(Tia gets us ready for a call to Carrie.)
Tia: ......felicitations and welcome to this
channeling session of October 9, 1996. Present this
evening is Skip, Judy, John and just arriving right
Tia: Russell. Okay right, before we make that
telephone call, any questions?
John: there we go, we’re online.
Tia: nevermind, we're going to change the subject.
Russ: what’s what?
Tia: oh, we’re going to call her straightaway?
Russ: oh, what did you want to do?
Tia: I thought we’re going to wait until…..
Russ: we told her 7 o’clock, it’s seven….
Tia: oh you did?
Russ: yeah, it’s 7:35.
Tia: okay, well we better give her a call.
(The phone is dialed but is busy.)
Russ: no it’s not, we can hit redial.
Tia: okay. Well in the meantime, questions.
Skip: yeah, am I ever going to slow down?
Tia: no. Why, do you want to?
Skip: I don’t know, it’s sure getting hectic.
Tia: well you take it upon yourself, the only person
that can slow you down is you. It’s your nature,
you’re one of these nice people that has the I can’t
say no, you know?
Skip: well, I’m going to have to get that way.
Tia: it’s up to you, it’s up to you. How do you feel
about being hectic? Are you happy?
Skip: it’s exasperating.
Skip: I can’t seem to get enough done.
Tia: well time is a slippery thing.
Skip: slippery ain’t the word for it.
Skip: it’s like a piece of ice, it keeps melting
through your hand.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, Judy, questions?
Judy: what’s going on?
Tia: well we’ve got a very, very hectic schedule
tonight, we'll get everything out of the way first
before we get down to the serious stuff.
Skip: we're gonna have to leave by 9 o’clock
Tia: okay that’s no problem, that’s why we’re going
to hustle through with you. What I will do is we
have oh, two guest speakers, we have Omal, we have
Kiri, we have Karra……no, we have three guest
speakers now. Okay we’ve got a real crowd in here
tonight so we will start and we will put on the
first guest speaker which can only stay for a few.
Oh no, four guest speakers, this is too many.
(Our first guest speaker Lyka
comes to the channeling a bit bruised from the
Russ: hi Lyka.
Russ: can only be for a few huh?
Lyka: yeah, I’ve got get back to my office.
Skip: how you doing sweetheart?
Lyka: I’m doing fine, I’m all set, I’m ready and I
am a lean, mean fighting machine.
John: that little bump on your head didn’t hurt you
too badly did it?
Lyka: nah, I’ve had worse.
John: yeah I’m sure you have but you were bleeding
Lyka: oh I took some ice, I am…..
Skip: suggestion darling.
Skip: take off your steel shoes on the marble
Lyka: I didn’t have time, it was sort of like, “can
you get down here?” “Well, let me put
something……right now? Okay, I’m on the way.” So I
Russ: she'd have to have bare feet.
Lyka: I didn’t want to undo all the straps and
Lyka: I have to take it from down here.
Skip: oh okay.
Lyka: uh-huh. Okay….
Russ: Skip, this is all yours dude.
Russ: it's all yours.
Skip: it’s all mine?
Russ: yeah, go for it.
Skip: well I want to meet this lady.
Lyka: you want to meet me?
Russ: (laughs) don’t we all.
Lyka: well I'll see if I can grab a UFO and make off
with it. I can use platoon strength, take a UFO and
hop down there. Can you put up 30 individuals? Well
29, my commanding officer won't be able to come,
she'll get into trouble.
John: oh yeah, we can put up 30 individuals….
John: for a little picnic gathering type thing?
John: oh sure, not a problem.
Skip: how long do you want to stay?
Lyka: we’ll probably only be able to stay for maybe
a week or two.
John: oh no problem.
Lyka: yeah we'll do it in the winter when there's
lots of snow so we can ski and have fun.
Skip: well wait till the winter flies up.
John: yeah, we'll wait till the snow flies and you
guys can come on down and yeah, I’m sure Russ
wouldn’t mind putting you guys up. I mean if
Skip: we can separate them.
Skip: you don’t all have to stay in the same billet
Lyka: no, no, all within a 100 mile radius, 30 of
us. Well 29 lean, mean fighting machines.
Skip: yeah, you don’t have to all stay in the same
billet, we can split things up.
Lyka: just kidding, I can do any of that, I wish I
could. I’m only a second lieutenant.
Skip: oh boy.
Lyka: uh-huh, it would be nice, I'd like to come
down there for a break, I’ve only heard stories.
I’ve been to the third dimension though.
Skip: well I'll tell you what believe it or not Lyka
but this is.....what would you call it? Trying to
think of the word and can’t seem to get my mind
Lyka: have you thought about taking up acting
lessons? You sound just like that gentleman that was
in "The Spirit of St. Louis Story".
Skip: oh, well that’s about the way our….
Russ: oh Lindberg.
Lyka: James Stewart?
John: yeah, Jimmy Stewart starred in that, the
Skip: yeah, yeah.
John: yes, Jimmy Stewart.
Skip; yeah Jimmy Stewart, he kind of hesitates and
that's my problem I guess.
Lyka: Kiri mentioned it.
Skip: oh, yeah, this would be like the dark ages to
you down here.
Lyka: oh great, be able to do some arm wrestling,
throw a few…
Skip: we got some people down here who that would
just love that.
Russ: hey darling question for you.
Russ: okay I’m going to be telling this to every
speaker coming in tonight but with this new change
in the webpage…….
Russ: and we've now got base headlines.
Russ: yes so activities are going to be updated once
a week as to what’s going on on the base.
Lyka: okay, the ex-commanding officer that shipped
back to Sirius due to her pregnant condition gave
birth a fine baby boy.
Russ: congratulations, this is just what I wanted to
hear, thank you.
Lyka: okay, now I’ve got to depart, I've got to get
back down to the barracks, I’ll see you guys later.
Skip: thank you.
Judy: see you.
John: thanks for coming, bye.
Skip: appreciate it Lyka.
(Tia returns to user in a very important guest
John: looks like the Kiri monster.
John: oh it’s Tia. Excuse me, sorry.
Russ: you can tell because she’s the ring mistress.
John: I apologize.
(Tia snarls something in Durondedunn as a jest.)
Russ: she said fine baby boy right?
Tia: yeah, in fact that’s old news, the baby boy is
about two months old.
Russ: yeah well this is the first time we’ve put the
Tia: okay, I'll see you guys shortly.
Skip: okay darling.
(Ashtar honors us with a
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations everyone.
Ashtar: let us proceed with tonight’s discussion.
Ashtar: it has been brought to my attention that
certain alien organizations claim that we do no
longer work with your planet.
Russ: this is true.
Ashtar: this should be rectified.
Russ: I agree.
Ashtar: I received reports from the base commander
concerning such situations. You have questions in
relation to this?
Russ: yes as a matter of fact, how do we address
this in a way that would make it unquestionable?
Ashtar: with communication with your medic friend,
her idea is quite correct. (Karra) The idea of
putting news in the newsletter is the ideal thing.
We were not planning to do this just yet but our
hand has been forced so we will have to do so.
Include in your news section like one of your
wasteful news mediums listing articles such as
events concerning us, events concerning you and us,
editorials I believe you would call them, such
details on comparisons with information released by
the Zeta Reticuli and other groups and in doing so
put in an editorial that you would put in and your
Russ: okay, thank you. We could also address
questions to the channeler of this information.
Russ: now I’d like to address a question that will
give them pause for thought.
Ashtar: okay, the question being? Oh, you wish me……
Russ: ahh yeah, something that you would suggest
that would make them go, “oh, maybe we haven’t
mistaken this possibly?”
Ashtar: the light work that we continue to do with
individuals in various groups throughout the planet
is evidence enough. Individuals that work outside
the system and try to get information out concerning
such detrimental information. Individuals from areas
such as Sedona, such as from the East Coast,
Australia and other parts of the world. It is
self-evident that we are working, we are still with
your planet. We did not leave as it was stated we
left in a huff, we did not. We had to rethink our
actions due to the fact of certain groups behaving
in a harmful way. We still work with light and
understanding but we also have to take into
consideration that certain organizations wish for us
not to be around due to the fact that we interfere
with their world which is our primary purpose is to
Russ: uh-huh, well on behalf of all of us, we thank
you very much for the work you have done even though
you don’t get thanked enough I don’t feel.
Ashtar: that is part of the job description as you
John: does this put Mark at a risk with this whole
Ashtar: yes and no. Mark is a lot more cautious than
he appears to be, it is in his nature.
John: good, thank you.
Russ: we know you’re busy so….
Skip: can I ask a dumb question?
Ashtar: there is no such thing as a dumb question,
Skip: where did all this come from this people
trying to say that you’re not here or wasn’t working
Ashtar: it is like your news reports released by
other parties, it is designed to drive people away
from us, it is designed to draw people to the more
harmful individuals that masquerade as helpful.
Ashtar: they are the ones that put out the
information with the help of certain agencies.
Russ: thank you.
John: are these agencies jamming the Internet when
Russ and Paulette get on the chat line and try to
make some intelligence out of all this?
Ashtar: we are looking into that.
John: thank you.
Ashtar: thank you I must depart.
Russ: thank you.
Skip: thank you.
John: thank you very much.
focuses on matters involving our planet.)
Russ: Ashtar I take it?
Tia: yeah, it was Ashtar, not Omal.
Russ: no, we knew it wasn't Omal….
Russ: I thought it was either Korton or Ashtar but
he came on too serious for Korton.
John: yeah, yeah.......
Russ: so he’s on the base huh?
John: that was Ashtar.
Tia: okay, whilst we let Mark’s body get back to
Russ: okay, I’m going to pour some tea, anybody else
want some tea?
Skip: I’ve got some, thanks Russ, I appreciate the
Tia: in the meantime, whilst we let his pulse rate
get back to normal…..
Skip: got a question for you darling.
Skip: I just read a media in our third dimension,
they are coming up with the spiritual aspect of
Skip: which they have found works very well.
Tia: yeah it does, it does and we’ve been preaching
that for how long have you been coming, what? Three
Skip: oh yeah at least three, well no more than
that, more than that because......
Skip: I’d say closer to five.
Tia: yeah well we’ve been preaching that for a long
time or Karra has…..
Tia: and all of a sudden it becomes in vogue? It
kind of makes Karra feel good, she’s sitting there
glowing at the moment.
Skip: yeah I’ll bet she is…..
Skip: I’ll bet she is but it works.
Tia: oh it works tremendously.
Skip: Newsweek come out with almost the whole
magazine……I’ve got it in the car, I’ve been reading
it at lunchtime because I always read the
Skip: that spiritual and scientific healing works
Skip: there’s about two or three different articles
in the Newsweek I got in the car.
Russ: I’ll have to go and pick one up, I haven't
picked it up.
Skip: no, you can have the one I’ve got.
Russ: okay great.
Skip: I think it’s an older issue and I just
happened to get a hold of it.
Russ: should we call Carrie now?
Tia: yeah, let’s give her a try.
Russ: hit redial. Yeah, let's hit that.
(We hear the phone dial again and get another busy
Skip: she’s still busy.
Russ: well, we told her we’d call.
Tia: uh-huh, she's probably got it off the hook. I
can go and have a look but I won't be back for a
while if I do that.
Russ: well just take a long break between
Tia: okay, well we could do that but okay.......no,
still a little fast. I’m going to save the next two
guest speakers for a little while.
Tia: okay, let me answer any questions.
Russ: well how many do you want?
Tia: let’s go one from each of you to start off
with. We'll start off with the senior person first.
Tia: okay, you got a question?
Skip: no, you pretty well answered the one I had.
Tia: okay, Judy?
Judy: I don’t know what’s going on so I’m just here.
Tia: I do know how you feel.
John: yes, it looks very much so like President
Clinton and Al Gore are going to be reelected.
John: it’s going to be the first time since Theodore
Tia: that a Democrat….
John: that a Democrat…
Tia: has done more than one term.
John: now I’m taking this as being inevitable and
how does that……I mean I know it differs with your
political beliefs and Mark’s personal political
John: how does it affect the whole scenario?
Tia: it’s Plan B., situation B.
John: we’re strictly on a Plan B situation?
Tia: yeah, as soon as the election is over and it’s
definite, it’s Plan B. Okay, here is a news report,
there was a private fund-raising dinner party where
Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton…..no, Al Gore and
Hillary Clinton attended and it was closed to the
press but somebody brought a tape recorder with
them. This tape recording has gotten out, somebody
managed to get a copy of it and it is Mrs. Clinton
said, “when we are reelected, we will be able to do
what we really want, Al Gore and myself. Whilst
Tipper and Bill go off and do what they want to do,
we can get down and really get things going the way
that we want them.” I’m just paraphrasing, I’m not
saying word for word because I don’t have my report
with me. So, they’re pretty sure they’re going to
get reelected, they’re also going to start doing
what they want to do which is going to be pretty
harmful. There’s going to be a lot of increases in
taxes and unrest……sorry?
Skip: go-ahead, no, no, I'm just.....
Tia: uh-huh. So it goes very well with what has been
said in the past that it's not Bill running the
John: it’s Hillary and Al Gore running the country.
John: let me slide in another question.
John: Russ and I had a conversation today and we
would like a copy of the
(A debunked conspiracy theory that the driver of the
car shot the president.)
John: the assassination of President Kennedy….
John: from a different perspective. We were
wondering where we could obtain a copy, Mark
mentioned the Internet.
Tia: be very, very careful when looking for stuff
John: okay now Russ is interested in this tape…..
John: okay? I’ve seen it.
Tia: so has certain governmental agencies.
John: right, I don’t have any interest in it, Russ
has an interest in it. I mean I’ve seen it, I know
what I saw….
John: I know in my heart what really happened….
John: how Presisident Kennedy was assassinated.
Tia: I don’t have that much information on it, it’s
not the field that I deal with except for looking at
past events and probabilities, mainly economical and
John: because Rush should use some caution…
John: in trying to obtain a copy of this.
Tia: okay now Rush, sitting there patiently, you
have a question.
Russ: it's been mentioned in several places, downed
by friendly fire and it’s being covered up?
Tia: there’s no such thing as friendly fire, ask an
ex-soldier. Skip, is there such a thing as friendly
Skip: nope, no way.
Tia: uh-huh, even if it’s accidental it’s not
Skip: it’s not friendly even if it’s like you say
even if it's accidental.
Tia: uh-huh, even if it’s your own side, it’s not
Skip: somebody’s got an iron in the fire.
Tia: uh-huh and you get hurt regardless of whose
side it is. Okay let us go back to Skip.
Skip: they seem to think there's been a missile went
through that aircraft…..
Tia: I don’t know, I have seen the full reports.
Skip: and it didn't explode.
Tia: it’s possible. If it ruptured the fuel
Skip: then the fuel tank explodes.
Tia: yep, that would….
Skip: that’s exactly what they’re coming down with….
Skip: on the investigation.
Tia: yep, if a missile went through, punched through
the wing and carried on going with the amount of
fuel on board from just taking off like what was it?
Skip: 11,000 pounds.
Tia: uh-huh, that’s a lot of fuel.
Skip: yeah, that’d be minimum, 11,000 pounds.
Tia: uh-huh and it was a long-distance flight, I
think it was full to capacity.
Skip: yeah, well if it was full to capacity that be
pretty close to 20,000 pounds.
Tia: uh-huh, just think of that fuel igniting.
Skip: and that kind of gas goes really good.
Skip: makes its own bomb.
Tia: yep. Okay, Judy, question?
Judy: no thank you darling.
Tia: okay. Okay, I will put on the next person.
Russ: all right.
(Kiri gets us to side two.)
Kiri: okay, okay, okay, okay, now whom am I?
Kiri: thank you.
John: I apologized to your sister, I mean I just
thought you were flying in earlier.
Kiri: oh I’ll let you off on those comments. Okay
right, okay let me get down to business. Notice my
hands never leave the end of my arms.
Russ: Kiri, want to try her again?
Kiri: in a minute, in a minute, let’s get down to
some important matters. Okay the gentleman is still
alive, he's not in remission at the moment, he's
going through treatment Skip.
(A future guide of Skip's who was still alive but
dying from cancer.)
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: we’re keeping a very close eye on the
situation, my grandmother has been in contact with
him when he’s in his deep states.
Kiri: so we're still working on that. Now,
cascading, do you want to cascade or us to attempt
to key in words?
Skip: if you……yeah, why not? Sure.
Kiri: how awake are you?
Skip: well, I’m pretty well bushed out so if you
want to pass tonight I’m…...
Kiri: yeah, I think it would be best because looking
at your aura….
Skip: my mind's not working correctly tonight at
Kiri: well it’s kind of catch 22, it would be the
perfect time but the fact that you have to drive and
because in your lower state……..what we could
probably do is set it up one day that you guys hold
the channeling session down there and then we can
get Skip to cascade.
John: oh okay.
Skip: hey, I appreciate that.
Kiri: yeah, that way you wouldn’t have to drive and…
Skip: that'd be neat.
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: no problem at all, we will work on that, we
will get Mr. Slurping His Tea to act as chauffeur.
John: he’s a good driver.
Kiri: okay, Skip do you have questions at this time?
Skip: yeah I got one and it doesn’t have anything to
do with what we’re talking about.
Skip: I heard an article that the 757’s….
Skip: are having problems with their computers.
Kiri: that is correct.
Skip: they’ve lost I think four ships in the last…..
Kiri: 2 ½ years.
Skip: yeah and all of them have come down to the
point of where the computer has just more or less
Kiri: well the problem with the computers that
they’re using is the fact that they’re not top, top
of the line. These are older aircraft that have
earlier computers, they add more stuff into them and
anybody with any computer experience knows that the
more you add in, the more likely the computer is to
crash. Once the computer crashes, you have no
instrumentation or anything to guide you. You're
aloft, you don’t if you’re banking or whatever
especially if you’re in a cloud bank, you're totally
Skip: well now they just
lost one that was headed for Lima….
Skip: and it crashed and killed all 90 on board.
Skip: I think the day before yesterday or something?
Kiri: yes, actually I think it was like Friday.
Skip: but anyhow, the black box the pilot says,
"none of my instruments is working, I don’t know if
I’m up or down or where I’m at."
Skip: the commentator that was putting this out said
that the older pilots that learn with turn and bank
instruments, magnetic compasses, could find their
Kiri: and the commentator was Paul Harvey correct?
Skip: I’m sorry? Yes it was, yes it was.
Kiri: next question? Skip?
Skip: no I’m okay.
Judy: no thank you darling.
Kiri: do you have a question?
John: okay, is there any validity to the story about
Jack and the beanstalk?
Kiri: yes in an indirect sort of way.
John: okay, thank you very much.
Kiri: it is more of a moral tale.
John: than a literal tale?
Kiri: yeah. It is some truth on the gullibility of
individuals and it probably did happen to an
individual and some fantasy. It’s about 50/50
Skip: in other words don’t mess with the giants or
Kiri: but the question is who is the giant?
Skip: yeah right.
Kiri: uh-huh. Is it a giant intellect, giant in
statue or what? Who knows? It was written a long
time ago or it wasn’t, it was told a long time ago
and written only in the last what? Two hundred
Russ: frequency of the earth please my darling.
Kiri: oh, like I have that information written on
Russ: we worked on this yesterday so you’ve had
plenty of time to prepare so slacking off now will
not be an excuse that can be accepted.
Kiri: what is my primary job Russ?
Kiri: thank you, I have certain projects I am
Russ: this is merely two strokes of the computer.
Kiri: it’s low on my list of priorities.......
(We can hear Skip and John
snicking in the background.)
Kiri: I think it’s about
2,000 MHz but I’m not sure offhand. However, however
as you guys were discussing last night, if you throw
in magnetism into the formula using superconductors
and helium, you can get a very, very good effect on
Russ: we don’t have superconductors, we do have
Kiri: uh-huh, you need pretty powerful magnets too,
preferably magnets that work on probably about 42
John: that would that be electromagnets?
Kiri: correct, your friend will know what a Gauss
Russ: yeah I do too.
Kiri: okay good. It’s a very, very narrow margin as
well, 43 is too much, 41 is too little. You can
break it down into subsections and experiment within
Kiri: but that’s all I can really discuss at this
Russ: okay, what do harmonics have to do with the
Kiri: harmonics are very, very important but it is
something that you guys have to reason yourself. If
I tell you, then I might as well tell you how to
build an anti-grav motor, simple as that. That’s how
important they are.
Kiri: you have to figure that out on your own
however, once you guys figure it out, then we can
Russ: okay, do you want to go around again?
Kiri: well I’m looking in that direction, come on
Skip, come on.
Skip: it ain’t working.
Kiri: close your eyes….
Skip: it ain’t working, the mind won’t work.
Kiri: close your eyes……
Kiri: and think harmonics and whatever comes into
your mind say it.
Skip: well it’d have to be low pitch, real low
Skip: because the higher pitch you get, the less,
the less reaction you get.
Skip: it’d have to be very low pitch, it would have
to be amplified….
Skip: you’d have to build a hell of an amplifier.
Skip: I don’t know, with today’s technology you
could probably build a hell of an amplifier with
just……just about the size of a pack of cigarettes.
Kiri: okay now describe what you’re seeing because I
can see an image.
Skip: it don’t want to come together.
Kiri: okay describe the pieces that you've got.
Skip: well looking at a little box with a great big
speaker but that isn't going to work.....don’t want
to work right......it just ain't coming right.
Kiri: pen and paper.
Skip: sorry about that.
(Kiri draws a picture.)
Skip: low pitch.
Kiri: okay, there’s your box.
John: it’d all have to do with sound and vibration
correct? Vibration, isn’t that…..?
Skip: no, the vibration you don’t need and you need
the sound to create your harmonics. The vibration
you don’t need, that’s why I say the big speaker
won’t work because you’re creating vibration with
John: and it’s not necessary?
Skip: it’s not necessary.
Kiri: okay, there's a cross view, that’s what you’re
Skip: more or less yeah.
Skip: yeah more or less. In other words, the same as
a telescope mirror.
Kiri: that is as far as I can go without getting
into trouble and I’m pushing the envelope there.
Skip: yeah it’d be a mirror of sound rather than
Skip: a concave sound disk……
Skip: to make it simplified.
Skip: yeah but what I was trying to fathom is how to
make it portable and still generate that kind of
harmonics so it would raise itself, not have it
hooked to something else.
Skip: because if you do that, then you could turn
your sound mirror toward the ground and actually
John: right but you'd need......the power source
would have to be contained within what you’re
weighing off the ground.
Skip: that’s correct and not have an outside power
John: so it’d have to be totally independent.
Skip: that’s right.
John: and that’s the key that we're missing.
Kiri: it’s really quite simple but……
Skip: yeah it is if I can just get it put together.
Skip: a battery won’t do it because a battery
doesn’t have enough power. A solar unit would do it
if we could generate enough power with a solar unit
but the solar units that they got now don’t generate
that much power.
Kiri: oh yes they did……..
(Kiri stays on subject.)
Skip: .......but the carbon chips that we're using
today which are very common okay?
Kiri: can you shine a light in here please, like a
John: yeah, I’ve got one right here.
Kiri: now is that coming back brighter? Focus it,
there, that works.
Skip: focus down on the spot.
Kiri: yeah. You see what’s happening? Now change
the shape of this……
Skip: to a concave.
Kiri: correct and what happens?
Skip: you get heat.
Kiri: correct. The more you focus it…..
Skip: okay the more heat you get. You turn heat
Kiri: energy, is simple.
Kiri: no, then it takes too much.
Skip: steam is ancient, steam is......
Kiri: (Speaking to Omal.).....okay, thank you
Skip: is way out.
Kiri: okay we're going to have one last try.
(The phone dials for third time.)
John: there you go.
Russ: whether she’ll actually be there.
Kiri: no she thinks she’s gone to bed.
Kiri: hello, did we wake you?
Carrie: oh *&%$#.
Kiri: oh we woke you. That’s all right, you go
back to bed and we'll talk to you again next week
Carrie: didn’t we have a channeling session set
Kiri: yes we did.
Carrie: oh God.
Kiri: and we tried earlier but you go back to
sleep because you need your sleep okay?
Kiri: that’s all right.
Carrie: no I feel so bad, it totally slipped my
Kiri: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay here’s a
quick joke for you before you go back to bed. Okay
what’s red and white and all……what’s red,
white…..ahh I can’t even think of a joke properly.
Okay tell you what, we'll schedule for next
Kiri: okay? We’ll go for a 7 o’clock start their
time, that’s California time which would be 9
o’clock your time?
Carrie: 9 o’clock my time.
Russ: write it down.
Carrie: okay wait, okay, well I don’t have a
cordless on me so let me…..
Kiri: I’ll tell you what we’ll do….
Carrie: I will write it down.
Kiri: okay but we will get Russ to give you a call
on Sunday night and again on Monday.
Carrie: that would be perfect.
Carrie: that way he reminds me so I totally……I
cannot believe I forgot, I’m so sorry.
Kiri: that’s all right.
Carrie: I had finals last week and I just spaced
Kiri: you got your results?
Carrie: I did good, I got a B, not an A but I got
Kiri: well hey that’s pretty good.
Carrie: yeah it wasn’t as good I wanted but…..
Kiri: true, true.
Carrie: I just totally spaced everything off and I
feel so bad.
Kiri: oh that’s all right, you’ve had a lot on
your mind. Okay….
Carrie: 9 o’clock.
Kiri: yeah and don’t forget you’re meant to be
cutting down on those cigarettes.
Carrie: hey, I’ve done really good.
Kiri: oh I got some news for you, guess who’s
stopped smoking cigarettes?
Kiri: guess who’s stopped smoking cigarettes? Mark
Carrie: did he really?
Kiri: yeah, he’s only had one in like two weeks.
Carrie: wow, that’s excellent.
Kiri: anyway, we’ll let you go back to bed now.
Carrie: okay I’m so sorry.
Kiri: that’s all right, that’s all right, don’t be
Carrie: oh I feel so bad.
Carrie: okay tell Russ, Russ are you there?
Russ: yeah, I’m here darling.
Carrie: can you hear me?
Kiri: he’s there.
Carrie: please don’t forget to call me and remind
me this weekend.
Russ: I will, don’t worry.
Kiri: he says he won’t.
Carrie: promise? So that way…..
Russ: out of the two of us I think I’ll remember.
Kiri: and I’ll harass Mark so that he knows.
Kiri: okay? So you hop back into bed.
Carrie: I love you guys.
Kiri: love you too.
Carrie: thanks for calling.
(We hear the phone hang up.)
Kiri: okay, now that’s taking care of, I will hop
out and put on….
Russ: are you coming back?
Kiri: okay, that’s why it’s a two-parter tonight.
(Tia makes the quickest of transitions between
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hey Tia.
Tia: okay, I have to put on the next person and I
will be back.
(Karra speaks about the
benefits of harmonics.)
Russ: hey Karra.
Skip: good evening Karra.
Karra: greetings Skip, how's it going?
Skip: just fine, how about you darling?
Karra: I’m doing fine.
Karra: uh-huh. And how you doing?
Skip: how’s the little ones?
Karra: the little ones are doing fine.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes all three of the little
Skip: darling they’re all troublemakers when
Karra: yes especially when they reach
six-years-old like Klarra unfortunately.....
Karra: she's turning into a little bit of a madam,
she reminds me of my younger sister at that age, a
real madam. Not in that sense dear.....
Karra: although I think if Kiri lived on a third
dimensional level she would be. Okay, do we have
questions or am I going to just sit here and orate
for a while?
Russ: well I've got a few but I don't want to take
up all of them.
Skip: no go ahead, go ahead Russ, go ahead.
Russ: all right, if you insist. Karra, the healing
that we did with Paulette and Sun Par........
Russ: in a verbal form......
Russ: as to bring the two together and what
actually happened and how did it fix itself up?
Karra: well what was actually happened was that we
took one vibrational frequency and brought it up
and took the other vibrational frequency and
brought it down so that they matched. The problem
that Paulette was having is the fact that Sun Par
was vibrating at a higher frequency then Paulette
was so we had to bring and match them so that they
evened out and work together instead of vibrating
John: now is Paulette going to need another
Karra: from time to time yes but not that often.
John: not that often.
Karra: just words will be of tremendous support.
John: and this has to do with what she calls her
Karra: that is correct.
John: it is the same thing we’re talking about?
Karra: yes, is that you have energy at one level
and energy at another level and you have to bring
them together so they're no longer split. By
bringing them into sync and harmony together, you
create a harmonic frequency that resonates out of
the body between the entity and the physical and
it vibrates together in tune. For example, if Russ
was to hum at one note…
(Russ starts humming.)
Karra: and I was to hum at another note…
(Karra hums at a higher note.)
Karra: see they don’t sound good do they? One is
higher and one is lower. If we were to hum the
same note on the count of three…..two, one…..
(Karra and Russ hum at the same note.)
Karra: see, our notes are pretty close together.
John: yeah it’s more pleasing to the ear.
Karra: that is correct. Now imagine that on a
physical and spiritual level, the fact that you
have one at a high-frequency and one at a
low-frequency, it is bound to cause some problems
because it is not harmonic. So by bringing them
into a harmonic alignment right, what happens? The
instrument is tuned and it is pleasant to hear for
both parties and therefore it works much better.
John: so right now Paulette is harmonically
Karra: correct, with Sun Par.
Russ: so this goes back to what Kiri and I were
talking about concerning harmonics and the
matching of frequencies.
Russ: I see.
Karra: but it’s not only just on a physical and
spiritual level, harmonics play a much bigger and
more important role than people realize. I’m not
fully versed on the engineering side, you’d have
to ask Miss Mischievous that is standing on her
hands at the moment.
Skip: well then, using the spiritual and physical
harmonics, a healer can heal themselves?
Karra: yes and other people. You have to be
sensitive to other harmonic frequencies of
individuals. Everybody has a different harmonic
frequency. Some people are very close together and
other people are quite far apart. Somebody that
irritates you for no reason whatsoever has a
totally different harmonic frequency that is
Skip: okay, now one further step.
Skip: I’m a gifted healer…..
Skip: to begin with.
Skip: does this say that I’m consciously sensitive
to people’s harmonics……
Skip: that’s why I can heal them?
Karra: well you had the ability as most healers do
to fluctuate your harmonic frequency. You can go
from a high frequency to a low frequency. There
are some people that you can’t help due to the
fact that their harmonic frequencies are too far
out of your range either way, they're either too
high or too low. For example that gentleman that
you work with if my report is correct if she stays
upright, there’s a gentleman that you work with
that you find that you get on with but he’s very
irritating and the problem there is that his
frequency is too far away for you to match.
Skip: okay, alright.
Karra: that's why you get on well with most people
is that you have that frequency that you can
adjust and match to match their frequency.
Skip: oh okay and I do that unconsciously?
Karra: it’s a built-in program that makes you feel
comfortable that you’ve had from an early age.
When you’re very young, you're isolated from other
people’s harmonics and their frequencies but as
you get older, you get opened up and if at the
right age you learn how to get on with a lot of
people by adjusting your frequency, then you
continue to do that through the rest of your life.
The more exposure that you have to other people at
an early age, the easier it becomes.
Skip: okay that explains something then because
when I was a small boy I always kind of hung
around with older people.......
Skip: I always did.
Karra: well again older people have a lower
harmonic resonance level than younger people. As
younger people have higher pitched voices…..
Karra: they also have higher pitched frequencies.
Karra: the older you get the lower the note drops.
Karra: some people don’t lose this frequency, they
stay at a high frequency and they burn incredibly
bright and very active, very boisterous, very much
like a child in their boisterousness......
Karra: but yet in an adult form. This is because
their frequencies are very high. In a lower
frequency they can.......an individual can achieve
a much greater range of experiences and ability. A
high frequency tends to burn an individual out.
Skip: okay, that makes sense.
Skip: thank you.
Karra: oh no problem, glad I could help. Next
John: does light, pure light have a harmonic
Karra: everything has a harmonic frequency.
Karra: everything. Let me show you. Handle please?
There we go.
(Karra gets a singing bowl singing.)
John: I always thought that was a mortar and
pestle. Yeah I mean it's very similar to your
conventional.....but I had no idea......it was
Russ: singing bowl.
John: singing bowl till Mark told me about it
which was just recently.
Skip: okay the same thing can be accomplished with
a wet finger on a crystal glass.
John: oh yeah.....
Karra: thank you Kiri.
John: you bet ya.
Karra: needs to be polished.
Skip: hear it?
Karra: seems to be damaged here, oh well.
(Gives the bowl a nice tap.)
Karra: that works just as well.
John: yeah, that has a good ring to it.
Karra: yes but that has a harmonic frequency also.
Skip: this is....I think this is why bells are
Skip: they're not machined, they're cast.
Karra: right, that's because it is easier to
achieve the harmonic frequency necessary.
Skip: and by changing the properties of the metals
change the tone of the bell.
Karra: correct and it is the same with people,
change the individual slightly and you change
Karra: we have just had a revelation have we not
Skip: do what?
Karra: you've just had a revelation did you not?
Skip: more or less.
John: back to my question about light.
Karra: yes, it does have a frequency, it does have
harmonics. It is so high-pitched that bright light
not only hurts the eyes but hurts the ears as
John: that’s a little bit better than what you
gave me before.
Karra: uh-huh okay.
Skip: and the darker the light, the deeper the
Skip: it’s the same with colors.
Karra: correct, colors have frequencies.
Skip: the darker the color the deeper the mood.
Karra: uh-huh. For example, this is black is it
John: that is black.
Karra: you cannot get much darker than that. What
does black suggest?
(Skip laughs at the humor of it.)
John: for me it represents sincerity,
Russ: absence of light.
Karra: see, all different definitions but all of
them…..all those comments suggest that something a
little bit is darker, not dark as in negative but
as in void of light as Russ put it.
Skip: very few people have seen ultimate darkness.
Skip: I have.
Russ: you mean pitch black?
Skip: pitch black where you cannot see….
Russ: yeah I’ve seen it.
Skip: you have? Okay, there are very few people
that have Russ.
Skip: in the mines, when you turn off your
headlamp, it’s ultimate darkness.
Karra: okay, any more questions for me?
Russ: uh-huh, in the question of.......we're
working right now with elixir’s…
Russ: and harmonic elixirs.
Russ: the color of the stone that we use in the
elixir matches a frequency.
Russ: if we match a sound to that color with
Russ: what happens to the elixir?
Karra: I would take away from the learning lesson,
Karra: okay? Any more questions, because we have…
Russ: two tapes.
Karra: okay, but we need to be wrapping up this
Skip: thank you.
Karra: no problem Skip.
John: thank you very much.
(Tia picks up the singing bowl
to complete Karra's presentation.)
Tia: Skip, come here, come close.
Tia: okay, hold the bowl like it’s being held
there and you feel the harmonics. Can you feel it
vibrating down through your fingers?
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Tia: and as it gets louder, it works its way down.
There you go....
(Tia makes the bowl ring.)
Tia: feel it getting further and further down your
Tia: now, you probably adjusted your frequency to
match that. Feel a little bit funny don’t you?
Skip: yeah a little.
Tia: uh-huh, you see your body is adjusting to its
frequency and the change in frequency kind of
goofed you up but that’s what your body does you
see? Karra asked me to finish up for her because
she couldn’t do it properly.
Russ: no problem.
Tia: okay, anymore questions for me? You got lots
of questions, we'll get to them in the second half
Russ: I’m in no hurry.
Skip: okay darling, we're going to have to head
down the hill….
Skip: and you go ahead and do your thing.
Russ: got it.
(The tape starts up again after being stopped.)
Tia: she was really, really pushing it, in fact
she got a few looks from Omal and it was sort of
John: well yeah you could see that when he gave
her those looks, I mean you could see her react
through Mark’s body......
John: and she knew she was pushing it.
Tia: uh-huh, it was just as well Omal was there,
otherwise I think she would’ve stepped over that
line by quite a bit.
John: and what would happen? Would there be a
punishment for that or a reprimand?
Tia: she would get a reprimand which would go on
her permanent record and if it happened again she
would go home.
Russ: to Sirius.
Russ: back to Sirius.
John: oh really?
Tia: and never be allowed back to Ashtar Command.
John: so she would be basically deported over this
Tia: yes basically, deported and never allowed
Russ: they have to have some kind of restrictions.
John: oh yeah that’s understandable.
Russ: otherwise we’d have little spaceships
landing in our backyard here giving us all kinds
of technologies we could use to make ourselves
lots of money or she could give us the lotteries
numbers next week.
Tia: pity about Carrie. Okay, let’s get down to
Russ: politics darling?
Tia: yes okay……
Russ: all right.
Tia: uh-huh. This is where it’s going to get
boring I’m sorry but it’s got to get boring.
Russ: yeah afraid so. Okay, Kemp and Gore.
Tia: I haven’t seen the full report on that yet as
I had to prep up and get ready.
John: oh yeah but they just finished tonight, they
just finished it up.
Russ: okay, now we’re talking about Kemp’s version
of the future compared to Gore’s version of the
Russ: okay as you say Gore runs the country, in
that case the vice presidential debate had more
emphasis tonight to look for then the Clinton
debate with Dole.
Russ: okay, so in that respect, let’s go ahead and
take it from the first part.
Tia: okay let me pertain something in advance…
Tia: right? You have to remember that it’s not
just Gore, it’s Hillary Rodham Clinton and Gore.
Russ: she wasn’t there so we have to just rough
Tia: so....so when Bill says something right? He’s
been prepared in advance by Hillary as a rule.
Makes logical sense correct?
John: it’s a technique used in politics.
Tia: yeah, yeah, oh I quite agree but I’m taking
this election now and how it’s going to outcome
later on, not what’s happened in the past, that
plays a part, that plays a very important part.
For example, Bush to start off with had been
Tia: by Reagan, he was Reagan’s man. But….
John: right and who was Reagan preprogrammed by?
Tia: he wasn’t programmed by anybody actually.
John: Reagan wasn’t programmed at all?
Tia: no, no, you have to remember that Reagan……
John: wasn’t it an actor being programmed?
Tia: because he was an actor, that makes him very
hard to be programed. He can learn the lines it
makes him wonderful at learning lines but if you
watch some of his movies right? And the outtakes,
he’s a very, very accomplished comedian. Comedians
cannot be programmed very well. Another person
that was programmed and sadly it backfired on him
was Nixon, Nixon was programmed and he had been
programed for years and years and years. When he
left the military, that’s when his programming
started. Another individual that was programmed
was Kennedy, Kennedy was programmed, very much so.
John: very much so.
Tia: by his running mate, Lyndon B. Johnson.
Lyndon B. Johnson was not programmed, he was one
of those people that was supremely good at
manipulating other people. In fact it’s almost the
same situation that is happening now, happened in
1960 with Kennedy and Johnson and Gore and
John: okay, good analogy……
John: I can respect that.
Tia: yeah, my political opinions bear no relevance
in my political analysis. I admit that I'm a
little bit more conservative, I’m not as
conservative as Mark but I am more conservative
than what is common in your political system. I
would not vote for Dole, I would definitely would
not vote for Kemp, I wouldn't have voted for
Buchanan, in fact I don't think I would’ve voted
for anybody that ran.
Russ: what about Powell?
Tia: would not have voted for him, military
leaders as a rule do not make good political
leaders, there are exceptions to the rules.
Russ: what about if John F. Kennedy was running
Russ: John F. Kennedy?
Tia: oh JFK?
Tia: would not vote for him.
John: what about Eisenhower?
Russ: what past presidents would you vote for,
Tia: yes, Lincoln is one. Ford, nope wouldn’t have
voted for him.
Tia: definitely not, there was somebody that was
not programmed and was not very good at his job
either. You know, I don’t think there is anybody
this…..there is one person I would’ve voted for….
Tia: Calvin Coolidge.
Russ: Coolidge huh?
Tia: uh-huh because he was honest, he tried hard,
he worked hard, he stuck to his principles and
unfortunately he paid the price. He only did what?
Russ: uh-huh. What about Teddy Roosevelt?
Tia: no, he was very manipulated.
Russ: FDR, he was controlled, for the situation he
Tia: oh, I’m sorry, mistaken, mistaken. FDR is the
one that was manipulated, Teddy was not, Teddy was
Tia: he was.......
John: too independent, too strong?
Tia: yes, he did some great things but he was also
John: it looked like he was doing a good thing….
John: and that was his intention.
John: the long-term effects were detrimental.
Tia: yeah but he tried to do what he thought was
right and he stood on his principles. I would have
voted for him yes, just, just. It would’ve been a
real tossup between him and probably Coolidge if
they were running at the same time. Woodrow
Wilson? I would lean more not toward voting for
him but if I had a choice of let’s say Woodrow
Wilson, FDR and Kennedy, then Wilson would just
about win for the fact that he tried to reason
logically instead of emotionally.
Tia: but his reasoning and logic was flawed.
John: now this is hindsight looking back.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay now looking at the current
situation, I wouldn't vote for any of them, I
honestly would not vote for any of them. However,
let us stick within your questions Russ.
Tia: okay, what is your next question?
Russ: tax cuts across the board. Republicans
propose tax cuts across the board….
Russ: the Democrats propose tax cuts for the
Russ: and basically for the most poor of our
Russ: to help them get on their feet. Now the tax
cuts across the board are based on a $550 billion
tax cut proposed by the Republicans…
Russ: this because of the fact that they are
predicting a five trillion dollar gross output due
to that tax cut.
Russ: which they say they then would be a 1% tax
cut but they want make the tax cut before they get
the money back in.
Russ: so it’s only proposed five trillion output,
it’s just a gamble........
Russ: it’s just a shot across the board.
Tia: okay, now if they tax cut…..what is your
analogy on what’s going to happen?
Russ: there will be growth….
Russ: but there will also be very much pain among
the poor and the old.
Russ: Medicare, Medicaid are going to suffer.
Tia: they’re going to cut those?
Russ: they’re going to go ahead and keep them from
Tia: no, not quite true, not quite true. What
they're going to do is they’re cut the level of
Tia: at the moment it is growing on average 10%
larger than is normal compared to the growth in
expenditure. Let’s say each year expenditure grows
Tia: and Medicare, welfare and so on are growing
by 15% right?
Tia: which means that one is meant to just cover
the other correct?
Tia: so you're actually having a waste of 10%
increase that could be used elsewhere. So by
cutting the amount of increase right? Let’s say
cut it to 7% which would cover just about any
extra necessities right?
Tia: it’s actually 2% more than the actual normal
growth level is right?
Tia: you’re saving yourself 8% which can be used
for other things. Okay, now there is a recent
study that I came across right? Of 36 cities in
your country right?
Tia: guess which one ranked number one in growth
and economic prosperity?
Russ: New York?
Russ: I give up.
Tia: Las Vegas.
Tia: no although that did help in a way.
Russ: as far as I know, it helped a whole lot
especially in Vegas’ part.
Russ: their mega-resorts brought in more tourists
than ever before….
Russ: therefore it has to increase in growth to
put up with the building of houses for those
coming in to work for those increased amount of
Tia: uh-huh, you came close but your reasoning is
flawed. Okay yes they did play a part in it right?
Tia: now what one thing attracts businesses to
Russ: no taxes.
Tia: correct or very low taxes on things that are
taxed which in turn does what?
Russ: prosperity and growth?
Tia: correct. Now Nevada has a very well-developed
health care system.
Tia: the only problem for the health-care system
is the fact that Nevada has the highest smoking
ratio in the country. Also has one of the highest
beverage consumption levels in the country.
Tia: which pushes up the medical costs. Take those
away right? And Nevada would be very, very
prosperous. So, by cutting taxes, what have you
done in a state?
John: stimulated growth.
Russ: one problem though.
Russ: that is the fact that the state is not a
microcosm of the government.
Tia: what makes you say that?
Russ: okay for example, let's look at where the
money goes in the government.
Russ: black budgets......
Russ: foreign policy, foreign lending.....
Russ: without getting it paid back...
Russ: domestic aid without getting it paid
Russ: bureaucracies that the state couldn't even
Russ: all of this
Russ: okay? Now
with the Kemp and Dole plan.....
Russ: or the
Republican plan of cutting $550 billion in
Russ: they're expecting to stimulate growth as is
happened in Nevada.
Russ: they're not taking into account the
fact that all these expenditures the
government puts out are going to basically
wipe out any gains they would have
THE TAPE ENDS