(The Ring Mistress
gets the session started with a lesson in
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)
Russ: how goes it my dear?
(Tia expands on her greeting.)
Russ: good to hear. Ahh, sheís not
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: sheís upstairs.
Russ: (says one of the cats names in
Tia: (says the name in proper
Russ: right yeah, her.
Tia: I wasnít calling ďHurrahĒ.
Russ: oh, it sounded like it.
Tia: I was just asking how you were
Russ: oh, Iím doing good.
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: the inflection was kind of iffy.
Tia: ohhh, my inflection was kind of
Russ: well try it. Whatís the
difference between how are you and ďHurrahĒ?
Tia: (Tia sounds out the words in
Durondedunn.) Thatís who you call Mongi,
(One of the house cats.)
Russ: and how do you say how are you?
Tia: (we hear how are you in
Russ: it sounds a lot like the same
except for two extra syllables.
(Says the words in Durondedunn.)
Russ: okay, it sounds the same to me
but thatís just me.
Tia: itís a harderÖ
(Demonstrates once more.)
Russ: oh, well she's out anyway.
Russ: anyway, good evening.
Tia: good evening, how are you?
Russ: oh real well, real well......
Russ: quite relaxed.
Tia: uh-huh. So, okay itís going to
Tia: it is.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay letís look at the
market here. Okay, let us address the market. Let us
look at the stock market and the reason for its
rapid growth. Okay, let me see, how do I put this?
Okay, the problems and the crises in foreign markets
in the Orient are part of the reason for the wild,
upward trend of the U.S. stock market. The investors
in European countries and Asian countries that were
invested within those markets have pulled out their
finances and are investing in the U.S. market
because A, the political system is hogtied and the
government is not doing what itís supposed to be
doing which is running the country, itís fighting
amongst itself at the moment trying to remove or
indict orÖ..yes? Or indict its leader. And this
internal bickering and fighting and namby-pamby
manhandling and the upcoming elections and so on are
part of the reason why the market is on its upward
trend. This is not unusual but, due to the fact that
of the setup of the computer age, it makes it easier
to track and move vast sums of money in a very short
period of time. Instead of cabling, sending, going
to a financier and so on which is the way that it
used to be done before communication was almost
instantaneous. A good example is sending electronic
mail over the Internet. It takes a mere few seconds
to send a message and to transfer large sums of
money because of the global network. This in itself
is a two-edged sword, it makes things swift and easy
and it means also that negative things are swift and
Tia: (speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Tia: do you have any questions?
Russ: well with this ease of transfer
of funds, doesnít that make it actually harder for
people to control where the money is going?
Tia: in what way?
Russ: well I mean it makes it ripe for
theft doesnít it?
Tia: oh yes, yes it does and it does
happen but they have their own safeguards, they
being the banks. You see what actually happens is
that when you transfer large sums of money, it
actually doesnít leave the country theoretically.
Although the money is being transferred to buy
stocks and stuff right? It doesnít actually leave
the country. It stays within the bank of that
country that now owns those shares which in turn
sells it to the investor and it all happens very,
Russ: right, itís just electronic
Tia: uh-huh. So what the banks are
actually doing is using their reserves to buy where
the reserves are kept in the United States those
shares and in turn those shares are sold to the
buyer through a broker so that they're actually
buying the shares in their own country but overseas.
And what is happening is that when they buy, the
bank then goes with the money that they put in and
buys the exact same amount in currency.
Tia: this stops theft.
Tia: or helps to prevent it. Itís a
very tricky and convoluted system and it works
extremely well which is quite surprising actually.
Russ: I agree with that.
Russ: hmm, so basically fortunes are
being made and broken every day right?
Russ: hmm and all on the basis of
electronic money not real money.
Tia: correct. Itís the old adage of
it's all paper, itís all on paper.
Russ: right. Okay, when you say that
things could go wrong very badly, thatís due to the
fact that people could put in sell orders very
Tia: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: but now the safeguards are in to
keep that from happeningÖ..
Russ: but at too fast a rate it will
Tia: correct and the thing that is
still confusing me is why do they have these trading
curves in? If they didnít have the trading curves
in, it wouldíve reached 9,000 a few weeks ago.
Russ: well it started out at what
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: it went down at one point and
then started up to the point it's at now.
Russ: what point did it start at,
Tia: 7,500 was when it started the
climb but it was slow to start off with, it was very
jagged and slow and now within the last few of weeks
itís basically skyrocketed which is entertaining the
fact that it dovetails very closely with what is
going on in the White House. And getting to the
White House, it is funny to see that all these
people are coming out now that the president is not
in the country and there was another mysterious
death as well.
Russ: who died this time?
Tia: not quite sure, I only saw the
reports briefly but it was somebody that had
dealings with Clinton.....I think it was a owner of
a car company actually or a place that sells cars.
Tia: a car dealer
owner had a check for $20,000 from the
Whitewater whatever it was land management thingy
and he mysteriously died the other day.
Russ: was he too old or something?
Tia: no, he died in a car crash.
Russ: a car crash?
Russ: what a bummer.
Tia: very mysterious, I donít think
thereís been any president that has so many people
die around him mysteriously.
Russ: well Johnson did.
Tia: true, true but I think the
Clinton Administration at least has twice as many.
Russ: hmm, well thatís because you
have to count the Ron
Tia: yes, the Ron Brown accident.
Russ: which racked up a number all at
Tia: I think it was like 19.
Tia: but you see what Iím saying that
there is something very odd going on with this
Russ: well, I agree with that.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, hmm, do you know
why Clinton wears boxers?
Tia: to keep his feet warm.
Russ: thatís a good one.
Tia: okay, do you know what the new
game is in the White House?
Tia: swallow the leader.
Tia: donít like those jokes do you?
Russ: well I donít know, itís just
getting to be old hat with him.
Tia: yes it is and Iím getting tired
of going over the same things dealing with the
political setup. Itís really a protocol and moral
issue, the lack of ethics, the lack of morals and
the lack of protocol and itís something that is sad
Tia: you know what Iím saying?
Russ: but this sort of ties in with
where the countryís at right now doesn't it?
Tia: yeah it does unfortunately, itís
a direct reflection of what is going on in the
world. Now I haveÖ..
Russ: there's some countries that
actually honor that.
Russ: France for one.
Tia: yes. Now changing the subject,
Iíve sent my predictions in to be passed on to Omal
and Omal is going to pass them on to Ashtar and it
should be maybe a week, two weeks before I get the
Tia: in the meantime, Iím not going to
say anything due to the fact that the speculations
and lines of probability have to be analyzed by Omal
and Ashtar before I can say anything as much as I
would like to. I don't want to be a leak in the
Tia: so do you have any questions?
Russ: hmm, yeah I've got a couple
Russ: now in reading things into where
the countryís at right now, where the world is at,
there is a culmination between the financial and the
spiritual side of the worldÖ..
Russ: that is leading in a direction
that points toward growth.
Russ: while we know differently, is
that still enough that people are going to follow
through with that no matter what happens?
Tia: to a certain extent yes, there is
obviously much more growth in a spiritual nature as
can be seen by popular media, popular entertainment
and generally looking around that the people that
were once thought of as strange, bizarre, unusual
are now being accepted more and more. Itís more like
a new religion or a revival of an old, ancient
Russ: well it sort of reminds me of
the early Ď20's.
Tia: uh-huh, the revival into
Russ: correct but at the same time
there was a financial growth going onÖ.
Russ: that was sort of paralleling
that at the same time.
Tia: yes, very true so, very true.
Also something that needs to be looked at is the end
of the century symptoms, normal things that occur at
the end of centuries in growth in spiritualism, wild
investment, careless abandonment and what makes it
even worse and heightened is the fact of the turn-of-the-millennium
as well. So not only do you have turn-of-the-century
but you also have the millennium disease where
people think that the world is going to come to an
end on the night of 2001.
Tia: well as we stated in the past
when there have been predictions coming up of the
end of the world, ďoops, we missed it, we must have
all been asleep.Ē But...
Russ: well what happened in the
earlier part of the 1890's before we hit 1900?
Russ: letís say 1898.
Tia: thatís not the early part of the
1890's, thatís the latter part of the 1890's.
Russ: right the latter part but wasn't
that more similar to what you could be called now?
Tia: yes in a way it was, it was very
similar apart from it wasnít so feverish and
heightened due to the fact that you didnít have the
millenniumism going on as well.
Russ: true, that was just the change
of a century or a decade.
Russ: right but at the same time they
were going from a technological backwater to great
changes technology wise.
Tia: well at the time they thought
that they were reaching to the pinnacle of
Russ: right, I mean at the time I mean
you were getting labor saving devices coming in all
Russ: travel had become commonplace
Russ: where just 50 years before, you
were talking the wild West.
Russ: communications wereÖÖ
Tia: again almost instantaneous, a few
Russ: right, a few minutes delay but
not that much.
Russ: mail service was much, much
Tia: uh-huh. It still took about a
week for it to go from one coast to the other
whereas now it takes a couple of days or
instantaneously with the communication device.
Russ: right, now when we hit 1900,
nothing happened really outrageous.
Russ: but that was because there was
no millennium involved.
Tia: thatís correct.
Russ: so this is actually quite a nice
time to be alive.
Tia: uh-huh. There is an opportunity
right now for so much investment and advancement
that itís ridiculous. Not necessarily in the stock
markets but in the fear of the turn of the century
and the millennium. These people areÖ...thereís a
lot of people out there that are afraid of the turn
of the millennium.
Russ: right. When did Casey
do his stuff?
Tia: wasnít it in the Ď20's and Ď30's?
Russ: back when spiritualism was still
Russ: right. So in essence, weíre
seeing kind of a parallel in the same time zone.
Russ: hmm, now how does this affect
our changing toward a higher dimensional view? Iíve
read in the latest Sedona Journal of Emergence
something from Ashtar AthenaÖ..
Russ: being channeled through a ladyÖ.
Russ: talking about how the humans on
need to if they are going to move into a fifth
dimensional Earth existence, they have to
raise their auric vibrations or they will have moved
on to another school.
Tia: but again itís how things are
worded and how people read into things.
Russ: yeah well I mean this fifth
dimensional stuff, itís really getting old.
Russ: I mean people have really got
that so serious that it's almost the norm now.
Tia: yes it is and it is irritating.
The thing that Iíve noticed is that people,
especially channelers when they have the host body
they use the medium that is easy for people to
understand. For example if letís say Kiri wanted to
talk to a astral engineer right?
Tia: would you understand what they
were talking about?
Russ: of course not.
Tia: you rememberÖno she didnít talk
with whatís his name, the guy that had a debate with
Omal and Korton.
Russ: you mean Mike?
(Not Carrie's Mike.)
Tia: yes but I think that they
wouldíve sat there and discussed in great detail
stuff that would be totally beyond you or I. Kiri
would have probably got very annoyed with him very
Russ: well yeah, she doesnít have the
kind of patience that Omal has.
Tia: no or Korton. So you see that
channelers use the linguistics that is necessary to
get the point over. The fact that Ashtar Athena
frequently uses the fifth dimension as a explanation
is because everybody knows the fourth dimension is
Russ: right and the fifth dimension is
Tia: correct but not so many people
know that, that the fifth dimension is space soÖ..
Russ: well still, I mean how does that
relate to our being able to move into it?
Tia: because it is a name, nothing
Russ: well it was a popular rock group
back in the Ď60's.
Tia: what, Fifth Dimension?
Tia: well in actual fact itís the
sixth dimension that she means but she's saying the
fifth dimension because itís easier to understand
for the everyday person.
Russ: but that merely perpetuates the
Tia: correct and if she was to sit
down and every time she channeled and try to explain
that the fifth dimension is a work space, here is
how it works and that you will moving to the sixth
Russ: well it gets kinda old being the
only ones who are actually pushing something like
Tia: no itís not, you just be very
patient and explain that the name is irrelevant and
the fact that what does matter is the spiritual
growth which everybody agrees on.
Tia: yeah it is a popular
Russ: but I canít understand the part
where she says that people who are not in their
auric fifth dimensional vibrations will not continue
on this planet. They'll go on a new school and so on
and so forth.
Tia: uh-huh now this channeler, this
host body, was it a conscious or trance channel?
Russ: not sure, if you want, I can go
check real quick.
Tia: itís notÖ
(Speaks some more Durondedunn to the cats in the
Russ: well itís not the first time
I've heard this that there will be a transcendence
and there will be an ascending to a higher levelÖ..
Russ: and if youíre not there, well
Russ: youíre not going to make it.
Earth is moving into its fifth dimensional unity.
Now if she means the sixth dimensional unity, if we
substitute sixth dimensional for fifth dimensional
okay? It still doesnít make sense.
Tia: it sounds like the hostís
emotions and feelings are getting in the way, that
the host is either a partial trance or a conscious
Russ: well let me get you theÖ..hold
on for a second.
Russ: okay, here it is. All right,
ďthe consciousness grid for Earthís
entrance into the new millennium will be fully
established and activated by the year 2000. Each
person who wishes to enter into the fifth
dimensional version of life on Earth must
have a corresponding geometric patterns within their
auric fields. Those that are out of alignment with
these keynotes will find themselves moving into
another dimensional reality and school. Since 1998
is a year of peace, people of Earth must do
whatever it takes to establish a firm, collective
structure to ensure global peace.Ē
Tia: okay, now is it a conscious or
trance channeler, that is the important thing.
Tia: that is one of the things you
have to be careful of, that is something that weÖ.
Russ: well thatís why I wanted to grab
the book, Iím paraphrasing to just start at a
Tia: what we could do with the Hades
Base News is debunk a lot of this stuff butÖ.
Russ: then it just looks like weíre
just picking fights, thereís no point in it.
Tia: exactly and Omal is very cautious
not to do that.
Russ: because it wastes time and
Tia: thatís right but in a way yes we
do do debunking.
Russ: well true.
Tia: I mean the whole entire Hale-Bopp
thing, we debunked that. We werenít or you werenít
quick enough to get it on the Internet because you
didnít see it as importantÖ.
(Speaks some more Durondedunn to the
Russ: well I didnít think it important
at the time.
Tia: no but it was important.
Russ: but it turned out to be very
Tia: uh-huh but it wouldnít have
Russ: no, of course not, Heaven's
Gate was already set in motion.
Tia: oh yes, much like this Lin Kim or
Lim Chim or whoever that claims that last Wednesday,
God would appear on channel 18, well?
Russ: God didnít make it, maybe heís
tied up with something else, the Almighty has a lot
on his schedule Iím sure.
Tia: oh I know so.
Russ: well this is what I mean is
people who have inflated opinions of themselves and
their abilities and so and basically perpetuate
these myths that go out.
Tia: yes well thatís one of the things
that we're trying to stop with when we advertised
and asked for channelers right?
Tia: we had the discussion that people
would only get involved and the few people that you
research would only get involved for what?
Tia: publicity and money, not for the
common good and the spiritual growth.
Russ: yeah well they have these
abilities and they see that these abilities is being
able to accomplish goals that they've set for
Tia: they see it as the goddess given
right to make fiscal growth for themselves when they
would be much better served being much better
serving of the people and much more rewarded if they
didnít worry about these fiscal rewards. Okay, now
Iíve got to go and catch Joey and we're going to
send Joey down with a technician to the apartment.
(Markís astral traveling cat who followed him to the
Russ: oh if it was down here, Iím
going "thatíll be a trick".
it perfectly with his entrance.)
Omal: greetings Russ and how are you
Russ: greetings Omal, doing quite well
Omal: good, good, good.
Russ: finally in a humorous
Omal: yes, I noticed Tia was also in a
feisty, playful mood.
Russ: yes she was.
Omal: what transpired with the cats? I
saw the host body start to move and
then the kittens scatter.
Russ: well they saw a mother cat I
guess or something that they would
consider to be a more commanding figure coming at
Russ: being as she does talk their
Russ: so how are you this evening?
Omal: I am doing well, I am a little
disappointed that Monka and Ashtar Athena are not
Russ: well they're
probably busy doing higher dimensional stuff.
Omal: yes. It is something that even I
have noticed that higher than myself, the
dimensional beings work on a totally different
timescale and as I believe Leonedies pointed out,
that a second can seem like an eternity and a year
can seem like a moment, a flash of light.
Russ: well wouldn't also
the fact that they are higher dimensional beings be
teaching with their actions as well as their words?
For example, teaching us patience?
Omal: yes, yes, very, very likely.
Russ: and being able to understand I
suppose have an openness of mind for those
Omal: work on a different timescale.
Omal: that is correct, that is what
Iím trying to say. Iím trying to lead you to the
correct conclusion without leading you too
Russ: right, yeah and
I've seen this before, with especially with
people like SanandaÖ..
Russ: where actions are actually used
more than phrases are.
actions are a stronger learning tool.
Omal: on the
higher dimensions, we can relay information in a
nano second the whole entire discussion that you
had with Tia and as far up to this point with
myself, I could relay to Korton, Sananda, Monka,
Athena, anyone, in a nano second.
Russ: but doesnít
thatÖ..you have hundreds of thousands of years
available and if youíre passing along stuff in
nanoseconds, doesnít that kind of make things
tough to watch go by? Smelling the roses kind of
Omal: what is
Leonedies' explanation, I just gave it to you?
being able to sit there and smell the roses.
Russ: or daisies.
Russ: oh, well
teaching by example.
Omal: a second
can seem like an eternity.
Russ: right, oh
thatís right. So a nanosecond seems like hundred
Omal: no a
Russ: or is less
Russ: right. Hmm,
must be a higher then theredness to it I donít
Omal: yes, it
seems to be alluding you the fact that oh, name
for the recording tonight?
Omal: as it seems
to be a key issue that controlling and
understanding that people work on different
timescales, even on your planet people look at
things in different time ways.
I will take care of it tomorrow, I will take care
of it next week, my investments will come in next
year, in 10 years, in 50 years I plan to be
retired and 20 years is a long time." You are 38
my, that is a long time. All these things are time
management, looking at time in a different way.
The structure of the thought processes is very
linear. It is not third dimensional......I donít
mean third dimensional as in your space, your
reality, I mean as in seeing things in a third
dimensional way and thinking in a third
Well, being around you and the others of Hades
Base have given us a lot more sense of time in the
fact that when we deal with things like Atlantis
or even your lifetimeÖ.
looking back on history, big, huge chunks of
history that canít even conceived by just
yesterday or the day before, add on a million
other days before that to get to that point.....
Russ: and yet
look at that in one big chunk.
Omal: a good
example on how three dimensional thinking works
into everyday life. Okay, my hand is yours to
move, tell me where to move it.
Russ: move it to
Omal: okay, tell
me where to move it now.
Russ: on top of
your other hand.......yeah.
Omal: okay, itís
moved across. Okay now move it again.
Russ: to your
Russ: one more?
Your left shoulder......left shoulder.
Omal: okay now,
how did you move everything from its original
start point? You started off very promisingly. You
moved it down to the chest, to the other hand, to
the left shoulder.
then left shoulder.
Omal: now what is
all of that?
Russ: that is a
linear movement of your hand.
Omal: that is all
two dimensional thinking.
Omal: except for
moving it down. Why not move it from here higher,
full extension of the arm?
Omal: why not
move diagonally down to the shoulder? Move
diagonally to above the pelvis?
because I suppose I see it as the hand needing to
be on certain parts your body to give it a certain
definite place of being.
Omal: yes but it
is a two dimensional thinking processes.
Russ: well I see
that now yeah, now that you point that out.
everything is linear and two dimensional in the
thinking processes. Turning it into a third
dimensional thinking process is part of learning
the management of time. The fact that timescales
mean that thinking processes are different. For
example, let us take a third dimensional being.
You have just pointed out admirably that they
think linearly and two dimensionally.
Omal: if you were
to ask Kiri, I am sure that Kiri would have the
hand moving different heights and moving around at
different angles and levels which is three
dimensional thinking. Kiri is older, Kiri has the
knowledge of her Akashic records.
understands three dimensional thinking. It is not
just a third dimensional thought pattern that
limits the thinking processes, individuals in a
specific line of employment have to think in
different ways. For example, take a pilot, a third
Omal: they are in
a third dimensional environment.
Omal: if they go
down, if they go up, if they go to the sides, it
is all part of their thinking processes and it is
to do with their environment. Your environment,
even though it is three-dimensional, is two
Russ: yeah, it's
based on linear experience.
You stand up, you are in a flat plane, you walk
forward, you walk backwards, you walk from side to
side, you are still dealing on a two-dimensional
thought pattern. Experience in time changes that
to going up, going down, going up diagonally,
going down diagonally and all the various,
different variations within that. If you were to
draw a sphere around you or create a sphere around
you and move that sphere through a three
dimensional world and do with that sphere with you
in it as you wish, then your thought processes
would be limited to the experiences within that
sphere and the movements there capable.
Omal: it is like
a glass of water, it does not think of anything
else but being a glass of water and all the
movements thereof. If you look at things on your
planet, they are very two dimensional in their
avenues of movement. Backwards, forwards, side to
side, various angles thereof. But if you were to
look at the bird, the bird has to think three
dimensionally, up, down, side to side, backwards
Omal: so the
environment plays an important role within the
experiences and time again plays within
that......yes feline, you wish to talk? Okay, you
wish to run........so you see how the thought
processes change with environmental factors and
the environmental factors also work with time.
Russ: well now
you mention time but time is a fourth dimensional
Russ: and we're
speaking on second and third dimensional
realities, where does the fourth dimensional
reality interact andÖ..
Omal: because it
is a linear action, one event follows another,
going forward in a line.
Russ: but thatís
third dimensional concepts of a fourth dimensional
Russ: which is
presented in a two dimensional reality.
Omal: correct so
it dovetails in nicely.
Russ: true, so it
depends on the dimensional reality you perceive
things in determines...
dimensional reality that you are talking about.
Omal: that is
correct. That for me, I can look back in time, I
can look forward in time, I can look to the sides.
Russ: okay, could
we quickly just put a little emphasis on that part
and how that's accomplished or what you see?
Omal: how do you
mean, looking to the sides?
realities, alternate timelines, alternate
existences, those are to the side.
Omal: if you
remember when we discussed time a while back.
Russ: oh yeah.
explained it like a strand of stringÖÖ
with lots of other strands of string.
Russ: yeah, it
gives you a headache thinking about it.
Omal: well, you
Russ: me, maybe
Omal: if you were
to take all those strands and lay them out side to
side apart from the fact that it would go on
indefinitely in either direction, you would be
able to look to one side or the other side, to be
connected and aware of those alternative
existences, those alternative parallel universes
Russ: but the
question is and I suppose this is a third
dimensional person talking on a two dimensional
reality, what difference does it make?
Russ: ahh, okay.
Omal: you cannot
move from one to another.
Russ: well that
clears up that because I was what just wondering
what purpose that could have for me, none
understand the reality of it because youíve
explained it enoughÖ..
Russ: but I never
saw the purpose for needing that ability to see in
really isnít a need to except for the fact that
some are ahead of others and some are behind of
from his last statement.)
Omal: ......of what may be. Now when
you look into the future or people claim to look
into the future that have a high accuracy rate, they
are seeing things that are already happening on
parallel universes that are ahead.
Russ: would this explain dťjŗ vu
Omal: to a certain extent yes.
Russ: ohhh, well thatís a much better
explanation than the one I just gave yesterday.
Omal: okay, let us hear your
Russ: well my explanation was that if
youíre standing on that string of line we talked
about and in front of you are all these millions and
trillions of possibilities that could happen and you
subconsciously create for yourself one that you wish
to happen and it turns out to be exactly like the
experience that you have months later. But yours is
much better because you see actually the parallel
lifetime that actually is happeningÖ.
Russ: therefore, when it happens, but
how did you get on that parallel lifetime? Just a
particular change in a decision that you made?
Omal: no, it is aÖ..youíre not
changing paths, youíre still on your path, you're
still on your piece of string.
Russ: but you're viewing another path.
Omal: correct and you are getting a
glimpse of it.
Russ: ahh good call, thatís a way
better explanation, I like that one.
Omal: well I endeavor to please. But
you are quite correct that the way of looking at
things is very different. I look at things not as
one following another but certainly that is a way of
looking at things and that is the way I do look at
things from time to time.
At present I do not look at one thing following
another, I am happy and surprised when one thing
does follow another, it is no longer necessary for
me to do so. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh which is quite a good
Omal: yes it is, it serves a very
Russ: oh yes, absolutely. This is
something that like I say has bothered me for 30
plus years and youíve given me the explanation in a
minute but I donít know, it just clears everything
up, itís like a light got turned on.
Omal: yes but those is 30 plus years
are but of the blink of an eye.
Russ: aye, true.
Omal: but yet there again, they are
also an eternity.
Russ: hmmm. Now see, I see it as one
package of time, 30 plus years is all basically just
that set between one point and the point I'm at now.
Omal: that is linear thinking.
Russ: correct. Now how do I go beyond
that? Take that 30 plus years and go beyond that to
a third dimensional thought process on that space of
Omal: to tell you how to do it would
take more time thenÖ..if we could communicate the
way that I do up here with other seven dimensional
and eighth dimensional beings and higher, it would
be explained now. Unfortunately, because it is a
whole mindset and experience set, it would take a
long time to explain. We could start right now and
we would not be finished by this time tomorrow.
Russ: Jesus. Okay, well weíll hold off
on that little explanation then.
Omal: but to give you a brick to start
Omal: think of other alternatives to
something. Instead of thinking if I put one step
forward, the other step will follow, if I put one
step forward, what happens?Ē
Russ: hmm, an interesting problem or
possibility youíve brought up, yes.
Omal: okay, I put one step down on the
ground, the ground pushes back on my foot pushing
Omal: I apply pressure, a pressure is
Omal: that now puts a third
dimensional aspect into a two dimensional equation.
Russ: true, that which take as a
common everyday occurrence, is now become uncommon
Omal: correct, that is your brick.
Russ: thank you, excellent way to
Omal: and an excellent way to finish.
Russ: indeed, thank you Omal.
Omal: you are welcome. Again, thank
you so very much.
Russ: my pleasure.
Omal: however the flavor was not quite
as strong as it was the other night, I think
possibly due to the setup that we're using.
Russ: oh youíre probably right.
Omal: it is not like I am wearing the
body, I feel some of the, as I am linked tighter
than I was last week, I feel some of the sensations.
Russ: hmm, well we'll try it again
when you have the other setup hooked up.
Russ: so in two weeks then my friend.
Omal: okay, it is a much more warmer
and sociable environment. Live long, prosper and
Iíll be back.
(Tia makes a quick segue to Karra.)
Tia: (says hi in
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey. Yes?
Russ: the tapeís going fast tonight.
Tia: uh-huh, I think
it is a matter of time perception.
Russ: I think itís a matter of trying
to use up as much time as possible just in case the
guests happen to show up or not.
Tia: or not. No, it
is a perception of time.
Russ: doubly so at lunchtime.
Tia: no, "time is an
illusion caused by history, history
is an illusion caused by time, lunchtime doubly so."
Russ: ahh, thank you.
Tia: thatís one of
Markís favorite phrases.
(From Douglas Adams.)
Russ: indeed it is, a good
(Karra joins the
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: howís it going my dear?
Russ: excellent, just cleaning up for
Karra: for me?
Russ: well yeah.
Karra: oh okay, if you insist. Tia
just hoofed it out of here at high speed.
Russ: ahh, going to
track down our missing guests of honor?
Karra: no, I think it is more along
the lines of tracking down a feline that
is hoofing it down the hallways.
Russ: ahh Joey.
Karra: yes, I believe Joey made
a break for it and the technicianís walked back in
bleeding a little.
Russ: yeah well, Joey does have that
wish to be free kind of thing about her sometimes.
Karra: wish to be left alone is the
more appropriate terminology.
Karra: that discussion with Omal was
Russ: that was a really.........I
canít wait to get that on the net.
Karra: that would be aÖ..the part on
Russ: time management and dťjŗ vu.
Karra: would be a very good editorial.
Russ: hmm, I believe youíre right.
Karra: selecting the right start
point. Now the other night, last night I believe,
I was listening to you and Mark discussing the setup
for the computer. I have an idea that would be a
much better improvement.
Karra: let us say you have the
computer with the boom microphone and
the software, the dictation software. Why not we
start off the channeling sessions down here, we go
through the perfunctory greetings, Tia
does her whatever.............
Russ: morals dissertation.
Karra: no, her hello, how are you
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: and then she moves the body
upstairs to where the microphone is, you pull up a
chair, sit down and discuss and talk with the
microphone dictation going on there and then on the
Russ: hmm, that would be a good idea.
Karra: at the end of the channeling
session, you see we are no longer limited by 90
Karra: certainly we can have the setup
so that it is recording up there.
Russ: well there will still
Karra: yes but it will be all written
Karra: and not as much work with your
Karra: that would be an excellent
Russ: okay great.
Karra: okay, do we have anything to
Karra: yes, where were we on that?
Russ: cloning and Atlantis.
Russ: that's a recent topic in the
Sedona Journal of Emergence I was
Karra: yes Iím trying toÖ..I've
got so much that I could say about it.
Russ: well okay, Iíll go start anyway
and how the article mentions the pain involved from
the cloning of that time translates into the
hesitation and the
actual want to halt or not allow any cloning in this
Karra: okay, now if you remember my
side of the discussion is that there is
only moral painÖ.
Karra: and the fact that as weíve
discussed in the past, you cannot create my exact
duplicate or your exact duplicateÖ.
Karra: because of what?
Russ: experiences, soul, everything.
Russ: but at the same time, moral
predicaments like that are things that
have caused civilizations to crumble.
Karra: no, I wouldn't say
that it has caused civilizations to crumble......
Russ: how about the Roman
civilization? Its morals degraded to a point where it
could no longer maintain its defensive force and it
was overrun by a stronger force from without.
Karra: no, actually it destroyed from
Russ: but yeah, morals did play a
large part in that though.
Karra: correct but what Iím talking
about is the morals within a society concerning
Karra: the fact that
duplicating an individual, if we take the
yes that is actually nearer to the truth. The
denigration from the original to a
simpleton is what would happen.
Karra: to create the first clone in
was an exact duplicate of the original and it went
downhill from there because you are taking......you
are making a copy of a copy of a copy of
Russ: well see they did not do was
the sheep that they cloned.
Russ: had they done that, they
wouldíve probably noticed the degradation factor
that you bring up.
Karra: correct and that is something
that people donít take into consideration when they
talk about duplicating or making a second
clone, they donít realize the degradation that goes
on in the genetic material.
Karra: it is looked upon as humorous.
looked at it in a humorous way, it didnít look at
the failing of the genes.
Russ: well itís tough to conceive of
the genes failing.
Karra: but they do.
Russ: sure, we see that in cancer patients.
Karra: correct. Now something that
seems to be very hard for people on your planet to
understand that there is nothing wrong with cloning
because you are creating in another way a life form.
And I can hear people saying,Ē yes, but what about
the fact that you are playing God?Ē
And Iíve got an answer for that, maybe
God is playing through you, your God is playing
through you to create another personÖ
Karra: another being, another sheep.
You not playing a God, a God is playing through you,
giving you the intelligence to be able to do so. And
thereís the theological discussions that go with
that. Maybe it is not God? Maybe it is not a higher
dimensional being with a positive outlook, maybe it
is the negative higher being with a negative
purpose? And you could sit and discuss that in a
theological sense for eons. I think Omal was correct
in saying a good name would be time, time
Karra: because again weíre looking at
time. But itís a moral discussion,
it right to create a new life? Well?
Russ: in the fact of biological
creation? Yes. Scientific creation? Even I have
troubles with that now.
Karra: why do you have troubles with
Russ: well just because thereís enough
people on this world, I donít see a
need to be creating new ones when we
can make them naturally without having
to worry about it.
Karra: that is not a moral
Karra: itís not a moral dilemma, that
is a scientific outlook and a social and
Russ: well the scientific
would be the fact that we can use the genetic
cloning to take away diseasesÖ
Russ: and such but at the same time,
if it degrades after each clone, that's
not really an effective way to do that.
Karra: but you need just a
single cell to do so. If you take enough genetic
material, let us say I take a pint of your
blood, I can make billions of you and not have to
worry about the replicative fading.
Russ: hmm, which brings me back to the
other point, thatís a billion too many.
Karra: yes but let us say I come down
to your world right?
Karra: I donít have any children and
we want a child.
Karra: and I canít have children by
the normal method. Now, let us say that they take
one of my cells and one of your
cells, we put them together and clone both of us so
that Iím carrying twins. A copy of you
and a copy of me.
Karra: they are not exact duplicates
of you or I because A, they will be
physical copies of us but they wonít be exact
duplicates because environmental factors are
different, experiences will be different, food
supply will be different so they cannot
be exact, exact duplicates of us. They
are physical and genetic duplicates but
they're not exactly us.
again we get into the moral issue on it.
Karra: yes but what Iím saying is the
fact that I am in essence with your child. You
understand? Iím not saying itís right or wrong.
Karra: I'm saying look at the
alternative side of the coin.
Russ: yeah, I agree with that. In some
cases it does have a very valid point.
Russ: in other cases, I can see where
would be wars started over it.
Russ: but again, thatís really
the lesson that we have to get through
consciously for each of us before we can advance
from the point where we left it at in Atlantis.
Karra: yes. You see the problem with
Atlantis and the cloning
experiments there was not so much creating replicas
of people, it was creating almost a new species, new
individuals with lesser intelligence but greater
physical strength. What you were doing or
what was going on was slavery, building a slave
Karra: all the abilities had been
walled up and blocked so that these beings would
work and do and not be able to fight back against
the master, the controller of them.
Russ: hmm. Well, in one
sense thatís no way could even be morally
Russ: because youíre taking away
someoneís no matter what, freedom of choice.
Karra: but they never had that right,
they never had that knowledge that they had freedom
Russ: but is it right to keep that
Russ: well see what I mean?
Karra: I could play
the advocate here but Iím not going to because we
both know the people that were at fault.
Karra: hmm and we also know that the
individual that went on a crusade against itÖ.
Karra: and letís not open up old
Russ: I agree.
Karra: we have to overcome that, we as
in we three, four, five.
(She's talking about an Atlantean past
life where Karra and myself
were on opposite sides of the debate with
Mark, Tia and Kiri.)
Russ: I agree, I think weíve pretty
much figured that out to this point anyway.
Russ: and we've spent a lot of time
working on that.
Karra: yes we have. I see it now not
as good or bad, I see it as necessity dictates.
Russ: true. Would it be done again?
Karra: letís take a very good, mutual
friend of oursÖ
Karra: and the fact that his current
species started off as clones.
Karra: they were cloned and
genetically altered to be what they are.
Russ: right, but they gained freedom
of speech and thoughtÖ.
Russ: as did we.
Karra: correct. You see if you look at
Taalís, the purpose of Taalís race, is it good or
Karra: I see it as neither, neither
good nor bad. The reason being is the fact that Taal's
race was designed for one purpose....
Karra: to fly ships and to
kill, is that good?
Russ: defensively yes.
Russ: offensively no.
Karra: so it is neither good or bad.
Karra: it is what is necessary.
Without those early clones of Taalís race, we
wouldnít have such a good friend. We wouldnít have
such a good friend as Katrina either or The
Baron or Phrisling or any of
those guys. Or Marta, none of them would be here you
Russ: so you have to look farther down
the road, you have to look from Atlantis to this
Russ: and so on so yeah I guess it is
necessity just as everything thatís happened to this
point has been necessity.
Russ: how are we to say what was or
was not to happen?
Karra: yes, we donít know.
Russ: all right my love, thank you
Karra: love you.
(Kiri comes on in
place of Tia.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: oh, hi Kiri.
Russ: booting out your sister?
Kiri: yeah, actually more along the
lines of poking her out.
Russ: I can tell. All right dear, what
are you up to?
Kiri: me? Iím doing okay.
Russ: the difference between genetic
engineering and regular engineering?
Kiri: beats me.
Russ: well arenít you
working with the same principles?
Kiri: yeah I guess.
Russ: I'll have to ask Kornas
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah I know very little
about that kind of healing. Donít think Tia will be
back, she I think is hunting down Joey.
Russ: should we try to wake her up
upstairs? That will certainly bring her back.
Kiri: no, could do harm.
Russ: well true.
Kiri: I donít know if Joey has faded
or not and that the hunt
is going to be futile but certainly the
technician did have nasty claw marks on his
Russ: Joey certainly has gotten more
Kiri: I think the fear made her lash
out and become solid briefly.
Kiri: she was fine when Tia picked her
up, a little bit uncomfortable but definitely not as
Russ: well sheís a little bit skitty.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, we're running
short on timeÖ..
Kiri: so what are we going to talk
Russ: well, Omal and I were discussing
Russ: but you probably
wonít get into that.
Kiri: time management.
Russ: well he did mention you
Kiri: in what way?
Russ: well in your ability to see how
things work compared to the ability that Mark and I
Kiri: well itís necessary as an
engineer the fact that if you think on a linear
thought process right? You're limiting yourself.
only seeing a flat, horizontal picture. And you as a
computer engineer should know better than anybody
else, if you think flat and linear, what happens?
Russ: you get into a
Kiri: correct. So if you think
vertically, horizontally, diagonally, youíre not limiting
yourself. Let us say you want to build a
Kiri: and you build
it on a flat surface or two dimensionally,
is going to happen?
Russ: well it certainly needs space to
Russ: and it would grow
exponentially from the flat surface that
Kiri: correct however, let us say that
you make it three dimensionally.
Russ: so no big deal.
Russ: takes a lot more space.
Russ: and be close enough to
each other that makes it portable and
Kiri: thatís right, you see? So you do
think third dimensionally but only in relationships
to computers. Why not apply that to other things?
Russ: hmmm, because Iím so used to
thinking in two dimensions probably.
Russ: linear thought processes and
THE TAPE ENDS