Archivist Notes: It's 2016 and so with a
fresh year come a fresh perspective on how time is
perceived across the dimensions. Omal named this
session for a dissertation he gave in it which goes
down as one of the best explanations for the fourth
dimension and the properties of time he gave in the
sessions recorded. Side two of this tape is missing a
section that missed being recorded so it is shorter
To get there though, Tia
comes on first with a retrospective look at how the
Internet affected the stock market as it was becoming
more and more of a factor because of online
transaction speed. She also returns to the Clintons
and another mysterious death which has suspicious
implications. With the end of both the century and
millennium coming to an end, we compare other periods
of time where both the financial and spiritual growths
had been prevalent. She discusses how the spiritualism
of the '20 gave rise to the noticeable acceptability
the new age of '90 was a result. How things like the
5th dimensional ascension is often used in place of a
6th dimensional ascension for the sake of
understanding by some entities. She finishes up her
portion of the session with a reminder why the Hades
Base News has to be put out on the web for the greater
good and not financial reward. Omal next treats us to
time from his concept of it from the seventh
dimension. What follows is both enlightening and
mind-numbing in the concepts presented. Repeated
listening still has my mind warped as much as his
descriptions of the fourth dimension. Back then he had
me demonstrate on as a third dimensional being tend to
think two dimensionally due to my environment. he
wraps up side on with a description of how time really
works from someone who can see the fourth dimension
from a perspective that even Karra found fascinating.
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(The Ring Mistress gets the session started with a lesson in Durondedunn.)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)
Russ: how goes it my dear?
(Tia expands on her greeting.)
Russ: good to hear. Ahh, sheís not hereÖ..
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: sheís upstairs.
Russ: (says one of the cats names in Durondedunn.)
Tia: (says the name in proper Durondedunn.)
Russ: right yeah, her.
Tia: I wasnít calling ďHurrahĒ.
Russ: oh, it sounded like it.
Tia: I was just asking how you were doing?
Russ: oh, Iím doing good.
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn.)
Russ: the inflection was kind of iffy.
Tia: oh, my inflection was kind of iffy huh?
Russ: well try it. Whatís the difference between how are you and ďHurrahĒ?
Tia: (Tia sounds out the words in Durondedunn.) Thatís who you call Mongi,
ďHurrahĒ. (One of the house cats.)
Russ: and how do you say how are you?
Tia: (we hear how are you in Durondedunn.)
Russ: it sounds a lot like the same except for two extra syllables.
Tia: softer. (Says the words in Durondedunn.)
Russ: okay, it sounds the same to me but thatís just me.
Tia: itís a harderÖ(Demonstrates once more.)
Russ: oh, well she's out anyway.
Russ: anyway, good evening.
Tia: good evening, how are you?
Russ: oh real well, real well......
Russ: quite relaxed.
Tia: uh-huh. So, okay itís going to break 9,000.
Tia: it is.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay letís look at the market here. Okay, let us address the market. Let us look at the stock market and the reason for its rapid growth. Okay, let me see, how do I put this? Okay, the problems and the crises in foreign markets in the Orient are part of the reason for the wild upward trend of the U.S. stock market. The investors in European countries and Asian countries that were invested within those markets have pulled out their finances and are investing in the US market because A, the political system is hogtied and the government is not doing what itís supposed to be doing which is running the country, itís fighting amongst itself at the moment trying to remove or indict orÖ..yes? Or indict its leader. And this internal bickering and fighting and namby-pamby manhandling and the upcoming elections and so on are part of the reason why the market is on its upward trend. This is not unusual but, due to the fact that of the setup of the computer age, it makes it easier to track and move vast sums of money in a very short period of time. Instead of cabling, sending, going to a financier and so on which is the way that it used to be done before communication was almost instantaneous. A good example is sending electronic mail over the Internet. It takes a mere few seconds to send a message and to transfer large sums of money because of the global network. This in itself is a two-edged sword, it makes things swift and easy and it means also that negative things are swift and easy.
Tia: (speaks some more Durondedunn.) You understand?
Tia: do you have any questions?
Russ: well with this ease of transfer of funds, doesnít that make it actually harder for people to control where the money is going?
Tia: in what way?
Russ: well I mean it makes it ripe for theft doesnít it?
Tia: oh yes, yes it does and it does happen but they have their own safeguards, they being the banks. You see what actually happens is that when you transfer large sums of money, it actually doesnít leave the country theoretically. Although the money is being transferred to buy stocks and stuff right? It doesnít actually leave the country. It stays within the bank of that country that now owns those shares which in turn sells it to the investor and it all happens very, very quickly.
Russ: right, itís just electronic money.
Tia: uh-huh. So what the banks are actually doing is using their reserves to buy where the reserves are kept in the United States those shares and in turn those shares are sold to the buyer through a broker so that they're actually buying the shares in their own country but overseas. And what is happening is that when they buy, the bank then goes with the money that they put in and buys the exact same amount in currency.
Tia: this stops theft.
Tia: or helps to prevent it. Itís a very tricky and convoluted system and it works extremely well which is quite surprising actually.
Russ: I agree with that.
Russ: hmm, so basically fortunes are being made and broken every day right?
Russ: hmm and all on the basis of electronic money not real money.
Tia: correct. Itís the old adage of it's all paper, itís all on paper.
Russ: right. Okay, when you say that things could go wrong very badly, thatís due to the fact that people could put in sell orders very quickly.
Tia: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: but now the safeguards are in to keep that from happeningÖ..
Russ: but at too fast a rate it will still continue.
Tia: correct and the thing that is still confusing me is why do they have these trading curves in? If they didnít have the trading curves in, it wouldíve reached 9,000 a few weeks ago.
Russ: well it started out at what point?
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: it went down at one point and then started up to the point it's at now.
Russ: what point did it start at, 3,000?
Tia: 7,500 was when it started the climb but it was slow to start off with, it was very jagged and slow and now within the last few of weeks itís basically skyrocketed which is entertaining the fact that it dovetails very closely with what is going on in the White House. And getting to the White House, it is funny to see that all these people are coming out now that the president is not in the country and there was another mysterious death as well.
Russ: who died this time?
Tia: not quite sure, I only saw the reports briefly but it was somebody that had dealings with Clinton.....I think it was a owner of a car company actually or a place that sells cars.
Tia: a car dealer owner had a check for $20,000 from the Whitewater whatever it was land management thingy and he mysteriously died the other day.
Russ: was he too old or something?
Tia: no, he died in a car crash.
Russ: a car crash?
Russ: what a bummer.
Tia: very mysterious, I donít think thereís been any president that has so many people die around him mysteriously.
Russ: well Johnson did.
Tia: true, true but I think the Clinton Administration at least has twice as many.
Russ: hmm, well thatís because you have to count the Ron Brown accident.
Tia: yes, the Ron Brown accident.
Russ: which racked up a number all at once.
Tia: I think it was like 19.
Tia: but you see what Iím saying that there is something very odd going on with this administration?
Russ: well, I agree with that.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, hmm, do you know why Clinton wears boxers?
Tia: to keep his feet warm.
Russ: thatís a good one.
Tia: okay, do you know what the new game is in the White House?
Tia: swallow the leader.
Tia: donít like those jokes do you?
Russ: well I donít know, itís just getting to be old hat with him.
Tia: yes it is and Iím getting tired of going over the same things dealing with the political setup. Itís really a protocol and moral issue, you know the lack of ethics, the lack of morals and the lack of protocol and itís something that is sad to see.
Tia: you know what Iím saying?
Russ: but this sort of ties in with where the countryís at right now doesn't it?
Tia: yeah it does unfortunately, itís a direct reflection of what is going on in the world. Now I haveÖ..
Russ: there's some countries that actually honor that.
Russ: France for one.
Tia: yes. Now changing the subject, Iíve sent my predictions in to be passed on to Omal and Omal is going to pass them on to Ashtar and it should be maybe a week, two weeks before I get the information back.
Tia: in the meantime, Iím not going to say anything due to the fact that the speculations and lines of probability have to be analyzed by Omal and Ashtar before I can say anything as much as I would like to. I don't want to be a leak in the cabinet.
Tia: so do you have any questions?
Russ: hmm, yeah I've got a couple actually.
Russ: now in reading things into where the countryís at right now, where the world is at, there is a culmination between the financial and the spiritual side of the worldÖ..
Russ: that is leading in a direction that points toward growth.
Russ: while we know differently, is that still enough that people are going to follow through with that no matter what happens?
Tia: to a certain extent yes, there is obviously much more growth in a spiritual nature as can be seen by popular media, popular entertainment and generally looking around that the people that were once thought of as strange, bizarre, unusual are now being accepted more and more. Itís more like a new religion or a revival of an old, ancient religion.
Russ: well it sort of reminds me of the early Ď20's.
Tia: uh-huh, the revival into spiritualism.
Russ: correct but at the same time there was a financial growth going onÖ.
Russ: that was sort of paralleling that at the same time.
Tia: yes, very true so, very true. Also something that needs to be looked at is the end of the century symptoms, normal things that occur at the end of centuries in growth in spiritualism, wild investment, careless abandonment and what makes it even worse and heightened is the fact of the turn of the millennium as well. So not only do you have turn-of-the-century but you also have the millennium disease where people think that the world is going to come to an end on the night of 2001.
Tia: well as we stated in the past when there have been predictions coming up of the end of the world, ďoops, we missed it, we must have all been asleep.Ē But...
Russ: well what happened in the earlier part of the 1890's before we hit 1900?
Russ: letís say 1898.
Tia: thatís not the early part of the 1890's, thatís the latter part of the 1890's.
Russ: right the latter part but wasn't that more similar to what you could be called now?
Tia: yes in a way it was, it was very similar apart from it wasnít so feverish and heightened due to the fact that you didnít have the millenniumism going on as well.
Russ: true, that was just the change of a century or a decade.
Russ: right but at the same time they were going from a technological backwater to great changes technology wise.
Tia: well at the time they thought that they were reaching to the pinnacle of technology.
Russ: right, I mean at the time I mean you were getting labor saving devices coming in all the timeÖ..
Russ: travel had become commonplace from coast-to-coastÖ.
Russ: where just 50 years before, you were talking the wild West.
Russ: communications wereÖÖ
Tia: again almost instantaneous, a few minutes delay.
Russ: right, a few minutes delay but not that much.
Russ: mail service was much, much better.
Tia: uh-huh. It still took about a week for it to go from one coast to the other whereas now it takes a couple of days or instantaneously with the communication device.
Russ: right, now when we hit 1900, nothing happened really outrageous.
Russ: but that was because there was no millennium involved.
Tia: thatís correct.
Russ: so this is actually quite a nice time to be alive.
Tia: uh-huh. There is an opportunity right now for so much investment and advancement that itís ridiculous. Not necessarily in the stock markets but in the fear of the turn of the century and the millennium. These people areÖ.thereís a lot of people out there that are afraid of the turn of the millennium.
Russ: right. When did Casey do his stuff?
Tia: wasnít it in the Ď20's and Ď30's?
Russ: back when spiritualism was still going on.
Russ: right. So in essence, weíre seeing kind of a parallel in the same time zone.
Russ: hmm, now how does this affect our changing toward a higher dimensional view? Iíve read in the latest Sedona Journal of Emergence something from Ashtar AthenaÖ..
Russ: being channeled through a ladyÖ.
Russ: talking about how the humans on earth need to if they are going to move into a fifth dimensional earth existence, they have to raise their auric vibrations or they will have moved on to another school.
Tia: but again itís how things are worded and how people read into things.
Russ: yeah well I mean this fifth dimensional stuff, itís really getting old.
Russ: I mean people have really got that so serious that it's almost the norm now.
Tia: yes it is and it is irritating. The thing that Iíve noticed is that people, especially channelers when they have the host body they use the medium that is easy for people to understand. For example if letís say Kiri wanted to talk to a astral engineer right?
Tia: would you understand what they were talking about?
Russ: of course not.
Tia: you rememberÖno she didnít talk with whatís his name, the guy that had a debate with Omal and Korton.
Russ: you mean Mike? (Not Carrie's Mike.)
Tia: yes but I think that they wouldíve sat there and discussed in great detail stuff that would be totally beyond you or I. Kiri would have probably got very annoyed with him very quickly.
Russ: well yeah, she doesnít have the kind of patience that Omal has.
Tia: no or Korton. So you see that channelers use the linguistics that is necessary to get the point over. The fact that Ashtar Athena frequently uses the fifth dimension as a explanation is because everybody knows the fourth dimension is time.
Russ: right and the fifth dimension is space.
Tia: correct but not so many people know that that the fifth dimension is space soÖ..
Russ: well still, I mean how does that relate to our being able to move into it?
Tia: because it is a name, nothing more.
Russ: well it was a popular rock group back in the Ď60's.
Tia: what, Fifth Dimension?
Tia: well in actual fact itís the sixth dimension that she means but she's saying the fifth dimension because itís easier to understand for the everyday person.
Russ: but that merely perpetuates the myth.
Tia: correct and if she was to sit down and every time she channeled and try to explain that the fifth dimension is a work space, here is how it works and that you will moving to the sixth dimension.....
Russ: well it gets kinda old being the only ones who are actually pushing something like this.
Tia: no itís not, you just be very patient and explain that the name is irrelevant and the fact that what does matter is the spiritual growth which everybody agrees on.
Tia: yeah it is a popular misconception.
Russ: but you know, I canít understand the part where she says that people who are not in their auric fifth dimensional vibrations will not continue on this planet. They'll go on a new school and so on and so forth.
Tia: uh-huh now this channeler, this host body, was it a conscious or trance channel?
Russ: not sure, if you want, I can go check real quick.
Tia: itís notÖ(Speaks some more Durondedunn to the cats in the room.)
Russ: well itís not the first time I've heard this that there will be a transcendence and there will be an ascending to a higher levelÖ..
Russ: and if youíre not there, well too bad...
Russ: youíre not going to make it. Earth is moving into its fifth dimensional unity. Now if she means the sixth dimensional unity, if we substitute, sixth dimensional for fifth dimensional okay? It still doesnít make sense.
Tia: it sounds like the hostís emotions and feelings are getting in the way, that the host is either a partial trance or a conscious channel.
Russ: well let me get you theÖ..hold on for a second.
Russ: okay, here it is. All right, ďthe consciousness grid for earthís entrance into the new millennium will be fully established and activated by the year 2000. Each person who wishes to enter into the fifth dimensional version of life on earth must have a corresponding geometric patterns within their auric fields. Those that are out of alignment with these keynotes will find themselves moving into another dimensional reality and school. Since 1998 is a year of peace, people of earth must do whatever it takes to establish a firm, collective structure to ensure global peace.Ē
Tia: okay, now is it a conscious or trance channeler, that is the important thing.
Tia: that is one of the things you have to be careful of, that is something that weÖ.
Russ: well thatís why I wanted to grab the book, Iím paraphrasing to just start at a stoplight.
Tia: what we could do with the Hades Base News is debunk a lot of this stuff butÖ.
Russ: then it just looks like weíre just picking fights, thereís no point in it.
Tia: exactly and Omal is very cautious not to do that.
Russ: because it wastes time and energy.
Tia: thatís right but in a way yes we do do debunking.
Russ: well true.
Tia: I mean the whole entire Hale-Bopp thing, we debunked that. We werenít or you werenít quick enough to get it on the Internet because you didnít see it as importantÖ.(Speak some more Durondedunn to the cats.)
Russ: well I didnít think it important at the time.
Tia: no but it was important.
Russ: but it turned out to be very important.
Tia: uh-huh but it wouldnít have changed anything.
Russ: no, of course not, Heaven's Gate was already set in motion.
Tia: oh yes, much like this Lin Kim or Lim Chim or whoever that claims that last Wednesday, God would appear on channel 18. Well?
Russ: God didnít make it, maybe heís tied up with something else, the Almighty has a lot on his schedule Iím sure.
Tia: oh I know so.
Russ: well this is what I mean is people who have inflated opinions of themselves and their abilities and so and basically perpetuate these myths that go out.
Tia: yes well thatís one of the things that we're trying to stop with when we advertised and asked for channelers right?
Tia: we had the discussion that people would only get involved and the few people that you research would only get involved for what?
Tia: publicity and money, not for the common good and the spiritual growth.
Russ: yeah well they have these abilities and they see that these abilities is being able to accomplish goals that they've set for themselves.
Tia: yeah well they see it as the goddess given right to make fiscal growth for themselves when they would be much better served being much better serving of the people and much more rewarded if they didnít worry about these fiscal rewards. Okay, now Iíve got to go and catch Joey and we're going to send Joey down with a technician to the apartment. (Markís astral traveling cat who followed him to the base.)
Russ: oh if it was down here, Iím going "thatíll be a trick".
(Omal times it perfectly with his entrance.)
Omal: greetings Russ and how are you functioning?
Russ: greetings Omal, doing quite well actually.
Omal: good, good, good.
Russ: you know, finally in a humorous mood actually.
Omal: yes, I noticed Tia was also in a feisty, playful mood.
Russ: yes she was.
Omal: what transpired with the cats? I saw the host body start to move and then the kittens scatter.
Russ: well they saw a mother cat I guess or something that they would consider to be a more commanding figure coming at them.
Russ: being as she does talk their language.
Russ: so how are you this evening?
Omal: I am doing well, I am a little disappointed that Monka and Ashtar Athena are not present.
Russ: well they're probably busy doing higher dimensional stuff.
Omal: yes. It is something that even I have noticed that higher than myself, the dimensional beings work on a totally different timescale and as I believe Leonedies pointed out, that a second can seem like an eternity and a year can seem like a moment, a flash of light.
Russ: well wouldn't also the fact that they are higher dimensional beings be teaching with their actions as well as their words? For example, teaching us patience?
Omal: yes, yes, very, very likely.
Russ: and being able to understand I suppose have an openness of mind for those who you knowÖÖ
Omal: work on a different timescale.
Omal: that is correct, that is what Iím trying to say. Iím trying to lead you to the correct conclusion without leading you too hard.
Russ: right, yeah and I've seen this before, with especially with people like SanandaÖ..
Russ: where actions are actually used more than phrases are.
Omal: well actions are a stronger learning tool.
Omal: on the higher dimensions, we can relay information in a nano second the whole entire discussion that you had with Tia and as far up to this point with myself, I could relay to Korton, Sananda, Monka, Athena, anyone, in a nano second.
Russ: but doesnít thatÖ..you have hundreds of thousands of years available and if youíre passing along stuff in nanoseconds, doesnít that kind of make things tough to watch go by? Smelling the roses kind of thing?
Omal: what is Leonedies' explanation, I just gave it to you?
Russ: right, being able to sit there and smell the roses.
Russ: or daisies.
Russ: oh, well teaching by example.
Omal: a second can seem like an eternity.
Russ: right, oh thatís right. So a nanosecond seems like hundred eternities.
Omal: no a nanosecond is..
Russ: or is less then, yeah.
Russ: right. Hmm, must be a higher then theredness to it I donít quite comprehend.
Omal: yes, it seems to be alluding you the fact that oh, name for recording tonight?
Omal: time management.
Omal: as it seems to be a key issue that controlling and understanding that people work on different timescales, even on your planet, people look at things in different time ways.
Omal: tomorrow, I will take care of it tomorrow, I will take care of it next week, my investments will come in next year, in 10 years. In 50 years I plan to be retired and 20 years is a long time. You are 38 my, that is a long time. All these things are time management, looking at time in a different way. The structure of the thought processes is very linear. It is not third dimensional......I donít mean third dimensional as in your space, your reality, I mean as in seeing things in a third dimensional way and thinking in a third dimensional way.
Russ: right. Well, being around you and the others of Hades Base have given us a lot more sense of time in the fact that when we deal with things like Atlantis or even your lifetimeÖ.
Russ: we're looking back on history, big, huge chunks of history that canít even conceived by just yesterday or the day before, add on a million other days before that to get to that point.....
Omal: yes, correct.
Russ: and yet look at that in one big chunk.
Omal: a good example on how three dimensional thinking works into everyday life. Okay, my hand is yours to move, tell me where to move it.
Russ: move it to your chest.
Omal: okay, tell me where to move it now.
Russ: on top of your other hand.......yeah.
Omal: okay, itís moved across. Okay now move it again.
Russ: to your forehead.
Russ: one more? Your left shoulder......left shoulder.
Omal: okay now, how did you move everything from its original start point? You started off very promisingly. You moved it down to the chest, to the other hand, to the left shoulder.
Russ: forehead then left shoulder.
Omal: forehead, left shoulder.
Omal: now what is all of that?
Russ: that is a linear movement of your hand.
Omal: that is all two dimensional thinking.
Omal: except for moving it down. Why not move it from here higher, full extension of the arm?
Omal: why not move diagonally down to the shoulder? Move diagonally to above the pelvis?
Russ: well because I suppose I see it as the hand needing to be on certain parts your body to give it a certain definite place of being.
Omal: yes but it is a two dimensional thinking processes.
Russ: well I see that now yeah, now that you point that out.
Omal: so everything is linear and two dimensional in the thinking processes. Turning it into a third dimensional thinking process is part of learning the management of time. The fact that timescales mean that thinking processes are different. For example, let us take a third dimensional being. You have just pointed out admirably that they think linearly and two dimensionally.
Omal: if you were to ask Kiri, I am sure that Kiri would have the hand moving different heights and moving around at different angles and levels which is three dimensional thinking. Kiri is older, Kiri has the knowledge of her Akashic records.
Omal: Kiri understands three dimensional thinking. It is not just a third dimensional thought pattern that limits the thinking processes. Individuals in a specific line of employment have to think in different ways. For example, take a pilot, a third dimensional pilot........
Omal: they are in a third dimensional environment.
Omal: if they go down, if they go up, if they go to the sides, it is all part of their thinking processes and it is to do with their environment. Your environment, even though it is three-dimensional, is two dimensional.
Russ: yeah, it's based on linear experience.
Omal: correct. You stand up, you are in a flat plane, you walk forward, you walk backwards, you walk from side to side, you are still dealing on a two-dimensional thought pattern. Experience in time changes that to going up, going down, going up diagonally, going down diagonally and all the various, different variations within that. If you were to draw a sphere around you or create a sphere around you and move that sphere through a three-dimensional world and do with that sphere with you in it as you wish, then your thought processes would be limited to the experiences within that sphere and the movements there capable.
Omal: it is like a glass of water, it does not think of anything else but being a glass of water and all the movements thereof. If you look at things on your planet, they are very two-dimensional in their avenues of movement. Backwards, forwards, side to side, various angles thereof. But if you were to look at the bird, the bird has to think three dimensionally, up, down, side to side, backwards and forwards.
Omal: so the environment plays an important role within the experiences and time again plays within that. Yes feline, you wish to talk? Okay, you wish to run. So you see how the thought processes change with environmental factors and the environmental factors also work with time.
Russ: well now you mention time but time is a fourth dimensional realityÖ.
Russ: and we're speaking on second and third dimensional realities, where does the fourth dimensional reality interact andÖ..
Omal: because it is a linear action, one event follows another, going forward in a line.
Russ: but thatís third dimensional concepts of a fourth dimensional realityÖ..
Russ: which is presented in a two dimensional reality.
Omal: correct so it dovetails in nicely.
Russ: true, so it depends on the dimensional reality you perceive things in determines...
Russ: the dimensional reality that you are talking about.
Omal: that is correct. That for me, I can look back in time, I can look forward in time, I can look to the sides.
Russ: okay, could we quickly just put a little emphasis on that part and how that's accomplished or what you see?
Omal: how do you mean, looking to the sides?
Omal: alternate realities, alternate timelines, alternate existences, those are to the side.
Omal: if you remember when we discussed time a while back.
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: we explained it like a strand of stringÖÖ
Omal: intertwined with lots of other strands of string.
Russ: yeah, it gives you a headache thinking about it.
Omal: well, you maybe.
Russ: me, maybe yeah.
Omal: if you were to take all those strands and lay them out side to side apart from the fact that it would go on indefinitely in either direction, you would be able to look to one side or the other side, to be connected and aware of those alternative existences, those alternative parallel universes running concurrently.
Russ: but the question is and I suppose this is a third dimensional person talking on a two dimensional reality, what difference does it make?
Omal: none whatsoever.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Omal: you cannot move from one to another.
Russ: well that clears up that because I was what just wondering what purpose that could have for me, none whatsoever.
Omal: none whatsoever.
Russ: I understand the reality of it because youíve explained it enoughÖ..
Russ: but I never saw the purpose for needing that ability to see in those directions.
Omal: there really isnít really a need to except for the fact that some are ahead of others and some are behind of othersÖ..
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal continues from his last statement.)
Omal: ......of what may be. Now when you look into the future or people claim to look into the future that have a high accuracy rate, they are seeing things that are already happening on parallel universes that are ahead.
Russ: would this explain dťjŗ vu possibly?
Omal: to a certain extent yes.
Russ: ohhh, well thatís a much better explanation than the one I just gave yesterday.
Omal: okay, let us hear your explanation.
Russ: well my explanation was that if youíre standing on that string of line we talked about and in front of you are all these millions and trillions of possibilities that could happen and you subconsciously create for yourself one that you wish to happen and it turns out to be exactly like the experience that you have months later. But yours is much better because you see actually the parallel lifetime that actually is happeningÖ.
Russ: therefore, when it happens, but how did you get on that parallel lifetime? Just a particular change in a decision that you made?
Omal: no, it is aÖ..youíre not changing paths, youíre still on your path, you're still on your piece of string.
Russ: but you're viewing another path.
Omal: correct and you are getting a glimpse of it.
Russ: good call, thatís a way better explanation, I like that one.
Omal: well I endeavor to please. But you are quite correct that the way of looking at things is very different. I look at things not as one following another but certainly that is a way of looking at things and that is the way I do look at things from time to time. At present I do not look at one thing following another, I am happy and surprised when one thing does follow another, it is no longer necessary for me to do so. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh which is quite a good point.
Omal: yes it is, it serves a very useful purpose.
Russ: oh yes, absolutely. This is something that like I say has bothered me for 30 plus years and youíve given me the explanation in a minute but I donít know, it just clears everything up, itís like a light gets turned on.
Omal: yes but those is 30 plus years are but of the blink of an eye.
Russ: aye, true.
Omal: but yet there again, they are also an eternity.
Russ: hmmm. Now see, I see it as one package of time, 30 plus years is all basically just that set between one point and the point I'm at now.
Omal: that is linear thinking.
Russ: correct. Now how do I go beyond that? Take that 30 plus years and go beyond that to a third dimensional thought process on that space of time?
Omal: to tell you how to do it would take more time thenÖ.if we could communicate the way that I do up here with other seven dimensional and eighth dimensional beings and higher, it would be explained now. Unfortunately, because it is a whole mindset and experience set, it would take a long time to explain. We could start right now and we would not be finished by this time tomorrow.
Russ: Jesus. Okay, well weíll hold off on that little explanation then.
Omal: but to give you a brick to start your buildingÖ
Omal: think of other alternatives to something. Instead of thinking if I put one step forward, the other step will follow, if I put one step forward, what happens?Ē
Russ: hmm, an interesting problem or possibility youíve brought up, yes.
Omal: okay, I put one step down on the ground, the ground pushes back on my foot pushing up.
Omal: I apply pressure, a pressure is applied back.
Omal: that now puts a third dimensional aspect into a two dimensional equation.
Russ: true, that which take as a common everyday occurrence, is now become uncommon and extraordinary.
Omal: correct, that is your brick.
Russ: thank you, excellent way to perceive reality.
Omal: and an excellent way to finish.
Russ: indeed, thank you Omal.
Omal: you are welcome. Again, thank you so very much.
Russ: my pleasure.
Omal: however the flavor was not quite as strong as it was the other night, I think possibly due to the setup that we're using.
Russ: oh youíre probably right.
Omal: it is not like I am wearing the body, I feel some of the as I am linked tighter than I was last week, I feel some of the sensations.
Russ: hmm, well we'll try it again when you have the other setup hooked up.
Russ: so in two weeks then my friend.
Omal: okay, it is a much more warmer and sociable environment. Live long, prosper and Iíll be back.
(Tia makes a quick segue to Karra.)
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey. Yes?
Russ: the tapeís going fast tonight.
Tia: uh-huh, I think it is a matter of time perception.
Russ: I think itís a matter of trying to use as much time as possible just in case the guests happen to show up or not.
Tia: or not. No, it is a perception of time.
Russ: doubly so at lunchtime.
Tia: no, "time is an illusion caused by history, history is an illusion caused by time, lunchtime doubly so."
Russ: ahh, thank you.
Tia: thatís one of Markís favorite phrases. (From Douglas Adams.)
Russ: indeed it is, a good one too.
(Karra joins the session.)
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: howís it going my dear?
Russ: excellent, just cleaning up for you here.
Karra: for me?
Russ: well yeah.
Karra: oh okay, if you insist. Tia just hoofed it out of here at high speed.
Russ: ahh, going to track down our missing guests of honor?
Karra: no, I think it is more along the lines of tracking down a feline that is hoofing it down the hallways.
Russ: ahh Joey.
Karra: yes, I believe Joey made a break for it and the technicianís walked back in bleeding a little.
Russ: yeah well, Joey does have that wish to be free kind of thing about her sometimes.
Karra: wish to be left alone is the more appropriate terminology.
Karra: that discussion with Omal was fascinating.
Russ: that was a really.........I canít wait to get that on the net.
Karra: that would be aÖ..the part on timeÖ..
Russ: time management and dťjŗ vu.
Karra: would be a very good editorial.
Russ: hmm, I believe youíre right.
Karra: selecting the right start point. Now the other night, last night I believe, I was listening to you and Mark discussing the setup for the computer. I have an idea that would be a much better improvement.
Karra: let us say you have the computer with the boom microphone and the software, the dictation software. Why not we start off the channeling sessions down here, we go through the perfunctory greetings, Tia does her whatever.
Russ: morals dissertation.
Karra: no, her hello, how are you things?
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: and then she moves the body upstairs to where the microphone is, you pull up a chair, sit down and discuss and talk with the microphone dictation going on there and then on the spot.
Russ: hmm, that would be a good idea.
Karra: at the end of the channeling session, you see we are no longer limited by 90 minutes.
Karra: certainly we can have the setup so that it is recording up there.
Russ: well there will still be editing involved.
Karra: yes but it will be all written down.
Karra: and not as much work with your digitals.
Karra: that would be an excellent set up.
Russ: okay great.
Karra: okay, do we have anything to discuss more?
Karra: yes, where were we on that?
Russ: cloning and Atlantis.
Russ: that's a recent topic in the Sedona Journal of Emergence I was dealing with.
Karra: yes Iím trying toÖ.I've got so much that I could say about it.
Russ: well okay, Iíll go start anyway and how the article mentions the pain involved from the cloning of that time translates into the hesitation and the actual want to halt or not allow any cloning in this current age.
Karra: okay, now if you remember my side of the discussion is that there is only moral painÖ.
Karra: and the fact that as weíve discussed in the past, you cannot create my exact duplicate or your exact duplicateÖ.
Karra: because of what?
Russ: experiences, soul, everything.
Russ: but at the same time, moral predicaments like that are things that have caused civilizations to crumble.
Karra: no, I wouldn't say that it has caused civilizations to crumble......
Russ: how about the Roman civilization? Its morals degraded to a point where it could no longer maintain its defensive force and it was overrun by a stronger force from without.
Karra: no, actually it destroyed from within.
Russ: but yeah, morals did play a large part in that though.
Karra: correct but what Iím talking about is the morals within a society concerning cloning.
Karra: the fact that duplicating an individual, if we take the movie "Multiplicity", yes that is actually nearer to the truth. The denigration from the original to a simpleton is what would happen.
Karra: to create the first clone in "Multiplicity" was an exact duplicate of the original and it went downhill from there because you are taking......you are making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.
Russ: well see they did not do was reduplicate Dolly, the sheep that they cloned.
Russ: had they done that, they wouldíve probably noticed the degradation factor that you bring up.
Karra: correct and that is something that people donít take into consideration when they talk about duplicating or making a second clone, they donít realize the degradation that goes on in the genetic material.
Karra: it is looked upon as humorous. You know, "Multiplicity" looked at it in a humorous way, it didnít look at the failing of the genes.
Russ: well itís tough to conceive of the genes failing.
Karra: but they do.
Russ: sure, we see that in cancer patients.
Karra: correct. Now something that seems to be very hard for people on your planet to understand that there is nothing wrong with cloning because you are creating in another way a life form. And I can hear people saying,Ē yes, but what about the fact that you are playing God?Ē And Iíve got an answer for that. Maybe God is playing through you, your God is playing through you to create another personÖ
Karra: another being, another sheep. You not playing a God, a God is playing through you, giving you the intelligence to be able to do so. And thereís the theological discussions that go with that. Maybe it is not God? Maybe it is not a higher dimensional being with a positive outlook, maybe it is the negative higher being with a negative purpose? And you could sit and discuss that in a theological sense for eons. I think Omal was correct in saying a good name would be time, time management.
Karra: because again weíre looking at time. But itís a moral discussion, is it right to create a new life? Well?
Russ: in the fact of biological creation? Yes. Scientific creation? Even I have troubles with that now.
Karra: why do you have troubles with it?
Russ: well just because thereís enough people on this world, I donít see a need to be creating new ones when we can make them naturally without having to worry about it.
Karra: that is not a moral discussionÖ..
Karra: itís not a moral dilemma, that is a scientific outlook and a social and economic outlook.
Russ: well the scientific would be the fact that we can use the genetic cloning to take away diseasesÖ
Russ: and such but at the same time, if it degrades after each clone, that's not really an effective way to do that.
Karra: but you need just a single cell to do so. If you take enough genetic material, let us say I take a pint of your blood, I can make billions of you and not have to worry about the replicative fading.
Russ: hmm, which brings me back to the other point, thatís a billion too many.
Karra: yes but let us say I come down to your world right?
Karra: I donít have any children and we want a child.
Karra: and I canít have children by the normal method. Now, let us say that they take one of my cells and one of your cells, we put them together and clone both of us so that Iím carrying twins. A copy of you and a copy of me.
Karra: they are not exact duplicates of you or I because A, they will be physical copies of us but they wonít be exact duplicates because environmental factors are different, experiences will be different, food supply will be different so they cannot be exact, exact duplicates of us. They are physical and genetic duplicates but they're not exactly us.
Russ: hmm. Well again we get into the moral issue on it.
Karra: yes but what Iím saying is the fact that I am in essence with your child. You understand? Iím not saying itís right or wrong.
Karra: I'm saying look at the alternative side of the coin.
Russ: yeah, I agree with that. In some cases it does have a very valid point.
Russ: in other cases, I can see where there would be wars started over it.
Russ: but again, thatís really the lesson that we have to get through consciously for each of us before we can advance from the point where we left it at in Atlantis.
Karra: yes. You see the problem with Atlantis and the cloning experiments there was not so much creating replicas of people, it was creating almost a new species, new individuals with lesser intelligence but greater physical strength. What you were doing or what was going on was slavery, building a slave army.
Karra: all the abilities had been walled up and blocked so that these beings would work and do and not be able to fight back against the master, the controller of them.
Russ: hmm well, in one sense thatís no way could even be morally acceptableÖ.
Russ: because youíre taking away someoneís no matter what, freedom of choice.
Karra: but they never had that right, they never had that knowledge that they had freedom of choice.
Russ: but is it right to keep that from them?
Russ: well see what I mean?
Karra: I could play the advocate here but Iím not going to because we both know the people that were at fault.
Karra: hmm and we also know that the individual that went on a crusade against itÖ.
Karra: and letís not open up old wounds.
Russ: I agree.
Karra: we have to overcome that, we as in we three, four, five. (She's talking about an Atlantean past life where Karra and myself were on opposite sides of the debate with Mark, Tia and Kiri.)
Russ: I agree, I think weíve pretty much figured that out to this point anyway.
Russ: and we've spent a lot of time working on that.
Karra: yes we have. I see it now not as good or bad, I see it as necessity dictates.
Russ: true. Would it be done again? No.
Karra: letís take a very good, mutual friend of oursÖ
Karra: and the fact that his current species started off as clones.
Karra: they were cloned and genetically altered to be what they are.
Russ: right, but they gained freedom of speech and thoughtÖ.
Russ: as did we.
Karra: correct. You see if you look at Taalís, the purpose of Taalís race, is it good or bad?
Karra: I see it as neither, neither good nor bad. The reason being is the fact that Taal's race was designed for one purpose....
Karra: to fly ships and to kill, is that good?
Russ: defensively yes.
Russ: offensively no.
Karra: so it is neither good or bad.
Karra: it is what is necessary. Without those early clones of Taalís race, we wouldnít have such a good friend, we wouldnít have such a good friend as Katrina either or the Baron or Phrisling or any of those guys. Or Marta, none of them would be here you see?
Russ: so you have to look farther down the road, you have to look from Atlantis to this point.....
Russ: and so on so yeah I guess it is necessity just as everything thatís happened to this point has been necessity.
Russ: how are we to say what was or was not to happen?
Karra: yes, we donít know.
Russ: all right my love, thank you very much.
Karra: love you.
(Kiri comes on in place of Tia.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: oh, hi Kiri.
Russ: booting out your sister?
Kiri: yeah, actually more along the lines of poking her out.
Russ: I can tell. All right dear, what are you up to?
Kiri: me? Iím doing okay.
Russ: the difference between genetic engineering and regular engineering?
Kiri: beats me.
Russ: well arenít you working with the same principles?
Kiri: yeah I guess.
Russ: I'll have to ask Kornas about it sometime.
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah I know very little about that kind of healing. Donít think Tia will be back, she I think is hunting down Joey.
Russ: should we try to wake her up upstairs? That will certainly bring her back.
Kiri: no, could do harm.
Russ: well true.
Kiri: I donít know if Joey has faded or not and that the hunt is going to be futile but certainly the technician did have nasty claw marks on his shoulder.
Russ: Joey certainly has gotten more solid.
Kiri: I think the fear made her lash out and become solid briefly.
Kiri: she was fine when Tia picked her up, a little bit uncomfortable but definitely not as fearful.
Russ: well sheís a little bit skitty.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, we're running short on timeÖ..
Kiri: so what are we going to talk about?
Russ: well, Omal and I were discussing time management.
Russ: but you probably wonít get into that.
Kiri: time management.
Russ: well he did mention you in particular.
Kiri: in what way?
Russ: well in your ability to see how things work compared to the ability that Mark and I do.
Kiri: well itís necessary as an engineer the fact that if you think on a linear thought process right? You're limiting yourself.
Kiri: youíre only seeing a flat, horizontal picture. And you as a computer engineer should know better than anybody else, if you think flat and linear, what happens?
Russ: you get into a static mode?
Kiri: correct. So if you think vertically, horizontally, diagonally, youíre not limiting yourself. Let us say you want to build a computer right?
Kiri: and you build it on a flat surface or two dimensionally, what is going to happen?
Russ: well it certainly needs space to grow in.
Russ: and it would grow exponentially from the flat surface that you have.
Kiri: correct however, let us say that you make it three dimensionally.
Russ: so no big deal.
Russ: takes a lot more space.
Russ: and be close enough to each other that makes it portable and works right.
Kiri: thatís right, you see? So you do think third dimensionally but only in relationships to computers. Why not apply that to other things?
Russ: hmmm, because Iím so used to thinking in two dimensions probably.
Russ: linear thought processes and all.
THE TAPE ENDS
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