Archivist Notes: It's 2016 and so with a
fresh year come a fresh perspective on how time is
perceived across the dimensions. Omal named this
session for a dissertation he gave in it which goes
down as one of the best explanations for the fourth
dimension and the properties of time he gave in the
sessions recorded. Side two of this tape is missing a
section that missed being recorded so it is shorter
To get there though, Tia comes on first with
a retrospective look at how the Internet affected the
stock market as it was becoming more and more of a
factor because of online transaction speed. She also
returns to the Clintons and another mysterious death
which has suspicious implications. With the end of
both the century and millennium coming to an end, we
compare other periods of time where both the financial
and spiritual growths had been prevalent. She
discusses how the spiritualism of the '20 gave rise to
the noticeable acceptability the new age of '90 was a
result. How things like the 5th dimensional ascension
is often used in place of a 6th dimensional ascension
for the sake of understanding by some entities. She
finishes up her portion of the session with a reminder
why the Hades Base News has to be put out on the web
for the greater good and not financial reward. Omal
next treats us to time from his concept of it from the
seventh dimension. What follows is both enlightening
and mind-numbing in the concepts presented. Repeated
listening still has my mind warped as much as his
descriptions of the fourth dimension. Back then he had
me demonstrate on as a third dimensional being tend to
think two dimensionally due to my environment. he
wraps up side on with a description of how time really
works from someone who can see the fourth dimension
from a perspective that even Karra found fascinating.
Side two takes off where side one left off as
Omal expands on his explanation of how his 7th
dimensional perspective of time differs from our and
provides a building block to assist in how we as 3rd
dimensional beings can pursue a similar perspective.
Karra starts off her part of the channeling session
with an idea on how to improve future sessions. She
next explores the time of Atlantis and the cloning
that took place back then from a viewpoint of a person
who not only lived back then but has access to her
Akashic records of her life then. We go over the moral
augments for and against as well as the scientific
options of how to clone and how not to clone. In the
end she presents an argument I logically have to agree
with. Kiri ends this very short side of the tape with
her ideas on how to progress from linear, two
dimensional thinking to third dimensional thinking and
uses computer building to do so. Finally she reveals
why it is that would be such an advamtage.
(The Ring Mistress gets the session
started with a lesson in Durondedunn.)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)
Russ: how goes it my dear?
(Tia expands on her greeting.)
Russ: good to hear. Ahh, sheís not hereÖ..
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: sheís upstairs.
Russ: (says one of the cats names in Durondedunn.)
Tia: (says the name in proper Durondedunn.)
Russ: right yeah, her.
Tia: I wasnít calling ďhurrahĒ.
Russ: oh, it sounded like it.
Tia: I was just asking how you were doing?
Russ: oh, Iím doing good.
Tia: (Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: the inflection was kind of iffy.
Tia: oh, my inflection was kind of iffy huh?
Russ: well try it. Whatís the difference between how are you
Tia: (Tia sounds out the words in Durondedunn.) Thatís who
you call Mongi,
ďhurrahĒ. (One of the house cats.)
Russ: and how do you say how are you?
Tia: (we hear how are you in Durondedunn.)
Russ: it sounds a lot like the same except for two extra
Tia: softer. (Says the words in Durondedunn.)
Russ: okay, it sounds the same to me but thatís just me.
Tia: itís a harderÖ(Demonstrates once more.)
Russ: oh, well she's out anyway.
Russ: anyway, good evening.
Tia: good evening, how are you?
Russ: oh real well, real well......
Russ: quite relaxed.
Tia: uh-huh. So, okay itís going to break 9,000.
Tia: it is.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay letís look at the market here. Okay, let
us address the market. Let us look at the stock market and
the reason for its rapid growth. Okay, let me see, how do I
put this? Okay, the problems and the crises in foreign
markets in the Orient are part of the reason for the wild
upward trend of the U.S. stock market. The investors in
European countries and Asian countries that were invested
within those markets have pulled out their finances and are
investing in the US market because A, the political system
is hogtied and the government is not doing what itís
supposed to be doing which is running the country, itís
fighting amongst itself at the moment trying to remove or
indict orÖ..yes? Or indict its leader. And this internal
bickering and fighting and namby-pamby manhandling and the
upcoming elections and so on are part of the reason why the
market is on its upward trend. This is not unusual but, due
to the fact that of the setup of the computer age, it makes
it easier to track and move vast sums of money in a very
short period of time. Instead of cabling, sending, going to
a financier and so on which is the way that it used to be
done before communication was almost instantaneous. A good
example is sending electronic mail over the Internet. It
takes a mere few seconds to send a message and to transfer
large sums of money because of the global network. This in
itself is a two-edged sword, it makes things swift and easy
and it means also that negative things are swift and easy.
Tia: (speaks some more Durondedunn.) You understand?
Tia: do you have any questions?
Russ: well with this ease of transfer of funds, doesnít that
make it actually harder for people to control where the
money is going?
Tia: in what way?
Russ: well I mean it makes it ripe for theft doesnít it?
Tia: oh yes, yes it does and it does happen but they have
their own safeguards, they being the banks. You see what
actually happens is that when you transfer large sums of
money, it actually doesnít leave the country theoretically.
Although the money is being transferred to buy stocks and
stuff right? It doesnít actually leave the country. It stays
within the bank of that country that now owns those shares
which in turn sells it to the investor and it all happens
very, very quickly.
Russ: right, itís just electronic money.
Tia: uh-huh. So what the banks are actually doing is using
their reserves to buy where the reserves are kept in the
United States those shares and in turn those shares are sold
to the buyer through a broker so that they're actually
buying the shares in their own country but overseas. And
what is happening is that when they buy, the bank then goes
with the money that they put in and buys the exact same
amount in currency.
Tia: this stops theft.
Tia: or helps to prevent it. Itís a very tricky and
convoluted system and it works extremely well which is quite
Russ: I agree with that.
Russ: hmm, so basically fortunes are being made and broken
every day right?
Russ: hmm and all on the basis of electronic money not real
Tia: correct. Itís the old adage of it's all paper, itís all
Russ: right. Okay, when you say that things could go wrong
very badly, thatís due to the fact that people could put in
sell orders very quickly.
Tia: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: but now the safeguards are in to keep that from
Russ: but at too fast a rate it will still continue.
Tia: correct and the thing that is still confusing me is why
do they have these trading curves in? If they didnít have
the trading curves in, it wouldíve reached 9,000 a few weeks
Russ: well it started out at what point?
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: it went down at one point and then started up to the
point it's at now.
Russ: what point did it start at, 3,000?
Tia: 7,500 was when it started the climb but it was slow to
start off with, it was very jagged and slow and now within
the last few of weeks itís basically skyrocketed which is
entertaining the fact that it dovetails very closely with
what is going on in the White House. And getting to the
White House, it is funny to see that all these people are
coming out now that the president is not in the country and
there was another mysterious death as well.
Russ: who died this time?
Tia: not quite sure, I only saw the reports briefly but it
was somebody that had dealings with Clinton.....I think it
was a owner of a car company actually or a place that sells
Tia: a car
dealer owner had a check for $20,000 from the
Whitewater whatever it was land management thingy and he
mysteriously died the other day.
Russ: was he too old or something?
Tia: no, he died in a car crash.
Russ: a car crash?
Russ: what a bummer.
Tia: very mysterious, I donít think thereís been any
president that has so many people die around him
Russ: well Johnson did.
Tia: true, true but I think the Clinton Administration at
least has twice as many.
Tia: but you see what Iím saying that there is something
very odd going on with this administration.
Russ: well, I agree with that.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, hmm, do you know why Clinton wears
Tia: to keep his feet warm.
Russ: thatís a good one.
Tia: okay, do you know what the new game is in the White
Tia: swallow the leader.
Tia: donít like those jokes do you?
Russ: well I donít know, itís just getting to be old hat
Tia: yes it is and Iím getting tired of going over the same
things dealing with the political setup. Itís really a
protocol and moral issue, you know the lack of ethics, the
lack of morals and the lack of protocol and itís something
that is sad to see.
Tia: you know what Iím saying?
Russ: but this sort of ties in with where the countryís at
right now doesn't it?
Tia: yeah it does unfortunately, itís a direct reflection of
what is going on in the world. Now I haveÖ..
Russ: there's some countries that actually honor that.
Russ: France for one.
Tia: yes. Now changing the subject, Iíve sent my predictions
in to be passed on to Omal and Omal is going to pass them on
to Ashtar and it should be maybe a week, two weeks before I
get the information back.
Tia: in the meantime, Iím not going to say anything due to
the fact that the speculations and lines of probability have
to be analyzed by Omal and Ashtar before I can say anything
as much as I would like to. I don't want to be a leak in the
Tia: so do you have any questions?
Russ: hmm yeah, I've got a couple actually.
Russ: now in reading things into where the countryís at
right now, where the world is at, there is a culmination
between the financial and the spiritual side of the worldÖ..
Russ: that is leading in a direction that points toward
Russ: while we know differently, is that still enough that
people are going to follow through with that no matter what
Tia: to a certain extent yes, there is obviously much more
growth in a spiritual nature as can be seen by popular
media, popular entertainment and generally looking around
that the people that were once thought of as strange,
bizarre, unusual are now being accepted more and more. Itís
more like a new religion or a revival of an old, ancient
Russ: well it sort of reminds me of the early Ď20s.
Tia: uh-huh, the revival into spiritualism.
Russ: correct but at the same time there was a financial
growth going onÖ.
Russ: that was sort of paralleling that at the same time.
Tia: yes, very true so, very true. Also something that needs
to be looked at is the end of the century symptoms, normal
things that occur at the end of centuries in growth in
spiritualism, wild investment, careless abandonment and what
makes it even worse and heightened is the fact of the turn
of the millennium as well. So not only do you have
turn-of-the-century but you also have the millennium disease
where people think that the world is going to come to an end
on the night of 2001.
Tia: well as we stated in the past when there have been
predictions coming up of the end of the world, ďoops, we
missed it, we must have all been asleep.Ē But...
Russ: well what happened in the earlier part of the 1890's
before we hit 1900?
Russ: letís say 1898.
Tia: thatís not the early part of the 1890's, thatís the
latter part of the 1890's.
Russ: right, the latter part, but wasn't that more similar
to what you could be called now?
Tia: yes in a way it was, it was very similar apart from it
wasnít so feverish and heightened due to the fact that you
didnít have the millenniumism going on as well.
Russ: true, that was just the change of a century or a
Russ: right but at the same time, they were going from a
technological backwater to great changes technology wise.
Tia: well at the time they thought that they were reaching
to the pinnacle of technology.
Russ: right, I mean at the time I mean you were getting
labor saving devices coming in all the timeÖ..
Russ: travel had become commonplace from coast-to-coastÖ.
Russ: where just 50 years before, you were talking the wild
Russ: communications wereÖÖ
Tia: again almost instantaneous, a few minutes delay.
Russ: right, a few minutes delay but not that much.
Russ: mail service was much, much better.
Tia: uh-huh. It still took about a week for it to go from
one coast to the other whereas now it takes a couple of days
or instantaneously with the communication device.
Russ: right, now when we hit 1900, nothing happened really
Russ: but that was because there was no millennium involved.
Tia: thatís correct.
Russ: so this is actually quite a nice time to be alive.
Tia: uh-huh. There is an opportunity right now for so much
investment and advancement that itís ridiculous. Not
necessarily in the stock markets but in the fear of the turn
of the century and the millennium. These people areÖ.thereís
a lot of people out there that are afraid of the turn of the
Russ: right. So in essence, weíre seeing kind of a parallel
in the same time zone.
Russ: hmm, now how does this affect our changing toward a
higher dimensional view? Iíve read in the latest Sedona
Journal of Emergence something from Ashtar AthenaÖ..
Russ: being channeled through a ladyÖ.
Russ: talking about how the humans on earth need to if they
are going to move into a fifth dimensional earth existence,
they have to raise their auric vibrations or they will have
moved on to another school.
Tia: but again itís you know how things are worded and how
people read into things.
Russ: yeah well I mean this fifth dimensional stuff, itís
really getting old.
Russ: I mean people have really got that so serious that
it's almost the norm now.
Tia: yes it is and it is irritating. The thing that Iíve
noticed is that people, especially channelers when they have
the host body, you know they use the medium that is easy for
people to understand. For example if letís say Kiri wanted
to talk to a astral engineer right?
Tia: would you understand what they were talking about?
Russ: of course not.
Tia: you rememberÖ.no if she didnít talk with whatís his
name, the guy that had a debate with Omal and Korton.
Russ: you mean Mike? (Not Carrie's Mike.)
Tia: yes but I think that they wouldíve sat there and
discussed in great detail stuff that would be totally beyond
you or I. Kiri would have probably got very annoyed with him
Russ: well yeah, she doesnít have the kind of patience that
Tia: no or Korton. So you see that channelers use the
linguistics that is necessary to get the point over. The
fact that Ashtar Athena frequently uses the fifth dimension
as a explanation is because everybody knows the fourth
dimension is time.
Russ: right and the fifth dimension is space.
Tia: correct but not so many people know that that the fifth
dimension is space soÖ..
Russ: well still, I mean how does that relate to our being
able to move into it?
Tia: because it is a name, nothing more.
Russ: well it was a popular rock group back in the Ď60s.
Tia: what, the Fifth Dimension?
Tia: well in actual fact itís the sixth dimension that she
means but she's saying the fifth dimension because itís
easier to understand for the everyday person.
Russ: but that merely perpetuates the myth.
Tia: correct and if she was to sit down and every time she
channeled and try to explain that the fifth dimension is a
work space, here is how it works and that you will moving to
the sixth dimension.....
Russ: well it gets kinda old being the only ones who are
actually pushing something like this.
Tia: no itís not, you just be very patient and explain that
the name is irrelevant and the fact that what does matter is
the spiritual growth which everybody agrees on.
Tia: yeah it is a popular misconception.
Russ: but you know, I canít understand the part where she
says that people who are not in their auric fifth
dimensional vibrations will not continue on this planet.
They will go on a new school and so on and so forth.
Tia: uh-huh now this channeler, this host body, was it a
conscious or trance channel?
Russ: not sure, if you want, I can go check real quick.
Tia: itís notÖ(Speaks some more Durondedunn to the cats in
Russ: well itís not the first time I've heard this that
there would be a transcendence you know and there will be an
ascending to a higher levelÖ..
Russ: and if youíre not there, well too bad...
Russ: youíre not going to make it. Earth is moving into its
fifth dimensional unity. Now if she means the sixth
dimensional unity, if we substitute, sixth dimensional for
fifth dimensional okay? It still doesnít make sense.
Tia: it sounds like the hostís emotions and feelings are
getting in the way, that the host is either a partial trance
or a conscious channel.
Russ: well let me get you theÖ..hold on for a second.
Russ: okay, here it is. All right, ďthe consciousness grid
for earthís entrance into the new millennium will be fully
established and activated by the year 2000. Each person who
wishes to enter into the fifth dimensional version of life
on earth, must have a corresponding geometric patterns
within their auric fields. Those that are out of alignment
with these keynotes will find themselves moving into another
dimensional reality and school. Since 1998 is the year of
peace, people of earth must do whatever it takes to
establish a firm, collective structure to ensure global
Tia: okay, now is it a conscious or trance channeler, that
is the important thing.
Tia: that is one of the things you have to be careful of,
that is something that weÖ.
Russ: well thatís why I wanted to grab the book, Iím
paraphrasing to just start at a stoplight.
Tia: what we could do with the Hades Base News is debunk a
lot of this stuff butÖ.
Russ: then it just looks like weíre just picking fights,
thereís no point in it.
Tia: exactly and Omal is very cautious not to do that.
Russ: because it wastes time and energy.
Tia: thatís right but in a way yes we do do debunking.
Russ: well true.
Tia: I mean the whole entire Hale-Bopp
thing, we debunked that. We werenít or you werenít quick
enough to get it on the Internet because you didnít see it
as importantÖ.(Speak some more Durondedunn to the cats.)
Russ: well I didnít think it important at the time.
Tia: no but it was important.
Russ: but it turned out to be very important.
Tia: uh-huh, but it wouldnít have changed anything.
Russ: no, of course not, Heaven's
Gate was already set in motion.
Tia: oh yes, much like this Lin Kim or Lim Chim or whoever
that claims that last Wednesday, God would appear on channel
Russ: God didnít make it, maybe heís tied up with something
else, the Almighty has a lot on his schedule Iím sure.
Tia: oh I know so.
Russ: well this is what I mean is people who have inflated
opinions of themselves and their abilities and so and
basically perpetuate these myths that go out.
Tia: yes well thatís one of the things that we're trying to
stop with when we advertised and asked for channelers right?
Tia: you know we had the discussion that people would only
get involved and the few people that you research would only
get involved for what?
Tia: publicity and money. Not for the common good and the
Russ: yeah well they have these abilities and they see that
these abilities is being able to accomplish goals that
they've set for themselves.
Tia: yeah well they see it as the goddess given right to
make fiscal growth for themselves when they would be much
better served being much better serving of the people and
much more rewarded if they didnít worry about these fiscal
rewards. Okay, now Iíve got to go and catch Joey and we're
going to send Joey down with a technician to the apartment.
(Markís astral traveling cat who followed him to the base.)
Russ: oh if it was down here, Iím going "thatíll be a
(Omal times it perfectly with his
Omal: greetings Russ and how are you functioning?
Russ: greetings Omal, doing quite well actually.
Omal: good, good, good.
Russ: you know, finally in a humorous mood actually.
Omal: yes, I noticed Tia was also in a feisty, playful mood.
Russ: yes she was.
Omal: what transpired with the cats? I saw the host body
start to move and then the kittens scatter.
Russ: well they saw a mother cat I guess or something
that they would consider to be a more commanding
figure coming at them.
Russ: being as she does talk their language.
Russ: so how are you this evening?
Omal: I am doing well, I am a little disappointed that Monka
and Ashtar Athena are not present.
they're probably busy doing higher dimensional
Omal: yes. It is something that even I have noticed that
higher than myself, the dimensional beings work on a totally
different timescale and as I believe Leonedies pointed out,
that a second can seem like an eternity and a year can seem
like a moment, a flash of light.
Russ: well wouldn't also the fact that they are
higher dimensional beings be teaching with their actions as
well as their words? For example, teaching us
Omal: yes, yes very, very likely.
Russ: and being able to understand I suppose have an
openness of mind for those who you knowÖÖ
Omal: work on a different timescale.
Omal: that is correct, that is what Iím trying to say. Iím
trying to lead you to the correct conclusion without leading
you too hard.
Russ: right, yeah and I've seen this before, you know
with especially with people like SanandaÖ..
Russ: where actions are actually used more than phrases are.
Omal: well actions are a stronger
Omal: on the higher dimensions, we can relay information
in a nano second the whole entire discussion that you had
with Tia and as far up to this point with myself, I could
relay to Korton, Sananda, Monka, Athena, anyone, in a nano
Russ: but doesnít thatÖ..you have hundreds of thousands of
years available and if youíre passing along stuff in
nanoseconds, doesnít that kind of make things tough to
watch go by? Smelling the roses kind of thing?
Omal: what is Leonedies' explanation, I just gave it to
Russ: right, being able to sit there and smell the roses.
Russ: or daisies.
Russ: oh, well teaching by example.
Omal: a second can seem like an eternity.
Russ: right, oh thatís right. So a nanosecond seems like
Omal: no a nanosecond is..
Russ: or is less then, yeah.
Russ: right. Hmm, must be a higher then theredness to it I
donít quite comprehend.
Omal: yes, it seems to be alluding you the fact that oh,
name for recording tonight?
Omal: time management.
Omal: as it seems to be a key issue that controlling and
understanding that people work on different timescales
even on your planet, people look at things in different
Omal: tomorrow, I will take care of it tomorrow, I will
take care of it next week, my investments will come in
next year, in 10 years. In 50 years I plan to be retired
and 20 years is a long time. You are 38 my, that is a long
time. All these things are time management, looking at
time in a different way. The structure of the thought
processes is very linear. It is not third
dimensional......I donít mean third dimensional as in your
space, your reality, I mean as in seeing things in a third
dimensional way and thinking in a third dimensional way.
Russ: right. Well, being around you and the others of
Hades Base have given us a lot more sense of time in the
fact that when we deal with things like Atlantis or even
Russ: we're looking back on history, big, huge chunks of
history that canít even conceived by just yesterday or the
day before, add on a million other days before that to get
to that point.....
Omal: yes, correct.
Russ: and yet look at that in one big chunk.
Omal: a good example on how three dimensional thinking
works into everyday life. Okay, my hand is yours to move,
tell me where to move it.
Russ: move it to your chest.
Omal: okay, tell me where to move it now.
Russ: on top of your other hand.......yeah.
Omal: okay, itís moved across. Okay now move it again.
Russ: to your forehead.
Russ: one more? Your left shoulder......left shoulder.
Omal: okay now, how did you move everything from its
original start point? You started off very promisingly.
You moved it down to the chest, to the other hand, to the
Russ: forehead then left shoulder.
Omal: forehead, left shoulder.
Omal: now what is all of that?
Russ: that is a linear movement of your hand.
Omal: that is all two dimensional thinking.
Omal: except for moving it down. Why not move it from here
higher, full extension of the arm?
Omal: why not move diagonally down to the shoulder? Move
diagonally to above the pelvis?
Russ: well because I suppose I see it as the hand needing
to be on certain parts your body to give it a certain
definite place of being.
Omal: yes but it is a two dimensional thinking processes.
Russ: well I see that now yeah, now that you point that
Omal: so everything is linear and two dimensional in the
thinking processes. Turning it into a third dimensional
thinking process is part of learning the management of
time. The fact that timescales mean that thinking
processes are different. For example, let us take a third
dimensional being. You have just pointed out admirably
that they think linearly and two dimensionally.
Omal: if you were to ask Kiri, I am sure that Kiri would
have the hand moving different heights and moving around
at different angles and levels which is three dimensional
thinking. Kiri is older, Kiri has the knowledge of her
Omal: Kiri understands three dimensional thinking. It is
not just a third dimensional thought pattern that limits
the thinking processes. Individuals in a specific line of
employment have to think in different ways. For example,
take a pilot, a third dimensional pilot........
Omal: they are in a third dimensional environment.
Omal: if they go down, if they go up, if they go to the
sides, it is all part of their thinking processes and it
is to do with their environment. Your environment, even
though it is three-dimensional, is two dimensional.
Russ: yeah, it's based on linear experience.
Omal: correct. You stand up, you are in a flat plane, you
walk forward, you walk backwards, you walk from side to
side, you are still dealing on a two-dimensional thought
pattern. Experience in time changes that to going up,
going down, going up diagonally, going down diagonally and
all the various, different variations within that. If you
were to draw a sphere around you or create a sphere around
you and move that sphere through a three-dimensional world
and do with that sphere with you in it as you wish, then
your thought processes would be limited to the experiences
within that sphere and the movements there capable.
Omal: it is like a glass of water, it does not think of
anything else but being a glass of water and all the
movements thereof. If you look at things on your planet,
they are very two-dimensional in their avenues of
movement. Backwards, forwards, side to side, various
angles thereof. But if you were to look at the bird, the
bird has to think three dimensionally, up, down, side to
side, backwards and forwards.
Omal: so the environment plays an important role within
the experiences and time again plays within that. Yes
feline, you wish to talk? Okay, you wish to run. So you
see how the thought processes change with environmental
factors and the environmental factors also work with time.
Russ: well now you mention time but time is a fourth
Russ: and we're speaking on second and third dimensional
realities, where does the fourth dimensional reality
Omal: because it is a linear action, one event follows
another, going forward in a line.
Russ: but thatís third dimensional concepts of a fourth
Russ: which is presented in a two dimensional reality.
Omal: correct so it dovetails in nicely.
Russ: true, so it depends on the dimensional reality you
perceive things in determines...
Russ: the dimensional reality that you are talking about.
Omal: that is correct that for me, I can look back in
time, I can look forward in time, I can look to the sides.
Russ: okay, could we quickly just put a little emphasis on
that part and how that's accomplished or what you see?
Omal: how do you mean, looking to the sides?
Omal: alternate realities, alternate timelines, alternate
existences, those are to the side.
Omal: if you remember when we discussed time a while back.
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: we explained it like a strand of stringÖÖ
Omal: intertwined with lots of other strands of string.
Russ: yeah, it gives you a headache thinking about it.
Omal: well, you maybe.
Russ: me, maybe yeah.
Omal: if you were to take all those strands and lay them
out side to side apart from the fact that it would go on
indefinitely in either direction, you would be able to
look to one side or the other side, to be connected and
aware of those alternative existences, those alternative
parallel universes running concurrently.
Russ: but the question is and I suppose this is a third
dimensional person talking on a two dimensional reality,
what difference does it make?
Omal: none whatsoever.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Omal: you cannot move from one to another.
Russ: well that clears up that because I was what just
wondering what purpose that could have for me, none
Omal: none whatsoever.
Russ: I understand the reality of it because youíve
explained it enoughÖ..
Russ: but I never saw the purpose for needing that ability
to see in those directions.
Omal: there really isnít really a need to except for the
fact that some are ahead of others and some are behind of
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal continues from his last
......of what may be. Now when you look into the future or
people claim to look into the future that have a high
accuracy rate, they are seeing things that are already
happening on parallel universes that are ahead.
Russ: would this explain dťjŗ vu possibly?
Omal: to a certain extent yes.
Russ: ohhh, well thatís a much better explanation than the
one I just gave yesterday.
Omal: okay, let us hear your explanation.
Russ: well my explanation was that if youíre standing on
that string of line we talked about and in front of you are
all these millions and trillions of possibilities that could
happen and you subconsciously create for yourself one that
you wish to happen and it turns out to be exactly like the
experience that you have months later. But yours is much
better because you see actually the parallel lifetime that
actually is happeningÖ.
Russ: therefore, when it happens, but how did you get on
that parallel lifetime? Just a particular change in a
decision that you made?
Omal: no, it is aÖ..youíre not changing paths, youíre still
on your path, you're still on your piece of string.
Russ: but you're viewing another path.
Omal: correct and you are getting a glimpse of it.
Russ: good call, thatís a way better explanation, I like
Omal: well I endeavor to please. But you are quite correct
that the way of looking at things is very different. I look
at things not as one following another but certainly that is
a way of looking at things and that is the way I do look at
things from time to time. At present I do not look at one
thing following another, I am happy and surprised when one
thing does follow another, it is no longer necessary for me
to do so. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh which is quite a good point.
Omal: yes it is, it serves a very useful purpose.
Russ: oh yes, absolutely. This is something that, like I
say, has bothered me for 30 plus years and youíve given me
the explanation in a minute but I donít know, it just clears
everything up, itís like a light gets turned on.
Omal: yes but those is 30 plus years are but of the blink of
Russ: aye, true.
Omal: but yet there again, they are also an eternity.
Russ: hmmm. Now see, I see it as one package of time, 30
plus years is all basically just that set between one point
and the point I'm at now.
Omal: that is linear thinking.
Russ: correct. Now how do I go beyond that? Take that 30
plus years and go beyond that to a third dimensional thought
process on that space of time?
Omal: to tell you how to do it would take more time thenÖ.if
we could communicate the way that I do up here with other
seven dimensional and eighth dimensional beings and higher,
it would be explained now. Unfortunately, because it is a
whole mindset and experience set, it would take a long time
to explain. We could start right now and we would not be
finished by this time tomorrow.
Russ: Jesus. Okay, well weíll hold off on that little
Omal: but to give you a brick to start your buildingÖ
Omal: think of other alternatives to something. Instead of
thinking if I put one step forward, the other step will
follow, if I put one step forward, what happens?Ē
Russ: hmm, an interesting problem or possibility youíve
brought up, yes.
Omal: okay, I put one step down on the ground, the ground
pushes back on my foot pushing up.
Omal: I apply pressure, a pressure is applied back.
Omal: that now puts a third dimensional aspect into a two
Russ: true, that which take as a common everyday occurrence,
is now become uncommon and extraordinary.
Omal: correct, that is your brick.
Russ: thank you. Excellent way to perceive reality.
Omal: and an excellent way to finish.
Russ: indeed, thank you Omal.
Omal: you are welcome. Again, thank you so very much.
Russ: my pleasure.
Omal: however the flavor was not quite as strong as it was
the other night, I think possibly due to the set up that
Russ: oh youíre probably right.
Omal: it is not like I am wearing the body, I feel some of
the as I am linked tighter than I was last week, I feel some
of the sensations.
Russ: hmm, well we'll try it again when you have the other
setup hooked up.
Russ: so in two weeks then my friend.
Omal: it is a much more, warmer and sociable environment.
Live long, prosper and Iíll be back.
makes a quick segue to Karra.)
(says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: the tapeís going fast tonight.
uh-huh, I think it is a matter of time perception.
Russ: I think itís a matter of trying to use as much time as
possible just in case the guests happen to show up or not.
or not. No, it is a perception of time.
Russ: doubly so at lunchtime.
no, "time is an illusion caused by history, history
is an illusion caused by time, lunchtime doubly so."
Russ: ahh, thank you.
thatís one of Markís favorite phrases. (From Douglas Adams.)
it is, a good one too.
(Karra joins the session.)
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: howís it going my dear?
Russ: excellent, just cleaning up for you here.
Karra: for me?
Russ: well yeah.
Karra: oh okay, if you insist. Tia just hoofed it out of
here at high speed.
Russ: ahh, going to track down our
missing guests of honor?
Karra: no, I think it is more along the lines of tracking
feline that is hoofing it down the hallways.
Russ: ahh Joey.
Karra: yes, I believe Joey made a break for it and the
technicianís walked back in bleeding a little.
Russ: yeah well, Joey does have that wish to be free kind of
thing about her sometimes.
Karra: wish to be left alone is the more appropriate
Karra: that discussion with Omal was fascinating.
Russ: that was a really.........I canít wait to get that on
Karra: that would be aÖ..the part on timeÖ..
Russ: time management and dťjŗ vu.
Karra: would be a very good editorial.
Russ: hmm, I believe youíre right.
Karra: selecting the right start point. Now, the other
night, last night I believe. I was listening to you and Mark
discussing the setup for the computer. I have an idea that
would be a much better improvement.
Karra: let us say you have the computer with the boom
microphone and the software, the dictation
software. Why not we start off the channeling sessions down
here, we go through the perfunctory greetings, Tia
does her whatever.
Russ: morals dissertation.
Karra: no, her hello, how are you things?
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: and then she moves the body upstairs to where the
microphone is, you pull up a chair, sit down and discuss and
talk with the microphone dictation going on, there and then
on the spot.
Russ: hmm, that would be a good idea.
Karra: at the end of the channeling session, you see we are
no longer limited by 90 minutes.
Karra: certainly we can have the setup so that it is
recording up there.
there will still be editing involved.
Karra: yes but it will be all written down.
Karra: and not as much work with your digitals.
Karra: that would be an excellent set up.
Russ: okay great.
Karra: okay, do we have anything to discuss more?
Karra: yes, where were we on that?
Russ: cloning and Atlantis.
Russ: that's a recent topic in the Sedona Journal of Emergence
I was dealing with.
Karra: yes Iím trying toÖ.I've got so much that I could
say about it.
Russ: well okay, Iíll go ahead and start anyway and how the
article mentions the pain involved from the cloning of that
time translates into the hesitation and the actual want
to halt or not allow any cloning in this current age.
Karra: okay, now if you remember my side of the discussion
is that there is only moral painÖ.
Karra: and the fact that as weíve discussed in the past, you
cannot create my exact duplicate or your exact duplicateÖ.
Karra: because of what?
Russ: experiences, soul, everything.
Russ: but at the same time, moral predicaments like that are
that have caused civilizations to crumble.
Karra: no, I wouldn't see that it has caused civilizations
about the Roman civilization? Its morals degraded to a point
could no longer maintain its defensive force and it was
overrun by a stronger force from without.
Karra: no, actually it destroyed from within.
Russ: but yeah, morals did play a large part in
Karra: correct but what Iím talking about is the morals
within a society concerning cloning.
Karra: the fact that duplicating an individual,
if we take the movie "Multiplicity",
yes that is actually nearer to the truth. The denigration
from the original to a simpleton is what would happen.
Karra: to create the first clone in "Multiplicity" was an
exact duplicate of the original and it went downhill from
there because you are taking......you are making a copy of a
a copy of a copy.
Russ: well see they did not do was reduplicate Dolly,
the sheep that they cloned.
Russ: had they done that, they wouldíve probably noticed the
degradation factor that you bring up.
Karra: correct and that is something that people donít take
into consideration when they talk about duplicating or
making a second clone, they donít realize
the degradation that goes on in the genetic material.
Karra: it is looked upon as humorous. You know, "Multiplicity"
looked at it in a humorous way, it didnít look at the
failing of the genes.
Russ: well itís tough to conceive of the genes failing.
Karra: but they do.
Russ: sure, we see that in cancer patients.
Karra: correct. Now something that seems to be very hard for
people on your planet to understand that there is nothing
wrong with cloning because you are creating in another way a
life form. And I can hear people saying,Ē yes, but what
about the fact that you are playing God?Ē And Iíve
got an answer for that. Maybe God is playing through you,
your God is playing through you to create another personÖ
Karra: another being, another sheep. You not playing a God,
a God is playing through you, giving you the intelligence to
be able to do so. And thereís the theological discussions
that go with that. Maybe it is not God? Maybe it is not a
higher dimensional being with a positive outlook, maybe it
is the negative higher being with a negative purpose? And
you could sit and discuss that in a theological sense
for eons. I think Omal was correct in saying a good name
would be time, time management.
Karra: because again weíre looking at time. But itís a moral
it right to create a new life? Well?
Russ: in the fact of biological creation? Yes. Scientific
creation? Even I have troubles with that now.
Karra: why do you have troubles with it?
Russ: well just because thereís enough people on
this world, I donít see a need to be creating new ones when
can make them
naturally without having to worry about it.
Karra: that is not a moral discussionÖ..
Karra: itís not a moral dilemma, that is a scientific
a social and economic outlook.
the scientific would be the fact that we can use the genetic
cloning to take away diseasesÖ
Russ: and such but at the same time, if it degrades after
each clone, that's not really an effective way to
you need just a single cell to do so. If you take enough
genetic material, let us say I take a pint of your blood, I
can make billions of you and not have to worry about the
Russ: hmm, which brings me back to the other point, thatís a
billion too many.
Karra: yes but let us say I come down to your world right?
Karra: I donít have any children and we want a child.
Karra: and I canít have children by the normal method. Now,
let us say that they take one of my cells and
one of your cells, we put them together and clone both of us
so that Iím carrying twins. A copy of you and a copy of me.
Karra: they are not exact duplicates of you or I because A,
they will be physical copies of us but they wonít be exact
duplicates because environmental factors are different,
experiences will be different, food supply will be
different so they cannot be exact, exact duplicates of us. They are
physical and genetic duplicates but they're not exactly us.
Well again we get into the moral issue on it.
Karra: yes but what Iím saying is the fact that I am in
essence with your child. You understand? Iím not saying itís
right or wrong.
Karra: I'm saying look at the alternative side of the coin.
Russ: yeah, I agree with that. In some cases it does have a
very valid point.
Russ: in other cases, I can see where there would be wars started
Russ: but again, thatís really the lesson that we
have to get through consciously for each of us before we can
advance from the point where we left it at in Atlantis.
Karra: yes. You see, the problem with Atlantis and
experiments there was not so much creating replicas of
people, it was creating almost a new species, new
individuals with lesser intelligence but greater physical
strength. What you were doing or what was going on was
slavery, building a slave army.
Karra: all the abilities had been walled up and blocked so
that these beings would work and do and not be able to fight
back against the master, the controller of them.
Russ: hmm well, in one sense you know thatís no way could
even be morally
Russ: because youíre taking away someoneís no matter what,
freedom of choice.
Karra: but they never had that right, they never had that
knowledge that they had freedom of choice.
Russ: but is it right to keep that from them?
well see what I mean?
could play the advocate here but Iím not going to because we
both know the people that were at fault.
Karra: hmm and we also know that the individual that went on
a crusade against itÖ.
Karra: and letís not open up old wounds.
Russ: I agree.
Karra: we have to overcome that, we as in we three, four,
five. (She's talking about an Atlantean past
life where Karra and myself were on opposite sides of the
debate with Mark, Tia and Kiri.)
Russ: I agree, I think weíve pretty much figured that out to
this point anyway.
Russ: and we've spent a lot of time working on that.
Karra: yes we have. I see it now not as good or bad, I see
it as necessity dictates.
Russ: true. Would it be done again? No.
Karra: letís take a very good, mutual friend of oursÖ
Karra: and the fact that his current species started off as
Karra: they were cloned and genetically altered to be what
Russ: right, but they gained freedom of speech and thoughtÖ.
Russ: as did we.
Karra: correct. You see if you look at Taalís, the purpose
of Taalís race, is it good or bad?
Karra: I see it as neither, neither good nor bad. The reason
being is the fact that Taal's race was
designed for one purpose....
Karra: to fly ships and to kill, is that good?
Russ: defensively yes.
Russ: offensively no.
Karra: so it is neither good or bad.
Karra: it is what is necessary. Without those early clones
of Taalís race, we wouldnít have such a good friend, we
wouldnít have such a good friend as Katrina either or the Baron
or any of those guys. Or Marta, none of them would be here you
Russ: so you have to look farther down the road, you have to
look from Atlantis to this point.....
Russ: and so on so yeah I guess it is necessity just as
everything thatís happened to this point has been
Russ: how are we to say what was or was not to happen?
Karra: yes, we donít know.
Russ: all right my love, thank you very much.
Karra: love you
(Kiri comes on in place of Tia.)
Russ: oh, hi Kiri.
Russ: booting out your sister?
Kiri: yeah, actually more along the lines of poking her out.
Russ: I can tell. All right dear, what are you up to?
Kiri: me? Iím doing okay.
Russ: the difference between genetic engineering and regular
Kiri: beats me.
arenít you working with the same principles?