dialogue can be used as a tool in healing when you are within  their shields. Positive thoughts are an added treatment that is useful in healing others or yourself.

1.)(0:00)-  Karra goes over the various colors or shades of colors that can be used in meta-concerts though for a healing meta-concert she suggests an agreed upon shade of green for everyone to use.
2.)(8:23)- Tia describes the benefits that can be had with the space program before describing a trip she made to Sirius as a celebrity due to how she did in a race there. So good in fact that she got to meet Sarra.
3.)(24:15)- Karra gives a lesson on the physics involved with the fifth dimension by explaining how a room they have on the base works that sits right below the gravity generators holding back the fifth dimension.
4.)(30:54)- Alana gives us an update on how the dolphins are doing as well as relating how a dolphin played a practical joke on her by stripping off the air unit on her back and playing keep away afterwards.
5.)(36:353)- Kiri ends the second channeling session of the night by describing for a guest a design she had come up with for a swimsuit called a trikini. She stresses it is only for looks and not for swimming.
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(Tia sets the night off as ring mistress)

Tia: okay, we're here live tonight and it is the 23rd of October 1996. The time is............

Skip: 7 o'clock.

Tia: 8 o'clock
Skip: 8 o'clock.

and two minutes.
John: yeah, yeah, you're looking at your clock wrong.

Tia: but next week this will be 7 o'clock.

Skip: on Tuesday?

Tia: well, what I'm saying is that in actual fact it will be 8 o'clock, but it would be 7 o'clock.

John: oh okay, we're going through the time change.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: is it next week?

John: it's this weekend.

Skip: I thought it was last weekend of October.

Tia: that is the last weekend of October.

John: this is coming up to the last weekend of October. Where have you been Skip?

Skip: this year has flew by so fast.

Tia: don't tell me you still thought it was September?

Skip: I'm still in August.

Tia: well, there you have it. That's new....that looks nice.

John: oh yeah, you like that?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah.

Tia: okay, let's get down to serious matters as we only have a limited number of people here. Karra's here, no Kiri and Omal and myself. So there's just the three of us which is quite unusual.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: so we'll start with open questions. We'll call this tape open mic night.

Skip: okay.

John: okay. All right, open mic night.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I got a question for you darling.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: maybe you can answer me, maybe you can't. I've got several avenues of opportunities that I can pursue.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: and I'm kind of in a dilemma over which ones to pursue.

Tia: okay. Well, let's hear them and I'll tell you....

Skip: okay, a young man that used to be........well, he still is a close associate of mine.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: has offered for me to go to school with him and get my certifications to become a building inspector. It's a very generous offer......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: because he said he can get my certs for me in very short order here which means that I can go ahead and do this.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: to get out of the heavy labor I've been doing all my my life.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: another associate of mine pursuing adventure in purchasing and selling and renting property.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: that's the second avenue of endeavor. The third one is stay on the job I'm on and find out if they're going to hire me or not.

Tia: yeah, by that look of that last question, you look very concerned and frustrated about that.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: the other two possibilities, I really can't give you an answer saying you should do this, you should do that....

Skip: no, no, no, no, I'm just wanting to more or less get your personal opinion.

Tia: I was going to come to that, I was just doing the preamble.

Skip: okay.

Tia: okay, have you thought about doing both possible avenues?

Skip: well, yeah I guess so.

Tia: uh-huh. So that the way I see it is that you have two opportunities here. Now what you have to do is weigh both of them, right? And the possibility of doing one or the other or possibly both. And by pursuing those avenues, you have to sit down and work out how they're going to benefit you and all those parties involved. What is their potential outcome? The possibilities of each outcome and then the possible outcomes of those outcomes.

Skip: uh-huh.

To: so that you're not thinking.....let's say it takes a week to get your property. You're not thinking of one week, you're thinking of three or four weeks ahead. What's going to happen after you dealt with that? How is it going to affect them? Are they going to come back to you if something goes wrong or are they going to come back to you if something goes good?

Skip: hmm?

Tia: you have to look at all those avenues. So you have to weigh the odds and what would be the best overall not only for you but for those parties concerned.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: by doing that, you should be able to come to an answer that would suit you and them better. And also to add in to the mixture, is where do you want to be in five years? Where do you want to be in 10 years? You see where I'm going with that?

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and so it's not planning just for a couple months down the road or six months or a year down the road, you're doing a big picture. A little bit like a five year plan or a ten year plan. Where you want to be in ten years? Where do you want to be going with the rest your life?

Skip: thank you darling.

Tia: no problem. John Paul?

John: yes, I wanted to ask about the internal dialogue......

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and controlling that.

Tia: there's a simple technique that you can use to control it is that the way that I teach astral travel and I believe Mark teaches it the same way is shutting down the internal dialogue is one of the most important things to do before you learn how to astral travel properly. And what you do is you basically tell your internal dialogue to shut up. Sort of like you hear it....

John: so I just tell it to shut up?

Tia: and then you listen, listen with all your body. Focus on one noise. For example, your clock up there, you can hear it ticking, correct?

John: correct.

Tia: okay, now for a second, right? Skip and myself will be quiet......okay, now relax and just listen to the clock. Okay, now in that proximate ten seconds, right? There was no internal dialogue was there?

John: no there wasn't.

Tia: uh-huh. So what you do is you focus on one noise. A handy thing to have that ticks at a faster or slower rate would be something like a Metrodome....metronome. I had somebody here.....yeah.

John: oh okay, you're talking about the device that....

Skip: keeps music.

John: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. So you have a tick toc, tick toc.

John: okay, now let me re-ask the question.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: okay, cutting off your internal dialogue....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: during meditation and when you're trying to go to sleep.....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: is one thing, okay? But like with me......

Tia: uh-huh.

John: when I'm at work, okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I'm not in a meditative state of mind.

Tia: yeah.

John: I've got to be totally focused.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: but I'll get some goofy rock 'n' roll song.......

Tia: yeah.

John: in my mind.

Tia: okay, now the reason why that does dad is because of the thinking process. Your mind is constantly thinking. When you shut down the internal dialogue, right? The thinking level has gone much, much deeper down that you can no longer hear the thinking level. For example, let's say we're doing barbecued dog..........

(Ed. note: a common example she uses as her race eats dogs)

John: okay?

Tia: right? And there's all these people all around me, right? And they're talking and they're having a fun time and I'm concerned with the spit speed, the stuffing that I have in there, all the good stuff, right?

John: yes, correct.

Tia: I'm thinking to myself, "if I slow down the rotation rate now, it's going to crisp the skin nicely." Right? This is going on in my head, I'm not saying anything to anybody. I'm just concentrating on cooking this dog, right?

John: yes, I understand.

Tia: so, the thinking process is very important. You don't want to shut that down because if you shut it down to a subconscious level, right? Where it's buried deep, right? You're not actually concentrating on what you're doing or analyzing the moment you see? That's what the inner voice does. The inner dialogue is the debate between right and wrong, is this the right recipe, is that the right recipe, should I go over there and clip the Cub's ears because they're misbehaving? No, they're fine, they're staying away, they've stopped misbehaving, that's all the internal dialogue you see? When you talk out loud, basically what you've done is taken internal dialogue and put it external for added input. Sometimes you'll be walking around and you'll ask yourself out loud, "should I go to the dance tonight or should I go and have an early night?" Or the other question that you might ask yourself is, you've just done something really stupid and you go, "that's really stupid, I will never do that again". And you'll say that out loud which is reinforcing the thought process and affirming that you will not make that mistake again.

John: okay, now, if I the other night I was cleaning my tools...

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I ran my hand across my French knife.....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: which is very foolish.

Tia: yeah.

John: and I didn't cut myself....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: because my fingers were firm....

Tia: yeah.

John: okay? It should have cut me......

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I didn't cut myself and it was very foolish.

Tia: yeah.

John: a stupid thing to do.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: okay? But I mean the internal dialogue...

Tia: yeah.

John: is essential.

Tia: yes, it is.

John: okay, I'm just wondering about shutting it off.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: can I shut it off?

Tia: yes.

John: can I do that?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: completely?

Tia: yes you can.

John: can I just shut it down?

Tia: uh-huh. Basically what you do is you say to yourself in your subconscious, "quiet". And as soon as your mind starts to go, "okay, it's quiet in here", you've already...

John: that's the internal dialogue.

Tia: that's right but you then again go, "quiet"and you focus on the ticking of the clock but you don't want to do this all the time. You want to do it when you want to meditate or sleep, right?

John: right.

Tia: is when you shut down the internal dialogue.

John: right.

Tia: but it still continues on a deeper level that you can no longer hear in your mind. You see, the thing to do is when you're having the internal dialogue, it's great if you're at work processing information. For example, today I was processing some information and I go, "really?" Of course I had a roomful of people and I didn't go that out loud. I went, "really" in my mind.

John: right, you went really in your mind.

Tia: yes, and it's a way of affirming the information you see and storing it. Okay, Skip?

Skip: yes?

Tia: your question.

Skip: I've got a problem with me.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: and I think I've been spinning my wheels all my life, or it feels like it.

Tia: it could be the fact that you've got to a point where you feel that you should be at a totally different point.

Skip: yeah, I should be independently wealthy.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I had a good start on it many years ago.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: it kind of went by the wayside. I'd like to do it again.

To: okay, how did you do it last time?

Skip: property.

Tia: uh-huh. Well that's the way you should try again, you know that. That has worked in the past. Oh, I see where you're going with that. You're analyzing your earlier questions.

Skip: yeah, more or less.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: more or less.

Tia: and looking at all the avenues.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and if you go with the property, right? Let's assume you decide to go with the property thing, being an instructor of some kind so that you can go there and look at the properties, right? Let's say you buy a plot of 20 acres, right?

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: and you tell the guy, "oh, by the way, I'm also a property instructor".

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: you just hand them that and it's sort of like, "when you're ready to have your property's foundations inspected, give me a call".

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: see, you combine both of them.

Skip: oh, I see, okay.

Tia: uh-huh. But that's only a possibility, possible avenue. But as for spinning your wheels........

Skip: well I feel like I am.

Tia: I don't think so. I think you've had some wonderful life experiences.

Skip: oh I have, I guess.......I guess my biggest problem is my mates, okay?

Tia: yeah.

Skip: I think that's been my biggest problem.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I can't seem to get with a partner who stays with me.

Tia: uh-huh. Well, in your society at its present development, you name me one person that's in your age group that has not had a divorce.

Skip: well, that's true. That's them, that's not me.

Tia: okay, let's say somebody that has gone from rags to riches. I think that's the correct expression. Let's take Donald Trump, right?

Skip: uh-huh, okay.

Tia: okay, now how many times has he been married?

Skip: I have no idea.

To: I think at least three times.

Skip: yeah, but I got him snowed.

Tia: yeah but what I'm saying is the fact that money doesn't make you happy. It gives you a cushion, right?

Skip: it makes you comfortable, that's it.

Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, it makes you comfortable but it's not fulfilling.

Skip: no and that's not what I mean. I'll make money, I ain't worried about that.......

Tia: yeah.

Skip: I'll always make money in life.

Tia: what sort of press do you use?

Skip: huh?

Tia: what sort of press do you use?

Skip: what sort of what do I use?

Tia: press.

John: press, to make money.

Skip: oh no, no, no, no, not that kind. I'm sorry, I completely missed that one.

Tia: as Russ might say, "Kachew".

Skip: yeah right, it really did.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: no, I've made good money.

Tia: yeah, so you've had that comfortable cushion. I think you're looking for more of a spiritual fulfillment, correct?

Skip: well, I think a partner.

Tia: uh-huh, well a spiritual partner that can be one and the same.

Skip: okay.

Tia: uh-huh. Somebody to curl up next to on cold nights.

Skip: yeah, Somebody or talk to.

Tia: yeah. That's why you like Lyka isn't it?

Skip: yeah, two-way street.

Tia: yeah, she's full of energy and bouncy and mischievousness and very smart.

Skip: yeah, but she's too young.

Tia: yeah, way too young. And she's also probably could flip you over her shoulder without thinking about it. Yeah, she's one tough cookie.

Skip: I don't mind tough cookies, as long as they're straightforward.

Tia: oh she's very straightforward and to the point.

Skip: I respect that.

Tia: okay, now back to Johnny.

Skip: I'm not gonna stay too long.

Tia: okay, well we're only going to do half a tape anyway I think.

Skip: yeah, okay.

Tia: in actual fact, we could actually put the next person on. Otherwise, I could sit and hog it all night. See you guys in a few.

Skip: okay.

John: okay, thank you.

(Omal replaces Tia as speaker)

Omal: greetings and felicitations friends. Skip, Johnny, greetings.

Skip: good evening Omal.

Omal: and how is everybody functioning?

John: I'm functioning quite well Omal, thank you.

Omal: thank you.

Skip: within parameters.

Omal: specified parameters?

Skip: yeah, I guess so.

Omal: okay, let us proceed by answering your questions that of many you have.

Skip: oh.

John: you want me to start Skip?

Skip: go ahead John.

Omal: I was about to say, we can use the proverbial coin if Russ was around.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: have him manifest one, it is quite simple.

John: okay, like I discussed with Tia....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: which you obviously overheard or monitored, whatever you do......

Omal: yes.

John: okay? I'm curious about the internal dialogue....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and shutting it down at the right time and also being able to shut it down while I'm still in the working mode.

Omal: you don't want to do that when you're in the working mode.

John: okay, thank you.

Omal: somebody such as myself on the seventh dimension, we still have the internal dialogue. It is part of the thought process as Tia stated. It is also a handy way of relaying information on higher levels in a telepathic mode. For example, I'm thinking to myself, "I need to get one of my technicians to switch off a device". And as I think of the device, the technician wanders over, has already heard my thoughts because I am thinking on a random level and he goes off and switches off the device. Or I think to myself, "it is time that I had a bite to eat but I'm too busy to leave my desk. Should I get one of my technicians to get me some protein". The technician looks at me and asked what I would like for lunch. So the internal dialogue not only serves as a way of analyzing and extrapolating information, but also works as a communication tool. The puzzled look on somebody's face that they're thinking triggers you to ask them, "what is the matter or what are you thinking about?" The individual that looks unwell and has a furrow on their brow because they have a headache, you ask them, "what is wrong?" And they will explain. So it is not only used as an analyzing process and extrapolating information, it is also used as a communication tool. When you meditate, that is when you shut down the internal dialogue. This gives you the opportunity to free up your mind. Your mind is free, there is no process of analyzing information going on a conscious level so therefore you will see random, sensory input, images. Now by controlling those images, by not thinking about controlling them, enjoying the slideshow as it were of random objects flash before your vision, in your mind, you can have quite an interesting moment. By remembering those images and writing them down, you may be able to see some sense in what is going on on a deeper level of your mind. Now, having learned how to control those images, the next step is to control your body so that you can astral travel or review your past lives. But at this time it is not advisable to view past lives due to the fact that you first of all have to learn how to control the random pictures. And controlling them can be quite tricky. And it takes time and practice to control them. What you need to do is to focus as if you were looking at one object and follow it and bring it in close without thinking bringing it in close. That is where you may run into some problems with the internal dialogue. You see a picture and you wish to bring it in close and you think to yourself, "I have to bring it in close". Your internal dialogue has started up so you relax and tell your internal dialogue to shut down so that you can then view the image. It takes time and practice to be able to just will the image in closer without thinking, "come closer" or "I need a closer look". It takes time and practice. Sometimes your mind will pick up on the fact that you wish to view something closer and will do it without needing the internal dialogue. Bringing the picture in close can be a very useful tool. You have learned how to control the imagery process with your mind. Controlling that is the next step to astral travel and reviewing past lives. By thinking beforehand that you wish to view past lives, you will have select randomly past lives. Images of all sorts of interesting things. From engine designs and specs to filleting fish that you have never seen before that are no longer available in your supermarkets. Or equipment that is ancient and obsolete that you have only seen in pictures and in museums. So by controlling your inner voice, the internal dialogue, you learn other useful tools. The ability to view your past lives and astral travel. By viewing your past lives, you can learn how to expand your abilities. For example, Skip is a manifestor as you are Johnny....

John: yes?

Omal: and by viewing manifesting past lives, you learn how to increase and focus your manifesting ability.
Do we have any questions at this point?

John: you covered a lot of ground. I thank you for your answer and turn my time over to Skip here.

Omal: okay.

Skip: Omal, is possible to consciously review past lives without a dream to be?

Omal: by the method that I have just described by shutting down the internal dialogue.....

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: and letting the pictures come randomly.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: at first this is just random pictures but later, by being able to control the random pictures, you can program yourself to review past lives. You may not have the full effect that you would have in a regression and being trained as a regression specialist, those individuals are trained to regress other people. Russ will tell you, the hardest person to regress is himself. By doing this, it is a useful tool, self-regression that takes time and patience.

Skip: thank you.

Omal: next question?

Skip: I can't think of anything after.

Omal: okay.

Skip: I appreciate your coming.

Omal: no problem. Live long, prosper, and I'll be back.

John: thank you very much sir.

Omal: you're welcome.

(Tia spends some time with us before switching speakers)

Tia: incy weency spider went climbing up the spout, down came the rain and washed poor
incy out. Out came the sun and dried poor incy out. Incy weency spider is climbing back up the spout.

Skip: you're in a good mood tonight.

Tia: oh I am, yes. It's just going to be myself, the Cubs and Mark.

John: so you're going to make Mark proud that he's happy.

Tia: no, I've got other things in mind. Okay, let me be sensible and serious.

Skip: okay.

John: okay. Let's talk about Sirius. Kiri has gone to Sirius?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and mama's gone.

Tia: no, that's mother superior. The head abbess of Kiri's grandmother's monastery.

John: okay. Now do they have someone lined up to replace her?

Tia: well there's three possible people and one of them happens to be Kiri's....

John: Kiri's mom.

Tia: grandmother.

John: grandma, oh okay, okay, okay, excuse me.

Tia: yeah, Kiri's mother is being reborn. She passed away a long time ago, probably about I should say close to thirty, forty years ago.

John: okay.

Tia: yeah.

John: let's talk about that.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: let's talk about past lives and past life regressions.

Tia: I don't know that much. I've been regressed quite a few times and Russ actually did one on me through Mark's body but we won't go into that.

John: okay that's a personal thing between you guys.

Tia: yes.

John: and I won't go into that but what about past lives?

Tia: okay, past lives are very, very important. They are something that affects what is going on to you, to Skip and myself at present. For example, let us say that you were a woman in a past life, right?

John: yes, I was.

Tia: and you have a friend, right? That abused you in whatever way.

John: okay.

Tia: right? What you have to learn is let's say in this life you have an acquaintance that you have used rottenfully. That you have done nasty things to, been mean to, been horrible to yet they keep staying in your life. And the question is, why is that person in your life? It is possible that that person was the person that abused you. Let us take an example as he is not here to defend himself, right? We'll use Russ as an example. Russ was once a priest in a, I think it was Mayan society or it could have been Aztec, and he did human sacrifices which was the norm of the time. Nothing wrong with those, they were perfectly acceptable at the time. And there was a young lady that was an acquaintance and she ended up being the perfect sacrifice, being a willing sacrifice. And Russ had to wrestle with that and when he became aware of it in this life, that he had been a priest and that he had sacrificed numerous people and he had a hard time adjusting to it. Along comes a young lady into his life that had been the perfect sacrifice, the willing sacrifice and he had to learn how to deal with that and have a relationship with her so that he could progress on to the next level. And the fact that she did some very nasty things towards the end of their relationship means that she hasn't learned and there will be a karmic outcome later on. But by behaving in the way that she did, she taught Russ some very valuable lessons. And the thing is that instead of going off the handle and ripping into her and so on and being mean and nasty to her, he said, "okay, fair enough, off you go, you're free". He didn't try to woo her back, he didn't try to do anything like that which is what she wanted, you see? So therefore the karmic circle is now broken. He was not manipulated by her and she was not manipulated by him. They had a clean break and they seem to of maintained a good friendship.

John: so that broke the karmic circle.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: so we are able to break the karmic circle....

Tia: that is correct.

John: in our lifetime?

Tia: yes. Okay.....

John: what, you got a date? You're looking at your watch.

Tia: well I'm looking at Mark's watch because I can't see the chronometer up here because somebody's got their big head in the way.......and thank you. Okay, we have ten minutes approximately before the end of the session. I will put on the last speaker....

John: okay.

Tia: if she will come over and sit down. Just because her little sister is not around. I don't know if she's going to stay very long.

John: okay.

Tia: she has her little ones with her which I don't like bringing to channeling sessions, it's naughty.

John: okay.

(Karra gets us to the end of the side)

Karra: hello.

John: hi Karra, how's things?

Karra: it is functioning fine.

Skip: how's the kids?

Karra: the kids are well behaved. They are sitting patiently, I do not have a babysitter at this time.

Skip: circumstances alter situations darling.

Karra: yes, unfortunately they do. But, it is a learning lesson for Tia to learn patience with little ones racing around.

John: it's good for her isn't it?

Karra: yes it is. Okay, well, fortunately my love is not here so we can debate for a while, pure conversation on the merits of healing and dealing with healing matters.

John: okay, now with myself being a healer and a manifestor, I want to still touch on the subject.

Karra: okay.

John: okay, about internal dialogue.

Karra: ahh, okay, I understand. Now we can proceed on an avenue of how does the internal dialogue help with being a healer. Now this will involve both of you. Okay, the necessary importance of the internal dialogue in healing is very important. You have to remember how to heal, how to pull the energy out, is it the arm that hurts? If I press here, will this be okay? If I touch there, well I be able to pull the energy out? So the internal dialogue when healing is very, very important. It is also thinking on, "okay, this person is going to be better". By thinking this in the internal dialogue, you transmit it to the person that you're trying to heal. Because you have hands-on, and they are inside of your shields, you are flowing their energy. In return, you are giving them the feeling of positiveness, of being able to heal themselves. What you're actually doing is transmitting the thought to them. That's why it is useful in a meta-concert healing to have a coercer because instead of having a large number of minds all thinking positive thoughts, you have one person that opens up the individual that is being healed to the incoming thoughts of positive healing. The positive healing is the key to healing. Okay.....

John: can you expand on that more please?

Karra: oh, certainly, certainly I can expand. It is very seldom that I am asked to expand on an open ended answer.

John: please.

Karra: okay, the healing process that occurs when you are using the internal dialogue is, "you are healing, you are healing, I will make this person better". Your positive thoughts flow through your hands to the affected area but, as your thinking those thoughts, because the person is inside your shields they are being transmitted to that person who is receiving them. By that person receiving those thoughts, then they hear it on a subconscious level and their body works in the healing process with them. You are using their own body to fight their ailment. You are supplying the energy which may be lacking because of fighting the infection or the damage or the headache or whatever it is beating them but the energy that you're pumping in is being directed by their mind which is being directed by your thoughts. Basically what you're doing is manipulating them to being accepting of healing. Now if you have a coercer handy as I stated just now, that coercer can speed up the process by opening up the person's mind to healing. Manipulating so that they are very receptive to the incoming information that will help them with the healing process. The healing process is speeded up with the aid of the coercer. But coercer on his own or her own cannot do the healing. But the healer on her own or his own can do both jobs. Not as effectively as a coercer but it can be done. By combining the coercer and the healer into a group mind, or a very small, primitive meta-concert, you speed up the healing process because the healer is no longer doing two jobs. The healer is concentrating on the matter at hand. The coercer is totally free to concentrate on opening up the individual so that the individual can receive the information and the energy without putting up natural barriers. A similar bit to having a scrub nurse and a surgeon. The surgeon is capable of doing surgery on his own but it is very difficult. With the aid of the scrub nurse using clamps and sutures to open up the area, makes it easier for the surgeon to do her job. But a healer on her own or his own is quite capable of doing the job but it is more work for the healer. With a coercer, which sometimes you may not have access to a coercer, it makes things easier. You see?

John: yeah, that clarifies things. Let me ask you about the shielding.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: now one, Skip or myself is doing a healing on someone, our self-shielding surrounds the person that we're healing, am I correct?

Karra: correct. Basically what you're doing is you have a multilayered shield is that you're putting them  inside your shields so that it is easier for you to manipulate the healing. When somebody is sick, their shields are weak and easy to cut through. It is like using a scalpel to open up the flesh. You do the same when you open up somebody's shield to heal.

John: uh-huh.

Skip: how do I perfect self-healing?

Karra: by the same way that you heal others. As is commonly quoted, "a healer, heal thyself". You know your body well, you look at the areas that are damaged and you concentrate on those areas as if you were healing somebody else. However, your energy has to be brought in from outside as a healer so you suck in energy from outside to be healed. Let us say you have a damaged rib, okay? Let's say Mark's body is the damaged body that it is my body and I bruise my ribs. I fire up my hands and I place them over the damaged area so that the energy is flowing into the damaged area. But, because of the damage, my energy is tainted with the pain so I have to bring energy in from outside. I bring it into my crown chakra and I pull it on through to the affected area. My hands pull out the energy. It flows up my arms, this is where it gets tricky. it goes down and out through the root chakra. It must not touch the incoming energy because if it does, the energy that is incoming becomes tainted with the pain and suffering. So it has to come in through the crown chakra down to the damaged area, right? It comes back out and it goes.....well it could go up, down the side and then join the chakras and all the way down through that way but if you loop but over it works just the same but it must not touch.

Skip: okay.

Karra: you must visualize that energy coming in and looping and not touching. If you happen to penetrate totally the healing loop, then you disconnect, you take your hands away, you wash them, you relax and you try again. If it touches, you have to work harder to make sure it doesn't touch again and it will take longer to heal the area.

Skip: thank you.

Karra: no problem.

John: let me ask you about third dimensional healers....

Karra: uh-huh.

John: healing each other and working on each other.

Karra: yes, that is commonly what happens up here. A healer, let us say my ribs again.....

John: okay.

Karra: I bruised my rib. It is much easier for me to go to another healer to get that healer to heal me.

Skip: rather than trying to do it yourself.

Karra: correct.

Skip: okay.

John: so on this dimension and our space and time, with Skip and I both being healers.....

Karra: yes.

John: we could assist each other in the healing process?

Karra: that is correct.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I got the same thing........can I intercede here a little bit?

Karra: certainly.

Skip: I have the same thing with my daughter.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: but with my daughter and myself being of the same ascent....

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I have to change the color of my healing power, I can't use a white light on her.

Karra: that's correct.

Skip: it will make her sick if I do.

Karra: yeah, why? Why do you make her feel unwell?

Skip: well because our genders match from what I understand.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: is this correct?

Karra: yes. In a healing, a male healing a female, there is a lot of......especially if they're of the same bloodline, a lot of blood, and that will cause an overload you see. So you have to change the pattern a little bit.

Skip: so I have to change the color.

Karra: yeah, it is like trying to pack in a lot of milk into a container. It explodes and it is the same thing. The explosion happens inside the person's stomach and up comes all that they have ate.

Skip: but if I change the color.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: in other words, if I'm......

John: let me interrupt you....

Skip: go ahead John.

John: real quick here Skip. Okay, now I'm understanding that it's a green, a green light as opposed to a white light. Excuse me again.

Skip: that's only in meta-concert.

Karra: yeah.

Skip: now listen to me....

John: uh-huh.

Skip: in meta-concert as I understand it, as I've been educated by channeling, okay? By this lady right here, all of us use the same color........

Karra: yes.

Skip: which normally you wouldn't be concerned with color.

Karra: that is correct.

Skip: okay? When I go to heal someone........




(Karra returns to the subject at hand)

Skip: okay, a white light is your natural healing ability.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay. You do it, I do it but you don't even think about it because that is the most powerful part of healing is the brightest light which is white.

Karra: well it is an instinctual thing as well.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Karra: it is instinctual as well.

Skip: yeah, so it's an instinct, okay?

John: yeah.

Skip: alright now, when I go to try and heal my daughter, I have to concentrate on a color.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: because if I use my natural instinct, she's my bloodline, all I do is upset her.

John: okay.

Skip: okay?

John: okay.

Skip: and I actually make her worse than she was before I tried.

Karra: uh-huh. Now by focusing on the healing color which is green, green is a healing color. It is a nice, soothing color. That is why it is always associated with healing. Now meta-concert will use shades of green which means that everybody is focusing on the same color. There is no chance that Skip is a white light, you give a blue light, Russ gives off a red light, everybody is focusing on the same color. Green in a meta-concert works better in a healing than white light. This is because white light is like a universal tool. You use white light as a tool that can be used in anything. For example, for a healer to manifest, you would use a white light. If you were to heal, it is an actual beam of white light. If you were to move an object, why not white light? But by everybody in a meta-concert using one color because some people may not think of using white light, you'd be surprised. By thinking of one color and sending the energy in that color means that the person down the line doesn't have to change it to their color. It passes on from the secondary to the primary as green light. The primary passes it on to the conductor as green light. The conductor passes it on as green light to the executive. Instead of going primary red, sorry, secondary red, primary white, conductor green, executive blue. It's all green which means that it is much more effective....

John: okay now, let me ask you about different shades......

Karra: different shades again present the same problem that one person will change it to their color.

John: okay, now Skip and I are working together on a project.....

Karra: uh-huh.

John: okay? And we're doing a healing meta-concert, okay?

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and I perceive the green as a light green and he perceives the green as being a dark green...

Karra: well if you hadn't of interrupted me, I was about to get to that.

John: oh I'm sorry, I apologize....

Karra: okay.

John: I apologize very much.

Karra: that's quite all right. But the point that you brought up is quite valid and I was about to explain it. What you do beforehand is let us say you want to project green light for healing and you're part of the meta-concert. Let's say there is five people in the meta-concert, let us say everybody decides a dark green but how dark? Dark dark, light dark or very a pale dark? Hmmm, the same problem occurs as in the different colors, just not as heavily empathized. Now, if you have a powerful meta-concert with all healers that are very powerful this does not matter. But, with a group of individuals of varying abilities that some are not healers, some may be coercers, some of them may be manifestors. You then have to decide what exactly what color it's going to be. And how this is achieved is getting a piece of paper, getting a selection of green crayons and selecting which color you want. Then you draw the line and say, "this is the color that the light will be". Plain and simple. "Anybody deviates from this, I will hang them upside down by their toes over pit of crocodiles". You see?

John: so we should focus when we're doing a healing meta-concert, we should focus on the same shade of green. Is that what you're saying?

Karra: yes, yes that would be ideal.

John: okay.

Karra: but at the moment, because you're just learning meta-concert, the shade of green does not matter as much as the intent and learning the mechanics. The feline with the neck injury is a prime example of the color didn't matter or the shade or the color. The feline's healing process was speeded up exponentially. It would have been sped up even quicker if it had all been in the same color but that is irrelevant due to the fact that A, the feline was healed and B, the meta-concert was a success and C, you learned the mechanics of the meta-concert. You now know how to do a healing meta-concert. You can practice until it becomes second nature and then you can proceed to the next step of getting the colors right. Okay, thank you, I've been told to hop out as Tia is saying that my children are trying to dismantle something over there.

Skip: thank you darling, I appreciate it.

John: thank you very much, it was very informative. I appreciate it. Take good care of your kids.

(Tia signs off this channeling session before signing on again)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

John: hi Tia.

Tia: hi.

John: you're back.

Tia: the channeling session's almost over, okay?

Skip: okay.

Tia: okay guys, you have a good evening, thank you for coming. Sorry it's only a short one. I didn't realize how much of a role Kiri does play in spreading information and speeding the process along.

John: oh yeah, she does, she does a very good role.

Skip: she's a neat lady.

Tia: yes she is.

John: yeah, yes she is, she's fascinating.

Tia: yeah. She's actually still on the base but she's heading down with Sarah to the spaceport to get ready for the trip. She's got Sarah sedated.

Skip: give her my love.

John: well it's understandable that she couldn't participate tonight.

Tia: well Sarah........

John: we miss her.

Tia: uh-huh. Sarah apparently had a pretty nasty nightmare. She took a nap earlier on, screamed, it made me jump, right? Because it was transmitted. The first time she has transmitted a thought. Made Kiri jump and scared the poor hell out of Mark because it was on our frequency.

Skip: oh boy.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: how old is she?

Tia: she's about 25. It's hard to say with all that's been done to her.

Skip: oh boy.

John: yeah.

Tia: anyway, I'll see you guys next week.

Skip: okay, Tuesday or Wednesday darling?

Tia: Tuesday.

Skip: okay good.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Skip: good night.

John: good night. Thank you so much.

Tia: no problem at all.

John: I appreciate this.


(Tia now leads us into a different channeling session)

Tia: well where do I start? Let's start by answering questions.

Russ: alrighty. We're looking at now at the possibilities of travel and tourism within the boundaries of space surrounding our planet.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm wondering if that's such a smart idea at this time. Spending all the money on space stations and space projects when there's so much problems on at home.

Tia: yes and no, yes and no. You see, in space there are certain things that you can do that you can't do on your planet.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: yes it is important to heal the planet, it's also just as important to research things and facts. Now from space you can observe more about your planet than you can from your planet. It's like you hiking up to a hill, to the highest mountain in your little area there, and watching what's going on in San Francisco or even Sacramento. Now if you go up in an aircraft high enough, you can see more.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: so it's kind of a Catch-22 actually in my opinion.

Russ: well we have satellites to do all that, I'm wondering what the economic benefits are of actually building a space station and putting people up in space that we aren't already accomplishing with satellites.

Tia: well there's lots of things. You can see much more of the planet certainly with satellites that can be taken care of but I'm talking about growing things. Things that you cannot grow or make on your planet.

Russ: for example.

Tia: perfect ball bearings, crystals, certain medical drugs. The purity is much, much higher in space than on your planet.

Russ: hmm. Well being as we don't have much choice in where the money would go if it wasn't going to space is all that matters.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: for example, things like fusion power......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we're looking at thirty to sixty years away for its being available for public consumption.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: would the use of the money for that possibly speed up an alternate fuel such as that?

Tia: well that's a possibility but it really is a Catch-22. You see, once you're in space on a regular basis and you have people up there for long times, the fusion process will speed up because of the drive that is needed for a better and more efficient power for up there.

Russ: all right.

Tia: you see, it's kind of like.......history really isn't my field but I'm going to make some generalizations. It's kind of like warfare and aircraft.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now from what I've heard, the aircraft in 1914 were very flimsy and very fragile, right?

Russ: right.

Tia: and by 1918, they were fairly tough and robust and reliable.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and then 20 years elapses where there is some progress made but not wonderful progress and all of a sudden you have in the space of five years you go from piston aircraft to jet aircraft.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: you see what I'm saying?

Russ: so you're saying it would take a war for us to really get a good space....

Tia: no, no, I'm using warfare as an analogy.

Russ: right, but I know what you mean.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well one of the things they want to do with space travel is the use the moon as a resource for fuel.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hydrogen three from the lunar surface.......

Tia: yes.

Russ: apparently is quite readily available there.

Tia: uh-huh, especially around the poles.

Russ: uh-huh. They could mine it and use it to explore further and do more.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now, with that it's an enormous burden but at the same time, I agree that it offers a lot of opportunities for us.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with the scenarios that are approaching now, would it affect their outcome or not?

Tia: yes unfortunately.

Russ: in negative ways.

Tia: A, nothing changes and things progress. B, they cut back, they don't do as much, but they still continue. C, they stop totally. You don't want C to happen at all if you're into space exploration.

Russ: okay.

Tia: B in the long run is actually a positive thing because cutting back and economizing, makes them experiment with alternatives.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: A is of course ideal for the short run and possibly the long run but the factors are too convoluted and too unreliable.

Russ: okay. Now we stopped going to the moon quite a few years ago.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: many people believe it's just the official version is that we did so because there's nothing more to be gained from the surface.

Tia: which is bunk.

Russ: which is bunk.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so, is it some weird reason I don't know about that they stopped they just stopped going to the moon?

Tia: no, not really, most of it was fiscal. At the time there was nothing more that they could learn. It is very, very expensive. With the shuttle, it's actually now cheaper.
Russ: oh, okay.

Tia: uh-huh. Especially if you build a space station as a way station.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: you see, in the entertainment "2001", they have it quite correct that by building a space station, you fly up and then it's a simple stones throw or hop to the moon. Very, very simple.

Russ: now with this gas helium three on the moon, is that something that could be used to assist us here on the planet or is that something that's best left in space?

Tia: you're really asking the wrong person aren't you? You're asking me technical engineering questions when I am not a technical engineering expert.

Russ: okay, I'll ask Kiri when she comes on. So what else darling?

Tia: well.....

Russ: well what is Kiri holding up that you asked her to put down?

Tia: well Treene showed up.....

Russ: yeah?

Tia: and Alana is here........

Russ: yeah.

Tia: and Kiri keeps on picking Treene up.

Russ: so?

Tia: well it's very distracting, she supposed to be helping Teene.

Russ: what? With the engineering?

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, now where were we? Oh yes. You don't want to hear about my trip? I'm hurt, I'm crushed.

Russ: Mark told me all about your trip.

Tia: oh, what did he tell you?

Russ: he told me you got to meet some really great people, you got stay in a really great place.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you got to.....and then you also got to.......and then you come back.

Tia: I got to do what?

Russ: oh yeah, you got to hook up with friends of Kiri's.

Tia: oh, we had a blast.

Russ: oh, excellent.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: any good restaurants?

Tia: yeah, we went to a exclusive one. The great thing was that everything that I did was all VIP. I didn't have to worry about anything.

Russ: oh wonderful, excellent.

Tia: we went out, it must've been about a week ago, yeah, it was a week ago, it was a Wednesday night. We went out to a very, very exclusive restaurant. It's reserved for normally important dignitaries, ambassadors and senators and we went there, we got the best table in the house with the best view. We watched the sunset, we had some Sirian claret, actually we had quite a few Sirian clarets. And then they served me up a special, special meal.

Russ: ohh, what did they serve you?

Tia: they serveed me up an animal that is indigenous from my planet.

Russ: really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that is special.

Tia: uh-huh. It's like a rabbit but it has bigger legs in the front. It's kind of rabbit sized and shape but much more powerful legs. It has long ears like your rabbits do.

Russ: ahhh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that must've been a pain in the butt to get for you.

Tia: I can imagine it would've been. Tasted wonderful.

Russ: was it like chicken?

Tia: no, it has a kind of earthy taste to it.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: afterwards we went back to the house. It's not a house, it's a mansion. Five bedrooms, it had a big playroom, big playroom. It had a kitchen with a staff believe it or not.

Russ: wow.

Tia: staff of two, I could order whatever meals I wanted. I had a study and it had what I think you would call an entertainment room?

Russ: you mean like videos and things like that?

Tia: what it was videos and exercise equipment and all kinds of stuff in there.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: the playroom was very entertaining.

Russ: well wonderful, what was in there?

Tia: sorry?

Russ: what was in there?

Tia: there was soft toys and lots of cushions and it was a very nice room.

Russ: excellent. And did you get a chance to get yourself on holos around the planet there or something as a visiting dignitary?

Tia: when I arrived, they did have a couple crews following me around but as soon as I got to the house it was close the door, locked the door, I just wanted to relax on Monday and then we had the formal function on Monday night. The formal greeting and everything and that was a pain.

Russ: a little pomp and circumstance?

Tia: uh-huh. They wanted me to talk and say how much of a pleasure and an honor it was to be there and all's I wanted to do was hide.

Russ: well it was a pleasure and honor to be there.

Tia: oh it was, it was. It was just very hard for me to stand up in front of 800 people and address them.

Russ: should've drank more champagne.

Tia: you know me and wines.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: I have a couple glasses and I fall down.

Russ: which is why mentioned it. It would've loosened you up nicely.

Tia: it would've loosened me up too much. And then on the second day, I had a meeting with the president and a couple of ambassadors and the Council of Twelve.

Russ: so how was Tanaka?

(Ed. note: the president of Sirius)

Tia: he's doing well.

Russ: is he enjoying his job?

Tia: I don't think so.

Russ: I don't think so either. Did you get to see Gonzo while you were there?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and how is Gonzo? How is she doing?

Tia: well she's very stressed as well about the whole entire thing.

Russ, she's a mother now.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: she's got motherly duties over everything else.

Tia: uh-huh but she was very stressed the fact that they had to host my luncheon and everything and she was trying to be the perfect hostess and take care of things and.....

Russ: well I know she'll understand if she screwed it up.

Tia: well she wasn't concerned about me, she was more concerned about screwing it up for other people.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh well. Did you get to spend any quality time with them?

Tia: unfortunately no, it was all business. I had the third day pretty much free. I had a kind of a visit to make to a clinic on the third day. The fourth day was pretty much sitting in on Council meetings and putting my two cents worth in.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: the fifth day was a meeting with the Council of healers.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: well healers and coercers actually which was very entertaining and funny for me.

Russ: you may get out of you what Sarra said?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh that figures.

Tia: uh-huh. They tried coercing me and probing me and everything and I just retreated within myself.

Russ: well that figures.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that would be the topic of conversation on the planet.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what did Sarra tell Tia?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: only Sarra and you know.

Tia: uh-huh and that's the way it's going to be. I'm going to put on the next speaker is I have to go and chastise Kiri.

Russ: chastising it, chastising it, I want to watch.

Tia: oohhh.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: I suppose you would prefer to watch a spanking.

Russ: a spanking, a spanking.

(from Monty Python)

Tia: are all third dimensional males like that? Oh well.

Russ: bye love.

Tia: bye.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Karra gives us some base information)

Karra: hello.

Russ: so how are you doing my love?

Karra: I'm doing good.

Russ: good.

Karra: I'm doing real good.

Russ: so, what's been going on?

Karra: well, I did a session with a couple the other day that wants to go home. They're not enjoying themselves on the base.

Russ: what's not to enjoy?

Karra: well, they miss being able to walk many, many miles. They're very much into hiking.

Russ: ohh.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that would be a little tough down there on the base.

Karra: uh-huh. They've been here a year now and they're really not enjoying themselves. Also I've had numerous meetings with various officials that have come to the base in relation to the upcoming talks.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: uh-huh. So that's kept me pretty busy.

Russ: can't they just go up on the surface and walk around?

Karra: you've got to remember the laws of.........

Russ: fifth dimension.

Karra: yes.

Russ: that's true.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: so what's the problem?

Russ: fifth dimension is a very convoluted kind of dimension.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it would be a very tricky route.

Karra: oh yes. Okay, I will use Kiri's analogy and I will try to mimic Kiri which doesn't work.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, in its simplest form.......and this is very simple.....let us say you are sitting in a room that is in a fifth dimensional space. In fifth dimensional space, things are not as they appear. Let us say you are sitting down at a table to eat. In front of you is a plate full of your choiceiest food that you really enjoy.

Linda: I'm hungry right now.

Karra: uh-huh. You may be able to understand this easier with a hungry stomach.

Linda: uh-huh.

Karra: okay, you reach down for your fork but your fork is the same distance away as before you reached for it even though your arm is fully extended. So you reach for it again leaning forward and it's still the same distance away. You get up and walk around the table and you pick up the fork. You reach over for the plate and the plate is still the same distance away even though you reached for it. You see, the thing is with fifth dimensional space is that because of the physics, things don't appear as they are. Another way to describe it is it would take four steps to cross this room. In a fifth dimensional space, you could get up and you could walk all day and never cross the room. However, if you sat down for five minutes and got up, it may take only take one step to cross the room. So it's not a constant distance thing. It changes frequently.

Russ: so what causes that Karra?

Karra: you're asking the wrong person.

Linda: do you have this problem?

Karra: not where we are........

Linda: oh.

Karra: fortunately.

Russ: no, they're in a sixth dimensional bubble.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: you know what? The only way I can understand that is at nighttime?

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: headlights of cars if I'm going to cross the street, they seem to be further away or sometimes closer.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: and it's really hard to judge if I should run or if I can walk across the street.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda: to have enough time to get onto the other side.

Karra: yes, it's kind of like that. It's kind of like you're never sure on the judgment of distance.

Linda: yeah. The light almost blinds me a little bit.

Karra: uh-huh. It's like you could have a room this size, right? But inside the room it is huge. It's big enough to walk and run all day and never reach the other side.

Linda: photography does that wonderfully.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes there are actually, thinking about it, there are some good examples that Russ has seen over the years. A picture of a person standing in a room, and they're standing in the corner and they're all hunched over but yet the person standing next to them looks real tiny and they're standing in the other corner.

Linda: yeah, I've seen them do that.

Karra: and that's kind of like the fifth dimensional space.

Russ: actually, it reminds me kind of like that Knott's Berry Farm when I saw when I was really, really young.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: where they had water that ran uphill...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and a pool table that was angled but the balls still rolled all over like they were going downhill?

Karra: like they were going uphill.

Russ: yep.

Karra: so that's basically how the fifth dimension appears.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Karra: okay, as it's going to be a short session tonight, you have any more questions?

Russ: I don't, no.

Karra: Linda?

Linda: I don't have any, that was a trip Karra.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay......

Russ: bye love.

(Tia makes a quick speaker transition)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Linda: hi Tia.

Tia: hey, hey, hey. Okay, well it's just us girls tonight.

Russ: Kiri behaving herself?

Tia: no. Okay, I'll put on the next speaker.

(Alana makes one of her rare appearances)

Alana: hello.

Russ: hello.

Linda: hi.

Alana: hey, how's it going?

Linda: good.

Alana: yes, I know, I sound like my mother.

Russ: uh-huh, that's all right love. Alana, I don't know if you've met Linda yet.

Alana: no I haven't. Alana this is Linda, this is Karra's daughter.

Linda: oh.

Alana: it is a pleasure and a delight.

Linda: yes, you do sound like your mother.

Alana: thank you. I am not my mother though.

Linda: that's who I thought it was right away.

Alana: uh-huh. I am primarily........I suppose I better do some kind of introduction type thing.

Russ: a bio.

Alana: oh, a bio. I am primarily a marine biologist.

Linda: oh wonderful.

Alana: uh-huh. I work a lot with dolphins...

Linda: I love dolphins.

Alana: I'm also a linguistics expert. And I do a lot of work with the dolphins understanding and comprehending their thought processes and their communication abilities. It's very entertaining and interesting. I get to swim a lot.

Linda: oh.

Alana: I'm also the mother of three children.

Russ: one of them is mine.

Alana: uh-huh.

Alana: like my auntie, in fact I'm very much like my auntie I've been told.....

Russ: that would be Kiri.

Alana: uh-huh.

Linda: okay.

Alana: I am very, very inquisitive. My biggest goal in life is probably learning to understand more.

Linda: oh, that's wonderful....

Alana: uh-huh.

Linda: to have that one. Curiosity and yet absorption to that ability...

Alana: uh-huh.

Linda: and then to have good people around you that actually feed you with the correct information.

Alana: yes it is, it is great. Correct information can be a perception.

Linda: yeah.

Alana: what is correct for one person may not be correct for another.

Linda: exactly.

Alana: uh-huh. I also enjoy practical jokes, don't I Russ?

Russ: indeed you do.

Alana: okay, do I have to give a talk?

Russ: no.

Alana: hmm.

Russ: unless you have something prepared and want to.....

Alana: no I don't actually. I came wandering down on the spur of the moment to see my mother and my auntie.

Russ: well I'm glad you did, we haven't seen each other in a long time.

Alana: no we haven't, I've been very busy.

Russ: you haven't channeled in a few weeks.

Alana: few months, since before the birth of the baby.

Russ: that's true.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: so how do you like being a mother of three now?

Alana: it's a lot of work. I'm not going to have any more for quite a while.

Russ: well that's probably good.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent. How are the dolphins doing? How's that one from Earth?

Alana: it's finally fitting in.

Russ: okay.

Alana: I spent a lot of time communicating.

Linda: do they communicate differently?

Alana: uh-huh.

Linda: or do they look different?

Alana: they don't look any different. In fact, the longer they're up here, the more they look like the dolphins that we have up here from Sirius.

Linda: oh. Are they very beautiful and innocent looking and they love to play?

Alana: oh, do they love to play?

Linda: that's what I love about them.

Alana: they're very mischievous, very playful, they have a wicked, wicked sense of humor.

Linda: why, what is it?

Alana: well I was diving and I was about thirty units down in my.......I have my air unit on and one of them decided that it wanted my air unit. So it came between my legs, up my back and took it clean off. Almost ripped my shoulders off and then made off at high speed.

Linda: oh no.

Alana: oh, it was easy to swim back up to the surface but it was a little hard on my lungs to climb such a distance.

Linda: oh man.

Alana: I don't think they would've let anything bad happen to me. But I tried to get it back and I would swim up and the dolphin would look at me, blow water at me and then just back up just out of reach.

Linda: oh.

Alana: so I would swim closer and it would blow more water at me and back off. Finally I was within reaching distance, I went to grab the air unit and it made a run for it. Right between my legs, went down deep.

Linda: oh geez. And they're smart so they kind of know what that was for.

Alana: uh-huh. I thought it was very funny actually.

Linda: well I'm glad you're all right.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: how's Miranda doing?

Alana: oh she's doing good, she's behaving impeccably.

Russ: excellent.

Alana: uh-huh. She's at the moment back at the apartment, she should be in bed and everything.

Russ: oh that's good. Have you had a chance to interact with your mom when she's doing the ambassadorial thing?

Alana: I make formal appointments.

Russ: with mom?

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: really?

Alana: well, it's a matter of respect.

Russ: well that's true.

Alana: I do invite her over for dinner and lunch every so often.

Russ: that's good.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent, excellent. And your girlfriend?

Alana: she's doing fine.

Russ: good.

Alana: uh-huh. She's going to be gone for six months unfortunately.

Russ: oh, what's up?

Alana: she's going to Sirius for a refresher course.

Russ: six months?

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: long refresher course.

Alana: well, it's an opportunity for her to work on the latest equipment and get some refocusing.

Russ: oh, that's good.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent.

Alana: I think she needs it a little bit.

Russ: well we're having a short night this evening.....

Alana: oh, okay.

Russ: so we've got......I think we've got Kiri left.....

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: if I'm not mistaken. And are you going to be coming by more often now maybe?

Alana: I'm going to try, I'm going to try.

Russ: if you can it would be great.

Alana: okay. And I will work up something for.......Tia was quite correct, that is very distracting.

Russ: I agree. I'll try to stop up and say hi to you and Miranda and your girlfriend if she is there.

Alana: I suppose mother's projecting is she?

Russ: uh-huh.

Alana: okay.

Russ: all right, bye love.

(Tia is back to make the night's last speaker change)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Kiri....or Tia.

Linda: hi.

Russ: I was expecting Kiri.

Tia: oh yes, I would expect Kiri. Okay.....

Russ: break her away for long enough.

Linda: what is she doing?

Russ: oh, she's just having fun.

Linda: oh good.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Kiri ends this session with a design intervention)

Kiri: hello.

Linda: hello.

Kiri: how are you doing Linda?

Linda: I'm doing great.

Kiri: that makes two of us.

Linda: good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yes, I'm doing good too love.

Kiri: oh, you are?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: hmm. Okay, I suppose I should answer questions.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: well?

Russ: well, I've got a couple for you.

Kiri: yes, I would like a couple.

Russ: on the gases that are trapped on the moon....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oxygen three. It uses on earth, would they be a benefit to earth or is it strictly something that should be kept in space?

Kiri: it would be a benefit, depends how you use it. Like anything, if you use it wrongly, it can be very detrimental.

Kiri: hydrogen three is very useful, very, very useful. Now, why is it called hydrogen three?

Russ: because there's three atoms of hydrogen.

Kiri: that's right. And being so, it means it's more potent. Now, if you know anything about fusion, that is one of the ingredients.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and this is very hard for me to focus.

Russ: well hydrogen fusion is merely something where they superheat the hydrogen molecules so that they bond together.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and the energy released then is used to power reactors.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so when you take a hydrogen three molecule as a difference, you're tripling the amount of energy output.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: but you still have to still use the same amount of energy input to get those temperatures, right?

Kiri: uh-huh, correct.

Russ: so all you're really getting is extra energy out for the same amount of energy put in.

Kiri: yes, or if you put in less energy, you get the same amount as energy you would if you were just using Hydrogen two.

Russ: okay. But is it worth the expense of going all the way to the moon and getting it?

Kiri: well if you're using the same amount of energy that you would normally and you're getting one third the extra performance, I think so.

Russ: that's a long trip for a bunch of hydrogen three.

Kiri: being able to go one third the extra distance? I think it's worth it.

Russ: well what they need is a way to actually fuel their ships once they get to the moon from the hydrogen three.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, what's the other question I had for you?

Kiri: yes I am.

Linda: you are what?

Kiri: in one of those moods.

Russ: well......

Kiri: but the thing that I enjoy is that when I'm wearing something sexy, like a........I think it would be similar to your Wonderbra? But it's a cross between a Wonderbra and a halter top?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: it's what Russ called a willpower bra?

Linda: hmm.

Kiri: wearing something like that that really tantalizes, really kind of makes people drool if you know what I mean.

Linda: gleek?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. So I've been working on on in my free time on those designs. It's all for fun, all to tease. If you want, I can give you some designs?

Linda: how would you give them to me?

Kiri: I can write with paper and inscribing instruments.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: but not tonight.

Linda: okay, I'd like it if you did that because I would be buying a sewing machine for winter.

Kiri: uh-huh. Oohhhhh.

Linda: because I love to sew.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, well we'll work out some......I've got a really, really hot swimsuit design that you might like.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: you know how you have bikinis?

Linda: yeah?

Kiri: well this is a trikini.

Linda: a trikini?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: how do you wear a trikini?

Kiri: well, it involves a little bit of Velcro and there's two ways that you can wear it. You can wear it as a bikini which has a tiny, little, almost invisible strap that you have and it's kind of way to describe it is that it's two pieces of material intertwined like this?

Linda: uh-huh.

Kiri: and you have to put on one side before you put on the other side and it sits really high on the hip.

Linda: oh, it sounds cute.

Kiri: uh-huh. And you have to have the Velcro to hold it together.

Linda: okay.

Kiri: yeah, that normally goes on the crotch area.

Linda: and it doesn't come undone easily?

Kiri: no, it's something you don't swim in.

Linda: oh, okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. It's for looks.

Linda: oh good.

Kiri: uh-huh. And then of course you'd wear something like an underwire bikini top.

Linda: hmm.

Kiri: kind of push you up a little bit.

Linda: oh, I got one of those.

Kiri: uh-huh. It's again, all for looks. And it's a lot of fun too. And then there's another design that I have which actually has a piece of semi-hard plastic in the front which again goes between the legs. And it kinda looks like you have no straps to hold it in place and how does it stay in place? Hmmm?

Linda: I don't know.

Kerry: it kind of pinches into the skin a little bit. It kinda cuts like this and pinches in.

Linda: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh. But you use a fabric over the top of it.

Linda: oh, okay.

Kiri: and that just slides out so it's real easy to laundry....

Linda: hmm?

Kiri: real easy. Okay, you have any questions?

Linda: hmm, I can't think of any.

Russ: well, I had one and then and now you're talking about bathing suits, wiped it out of my head. I can't think of what it would be now.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so what else has your life been doing? Any new engineering projects you're excited about?

Kiri: actually, I've put a few on hold at the moment mainly because I can't focus and concentrate properly.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: it's not due with the fact that I was ovulating or anything, it was just the fact that I was getting to the point of a little bit of overload on work.

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh. So I thought I would ease up and construct a hold of toys and stuff.

Russ: oh, sounds like fun.

Kiri: uh-huh. In fact, I was working with Bunny's design for her sister. For Leah and that little project that those two are working on.

Russ: excellent.

Kiri: uh-huh. Figured out a few things that I can do to fine-tune it and make it much more effective and much more, much more beneficial.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Kiri: well how much time do we have left on the tape? Should almost be over.

Russ: I can't tell, it's actually too dark. But you're right, we've got about another one minute, two minutes here.

Kiri: oohhh.

Russ: well I'm glad everything's going good for you right now.

Kiri: uh-huh, I think so.

Russ: excellent.

Kiri: oh, guess who got her rollerblades back?

Russ: I expect a nice broken arm soon then. Kiri breaks her arm every time she gets these things.

Kiri: hey, I've had them back for about a month. They're a great way of getting backwards and forwards from the lab.

Linda: you break your arm on rollerblades?

Kiri: I broken my arm twice so far.

Linda: I broke my tailbone once on skates.

Kiri: oohhh, that hurts.

Linda: yep, just had a bad fall is all. So I've got a little hook on the end of my tail......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Linda: just like a cat.

Kiri: kind of like Tia.

Linda: yeah.

Kiri: apart from Tia's actually protrudes out of the skin.

Linda: oh, mine does too.

Kiri: oh really?

Linda: yeah.

Kiri: maybe there's been some genetic manipulation going on and you're descended from Durondedunns.....



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