Future Myths of Present Days- Channeled (12/17/96)

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Archivist Notes: February is a time of myths and magic. From groundhogs to Cupid, to the Rams winning the Super Bowl, with this channeling session you get the impression it's because every day we live and everywhere we go we're surrounded by both. We get the world we see handled by Tia, the unseen world explained by Omal on side one with the magic that healing and coercion were once thought to be covered by Karra and Kiri on side two. With Tia, it's all about the secret government, all those civil servants below the cabinet secretaries in governments working behind the scenes to keep the railroads on time as they say. With Omal it's a thousand years into the future we go to discover where we and all we have done are just a myth. We're left wondering after that over the unasked question of if something as simple as a webpage or a channeled conversation could become one more myth or legend in some far off future. With Karra, it's all about the ways to heal naturally which is magic to ancient civilizations but is beginning to gain a foothold in society today. Kiri teaches another course on coercion which has also seemed like some magical ability in both olden times and new. What it really points out is the futility of the small little irritations that affect a person's happiness when stacked up against the immensity of time. Speaking of time, we have to get even more into the 96 hours of channeling a day taking place at the end of this summary.

   Mark has a slight cold prior to leaving his body which is one of the things Tia brings up immediately. From there we get serious as stock markets and the government are the main topics of conversation. Firstly the stock market gets her expert take on the results post-election before moving on to the mechanisms behind the turning wheels of society, the secret government. The scores of civil servants carrying out the wishes of those above them while possibly pulling their own strings at times. Along with that was the stocks market swings and how they could be a product artificial stimulation where changes could be planned in advance. Her main concern was things getting out of control economically with a crash the end result. Tia gets up after that to let Omal take her place and he gets right into answering questions about the time of myths and legends. He's so on the mark with his reminder that it would be a mistake to think we are no longer living in a time of myths and legends. How can you look so far into the future that what we take as a major event now someday may only be a story remembered like Atlantis. Related to this subject are devas of whom myths and legends abound. That is what he addresses next as we with the various gods and goddesses throughout history who we know only from beliefs in the unseen and unknown. The elemental kingdom is an incomprehensible one but Omal brings it into context by providing a logical explanation for it along with how devas are born. We get to the end of the side with Omal giving us a lesson on thunderstorms that would surprise a lot of people as it did us. He ties it all together at the end by connecting the devas and storms in another his excellent dissertations. 

   Omal has stepped out of the channeling field as side two gets started so Tia ushers in Karra to work with us on a question concerning healing. The question was how to determine the best course to take when deciding how to heal someone. Her entire time speaking focuses on that answer and to provide it she demonstrates how asking a number of question and listening to the answers or lack of answers is the key. With the help of our guest joining the session, she is able to get from him all the tools needed to provide a quick solution to him from what he said. As for my observation and analysis, it was a point of missing all the clues given which provided a separate lesson to be learned from her time channeling. That question's answer was all we had time for as Kiri takes her sister's place to go over her field of expertise, coercion. Unfortunately this is also the point on the tape where interference on the tape degrades the sound quality for short periods to add a buzz that had been lacking with the previous speakers. With all the work we had been doing with her in practicing what ability, an increase had been been seen in all of our skill levels thanks to her instruction. Now it was a case of getting the skill more developed for what would be faced in future coercive exchanges between others here on the third dimension. As we get to the end of the tape, a simple question about the channeling they do on the base leads to the revelation that channeling to groups like ours is almost a constant operation with fours rooms set up for channeling taking place for a combined total of 98 hours a day. That amazing statistic gave us a far better idea of the lengths the base goes through other than just our protection to help us in our goal of consciousness growth on a global scale.        

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


2.)(19:08)- Omal reminds us that the time of myths and legends isn't over but is taking place even now. We also take closer look at devas and their ability to manipulate nature to serve their purposes.

1.)(00:26)- Karra answers the question about having so many options available to heal, how do you determine which to use. Her answer is a demonstration with the two people in the room on how to start.

2.)(16:10)- Kiri offers a suggestion for when a person might have to go up against a coercer in a coercive battle plus lets us know of how the channeling happens on the base, all 98 hours of it a day.

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(Tia begins the channeling session)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hello. We're online, weíre live, center stage?

Russ: not quite but weíre getting there.

Tia: what do you mean not quite?

John: yeah, weíre online.

Russ: really? Okay, bonus.

Tia: bonus, whatís bonus mean? It means extra right?

John: extra, yeah.

Tia: oh okay.

John: yeah if thereís a bonus it means thereís extra.

Tia: uh-huh okay. Well, here we are once again gathered together with Mark having a slight cold in the nose. Where should we start? What do you want to know?

John: stock market.

Tia: stock market. Well it went up 34 points today after having gone down in the past two weeks approximately 250 points.

Russ: so it's starting to rebound.

Tia: not necessarily, not necessarily.

John: itís a slight increase after a big decline basically.

Tia: no itís not an increase, itís a recovery.

John: okay.

Tia: an increase suggests that it made back the 250 points that is lost and then added 34 more which is not the case.

John: okay yeah, yeah.

Tia: so, what can we draw from this little bit of information that it has lost close to 220 points?

Russ: itís a steep decline instead of a sharp drop?

Tia: uh-huh so thatís why weíre using the formula okay?

Russ: so how many points are we now at?

Tia: weíre at 28 I believe. Any time itís over 25 points or under its a half a point. What we can deduce from this current decline is that things are happening not exactly as we predicted which is good. I donít like being right all the time, in fact I donít like being right on these matters at all half the time but, the fact remains that there is a decline. Now after the boom of the first week and a half of the reelection of the president things looked real rosy and good. It climbed basically 300 points in that first week and half. Now, it's doing a course correction and has dropped 220 points which means that we have 80 more points to drop before itís back to what it was prior to the election.

John: now didn't Greenspanís announcement make a difference in this?

Tia: oh yes it did, it did most certainly and it shows how tenuous the stock market really is. The fact that your U.S. stock market reacted to somebodyís words in such a negative and violent way of 158 points is of much concern to me. NowÖ..

John: yeah but I mean thatís nothing thatís new, I mean youíre not talking about anything thatís new, I mean this has been going on for a long time on this planet.

Tia: yeah but somebody that is supposed to be financially astute and goes along and says something like that knowing full well of the ramifications shows that he is not the ideal person to keep A, keep his mouth shut and B, to be in charge of the Federal Reserve due to the fact that he canít keep his mouth shut. And the possibility percolates through the market that maybe heís not the most competent person to be in charge of the federal reserve.

John: yeah but I donít make the decision, we have nothing to do with that.

Tia: no but what Iím saying is, that these things happen for a reason and the reason is that people in the stock market are becoming aware of the fact that these people that are in charge arenít in charge. When theyíre given that little bit of freedom by their masters, they tend to make silly comments and rash mistakes and the question is who is in charge? And the stock market at the moment is wondering who is really in charge of the Federal Reserve.

John: Greenspan.

Tia: he is a figurehead as weíve covered before about the secret governments, they are the people really in charge. Heís not in charge, he is the figurehead. It is like who is in charge of Heavenly?

John: Mark Crocker.

Tia: yes probably he is really but....or who is in charge of Great Britain?

John: who is?

Tia: who is the leader of Great Britain?

John: well it's supposed to be the Prime MinisterÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I donít even know the guyís name.

Russ: John Major.

John: John Major?

Tia: but the actual person who is in charge of the government regardless of whether it is John Major or whatís his name Blair is Queen Elizabeth. But sheís not, she is a figurehead, she is in charge of nothing, she does what the government tells her to do. Who is in charge of the Japanese country?

Russ: the Prime Minister is supposed to be.

Tia: thatís right but the Emperor itís his government you see? Now the thing here is who is in charge of your government?

John: well itís definitely not Clinton.

Tia: exactly, so anybody in his cabinet right? Is therefore a figurehead. So anybody in charge of any department such as the Federal Reserve is basically a figurehead. As we have stated before in the past, the people that actually run the government are the people that are civil servants that have worked there their whole entire life. They are the ones that serve their masters as they call them but they are not their masters, they are the masters of the masters even though they're the servants of the masters. So you see what Iím saying? So these servants give their masters a little bit of leeway to have a little bit of free will and they go along and say something along the lines of what I've said and in turn what happens is that these individuals say these things and confidence is lost in them, their government and their political setup and the market does a runner. Now the question I have, and maybe I can extrapolate from this is, what if Greenspan read from his speech what was prepared for him to say and those in the government that are the servants of their masters deliberately set him up to say these things so that they could make a quick profit on what was said?

John: yeah, I imagine thatís possible but that's speculation at best.

Tia: Iíd say thatís quite likely, think about it right? Certain stocks are going great guns, you cause a panic right? And they sell off approximately 200 points. Now, you get out your money and you've been a civil servant and youíre in your let's say 40's and 50's right? And youíre thinking about retirement. What do you do? You get your master to say something thatís going to depress the price of the market, the market takes a nosedive, at a particular point you invest, put in all your life savings as it were and then you set your master up to say something thatís going to really get the market roller coastering upwards or sky rocketing upwards.

Russ: arenít you kind of using master in a contradictory term?

Tia: yes I am, Iím glad you spotted that. You see, they are supposedly the guys in charge but theyíre not. In this connotation, the term master, Iím using it more as a puppet, a figurehead. You see these political, civil servants use their masters, they use them very well and very effectively. So you see, theyíre not really in charge so ergo it doesnít matter who is in charge. In fact it wouldíve been less beneficial if Dole had been elected. Now here's something that you guys might not be aware of. Today, no yesterday was the day that the electrical colleges voted. The election was not decided on November the fifth, the popular votes were cast but not the electoral colleges. Now supposing the electoral colleges decided to vote for Bob Dole, who would be president?

Russ: Clinton.

Tia: no.

Russ: you mean after the fact they can reverse it?

John: excuse me, I saw Dole on the talk show last night and he is not the man to be the figurehead of this country.

Tia: no exactly, that is the reason why is because he would not be, heís a leader, a doer.

John: yeah but heís not in good shape.

Tia: when he is talking, he has a hard time because he's very self-conscious of his disability so he comes off as somebody that is not very astute politically but au contraire.

John: how would someone that has a hard time dealing with a large amount of people be the leader of 300 million Americans? I mean you know what I mean? Itís kind of dickery.

Tia: well he doesnít see all 300 million of you, he does not have to deal with no more than maybe a thousand people at a time. That he struggles with but he could carry it off. When he is at a large rally or at a meeting where there is maybe 20, 30,000 people, the sheer numbers intimidate him. How would you handle being on stage in front of 30,000 people? Either of you.

Russ: well if I knew I was doing it and was prepared I could do it only I couldn't wing it thatís for sure.

John: yeah, thatís something you'd want to be prepared for.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: he's got handlers to prepare for every one of those things.

Tia: yeah but it still doesnít overcome the biggest fear of people on your planet is speaking in front of large numbers. That doesnít overcome it. You can be prepared, you can sit down and go through your speech over and over again but you cannot still be prepared to deal with 30,000 people or 20,000 or 10,000.

Russ: well the debates were really good, crucial in that respect, Clinton just looked so much better.

Tia: well the camera spent so much time on him anyway. And the questionsÖ.

John: but at any rate, I mean this discussion's moot because President Clinton is leader of this country, Dole is nothing right now.

Tia: uh-huh, heís a private citizen.

John: yeah he's going to write a book, heís a private citizen, he doesnít have anything to do with our government right now.

Tia: donít underestimate that, he may be out of the government but somebody that had that much power is never outside the government if you know what I mean.

John: okay yeah.

Tia: so, what can we deduce without prodding you too much about the current economic situation?

Russ: itís artificially being stimulated.

Tia: uh-huh, and also itís teetering. Which way is it going to go? I donít know, I canít say which way itís going to go. Everything points to another increaseÖ

John: yeah, yeah, that's what I would guess that itís going to go up before it goes down again.

Tia: uh-huh. But hereís the problem, if it climbs up, it has been artificially inflated again. You remember before the election we talked about it being artificially stimulated?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: this is a prime example.

Russ: well isnítÖ..how controlled is the stock market?

Tia: very controlled.

Russ: so how can we see the huge decline that you're predicting? I mean that would suggest a complete lack of control.

Tia: breakdown, that would suggest a complete breakdown in the control system.

Russ: I donít see it happening but Iím sure as you say it will.

Tia: put it this way, you put your hands around somebodyís neck, you tighten right? They are in your control. As long as you keep the grip just tight enough to stop them from being strangled. Now if you relax your fingers, whatís going to happen?

John: theyíre going to start breathing again.

Tia: well theyíre going to struggle as well to get away from you.

John: right.

Tia: if you increase the tightness, what happens?

Russ: you strangle them.

Tia: strangle them and they will struggle for the life. So from this little analogy, right? The handlers and the servants are doing this to the market and their masters. Allís they need to do is relax just for a day or two days or increase their grip for one or two days and all hell will break loose for those two days which will mean that the market will be totally out of their control and in doing so, things will happen. Now looking outside your country, Japan. The Nikkei average has dropped close to about 300 points in the last month. The Financial Times Index has dropped close to 200 points in the past three weeks. The German stock market has dropped about 150. Remember what I said when we started looking at the market back in the summer.

Russ: uh-huh, down I would say.

Tia: uh-huh and youíre at the end of the line. Now is the time to watch the other stock markets around the world.

John: so we should keep an eye on the other stock markets?

Tia: okay, the three main ones are the F
inancial Times Index, the Nikkei average and the German stock market, I donít know what that one is called. You can pick up other ones like maybe the French stock market, the Australian and maybe letís say......thereís nowhere really elseÖ..the Russian stock market. The Russian stock market is a very interesting phenomena because itís new. That stock market will take some wild ups and downs and mean absolutely nothing except for real wild downs. Okay, letís move along. Okay as Iím ring mistress, this is the way weíre going to do it tonight. Okay we'll do side one for Johnny with Johnny being here okay? And then Johnny will get ready for work and everything and then weíll do side two and weíll do Kiri and mineís translations. Howís that sound Russ?

Russ: sounds fine.

Tia: okay?

John: sounds good.

Tia: okay.

(Tia coughs)

John: bless you.

Tia: I'll say.

John: or bless Markís body or whatever.

Tia: yes itísÖÖ

(she takes a drink of something)

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Omal takes the place of our resident ring mistress)

Omal: okay, greetings and felicitations, let us proceed.

Russ: greetings Omal.

John: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings. Okay, let us look at the questions that you have.

Russ: okay, question on mythology.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: back in our elder days when mythology and the telling of stories was important for teaching and passing on of lessons....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we've kind of gotten out of that tradition now to where we rely more upon television and news reports to get our stories and lessons from.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and with that loss we kind of lost our spiritual mysticism letís say.

Omal: yes and no but continue.

Russ: okay. What Iím wondering now is, are we returning to that original point then, we're coming full circle?

Omal: that is why I say yes and no.

Russ: oh.

Omal: let us look at a major historical event. Okay, how do you know that the battle of Gallipoli really happened?

Russ: from the people who were there.

Omal: uh-huh. Let us move forward in time a hundred years.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, this is 2096, how do you know that Gallipoli really happened?

Russ: same way, from books written by people who were there.

Omal: okay, let us move a thousand years into the future, this is 2996. How do you know Gallipoli really happened?

Russ: it might be some historical major event in our life for all they know.

Omal: no, that is not answering the question.

Russ: oh.

Omal: how do you know that it happened?

Russ: I wouldn't, I canít think of what it will be like in a thousand years.

Omal: okay now let us look back close to 3,000 years. How do you know the siege of Troy really happened?

Russ: stories from Plato and the fact that we found the ruins of it.

Omal: uh-huh, are you sure that those are the ruins?

Russ: according to Schliemann they are.

Omal: according to one person. Okay let us move forward in time a thousand years again.

Russ: okay.

Omal: how do you know that the battle of Gallipoli really happened?

Russ: well stories and hopefullyÖ

John: I donít know, you donít know for sure that it really happened if you werenít actually there. At the time of it, I mean youíve got to look to your history books and we assume this information is correct.

Russ: well there is one other way but itís not something I think will be used but could be would be a better study of past lives.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: okay.

Russ: in other words from past lives who were actually there, know the names they could say, ďoh yeah, well this Gallipoli and this is whatís going on.Ē

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: like for example people on Hades Base could tell you about a battle on Sirius because theyíre able to go backÖ..

Omal: and access their past lives.

Russ: and access past lives of that battle that were actually there and have eyewitness accounts. That's the only way can think of it.

Omal: okay so, youíve take a mythological event like the siege of Troy and you compare it to the battle of Gallipoli, what do you come up with? One is a myth and one is fact. A thousand years into the future, both are myths but you know now that one was fact most certainly by individuals that are still alive in your time.

Russ: right.

Omal: so, what does that imply about myths and storytelling?

Russ: that they basically are always going to be there but also they teach history.

Omal: correct. The story of the siege of Troy is a history lesson, a memory of a memory of a memory. The battle of Gallipoli is a memory.

Russ: alright, did the siege of Troy actually happen?

Omal: that is besides the point.

Russ: okay.

Omal: the point is that you are living in a time of myths and legends and stories due to the fact that what is happening now, in a thousand yearsí time may be a story, a myth or a legend. So do not say that you have moved out of the time of myths and legends. The fact that you have this communication device is besides the point, you are enhancing and spreading storytelling on a much wider scale then you could ever do from the Bard sitting in the market square telling a story of two lovers that decided to die because they could not marry. The storyteller that sits in the marketplace now sits in the corner of the room and can talk to you from any place on your planet or off your planet. So, what has happened to the storyteller?

Russ: he has evolved just as we are.

Omal: he is evolved into a mass of electronical components.

Russ: but if we lose that?

Omal: how can you lose it?

Russ: well let's say we donít have electricity okay?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: then we have no access to that electronic storyteller. Then we go back to just bare brains what we remember from our stories that were to us facts.

Omal: correct. So the storyteller has taken on more than one form, more than the gentleman sitting in the marketplace telling stories. You and you are both the storytellers, the storytellers of your lives. JohnnyÖÖ

John: yes?

Omal: you have a question.

John: yeah, I was just thinking about the devasÖ.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: the whole concept just fascinates me. But Iím not sure what I want to ask, Russ you got something? Want me to go?

Russ: go ahead if you want to continue that line of thought help yourself otherwise Iíll enhance on it if you want.

John: go ahead.

Russ: okay, on the story of devas okay?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm doing some research into some of the various entities who have existed throughout our lives as myths and storytellingís of the gods and goddesses and various deities and the different sects and religions.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and obviously through each basic civilization or community you find similarities between all of themÖ.

Omal: yes.

Russ: as they go along. But is this merely because of the fact that they represent a common theme or the fact that the devas take on the characteristics of each of the various places that they visit and pass those on?

Omal: it is more along the lines of the devas using existing stories, myths and legends to achieve what they want.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: if you look at some of your stories, there are talks of appeasing the gods.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: so the devas behave in a particular way to get what they want whether it is an area that nobody goes into that is their domain. For example the top of Mount Olympus, an area where they can live in peace and harmony and away from outside influences. Or if it is being brought gifts and having things planted and grown to appease them. Or a building built so they may dwell for a time in that place in a happy, relaxed state.

Russ: hmm, now the Indian or Hindu religion.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: has probably some of the most colorful deities or devas on the planet as far as their breadth of fullness that had been developed among them and from that Iím reminded of the ancient stories of UFOs and aliens encounters in India way back before written history ever began. Iím wondering how close these two are related?

Omal: yes they are quite related. You have to remember that the devas were one of the seven races.

(the races who came during the colonization of Atlantis from Sirius)

Russ: correct.

Omal: and the interreaction or interaction between the devas and the people of that area is something that has been going on for a long, long time.

Russ: now are the devas of India basically confined to that area orÖ..

Omal: no.

Russ: or they're worldwide?

Omal: theyíre worldwide. Some may inhabit an area for a thousand years or two thousand years because they are comfortable there. Others may wander around from place to place and cannot be held in one place for any length of time. Others may go as the wind blows them.

Russ: all right well how would youÖÖI mean excuse me, how would weÖÖ..

Omal: thank you.

Russ: my pleasure.....go about determining which devas happen to be hanging around in our area? Indian devas or Greek or Nordic let's say for example?

Omal: it depends on the individual. Some people can call devas, others feel their presence. It isÖ..one deva can have many aspects. There is a group of devas that for example are descended from one deva from the bacterial process in the way that devas spread and continue, the fact that they split in half.

Russ: correct.

Omal: so that a deva may have many parts to it and be many different individuals but it remembers that it was one once.

Russ: hmmm okay, this reminds me of a time where I ran a ceremony solo in which I was summoning a particular beneficial entity and a big noise banged on my window all of a sudden with nothing outside to show any physical presence.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: scared the living %^$&y*out of me. But I mean this is something that we talked about last week, devas taking on a more physical form, would this be a sample of that?

Omal: yes.

Russ: ahhh.

Omal: you have to remember that they inhabit an area between your world and another space and they will switch between them from time to time. At certain times they are more powerful and more physical than at other times. It is not the same for each deva.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: it is like a wave, sometimes they are very strong and present and other times they are very weak and hard to perceive.

Russ: this is the reason for ceremonies being held at a particular times of the moon or seasons.

Omal: for some yes, for others it does not matter.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: but for the people that worship the devasÖ.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: it is handy to have a time that the devas will be remembered and the devas become aware of that time and will act upon that time.

Russ: okay. An example thatís itís reminded me of Mark working with Diana and HerneÖ

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay so that we know that devas of that particular ilk happen to be in this particular area. Now for other devas, you would be merely calling upon entities that you feel close to and their ability to respond to that would demonstrate the fact that they are in this area correct?

Omal: correct but let us look at the devas that Mark works with.

Russ: okay.

Omal: what type of devas are they?

Russ: hunter and earth devas.

Omal: correct. What was in this area before your species, your race came?

John: Native Americans.

Omal: that did what?

Russ: hunted and dealt a lot with the earth.

Omal: correct. So it would be logical that they would present in the area. It is possible that they are of that family as it were, that line and kind of deva. Devas that are associated with the earth and hunting. Quite logical if you think about it so it would be logical that an area where there was hunting and worshiping of the earth, that there would be devas in that area of that kind.

Russ: so what about in like big cities, what kind of devas would you expect there? Probably none.

Omal: yes and no, it depends on the environments created.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: more playful and mischievous devas I should imagine.

Russ: indeed. So I'm trying to remember my history of mythological origins and trying to decide which other devas of that same brand are in other cultures. For example Nordic, I canít remember any hunting deities in the Nordic culture.

Omal: what about Thor, the God of thunder, he enjoyed hunting.

Russ: oh did he? See this is why Iím asking because Iím not really familiar up on Thor. Hmm and on the female side of that?

Omal: Frika, Fria, Fria was more of the ground, the trees.

Russ: thatís true.

Omal: Fria was the mother goddess of the earth.

Russ: well with as much Wagner gets played around here I suppose they might be hanging around.

Omal: it would not surprise me. In fact Tia has pointed out a time where Mark was being very foolish wearing a cloak and shoving his sword into the air in a thunderstorm and shouting, ďgo ahead, do your worst.Ē

(Russ and John start laughing)

Russ: good call, all right.....

John: lightning rod in hand.

Russ "I tempt thee."

Omal: well what does that tell you?

Russ: that there is a strong influence in that area for them and him.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and what that tells me is Markís got brain damage.

Omal: actually Mark was being very smart and clever. Here is a piece of information that you may not be aware of, water and electricity do not mix correct?

Russ: I disagree, they go quite nicely actually.

John: yeah, yeah, water's a good conductor.

Omal: yes, they do conduct but they do not mix. In a thunderstorm, you will have lightning and rain correct?

Russ: right.

John: uh-huh.

Omal: lightning takes place around the edges of the storm correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: when it is raining you are more deeply into the storm correct?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: so, with Mark thrusting his sword into a downpour of rain whilst there is thunder and lightning going around tells you what?

Russ: heís fairly safe.

Omal: correct and it would not surprise me if Mark knew exactly what he was doing.

Russ: well I can still remember incidences on golf courses in the middle of a rainstorm where people huddle under trees and they just got nailed by lightning hard.

Omal: yes, well they would be at the edges of the storm.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: for example, there is a golfer that got struck by lightning I believe his name is Seve Ballesteros?

Russ: did he get hit by lightning? Oh I guess he did, yeah.

Omal: yeah and he said that he saw the storm clouds coming, he heard the clap of thunder and that is all he remembers.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: it had not started raining at that point. Most golfers stop playing and head for cover when there is thunder and lightning around so that they do not get wet or struck by lightning.

Russ: right, Hollywood much to the difference of that.

John: well I donít know if I agree with that, I mean Iíve been in torrential downpours where itís pouring rain and there is very big bolts of lightning right in the middle of it. Itís common in Arizona.

Omal: I did not say that it does not happenÖ.

John: okay.

Omal: what I said was that often the lightning is around the edges of the storm. Occasionally you will get static charges that build up within the center of the storm. Now the clouds are all connected together and often it will be fed to the edges of the storm away from the water. Occasionally you will get lightning but for every hundred thunderstorms on your planet you will get one where lightning is unusual. But the vast majority of lightning strikes are around the edges of storms or gaps in the clouds.

Russ: yeah you might of been caught in that gap there.

John: yeah, I donít know what it was.

Omal: so the next time that you have a thunderstorm, I believe your season is overÖ

Russ: yeah.

Omal: look out and watch the thunderstorm and you will see that the lightning does not actually happen in the center of the storm, it is more on the edges of the storm. This happens because as the rain is coming down, it's carrying the charges out of the clouds so that it cannot build up in the centerÖ

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: where the downpour is. More to the outsides and gaps where there is not so much rain it can build up and therefore it has to be discharged.

Russ: interesting.

Omal: often lightning will jump from one cloud to another, that is because the positive and negative charges are creating the activity.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Omal: now dealing with the devas, sometimes the devas feed off of this energy to increase their mysterious nature. In your popular culture it is common to watch a thing on people of other religions celebrating their masses and there is thunderstorms and wind and rain and lightning, this is based partly in truth. The fact that devas will do this for their entertainment. Your Native Americans have their rain dance, it is a mutually beneficial setup for the devas and the natives of this continent.

Russ: yeah Iím trying to remember the deva that is worshiped by the Native Americans concerning thunder and rain or at least thunder. There is one, I canít remember its name.

John: it's different....

Russ: they see it is a God, just like the Nordic folk did.

Omal: uh-huh, it is the devas interacting in a particular way.

Russ: oh okay, affecting physical universe.

Omal: correct, it is manipulation of molecules of water and energy in a particular way that benefits the people. They are happy so the devas return the compliment for leaving an area alone or improving an area or whatever, they're given the gift that they most desire by using manipulation. It may not be one deva, frequently it is more than one deva. Some devas will work with an individual, some devas will work with a group of individuals, some groups of devas will work with groups of individuals or individuals. It depends on what the devas desire and what the people desire and how that beneficial arrangement can be achieved.

Russ: hmm, now hereís the $64 question, is there an Earth deva?

Omal: the deity that was mentioned was Frika.

Russ: oh.

Omal: the goddess of the earth and the mother goddess in reference to Wagner.

Russ: I see, it wasnít exactly what I was thinking of as far as a earth deva goes but thatís okay.

Omal: that is an Earth deva.

Russ: oh.

Omal: Gaia is another name.

John: two different names for the same deva?

Omal: not necessarily the same deva but the same family of devas.

John: okay.

Russ: oh, thatís why, then it's just a mental......

Omal: if I had said Gaia, you would have understood. As I said Frika, you did not.

Russ: right.

Omal: but it is the same deva or the same group of devas. On that note, live long, prosper and Iíll be back.

John: later dude.

Russ: good night.




(Tia returns and checks John's schedule)

John: I've got to be there at 10:30.

Tia: 10:30, okay.

John: yeah, so I can hang around.

Tia: cool. Okay, got any more questions for me?

Russ: not just yet.

John: later.

Tia: okay.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Karra joins the chat for her turn talking)

John: (yawns) boy.

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi Karra.

John: hi Karra.

Karra: howís it going?

Russ: good.

John: good.

Karra: okay......

Russ: how are you my love?

Karra: Iím doing fine but you are not are you?

Russ: I'm just working too hard.

Karra: okay, letís get down to business.

Russ: I live for Karra's amusement.

Karra: yes, it is very amusing dear, very, very amusing. The entertainment I receive shows no limits.

Russ: oh Iím sure my sweetheart. As for example I guess last night was most entertaining for you.

Karra: oh yes, pleasure and the joy was mine alone.

Russ: yes well Iím glad one of us had a good time.

Karra: it would have been better if you couldíve stayed awake all the time instead of me having to go, ďRussell, Russell, RUSSELL!!Ē

John: what, did you nod out on her?

Russ: a manís got to do what a manís got to do.

Karra: and sleeping is not high on the list in my opinion.

John: I mean he didn't nod out while he was making love did he?

Russ: Iím catching my energy back up here tonight okay? Iím feeling much more refreshed since I.....

John: oh my God.

Karra: a lady does not tell.

John: yeah, I got it. He nodded out while he was making love.

Karra: I wouldnít say so much nodded off but kind of came close a few times. But it is understandable in his debilitated state.

Russ: yeah two doubles in the row this weekend?

Karra: yes I do understand actually.

Russ: it was rough. But anyway, back to business.

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay, where do you want to take this?

Karra: the choice is yours.

Russ: okay, Johnny? Do you have anything before IÖ.?

John: go for it.

Russ: okay on healing, now we've discussed the various ways to healÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay and the problem keeps coming up for me is that with so many options available, finding the best one for that particular occasion gets a little confusing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and Iím wondering how you deal with a question like that and how you could help me deal with a question like that?

Karra: I go with what feels right at the time, what is necessary at the time. It also comes from experience. Remember, I am 50......nearly 50 years your senior and those 50 years give me that 50 years more experience than you have.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: so I can channel and focus the necessary energy that I think would work best.

Russ: hmm. Donít you have a set format you would use in particular circumstances?

Karra: yes.

Russ: so it would be a little easier for you as far as you would have a few more technological advances than I have available to me.

Karra: well the question is, if you've seen me working, remember when we were working with Carrie.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: we would talk first.

Russ: correct.

Karra: and I would ask her questions. Questions that I ask are designed by myself to have particular responses. Particular responses or lack of those responses tell me which way to proceed. Now I could give you a framework to work from or I could let you come up with your own questions to ask.

Russ: now weíve gone over this beforeÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: as far as the questions themselves are not that important.

Karra: no, it is the answers that are important.

Russ: right.

Karra: but you cannot get the answers without asking the questions.

Russ: well the questions are all coming at the spur the moment, thereís nothing you could say right now or a set format of questions you could ask.

Karra: kind of, kind of. There are questions that will trigger within me the next lot of questions. Russ, tell me, how was your day?

Russ: productive, stressful and (?).

Karra: uh-huh. What made today stressful?

Russ: just getting my shields straight I'd say.

Karra: what made you react in the ways that you reacted?

Russ: input and the various forms that it took today.

Karra: uh-huh, that is part of healing, is when youíre deciding what type energy and how to proceed with healing. You need those positive inputs, you need to have the full informationÖÖ..

Russ: well now you worked a lot with crystals with Carrie.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and she responded well to crystal work.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now thatís not true with everybody correct?

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay, so the answers that you get are depending a lot on whether you're going to be using things like crystals or no crystals.

Karra: correct.

Russ: and with no crystals, then you just go on straight with energy work?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: whereas with crystals, that helps you channel the energy.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay, so how would the personís answers determine whether they are working with crystals? Nevermind, I'm getting it. Well for the tape's purpose, we'll go ahead finish this out.....because they are responding well to questions concerning crystals and energy.

Karra: correct. It depends on if they're receptive to crystals or if they're receptive to energy work, you use the tools that you have at hand and with the information you are given. For example, if I was to heal you with your problems after questioning you and the answers that you gave me, guess what I would use?

Russ: energy work.

Karra: no, I would use Kiri.

(Russ starts laughing)

Russ: thatís a good tool.

Karra: yes, for the simple reason if you had not opened up, I would hand you over to Kiri and Kiri would peel you like....yes and she is bouncing up and down saying,"may I?"

Russ: saying, ďplease, please.Ē

Karra: no she did not say please, she said, "may I?"

Russ: oh, that's fine.

Karra: Johnny, do you have any more questions? Johnny, how has your days been?

John: few days off been?

Karra: uh-huh.

John: okay, a lot of rest......

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and they had a good, important meeting at work yesterday and that was really good and....but yeah overall yeah, Iíve mailed off my Christmas presents to my family and went to the meeting yesterday and that was good, really good.

Karra: what was the energy like at the meeting, youíve mentioned that twice now?

John: it was good, real positive and I had some good input and yeah it was good, it was.....it was good and Iím really glad Iím going off graveyard and back on swing shift and work is going to be more normalized. Itís been pretty hectic, tomorrow nightís going to be a real interesting night, Iím going to be starting the changeover back.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: but the remodeling has gone good and itís been an interesting challenge for me and Iíll be back on full time and Iím looking forward to it.

Karra: now the feeling that you get of going back on to swing is a relief correct?

John: oh yeah you betcha, you betcha. This graveyard shift just doesnít agree with me, Iíve had a hard time with it.

Karra: yeah, itís an energy drain correct?

John: oh yeah, you betcha, you betcha. Yeah itís been a challenge, I mean thereís no doubt about that but it was something that if I wanted to continue to work at this place which I do, I had to go through, I just had to go through this period. But yeah, yeah full-time on swing shift is a lot better than part-time on graveyard for me.

Karra: yes I understand. Now to help make the adjustment, what I want you to do is when you get home tomorrow morningÖ.

John: okay.

Karra: is to sit within the pyramid crosslegged, almost in the lotus positionÖ.

John: all right.

Karra: and pull in the energy around you right? This will make you feel comfortable and glowing right?

John: okay.

Karra: as you breathe in the air, the energy flows into your lungs and your body and with the air coming in and the energy coming in, it fills your body like a vessel that has been filled with white light. Okay, then when you get off on Thursday morning, we want you to repeat that.

John: okay.

Karra: uh-huh and then tell Russ or Mark what transpired so that it can be relayed to myself up here on the base.

John: all right, yeah I'll let him know what happened.

Karra: and thank you so much for being the perfect patient and explanation. Russ, that's how it's done.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: so much information with just a few words from myself, I learned a lot from Johnny in those few....in that what, three minutes?

John: yeah, couple minutes, yeah sure.

Karra: thank you for being the perfect patient even though it was unintentional I know.

John: well yeah, Iím just being, just being me you know?

Karra: uh-huh. Russ, what did you learn from that little exchange? Thank you.

John: yeah, thank you.

Russ: oh in general thatís how anybody, even me, brought about to reveal whatís been going on in their life.

Karra: uh, huh. What did you learn from that little exchange?

Russ: as in what?

Karra: as in what did you learn?

Russ: you asked how has your last few days been?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and he gave you a detailed explanation.

Karra: I learned that Johnny has very strong feelings about his family which I already knew, strong feelings about energies, strong feeling about work, the fact that heís been feeling drained and tired because of working graveyard. The fact that heís feeling energized about going back on to swing. Five things that spring to mind straight away and you did not pick up on any of them correct?

Russ: correct.

Karra: you have to listen. Now listen to this room and tell me what you hear?

Russ: heater coming on?

Karra: uh-huh.

John: you can hear them making snow up on Heavenly.

Karra: thatís good.

Russ: traffic outsideÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: off the left side of the room here...right side.

Karra: uh-huh. Clock ticking.

Russ: clock ticking.

Karra: the recorder whirring, I can hear Markís heart beating, I can hear your heart beating fairly loudly and I can just about hear Johnnyís heart beating. Now what can you feel in this room? Tension from you obviously.

Russ: obviously.

Karra: yes, because I am unfortunately pounding on your shielding am I not?

Russ: well Iím used to that darling.

Karra: uh-huh but itís important. The love that I have for you, I want you to do so well and when youíre tired and low on energy, I see that that is the opportunity to make these lessons stick with you easier than when youíre being playful and mischievous.

Russ: true and also I think this job is going to go well but I think this initial phase here is going to be a little bit draining.

Karra: yes it will be, we will work on that later on tonight, okay?

Russ: okay.

Karra: bye.

John: see ya.

(Tia's back and explains what was thought to be swearing earlier in the session)

Tia: okay, let me put on the last person.

Russ: okay.

Tia: and I will try to speak faster for you so doesnít like Iím swearing at you which I was not.

(Russ starts laughing)

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Tia: does that sound better?

Russ: thatís much better.

(Tia says goodbye again in Durondedunn)

(Kiri has her turn in the channeling field)

Russ: and speaking of guest appearances....

Kiri: okay, youíve got half an hour Johnny?

John: yeah, yeah roughly.

Kiri: okay and you donít want to be late.

John: no, I canít be, I canít be. Itís very important that I donít be, even a bit early.

Kiri: tell you what, pause the tape, pause the tape, Iíll put the kettle on.

John: all right yeah, I could go for a cup of tea before I go.

(the tape is paused and restarted after a kettle of water is put on the stove)

John: put the kettle on?

Kiri: yes, the kettle is on.

John: thatís good, I could go for a good, hot cup of tea before I go to work.

Kiri: okay.

John: all righty then.

Kiri: already, all righty already.

Russ: so youíre coming down to coerce me huh?

Kiri: I donít need to come down to coerce you. Actually talking of coercion, Markís developing quite well.

Russ: Iíve developed quite well.

Kiri: Johnnyís doing pretty good but the fact remains thatÖ

Russ: whatís going on? I mean why is all of a sudden coercion taking a big jump around here?

Kiri: because itís necessary.

Russ: well not so much that, remember we were discussing theÖ

Kiri: photon cloud.

Russ: photon cloud?

John: right.

Russ: and how some abilities are affected and some arenít? I believe coercion was mentioned as one of the ones that would be affected.

Kiri: yeah.

John: yes it would, definitely

Russ: so if this continues on that same line of thought right?

Kiri: yes exactly.

Russ: but why is it necessary?

Kiri: think about it.

Russ: well I meanÖ.

John: well itís a good toolÖ..

Kiri: exactly.

John: I mean coercion is aÖ..

Kiri: a very useful tool.

John: a very useful tool.

Kiri: depends on how you use it.

Russ: man I'll have to be careful because mine is coming on like gangbusters now. Feels like I've got to control it a lot more than I ever did before.

John: well thatís good though.

Russ: well sometimes it is and sometimes it isnít. My control sometimes leads into more personal desires and I have to like slap my ass down.

John: yeah but isnít that good though, isnít that beneficial?

Russ: well yes and no. Knowing the fact that....okay I want to practice it right? But I have my personal desires saying well this is how Iím going to practice it.

John: right.

Russ: so then I have to say no, I donít want to practice it like that so then all of a sudden my coercion isn't getting practiced. So itís kind of a catch 22 in that respect.

Kiri: no, you practice with it and the thing to learn is how do you overcome the personal desire, the fact that you want that nice beauty that you were chatting to, how do you stop your coercion from sneaking out and influencing her to be in a more congenial mood?

Russ: tame my hormones.

Kiri: no, you confront the problem, you look at it and you analyze it and see that you can control that urge.

Russ: I did real good last night, I did real good last night, I practiced real well on controlling that urge. So KiriÖ.

Kiri: yes?

Russ: in regards to Mr. (name edited) and the coercive battles that I know will ensue, tips and strategies my dear?

Kiri: tips and strategies how to deal with an amateur that is more powerful than you.

Russ: yeah. I mean that will make me more powerful but I need tips and strategies to get that part going.

Kiri: okay what you want to do is to avoid confrontation for one thing.

Russ: really?

Kiri: how do you change a coercerís mind when they want to do something? What you do is you return their probes back to them.

Russ: so that would come back to shielding again.

Kiri: no.

Russ: no?

Kiri: you let the thought into you right? Which means it has to do what? Penetrate your shields so youíre not expending the information within yourselves and you transmit it back to them.

Russ: but what about the concept of concave shielding we discussed at the very beginning of our little sessions?

Kiri: no, that would not work in this case.

Russ: oh it wouldnít?

Kiri: no.

Russ: oh, sounds good though.

Kiri: uh-huh.

(the tape is stopped to get the tea ready which is heard being poured in the background as it restarts)

John: yeah you're a lot more comfortable in Markís body now, a lot more comfortable.

Kiri: yes Iím working on another project in Markís body that could be fun and entertaining, something I want to experience. Russell?

Russ: yes that will put you in a unique perspective I would imagine.

Kiri: very unique perspective. Okay, I've got a little thing I've been meaning to try. Okay, I have both Mikeís eyes open.....

Russ: okay.

Kiri: which means that I have full control.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay? I can manipulate his abilities and whatever. Now, transmit a coercive thought and I will send it back to you.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: with Markís energy added to it and this is what you do.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay now think of a thought and I will count down with Markís fingers right? And with a hand, I'll go all the way down to one and then that should be the end of the transmission okay? When you're ready......

Russ: okay.

Kiri: five, four, three, two, one transmit. Okay, now did you feel the return?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? And you got your thought back plus the energy from Mark.

Russ: yeah, it wasn't overpowering.

Kiri: no. Now if you want me to do that and crank up Mark's ability to where he is at the moment instead of me being niceÖ

Russ: yes sweetheart.

(Russ laughs from the coercive exercise)

Kiri: see?

Russ: we can go about this all night.

Kiri: yes, I can crank it way up. You want me to crank it full on?

Russ: no, we'll be sitting here going back and fourth and it's going to waste time.

Kiri: no, each time that I think that I've cranked it up as far as it goes, I find that I can crank it up higher.

Russ: right, but me knowing that what youíre trying to do, it's kind of tough anyway.

Kiri: oh yeah that's right and what you can do is, you can tell Mark to return your coercive energy and see how you react. Just tell him to return it, I think he knows how to return the coercive thoughts.

Russ: okay. Well for the main part here I'll need to work on shielding anyway, shielding with a nice mirrored finish.

Kiri: yeah Mark's coercive ability is growing so be warned. And itís not growing at a slow rate, it is growing in leaps and bounds.

John: yes but all of our coercive power's growing....

Kiri: yeah.

John: but Mark's is growing at a faster rate because heís a grand-master?

Russ: I don't get it though.....

Kiri: not necessarily.

John: oh okayÖ

Kiri: it has nothing to do with his grand-master capability as a astral traveler.

John: okay, okay, now I'm glad I brought this up....

Kiri: yeah.

John: because I thought the two would be related but not necessarily.

Kiri: no, no they're not. As a rule, nine times out of ten they're not unless you are a little monster like Leonedies that's a super operant.

(her son with Mark)

John: oh okay, okay. So in that case with being a super operant, they would be related.

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: yeah like her astral travel abilities aren't quite manifested yet.

Kiri: oh, a mile and a half. "Hey super champ, mile and a half" and then Mark walks by and goes, "mile and a half?".

Russ: so what about shielding, how come that's not being affected by the photon belt?

Kiri: I donít know, youíre asking the wrong person the wrong question.

Russ: hmm. Okay, so we're going to get into a discussion on ceremonies?

Kiri: uh-huh yeah but we're kind of marking time at the moment. We might want a totally independent tape.

Russ: wait, I've got half a tape upstairs.

Kiri: use it.

Russ: yeah, I will.

John: oh you guys going to do another session here?

Kiri: well we're going to continue on with a tape recording on aÖ

John: on what?

Russ: ceremony.

Kiri: ceremony.

John: oh okay. Have you and Mark messed around with the recipes? The recipes that they were giving from Sirius and Duronedunn andÖ.?

Russ: oh no, no, we're going to work on that a little bit tonight.

John: yeah.

Kiri: (whistles) nice view.

John: thanks.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: I canít help it Russ.

Russ: pheromones in the air?

Kiri: yes it is as a matter of fact, we have three female technicians that are working in the booth right?

Russ: working in the nude?

Kiri: the booth. Well one's wearing panties and a T-shirt.

Russ: that's pretty damn close.

Kiri: uh-huh. Normally we have either two male technicians and a female or two females and a male.

Russ: Iím going to take a guess that Omal had to go off and do some business elsewhere.

Kiri: no heís actually talking to one of the technicians at the moment.

Russ: really?

Kiri: yeah, actually itís the one thatís in the panties.

(laughter breaks out)

John: far out, well......

Kiri: sheís looking very sweet and angelic in fact, I donít recognize her, I think sheís a new girl.

Russ: hmm, so sheís just coming in for the first time for one of these sessions?

Kiri: I havenít seen her before, doesnít mean to say that sheís not from the base.

Russ: you mean sheís probably done sessions other than ours.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: but nothing like ours.

John: how many different channeling sessions do you guys actually participate in besides ours? Can you tell me that?

Kiri: Tia has participated on one where she participated in three. Iíve only participated in one other overall of yours. Tia participates as a rule in two a week.

Russ: wow.

John: oh okay.

Russ: how many go on per week though I mean or how many per night roughly?

Kiri: there are four roomsÖ

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? Plus two portable sets, thereís the old portable set and then thereís the new one that is an approved version.

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: and I made most of the modifications on that one. There are.......an average channeling session lasts between an hour and two hours so letís say an hour and a half for average right? Four rooms right? Four is three, six hours per room.....perÖ....

Russ: per time frame.

Kiri: per time frame. Channeling sessions taper off at about 10:30 your time. They will start to cut down but there may be a free room. By 2:00 your time there are no more channeling sessions as a rule.

Russ: what time do they start at?

Kiri: they start at about four so there is a two-hour window where they can actually get in there, do any repairs necessary, clean the rooms because we canít have the self-cleaning units running because of the equipment in the room. They have to be cleaned by hand with special equipment.

Russ: wait, so four the afternoon they start?

Kiri: no, four in the morningÖ.

Russ: four in the morning they start.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: till 10 at night?

Kiri: about 10'ish, well they finish the last one as a rule, be out and done with by two in the morning then all the rooms will be empty.

Russ: youíre talking about 22 hours of channeling sessions a day..

Kiri: uh-huh....no, Iím talking of 98 hours of channeling sessions.

Russ: and how come it's only....we donít hear about this stuff? All we hear about is people like Kathumi and Lady Athena or something like that.

Kiri: because most of them are groups like yours that are small. How many people do you know have heard of your group?

Russ: quite a few now.

Kiri: yeah thatís because youíre on the Internet.

John: right, but I mean verballyÖ..

Russ: but why are we the only ones on the bloody Internet, I mean Hades Base should be like one the most popular topics on the planet with this much channeling going on?

John: I mean itís not like I run around telling people about our channeling you what I mean? And you don't do that either, I know you don't.

Russ: yeah but still, 96 hours, who watches 96 hours of television? Nobody right? And yet we got that much channeling going on out there across the world and itís not that big a world I hate to say it, itís getting smaller every day.

John: oh yeah but it is a pretty big planet. What countries do you guys channel in?

Kiri: canít tell you that.

John: you canít tell me that okay.

Russ: but nobodyís ever come back and saying, ďhi, we channel from Hades Base too.Ē

John: also you mean.

Russ: yeah.

John: yeah.

Russ: yeah also.

John: yeah, yeah.

Russ: nobody tells me, ďoh yeah, we know Tia, weíve met Omal andÖ..Ē

Kiri: Tia goes under a different name.

Russ: okay, well I know Omal doesnít.

Kiri: no, Omal does not, Tia does.

Russ: we never hear about Omal or TiaÖ

John: why does Tia use a different name? So Tia is Tia for us but when sheís channeling to another group she uses another name?

Kiri: yeah, from what sheís just said is that one of the people in the group is called Tia. So sheÖ.

John: oh okay, okay, soÖ.


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