SIDE ONE
(The ring
mistress gets the session started with a lesson in
Durondedunn)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Russ: how goes it my dear?
(Tia expands on her greeting)
Russ: good to hear. Ahh, she’s not
here…..
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn)
Russ: she’s upstairs.
Tia: who?
Russ: (says one of the cats names in
Durondedunn)
Tia: (says the name in proper
Durondedunn)
Russ: right yeah, her.
Tia: I wasn’t calling 'Hurrah'.
Russ: oh, it sounded like it.
Tia: I was just asking how you were
doing?
Russ: oh, I’m doing good.
(Tia speaks some more Durondedunn)
Russ: the inflection was kind of iffy.
Tia: ohhh, my inflection was kind of
iffy huh?
Russ: well try it. What’s the
difference between how are you and 'Hurrah'?
Tia: (Tia sounds out the words in
Durondedunn) That’s who you call Mongi,
“Hurrah”.
(one
of the house cats)
Russ: and how do you say how are you?
Tia: (we hear how are you in
Durondedunn)
Russ: it sounds a lot like the same
except for two extra syllables.
Tia: softer.
(says
the words in Durondedunn)
Russ: okay, it sounds the same to me
but that’s just me.
Tia: it’s a harder…
(demonstrates
once more)
Russ: oh, well she's out anyway.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: anyway, good evening.
Tia: good evening, how are you?
Russ: oh real well, real well......
Tia: good.
Russ: quite relaxed.
Tia: uh-huh. So, okay it’s going to
break 9,000.
Russ: not.
Tia: it is.
Russ: amazing.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay let’s look at the
market here. Okay, let us address the market. Let us
look at the stock market and the reason for its
rapid growth. Okay, let me see, how do I put this?
Okay, the problems and the crises in foreign markets
in the Orient are part of the reason for the wild,
upward trend of the U.S. stock market. The investors
in European countries and Asian countries that were
invested within those markets have pulled out their
finances and are investing in the U.S. market
because A, the political system is hogtied and the
government is not doing what it’s supposed to be
doing which is running the country, it’s fighting
amongst itself at the moment trying to remove or
indict or…..yes? Or indict its leader. And this
internal bickering and fighting and namby-pamby
manhandling and the upcoming elections and so on are
part of the reason why the market is on its upward
trend. This is not unusual but, due to the fact that
of the setup of the computer age, it makes it easier
to track and move vast sums of money in a very short
period of time. Instead of cabling, sending, going
to a financier and so on which is the way that it
used to be done before communication was almost
instantaneous. A good example is sending electronic
mail over the Internet. It takes a mere few seconds
to send a message and to transfer large sums of
money because of the global network. This in itself
is a two-edged sword, it makes things swift and easy
and it means also that negative things are swift and
easy.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: (speaks some more Durondedunn)
You understand?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: do you have any questions?
Russ: well with this ease of transfer
of funds, doesn’t that make it actually harder for
people to control where the money is going?
Tia: in what way?
Russ: well I mean it makes it ripe for
theft doesn’t it?
Tia: oh yes, yes it does and it does
happen but they have their own safeguards, they
being the banks. You see what actually happens is
that when you transfer large sums of money, it
actually doesn’t leave the country theoretically.
Although the money is being transferred to buy
stocks and stuff right? It doesn’t actually leave
the country. It stays within the bank of that
country that now owns those shares which in turn
sells it to the investor and it all happens very,
very quickly.
Russ: right, it’s just electronic
money.
Tia: uh-huh. So what the banks are
actually doing is using their reserves to buy where
the reserves are kept in the United States those
shares and in turn those shares are sold to the
buyer through a broker so that they're actually
buying the shares in their own country but overseas.
And what is happening is that when they buy, the
bank then goes with the money that they put in and
buys the exact same amount in currency.
Russ: ohhh.
Tia: this stops theft.
Russ: hmmm.
Tia: or helps to prevent it. It’s a
very tricky and convoluted system and it works
extremely well which is quite surprising actually.
Russ: I agree with that.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: hmm, so basically fortunes are
being made and broken every day right?
Tia: yes.
Russ: hmm and all on the basis of
electronic money not real money.
Tia: correct. It’s the old adage of
it's all paper, it’s all on paper.
Russ: right. Okay, when you say that
things could go wrong very badly, that’s due to the
fact that people could put in sell orders very
quickly.
Tia: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: but now the safeguards are in to
keep that from happening…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but at too fast a rate it will
still continue.
Tia: correct and the thing that is
still confusing me is why do they have these trading
curves in? If they didn’t have the trading curves
in, it would’ve reached 9,000 a few weeks ago.
Russ: well it started out at what
point?
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: it went down at one point and
then started up to the point it's at now.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: what point did it start at,
3,000?
Tia: 7,500 was when it started the
climb but it was slow to start off with, it was very
jagged and slow and now within the last few of weeks
it’s basically skyrocketed which is entertaining the
fact that it dovetails very closely with what is
going on in the White House. And getting to the
White House, it is funny to see that all these
people are coming out now that the president is not
in the country and there was another mysterious
death as well.
Russ: who died this time?
Tia: not quite sure, I only saw the
reports briefly but it was somebody that had
dealings with Clinton.....I think it was a owner of
a car company actually or a place that sells cars.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: a car dealer
owner had a check for $20,000 from the
Whitewater whatever it was land management thingy
and he mysteriously died the other day.
Russ: was he too old or something?
Tia: no, he died in a car crash.
Russ: a car crash?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: what a bummer.
Tia: very mysterious, I don’t think
there’s been any president that has so many people
die around him mysteriously.
Russ: well Johnson did.
Tia: true, true but I think the
Clinton Administration at least has twice as many.
Russ: hmm, well that’s because you
have to count the Ron
Brown accident.
Tia: yes, the Ron Brown accident.
Russ: which racked up a number all at
once.
Tia: I think it was like 19.
Russ: yeah.
Tia: but you see what I’m saying that
there is something very odd going on with this
administration?
Russ: well, I agree with that.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, hmm, do you know
why Clinton wears boxers?
Russ: why?
Tia: to keep his feet warm.
Russ: that’s a good one.
Tia: okay, do you know what the new
game is in the White House?
Russ: hmm?
Tia: swallow the leader.
Russ: okay.
Tia: don’t like those jokes do you?
Russ: well I don’t know, it’s just
getting to be old hat with him.
Tia: yes it is and I’m getting tired
of going over the same things dealing with the
political setup. It’s really a protocol and moral
issue, the lack of ethics, the lack of morals and
the lack of protocol and it’s something that is sad
to see.
Russ: yeah.
Tia: you know what I’m saying?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but this sort of ties in with
where the country’s at right now doesn't it?
Tia: yeah it does unfortunately, it’s
a direct reflection of what is going on in the
world. Now I have…..
Russ: there's some countries that
actually honor that.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: France for one.
Tia: yes. Now changing the subject,
I’ve sent my predictions in to be passed on to Omal
and Omal is going to pass them on to Ashtar and it
should be maybe a week, two weeks before I get the
information back.
Russ: okay.
Tia: in the meantime, I’m not going to
say anything due to the fact that the speculations
and lines of probability have to be analyzed by Omal
and Ashtar before I can say anything as much as I
would like to. I don't want to be a leak in the
cabinet.
Russ: right.
Tia: so do you have any questions?
Russ: hmm, yeah I've got a couple
actually.
Tia: okay.
Russ: now in reading things into where
the country’s at right now, where the world is at,
there is a culmination between the financial and the
spiritual side of the world…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: that is leading in a direction
that points toward growth.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: while we know differently, is
that still enough that people are going to follow
through with that no matter what happens?
Tia: to a certain extent yes, there is
obviously much more growth in a spiritual nature as
can be seen by popular media, popular entertainment
and generally looking around that the people that
were once thought of as strange, bizarre, unusual
are now being accepted more and more. It’s more like
a new religion or a revival of an old, ancient
religion.
Russ: well it sort of reminds me of
the early '20's.
Tia: uh-huh, the revival into
spiritualism.
Russ: correct but at the same time
there was a financial growth going on….
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: that was sort of paralleling
that at the same time.
Tia: yes, very true so, very true.
Also something that needs to be looked at is the end
of the century symptoms, normal things that occur at
the end of centuries in growth in spiritualism, wild
investment, careless abandonment and what makes it
even worse and heightened is the fact of the turn-of-the-millennium
as well. So not only do you have turn-of-the-century
but you also have the millennium disease where
people think that the world is going to come to an
end on the night of 2001.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: well as we stated in the past
when there have been predictions coming up of the
end of the world, “oops, we missed it, we must have
all been asleep.” But...
Russ: well what happened in the
earlier part of the 1890's before we hit 1900?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: let’s say 1898.
Tia: that’s not the early part of the
1890's, that’s the latter part of the 1890's.
Russ: right the latter part but wasn't
that more similar to what you could be called now?
Tia: yes in a way it was, it was very
similar apart from it wasn’t so feverish and
heightened due to the fact that you didn’t have the
millenniumism going on as well.
Russ: true, that was just the change
of a century or a decade.
Tia: century.
Russ: century.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: right but at the same time they
were going from a technological backwater to great
changes technology wise.
Tia: well at the time they thought
that they were reaching to the pinnacle of
technology.
Russ: right, I mean at the time I mean
you were getting labor saving devices coming in all
the time…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: travel had become commonplace
from coast-to-coast….
Tia: yes.
Russ: where just 50 years before, you
were talking the wild West.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: communications were……
Tia: again almost instantaneous, a few
minutes delay.
Russ: right, a few minutes delay but
not that much.
Tia: no.
Russ: mail service was much, much
better.
Tia: uh-huh. It still took about a
week for it to go from one coast to the other
whereas now it takes a couple of days or
instantaneously with the communication device.
Russ: right, now when we hit 1900,
nothing happened really outrageous.
Tia: no.
Russ: but that was because there was
no millennium involved.
Tia: that’s correct.
Russ: so this is actually quite a nice
time to be alive.
Tia: uh-huh. There is an opportunity
right now for so much investment and advancement
that it’s ridiculous. Not necessarily in the stock
markets but in the fear of the turn of the century
and the millennium. These people are…...there’s a
lot of people out there that are afraid of the turn
of the millennium.
Russ: right. When did Casey
do his stuff?
Tia: Casey?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: wasn’t it in the '20's and '30's?
Russ: back when spiritualism was still
going on.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: right. So in essence, we’re
seeing kind of a parallel in the same time zone.
Tia: yes.
Russ: hmm, now how does this affect
our changing toward a higher dimensional view? I’ve
read in the latest Sedona Journal of Emergence
something from Ashtar-Athena…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: being channeled through a lady….
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: talking about how the humans on
Earth
need to if they are going to move into a fifth
dimensional Earth existence, they have to
raise their auric vibrations or they will have moved
on to another school.
Tia: but again it’s how things are
worded and how people read into things.
Russ: yeah well I mean this fifth
dimensional stuff, it’s really getting old.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean people have really got
that so serious that it's almost the norm now.
Tia: yes it is and it is irritating.
The thing that I’ve noticed is that people,
especially channelers when they have the host body,
they use the medium that is easy for people to
understand. For example if let’s say Kiri wanted to
talk to a astral engineer right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: would you understand what they
were talking about?
Russ: of course not.
Tia: you remember…no she didn’t talk
with what’s his name, the guy that had a debate with
Omal and Korton.
Russ: you mean Mike?
Tia: yes but I think that they
would’ve sat there and discussed in great detail
stuff that would be totally beyond you or I. Kiri
would have probably got very annoyed with him very
quickly.
Russ: well yeah, she doesn’t have the
kind of patience that Omal has.
Tia: no or Korton. So you see that
channelers use the linguistics that is necessary to
get the point over. The fact that Ashtar-Athena
frequently uses the fifth dimension as a explanation
is because everybody knows the fourth dimension is
time.
Russ: right and the fifth dimension is
space.
Tia: correct but not so many people
know that, that the fifth dimension is space so…..
Russ: well still, I mean how does that
relate to our being able to move into it?
Tia: because it is a name, nothing
more.
Russ: well it was a popular rock group
back in the '60's.
Tia: what, Fifth Dimension?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: well in actual fact it’s the
sixth dimension that she means but she's saying the
fifth dimension because it’s easier to understand
for the everyday person.
Russ: but that merely perpetuates the
myth.
Tia: correct and if she was to sit
down and every time she channeled and try to explain
that the fifth dimension is a work space, here is
how it works and that you will moving to the sixth
dimension.
Russ: well it gets kinda old being the
only ones who are actually pushing something like
this.
Tia: no it’s not, you just be very
patient and explain that the name is irrelevant and
the fact that what does matter is the spiritual
growth which everybody agrees on.
Russ: true.
Tia: yeah it is a popular
misconception.
Russ: but I can’t understand the part
where she says that people who are not in their
auric fifth dimensional vibrations will not continue
on this planet. They'll go on a new school and so on
and so forth.
Tia: uh-huh now this channeler, this
host body, was it a conscious or trance channel?
Russ: not sure, if you want, I can go
check real quick.
Tia: it’s not…
(speaks
some more Durondedunn to the cats in the room)
Russ: well it’s not the first time
I've heard this that there will be a transcendence
and there will be an ascending to a higher level…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and if you’re not there, well
too bad...
Tia: yeah.
Russ: you’re not going to make it.
Earth is moving into its fifth dimensional unity.
Now if she means the sixth dimensional unity, if we
substitute sixth dimensional for fifth dimensional
okay? It still doesn’t make sense.
Tia: it sounds like the host’s
emotions and feelings are getting in the way, that
the host is either a partial trance or a conscious
channel.
Russ: well let me get you the…..hold
on for a second.
Tia: okay.
Russ: okay, here it is. All right,
“the consciousness grid for Earth’s
entrance into the new millennium will be fully
established and activated by the year 2000. Each
person who wishes to enter into the fifth
dimensional version of life on Earth must
have a corresponding geometric patterns within their
auric fields. Those that are out of alignment with
these keynotes will find themselves moving into
another dimensional reality and school. Since 1998
is a year of peace, people of Earth must do
whatever it takes to establish a firm, collective
structure to ensure global peace.”
Tia: okay, now is it a conscious or
trance channeler? That
is the important thing.
Russ: ahh.
Tia: that is one of the things you
have to be careful of, that is something that we….
Russ: well that’s why I wanted to grab
the book, I’m paraphrasing to just start at a
stoplight.
Tia: what we could do with the Hades
Base News is debunk a lot of this stuff but….
Russ: then it just looks like we’re
just picking fights, there’s no point in it.
Tia: exactly and Omal is very cautious
not to do that.
Russ: because it
wastes time and energy.
Tia: that’s right but in a way yes we
do do debunking.
Russ: well true.
Tia: I mean the whole entire Hale-Bopp
thing, we debunked that. We weren’t or you weren’t
quick enough to get it on the Internet because you
didn’t see it as important….
(speaks
some more Durondedunn to the cats)
Russ: well I didn’t think it important
at the time.
Tia: no but it was important.
Russ: but it turned out to be very
important.
Tia: uh-huh but it wouldn’t have
changed anything.
Russ: no, of course not, Heaven's
Gate was already set in motion.
Tia: oh yes, much like this Lin Kim or
Lim Chim or whoever that claims that last Wednesday,
God would appear on channel 18, well?
Russ: God didn’t make it, maybe he’s
tied up with something else, the Almighty has a lot
on his schedule I’m sure.
Tia: oh I know so.
Russ: well this is what I mean is
people who have inflated opinions of themselves and
their abilities and so basically perpetuate these
myths that go out.
Tia: yes well that’s one of the things
that we're trying to stop.......with.......when
we advertised and asked for channelers right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: we had the discussion that people
would only get involved and the few people that you
research would only get involved for what?
Russ: publicity.
Tia: publicity and money, not for the
common good and the spiritual growth.
Russ: yeah well they have these
abilities and they see that these abilities is being
able to accomplish goals that they've set for
themselves.
Tia: they see it as the goddess
given right to make fiscal growth for themselves
when they would be much better served being much
better serving of the people and much more rewarded
if they didn’t worry about these fiscal rewards.
Okay, now I’ve got to go and catch Joey and we're
going to send Joey down with a technician to the
apartment.
(Mark’s astral traveling cat who followed him to the
base)
Russ: oh if it was down here, I’m
going, "that’ll be a trick".
(Omal times
it perfectly with his entrance)
Omal: greetings Russ and how are you
functioning?
Russ: greetings Omal, doing quite well
actually.
Omal: good, good, good.
Russ: in a fairly humorous
mood actually.
Omal: yes, I noticed Tia was also in a
feisty, playful mood.
Russ: yes she was.
Omal: what transpired with the cats? I
saw the host body start to move and
then the kittens scatter.
Russ: well they saw a mother cat I
guess or something that they would
consider to be a more commanding figure coming at
them.
Omal: ahh.
Russ: being as she does talk their
language.
Omal: yes.
Russ: so how are you this evening?
Omal: I am doing well, I am a little
disappointed that Monka and Ashtar-Athena
are not present.
Russ: well they're
probably busy doing higher dimensional stuff.
Omal: yes. It is something that even I
have noticed that higher than myself, the
dimensional beings work on a totally different
timescale and as I believe Leonedies pointed out,
that a second can seem like an eternity and a year
can seem like a moment, a flash of light.
Russ: well wouldn't also
the fact that they are higher dimensional beings be
teaching with their actions as well as their words?
For example, teaching us patience?
Omal: yes, yes, very, very likely.
Russ: and being able to understand I
suppose have an openness of mind for those
who……
Omal: work on a different timescale.
Russ: correct.
Omal: that is correct, that is what
I’m trying to say, I’m trying to lead
you to the correct conclusion without leading
you too hard.
Russ: right, yeah and
I've seen this before, with especially with
people like Sananda…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: where actions are actually used
more than phrases are.
Omal: well
actions are a stronger learning tool.
Russ: right.
Omal: on the
higher dimensions, we can relay information in a
nanosecond the whole entire discussion that you
had with Tia and as far up to this point with
myself, I could relay to Korton, Sananda, Monka,
Athena, anyone, in a nanosecond.
Russ: but doesn’t
that…..you have hundreds of thousands of years
available and if you’re passing along stuff in
nanoseconds, doesn’t that kind of make things
tough to watch go by? Smelling the roses kind of
thing?
Omal: what is
Leonedies' explanation, I just gave it to you?
Russ: right,
being able to sit there and smell the roses.
Omal: no.
Russ: or daisies.
Omal: no.
Russ: oh, well
teaching by example.
Omal: a second
can seem like an eternity.
Russ: right, oh
that’s right. So a nanosecond seems like hundred
eternities.
Omal: no a
nanosecond is..
Russ: or is less
then, yeah.
Omal: correct.
Russ: right. Hmm,
must be a higher then theredness to it I don’t
quite comprehend.
Omal: yes, it
seems to be alluding you the fact that oh, name
for the recording tonight?
Russ: uh-huh?
Omal: time
management.
Russ: good.
Omal: as it seems
to be a key issue that controlling and
understanding that people work on different
timescales, even on your planet people look at
things in different time ways.
Russ: true.
Omal: "tomorrow,
I will take care of it tomorrow, I will take care
of it next week, my investments will come in next
year, in 10 years, in 50 years I plan to be
retired and 20 years is a long time." You are 38,
"my, that is a long time." All these things are
time management, looking at time in a different
way. The structure of the thought processes is
very linear. It is not third dimensional......I
don’t mean third dimensional as in your space,
your reality, I mean as in seeing things in a
third dimensional way and thinking in a third
dimensional way.
Russ: right.
Well, being around you and the others of Hades
Base have given us a lot more sense of time in the
fact that when we deal with things like Atlantis
or even your lifetime….
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: we're
looking back on history, big, huge chunks of
history that can’t even conceived by just
yesterday or the day before, add on a million
other days before that to get to that point.....
Omal: yes,
correct.
Russ: and yet
look at that in one big chunk.
Omal: a good
example on how three dimensional thinking works
into everyday life. Okay, my hand is yours to
move, tell me where to move it.
Russ: move it to
your chest.
Omal: okay, tell
me where to move it now.
Russ: on top of
your other hand.......yeah.
Omal: okay, it’s
moved across. Okay now move it again.
Russ: to your
forehead.
Omal: okay.
Russ: one more?
Your left shoulder......left shoulder.
Omal: okay now,
how did you move everything from its original
start point? You started off very promisingly. You
moved it down to the chest, to the other hand, to
the left shoulder.
Russ: forehead
then left shoulder.
Omal: forehead,
left shoulder.
Russ: right.
Omal: now what is
all of that?
Russ: that is a
linear movement of your hand.
Omal: that is all
two dimensional thinking.
Russ: yeah.
Omal: except for
moving it down. Why not move it from here higher,
full extension of the arm?
Russ: hmm.
Omal: why not
move diagonally down to the shoulder? Move
diagonally to above the pelvis?
Russ: well
because I suppose I see it as the hand needing to
be on certain parts your body to give it a certain
definite place of being.
Omal: yes but it
is a two dimensional thinking processes.
Russ: well I see
that now yeah, now that you point that out.
Omal: so
everything is linear and two dimensional in the
thinking processes. Turning it into a third
dimensional thinking process is part of learning
the management of time. The fact that timescales
mean that thinking processes are different. For
example, let us take a third dimensional being.
You have just pointed out admirably that they
think linearly and two dimensionally.
Russ: sure.
Omal: if you were
to ask Kiri, I am sure that Kiri would have the
hand moving different heights and moving around at
different angles and levels which is three
dimensional thinking. Kiri is older, Kiri has the
knowledge of her Akashic records.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: Kiri
understands three dimensional thinking. It is not
just a third dimensional thought pattern that
limits the thinking processes, individuals in a
specific line of employment have to think in
different ways. For example, take a pilot, a third
dimensional pilot........
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: they are in
a third dimensional environment.
Russ: true.
Omal: if they go
down, if they go up, if they go to the sides, it
is all part of their thinking processes and it is
to do with their environment. Your environment,
even though it is three dimensional, is two
dimensional.
Russ: yeah, it's
based on linear experience.
Omal: correct.
You stand up, you are in a flat plane, you walk
forward, you walk backwards, you walk from side to
side, you are still dealing on a two dimensional
thought pattern. Experience in time changes that
to going up, going down, going up diagonally,
going down diagonally and all the various,
different variations within that. If you were to
draw a sphere around you or create a sphere around
you and move that sphere through a three
dimensional world and do with that sphere with you
in it as you wish, then your thought processes
would be limited to the experiences within that
sphere and the movements there capable.
Russ: true.
Omal: it is like
a glass of water, it does not think of anything
else but being a glass of water and all the
movements thereof. If you look at things on your
planet, they are very two dimensional in their
avenues of movement. Backwards, forwards, side to
side, various angles thereof. But if you were to
look at the bird, the bird has to think three
dimensionally, up, down, side to side, backwards
and forwards.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: so the
environment plays an important role within the
experiences and time again plays within
that......yes feline, you wish to talk? Okay, you
wish to run........so you see how the thought
processes change with environmental factors and
the environmental factors also work with time.
Russ: well now
you mention time but time is a fourth dimensional
reality….
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and we're
speaking on second and third dimensional
realities, where does the fourth dimensional
reality interact and…..
Omal: because it
is a linear action, one event follows another,
going forward in a line.
Russ: but that’s
third dimensional concepts of a fourth dimensional
reality…..
Omal: correct.
Russ: which is
presented in a two dimensional reality.
Omal: correct so
it dovetails in nicely.
Russ: true, so it
depends on the dimensional reality you perceive
things in determines...
Omal: yes.
Russ: the
dimensional reality that you are talking about.
Omal: that is
correct. That for me, I can look back in time, I
can look forward in time, I can look to the sides.
Russ: okay, could
we quickly just put a little emphasis on that part
and how that's accomplished or what you see?
Omal: how do you
mean, looking to the sides?
Russ: yeah.
Omal: alternate
realities, alternate timelines, alternate
existences, those are to the side.
Russ: okay.
Omal: if you
remember when we discussed time a while back.
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: we
explained it like a strand of string……
Russ: right.
Omal: intertwined
with lots of other strands of string.
Russ: yeah, it
gives you a headache thinking about it.
Omal: well, you
maybe.
Russ: me, maybe
yeah.
Omal: if you were
to take all those strands and lay them out side to
side apart from the fact that it would go on
indefinitely in either direction, you would be
able to look to one side or the other side, to be
connected and aware of those alternative
existences, those alternative parallel universes
running concurrently.
Russ: but the
question is and I suppose this is a third
dimensional person talking on a two dimensional
reality, what difference does it make?
Omal: none
whatsoever.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Omal: you cannot
move from one to another.
Russ: well that
clears up that because I was what just wondering
what purpose that could have for me, none
whatsoever.
Omal: none
whatsoever.
Russ: I
understand the reality of it because you’ve
explained it enough…..
Omal: yes.
Russ: but I never
saw the purpose for needing that ability to see in
those directions.
Omal: there
really isn’t a need to except for the fact that
some are ahead of others and some are behind of
others…..
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(Omal continues
from his last statement)
Omal: ......of what may be. Now when
you look into the future or people claim to look
into the future that have a high accuracy rate, they
are seeing things that are already happening on
parallel universes that are ahead.
Russ: would this explain déjà vu
possibly?
Omal: to a certain extent yes.
Russ: ohhh, well that’s a much better
explanation than the one I just gave yesterday.
Omal: okay, let us hear your
explanation.
Russ: well my explanation was that if
you’re standing on that string of line we talked
about and in front of you are all these millions and
trillions of possibilities that could happen and you
subconsciously create for yourself one that you wish
to happen and it turns out to be exactly like the
experience that you have months later. But yours is
much better because you see actually the parallel
lifetime that actually is happening….
Omal: correct.
Russ: therefore, when it happens, but
how did you get on that parallel lifetime? Just a
particular change in a decision that you made?
Omal: no, it is a…..you’re not
changing paths, you’re still on your path, you're
still on your piece of string.
Russ: but you're viewing another path.
Omal: correct and you are getting a
glimpse of it.
Russ: ahh good call, that’s a way
better explanation, I like that one.
Omal: well I endeavor to please. But
you are quite correct that the way of looking at
things is very different. I look at things not as
one following another but certainly that is a way of
looking at things and that is the way I do look at
things from time to time.
At present I do not look at one thing following
another. I am happy and surprised when
one thing does follow another, it is no longer
necessary for me to do so. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh which is quite a good
point.
Omal: yes it is, it serves a very
useful purpose.
Russ: oh yes, absolutely. This is
something that like I say has bothered me for 30
plus years and you’ve given me the explanation in a
minute but I don’t know, it just clears everything
up, it’s like a light got turned on.
Omal: yes but those is 30 plus years
are but of the blink of an eye.
Russ: aye, true.
Omal: but yet there again, they are
also an eternity.
Russ: hmmm. Now see, I see it as one
package of time, 30 plus years is all basically just
that set between one point and the point I'm at now.
Omal: that is linear thinking.
Russ: correct. Now how do I go beyond
that? Take that 30 plus years and go beyond that to
a third dimensional thought process on that space of
time?
Omal: to tell you how to do it would
take more time then…..if we could communicate the
way that I do up here with other seven dimensional
and eighth dimensional beings and higher, it would
be explained now. Unfortunately, because it is a
whole mindset and experience set, it would take a
long time to explain. We could start right now and
we would not be finished by this time tomorrow.
Russ: Jesus. Okay, well we’ll hold off
on that little explanation then.
Omal: but to give you a brick to start
your building…
Russ: okay.
Omal: think of other alternatives to
something. Instead of thinking if I put one step
forward, the other step will follow, if I put one
step forward, what happens?”
Russ: hmm, an interesting problem or
possibility you’ve brought up, yes.
Omal: okay, I put one step down on the
ground, the ground pushes back on my foot pushing
up.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: I apply pressure, a pressure is
applied back.
Russ: interesting.
Omal: that now puts a third
dimensional aspect into a two dimensional equation.
Russ: true, that which take as a
common everyday occurrence, is now become uncommon
and extraordinary.
Omal: correct, that is your brick.
Russ: thank you, excellent way to
perceive reality.
Omal: and an excellent way to finish.
Russ: indeed, thank you Omal.
Omal: you are welcome. Again, thank
you so very much.
Russ: my pleasure.
Omal: however the flavor was not quite
as strong as it was the other night, I think
possibly due to the setup that we're using.
Russ: oh you’re probably right.
Omal: it is not like I am wearing the
body, I feel some of the, as I am linked tighter
than I was last week, I feel some of the sensations.
Russ: hmm, well we'll try it again
when you have the other setup hooked up.
Omal: yes.
Russ: so in two weeks then my friend.
Omal: okay, it is a much more warmer
and sociable environment. Live long, prosper and,
I’ll be back.
(Tia makes a quick segue to Karra)
Tia: (says hi in
Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey. Yes?
Russ: the tape’s going fast tonight.
Tia: uh-huh, I think
it is a matter of time perception.
Russ: I think it’s a matter of trying
to use up as much time as possible just in case the
guests happen to show up or not.
Tia: or not. No, it
is a perception of time.
Russ: doubly so at lunchtime.
Tia: no, "time is an
illusion caused by history, history
is an illusion caused by time, lunchtime doubly so."
Russ: ahh, thank you.
Tia: that’s one of
Mark’s favorite phrases.
(from
Douglas Adams)
Russ: indeed it is, a good
one too.
Tia: uh-huh.
(Karra joins the
session)
Karra: hello.
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: how’s it going my dear?
Russ: excellent, just cleaning up for
you here.
Karra: for me?
Russ: well yeah.
Karra: oh okay, if you insist. Tia
just hoofed it out of here at high speed.
Russ: ahh, going to
track down our missing guests of honor?
Karra: no, I think it is more along
the lines of tracking down a feline that
is hoofing it down the hallways.
Russ: ahh Joey.
Karra: yes, I believe Joey made
a break for it and the technician’s walked back in
bleeding a little.
Russ: yeah well, Joey does have that
wish to be free kind of thing about her sometimes.
Karra: wish to be left alone is the
more appropriate terminology.
Russ: indeed.
Karra: that discussion with Omal was
fascinating.
Russ: that was a really.........I
can’t wait to get that on the net.
Karra: that would be a…..the part on
time…..
Russ: time management and déjà vu.
Karra: would be a very good editorial.
Russ: hmm, I believe you’re right.
Karra: selecting the right start
point. Now the other night, last night I believe,
I was listening to you and Mark discussing the setup
for the computer. I have an idea that would be a
much better improvement.
Russ: okay.
Karra: let us say you have the
computer with the boom microphone and
the software, the dictation software. Why not we
start off the channeling sessions down here, we go
through the perfunctory greetings, Tia
does her whatever.............
Russ: morals dissertation.
Karra: no, her hello, how are you
things?
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: and then she moves the body
upstairs to where the microphone is, you pull up a
chair, sit down and discuss and talk with the
microphone dictation going on there and then on the
spot.
Russ: hmm, that would be a good idea.
Karra: at the end of the channeling
session, you see we are no longer limited by 90
minutes.
Russ: true.
Karra: certainly we can have the setup
so that it is recording up there.
Russ: well there will still
be
editing involved.
Karra: yes but it will be all written
down.
Russ: right.
Karra: and not as much work with your
digitals.
Russ: true.
Karra: that would be an excellent
setup.
Russ: okay, great.
Karra: okay, do we have anything to
discuss more?
Russ: cloning.
Karra: yes, where were we on that?
Russ: cloning and Atlantis.
Karra: hmm.
Russ: that's a recent topic in the
Sedona Journal of Emergence I was
dealing with.
Karra: yes I’m trying to…..I've
got so much that I could say about it.
Russ: well okay, I’ll go start anyway
and how the article mentions the pain involved from
the cloning of that time translates into the
hesitation and the
actual want to halt or not allow any cloning in this
current age.
Karra: okay, now if you remember my
side of the discussion is that there is
only moral pain….
Russ: right.
Karra: and the fact that as we’ve
discussed in the past, you cannot create my exact
duplicate or your exact duplicate….
Russ: right.
Karra: because of what?
Russ: experiences, soul, everything.
Karra: correct.
Russ: but at the same time, moral
predicaments like that are things that
have caused civilizations to crumble.
Karra: no, I wouldn't say
that it has caused civilizations to crumble......
Russ: how about the Roman
civilization? Its morals degraded to a point where it
could no longer maintain its defensive force and it
was overrun by a stronger force from without.
Karra: no, actually it destroyed from
within.
Russ: but yeah, morals did play a
large part in that though.
Karra: correct but what I’m talking
about is the morals within a society concerning
cloning.
Russ: right.
Karra: the fact that
duplicating an individual, if we take the
movie 'Multiplicity',
yes that is actually nearer to the truth. The
denigration from the original to a
simpleton is what would happen.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: to create the first clone in
'Multiplicity'
was an exact duplicate of the original and it went
downhill from there because you are taking......you
are making a copy of a copy of a copy of
a copy.
Russ: well see they did not do was
reduplicate Dolly,
the sheep that they cloned.
Karra: correct.
Russ: had they done that, they
would’ve probably noticed the degradation factor
that you bring up.
Karra: correct and that is something
that people don’t take into consideration when they
talk about duplicating or making a second
clone, they don’t realize the degradation that goes
on in the genetic material.
Russ: uh-hmm.
Karra: it is looked upon as humorous.
'Multiplicity'
looked at it in a humorous way, it didn’t look at
the failing of the genes.
Russ: well it’s tough to conceive of
the genes failing.
Karra: but they do.
Russ: sure, we see that in cancer patients.
Karra: correct. Now something that
seems to be very hard for people on your planet to
understand that there is nothing wrong with cloning
because you are creating in another way a life form.
And I can hear people saying, ”yes, but what about
the fact that you are playing God?”
And I’ve got an answer for that, maybe
God is playing through you, your God is playing
through you to create another person…
Russ: hmm.
Karra: another being, another sheep.
You not playing a God, a God is playing through you,
giving you the intelligence to be able to do so. And
there’s the theological discussions that go with
that. Maybe it is not God? Maybe it is not a higher
dimensional being with a positive outlook, maybe it
is the negative higher being with a negative
purpose? And you could sit and discuss that in a
theological sense for eons. I think Omal was correct
in saying a good name would be time, time
management.......
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: because again we’re looking at
time. But it’s a moral discussion,
is
it right to create a new life? Well?
Russ: in the fact of biological
creation? Yes. Scientific creation? Even I have
troubles with that now.
Karra: why do you have troubles with
it?
Russ: well just because there’s enough
people on this world, I don’t see a
need to be creating new ones when we
can make them naturally without having
to worry about it.
Karra: that is not a moral
discussion…..
Russ: right.
Karra: it’s not a moral dilemma, that
is a scientific outlook and a social and
economic outlook.
Russ: well the scientific
would be the fact that we can use the genetic
cloning to take away diseases…
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and such but at the same time,
if it degrades after each clone, that's
not really an effective way to do that.
Karra: but you need just a
single cell to do so. If you take enough genetic
material, let us say I take a pint of your
blood, I can make billions of you and not have to
worry about the replicative fading.
Russ: hmm, which brings me back to the
other point, that’s a billion too many.
Karra: yes but let us say I come down
to your world right?
Russ: right.
Karra: I don’t have any children and
we want a child.
Russ: okay.
Karra: and I can’t have children by
the normal method. Now, let us say that they take
one of my cells and one of your
cells, we put them together and clone both of us so
that I’m carrying twins. A copy of you
and a copy of me.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: they are not exact duplicates
of you or I because A, they will be
physical copies of us but they won’t be exact
duplicates because environmental factors are
different, experiences will be different, food
supply will be different so they cannot
be exact, exact duplicates of us. They
are physical and genetic duplicates but
they're not exactly us.
Russ: hmm,
well
again we get into the moral issue on it.
Karra: yes but what I’m saying is the
fact that I am in essence with your child. You
understand? I’m not saying it’s right or wrong.
Russ: right.
Karra: I'm saying look at the
alternative side of the coin.
Russ: yeah, I agree with that. In some
cases it does have a very valid point.
Karra: yes.
Russ: in other cases, I can see where
there
would be wars started over it.
Karra: yes.
Russ: but again, that’s really
the lesson that we have to get through
consciously for each of us before we can advance
from the point where we left it at in Atlantis.
Karra: yes. You see the problem with
Atlantis and the cloning
experiments there was not so much creating replicas
of people, it was creating almost a new species, new
individuals with lesser intelligence but greater
physical strength. What you were doing or
what was going on was slavery, building a slave
army.
Russ: true.
Karra: all the abilities had been
walled up and blocked so that these beings would
work and do and not be able to fight back against
the master, the controller of them.
Russ: hmm. Well, in one
sense that’s no way could even be morally
acceptable….
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: because you’re taking away
someone’s no matter what, freedom of choice.
Karra: but they never had that right,
they never had that knowledge that they had freedom
of choice.
Russ: but is it right to keep that
from them?
Karra: ohhhhh....
Russ: well see what I mean?
Karra: I could play
the advocate here but I’m not going to because we
both know the people that were at fault.
Russ: right.
Karra: hmm and we also know that the
individual that went on a crusade against it….
Russ: right.
Karra: and let’s not open up old
wounds.
Russ: I agree.
Karra: we have to overcome that, we as
in we three, four, five.
(she's
talking about an Atlantean past life
where Karra and myself
were on opposite sides of the debate with
Mark, Tia and Kiri)
Russ: I agree, I think we’ve pretty
much figured that out to this point anyway.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and we've spent a lot of time
working on that.
Karra: yes we have. I see it now not
as good or bad, I see it as necessity dictates.
Russ: true. Would it be done again?
No.
Karra: let’s take a very good, mutual
friend of ours…
Russ: okay.
Karra: and the fact that his current
species started off as clones.
Russ: Taal?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: they were cloned and
genetically altered to be what they are.
Russ: right, but they gained freedom
of speech and thought….
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: as did we.
Karra: correct. You see if you look at
Taal’s, the purpose of Taal’s race, is it good or
bad?
Russ: good.
Karra: I see it as neither, neither
good nor bad. The reason being is the fact that Taal's
race was designed for one purpose....
Russ: right.
Karra: to fly ships and to
kill, is that good?
Russ: defensively yes.
Karra: and?
Russ: offensively no.
Karra: so it is neither good or bad.
Russ: right.
Karra: it is what is necessary.
Without those early clones of Taal’s race, we
wouldn’t have such a good friend. We wouldn’t have
such a good friend as Katrina either or The
Baron or Phrisling or any of
those guys. Or Marta, none of them would be here you
see?
Russ: so you have to look farther down
the road, you have to look from Atlantis to this
point.....
Karra: correct.
Russ: and so on so yeah I guess it is
necessity just as everything that’s happened to this
point has been necessity.
Karra: correct.
Russ: how are we to say what was or
was not to happen?
Karra: yes, we don’t know.
Russ: true.
Karra: okay…..
Russ: all right my love, thank you
very much.
Karra: love you.
(Kiri comes on in
place of Tia)
Russ: hi Tia.
Kiri: huh?
Russ: oh, hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo.
Russ: booting out your sister?
Kiri: yeah, actually more along the
lines of poking her out.
Russ: I can tell. All right dear, what
are you up to?
Kiri: me? I’m doing okay.
Russ: the difference between genetic
engineering and regular engineering?
Kiri: beats me.
Russ: well aren’t you
working with the same principles?
Kiri: engineering?
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: yeah I guess.
Russ: I'll have to ask Kornas
about
it sometime.
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah I know very little
about that kind of healing. Don’t think Tia will be
back, she I think is hunting down Joey.
Russ: should we try to wake her up
upstairs? That will certainly bring her back.
Kiri: no, could do harm.
Russ: well true.
Kiri: I don’t know if Joey has faded
or not and that the hunt
is going to be futile but certainly the
technician did have nasty claw marks on his
shoulder.
Russ: Joey certainly has gotten more
solid.
Kiri: I think the fear made her lash
out and become solid briefly.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: she was fine when Tia picked her
up, a little bit uncomfortable but definitely not as
fearful.
Russ: well she’s a little bit skitty.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, we're running
short on time…..
Russ: true.
Kiri: so what are we going to talk
about?
Russ: well, Omal and I were discussing
time management.......
Kiri: umm.
Russ: but you probably
won’t get into that.
Kiri: time management.
Russ: well he did mention you
in particular.
Kiri: in what way?
Russ: well in your ability to see how
things work compared to the ability that Mark and I
do.
Kiri: well it’s necessary as an
engineer the fact that if you think on a linear
thought process right? You're limiting yourself.
Russ: right.
Kiri:
you’re
only seeing a flat, horizontal picture. And you as a
computer engineer should know better than anybody
else, if you think flat and linear, what happens?
Russ: you get into a
static mode?
Kiri: correct. So if you think
vertically, horizontally, diagonally, you’re not limiting
yourself. Let us say you want to build a
computer right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: and you build
it on a flat surface or two dimensionally,
what
is going to happen?
Russ: well it certainly needs space to
grow in.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and it would grow
exponentially from the flat surface that
you have.
Kiri: correct however, let us say that
you make it three dimensionally.
Russ: so no big deal.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: takes a lot more space.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and be close enough to
each other that makes it portable and
works right.
Kiri: that’s right, you see? So you do
think third dimensionally but only in relationships
to computers. Why not apply that to other things?
Russ: hmmm, because I’m so used to
thinking in two dimensions probably.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: linear thought processes and
all.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
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