(Karra has ring mistress duties
and get the session started.)
Karra: I didn’t even have to open my mouth did I?
Russ: you never do.
Karra: no. Okay.....
Russ: well you opened your mind.
(Russ starts to chuckle.)
Russ: hello love.
Karra: hey, how’s it going hon?
Russ: good my dear, how’s yourself?
Karra: I’m doing fine.
Russ: excellent, excellent, good to see you again.
Karra: it’s good to see you as well, I do apologize
for dropping out of your mind so much today.
Russ: oh don’t worry about it darling, it’s been one
of those days.
Karra: yes it has.
Russ: how has your day been?
Russ: oh, what you got going?
Karra: oh we’re working on the hurried plans of the
upcoming ski races at the end of the month.
Karra: I believe it’s the last weekend will be the
finals. We have.....we’ve been real busy, I've been
in constant communication with representatives of
both Centauri base and Sirius base.
Russ: well perhaps you could help out with the news
for this month’s newsletter.
Karra: well okay, I will do what I can. Okay.......
(At this time there is a fixture making noise for
about six minutes before it stops and does not start
Karra: the races are being transferred from Centauri
base to Sirius base. The number of participants is
being cut slightly, each team is only allowed to
field a team of four as opposed to five. This is to
speed up and facilitate a better format because of
such short notice.
Karra: the amount of people that are allowed to stay
in the area, meaning within walking distance, that's
up to a mile away....
Karra: has also been cut by half.
Karra: uh-huh. This is due to the fact that it is
felt that if we have lots of people it would make it
difficult for competitors to get to their races on
time and the fact that we have a format of the races
have to start at a particular time and they have to
finish at a particular time. There are windows for
delays, there are windows for redeployment of
equipment for damages and stuff. After all, the
races can be pretty harsh on those gates sometimes.
Karra: the only teams that are not being shortened
because of its very nature are biathlon and the
Karra: they will remain as five people per team, the
course has been shortened but only by I think by
about a 100 units. So instead of being a 5,000 unit,
it’s a 4,900 unit race. That will probably shave off
maybe two minutes off of each race but unfortunately
Karra: okay on the base, we have a whole load of new
personnel, it’s rotation time again. I won’t go into
details as there’s quite a few changes. The core
staff of course are permanent residents for a
certain length of time.
Karra: in our case it's anywhere up to a 150 years.
Russ: how about medical emergencies at the course,
are they all planned for and....?
Karra: yes they are planned for, we have a full
medical staff and a full medical facility.
Fortunately, where we're hosting it is about 13
minutes running distance from the top medical
facility in that particular province.
Karra: in fact they have a top-notch rejuvenation
facility. In fact it was originally the model for
many of the rejuvenation facilities and they
certainly continue to do research and development
and the facility itself is still the best.
Russ: excellent, that will be good for the racers to
Karra: oh yeah and we haven’t had any serious
mishaps in the past apart from a very badly damaged
leg on one occasion.
Karra: but that wasn’t cause for rejuvenation, we've
never had that problem. They also have a pretty
good, I wouldn't say the best but a pretty good
Karra: and they also have one of the few all-weather
Russ: oh excellent.
Karra: well being up in the mountains they have to.
Karra: which means any harsh conditions they can get
out and transport and do medical transport which is
also very important.
Russ: odds are though most treatment will be taking
place at the race event site.
Karra: oh yeah, yeah, they will be setting up a mini
hospital and triage.
Karra: the locals are trying to copy without much
success, it's not that cold a climate, the Ice
Palace. You member the Ice Palace?
(The Ice Palace is a structure built out of blocks
of ice near the capital of Sirius.)
Russ: oh yes absolutely.
(Finally the fixture making
noise no longer disrupts the recording.)
Karra: they've done one on a
much smaller scale and it won’t be open for living
in because of course the climate is a little warmer.
Russ: ceilings drip.
Karra: yes they do. But it’s more of a walk-around
restaurant setup with the look of the Ice Palace.
Russ: oh excellent.
Karra: the Ice Palace this year has been bigger and
better than ever thanks to a very cold, cold snap.
The lake that it sits in front of froze to a depth
of about four units.
Karra: so they were able to cut a lot of blocks and
build the Ice Palace very quickly. It looks pretty
good this year actually, I’ve only seen holos and
hopefully it will still be able to be visited and
still be safe.
Russ: will you be visiting Sirius during the races?
Karra: of course, I’ve got to.
Russ: then you’ll be going and seeing the Ice Palace
Karra: of course.
Russ: of course.
Karra: if it’s still open.
Karra: that area as I said has had a colder then
normal winter. Also whilst we’re visiting, Kiri will
be competing and she is going off to check out her
(This is a plot of land in the
mountains where there are some pink flowers
growing which have an aphrodisiac quality.)
Russ: ahh yes.
Karra: which all reports are it’s still under a lot
Russ: ahh that’s good.
Karra: that’s very good.
Karra: it means that there will be a poor harvest
but being a poor harvests means…..
Russ: it’s good for Kiri.
Karra: it's going to be a intense flavor.
Russ: I believe that brought that up in the last
newsletter I think.
Karra: uh-huh, I think so.
Russ: so that will be a good tie-in to that.
Karra: okay, back to the base, there have been no
new births, there’s been no serious complications,
there’s only been the rotations, there hasn’t been
any personnel lost due to active service of the….
Karra: yes the patrols. One of my former patients
has skipped her period but mums the word on that at
Russ: of course.
Karra: mainly because I’m not allowed to say who it
Russ: of course.
Karra: okay, where do we go from here?
Russ: well I want to do some discussion if I could
on sixth dimension compared to third dimension and
the use of the various chakras between the two
Russ: now I figured you’d be the person to talk to
Russ: being as you’ve got a very good knowledge on
the chakra system.
Karra: yes and of course I was already aware you
were going to ask those questions so I am ready.
Russ: well I suppose that’s cheating but okay, we’re
working this evening on third dimensional use of
chakras to a certain point and that would be to the
Russ: mainly sticking around the base chakra and the
Russ: that being of course due to survival, fear
being a main factor in maintaining those to that
Karra: okay, first of all let’s look at the root
Karra: and compare the third and the sixth
dimensions. First of all, the third dimension has a
spinning cycle that is a lot less and a lot slower
than the sixth dimensional for the obvious reasons.
The spirituality awareness involved, it reflects in
the speed of the chakra. How the chakras open and
close, again also differences occur between the
third and the sixth. They tend to open up much, much
wider almost to the point of just being a thin,
circular ribbon on the sixth whereas on the third
they don’t open up anywhere near as close except for
people of extreme spiritual awareness. People like
popes, llamas, Buddhas, priests of extreme knowledge
but again they don’t get as wide as they do on
normal persons on the sixth dimension. On the sixth
dimension holy people, extreme holy people, their
chakras will almost fade into an almost invisible
band that is totally unperceptible because they are
so open and spiritually aware. We’ve had, we being
by my younger sibling and myself, have had
experience with people that have chakras that turn
into a very thin, thin ribbon due to the fact that
our grandmother is like that.
Karra: this normally happens in great states of for
want of a better word grace. When our grandmother is
in between world’s doing what she does best, her
chakra is almost totally invisible. It is my
considered belief and my sister's consider belief
that this is due to the fact that she is in limbo
between worlds. Okay getting back to other
differences in chakras in general but primarily the
lower chakras, the rotation is also in a different
direction. For example, most people on your planet,
their chakras spin left to right. On Sirius, most
people and I say most, spin from right to left.
Karra: this is not any serious difference, it is
more of a genetical and physical difference but
nothing that is of importance but it is worth noting
as it does affect the equilibrium as it were.
Karra: now with the more spiritually unenlightened,
the chakras rotate very, very slowly and hardly open
at all, some don’t even open at all. The spiritual
natures of the chakras and the rotation is also
reflected in the instinctual capacity. The more
instinctual a person is, the slower the rotation and
the opening and the closing is. For example, again
let’s go back to my beloved grandmother, her chakras
rotate at a very, very high speed and open and close
very rapidly and very wide. They can go from a state
of rest when she is dormant where they are rotating
fairly rapidly which is normal for her to where they
are rotating way beyond.......trying to think of a
phrase.....circular saw rates. Way beyond.......let
us estimate or guesstimate......at about 1,500 to
2,000 cycles per second, that’s very, very high. A
normal cycle on the third dimension, let us say a
spiritually enlightened person on the third
dimension, rotates at about 150 to 200, big
Karra: a less spiritually aware or a spiritually
underprivileged person……you’ll have to excuse me I’m
being politically correct….
Russ: that’s all right, no problem.
Karra: less spiritually enlightened person, their’s
rotates at maybe 15 to 20 cycles a second, very,
very slow. An average person, their’s will rotates
at about between 80 to a 100. So you see that there
are major differences from somebody that is less
instinctual, less anxiety ridden to somebody that is
more instinctual and more anxiety ridden. You have
Russ: okay first off, you mentioned spiritual quite
heavily throughout this dissertation…..
Russ: and the correlation it has with the speed the
Russ: now for someone who is let’s say reading the
page and comes upon this, the question would come
about with the terminology of spiritual and the use
of the term in everyday life. For example whether
spiritual on sixth dimension equals spirituality on
Karra: yes to a certain extent it does. Spirituality
is not believing in a God, gods, goddesses, it’s
living a life that is in tune, in tune with nature,
feeling the spiritual vibes around them. It’s not
going and praying every day, it is not being pious
or following a particular religion, it is being in
tune with nature where a lot of the spirit elements
come from, the spiritual awareness.
Karra: to be a spiritual person you don’t have to be
cloistered away in a monastery or sequestered in a
religious facility or walk a religious path, it is
being in tune with everyday surroundings,
appreciating the beauty of freshly fallen snow,
appreciating the sunrise, the sunset, appreciating
the existence of life itself. Feeling the air,
realizing that the cold, harsh air is as much a part
of life as the warm, humid air.
Russ: so the term stop and smell the roses comes
into effect at this point?
Karra: yes, very much so. A spiritual person will
take the time to talk to a child eye to eye.
Karra: yeah get down to the child’s eye. A spiritual
person will also be very, very harsh.
Karra: more along the lines of using a kick in the
pants when all else fails.
Russ: uh-huh, understandable.
Russ: okay, you also bring up the term instinctual.
Now this of course would relate to our ancestors who
were very instinctual in the matter of survival
Russ: now many of those same traits have genetically
passed through to those on the third dimension but
in most people they’ve been lessened to a great
degree and others they're still quite heavily
Karra: no they're still there.
Karra: they're still there, they’re just changed the
Russ: I see.
Karra: an instinctual reaction is a reaction that is
necessary for survival.
Karra: it is instinctual to breathe but that’s not
what I’m getting at. The instinctual reaction is for
example to get defensive when threatened.
Karra: to become aggressive when somebody else is
being aggressive, whether it is in mannerisms or in
wording. To use various defense mechanisms when
threatened. People that are very instinctual know
exactly if this situation happens and they use a
opposite reaction, they’re going to achieve much
more effect when they answer fire with fire.
Russ: right. Okay now the next part is using control
of the speed of your chakras, is it a ability that
we're able to develop to speed up our chakras to a
higher level through focusing maybe?
Karra: yes but okay, let us do a dissertation on
Karra: in comparison with third and sixth.
Karra: okay the third dimensional chakra rotation of
the more spiritually enlightened as I said is
between 1,500 to 2,000.
Karra: okay.....no sorry, 150 to 200.
Russ: ahh okay.
Karra: yeah I because about to say, I'm still
thinking on the sixth.
Russ: all right.
Karra: okay let’s start off with the sixth.
Russ: all right.
Karra: 1,500 to 2,000 cycles a second.
Karra: okay, the reason that the revolutions are so
high is that the more spiritually aware on the sixth
dimension are closer to being able to shift between
spiritual realms, the physical and the spiritual,
between the dimensions that they inhabit and lower
dimensions. Some are fortunate in being able to do
that with the higher dimension, being able to astral
travel to the seventh and the eighth dimensions and
being able to rotate at a speed that is even though
not that advanced compared to the seventh and the
eighth, it is enough for them to maintain the focus.
Looking at it, the higher the revolutionary cycle,
the more spiritually evolved an individual is. I
estimate again my grandmother’s cycle to be
somewhere around about 1,600 to 1,700 which is very,
very fast. It appears that the thinner the ribbon of
the chakra once they're fully open and enlarged,
also reflects to the spiritual awareness and the
closeness to being able to achieve the change to the
seventh. It also ties in with a higher cycle. Having
a high cycle of approximately 1,600 to 1,700 cycles
a second and a fairly thin chakra ribbon when
they’re fully open, almost to the point of being
imperceptibly visible, it doesn’t necessarily
dictate that an individual is ready to achieve
ascension to a higher level. Sometimes it is just
the very nature of the spiritual person. What I’m
saying is that my grandmother probably unlikely is
ready to go to the seventh dimension.
Karra: however on the lower dimension, on the third
dimension, having a cycle that is between 150 to
2,000 does open that possibility of ascension to the
sixth dimension. Again, with the increase in the
opening of the chakra, would also imply that it is
more spiritually available to ascension as is the
opposite or not the opposite but the difference
between the sixth dimension and the third, it
doesn’t automatically dictate. On the third, it
means that the potential is much higher than on the
sixth. This is because the third being much more
dense and much harder or harsher universe or
dimension, makes it much more difficult to achieve
the revolutionary cycles and the opening and closing
of the chakras at such a wide difference. But also
in the nature of the chakras, the similarity being
that they're used very much for the same purpose.
The purpose of freeing up the instinctual ability
and the spiritual awareness for advancement. In
being able to achieve the circular increase, it is
also able to achieve a more rapid spiritual
Karra: but one of the difficulties involving
emotional status is that sometimes as the
revolutionary speed increases and the opening of the
chakra becomes wider, it also sometimes can make an
individual very emotionally erratic.
Karra: not so much in the ability going from one
extreme to the other or from a high to a low, it
means that it is hard to plot a emotional stability
that the roller coaster ride whilst the peaks maybe
very, very long and the troughs very, very long to
get there, there is a definite disadvantage to being
Karra: however, there are individuals that do
advance and their cycles increase and the rotational
speed up to 200 cycles a second and they do open
wide that are very, very emotionally stable, almost
emotionally devoid although they do have emotions
but they are hidden and controlled. One individual
that springs to mind is the Dalai Lama, our most
favorite individual that springs to mind as a matter
of fact. Okay?
Russ: okay well you answered two questions there,
one you mentioned it was going on third dimension
from 150 to 2,000, I assume you meant 200.
Russ: okay. And the other is, I had assumed that the
denseness as you mentioned of third dimension would
be the difficulty in speeding up the chakra…...
Russ: but the chakras as far as I know have no mass.
Russ: so how is it that they're affected by the
denseness of a dimension?
Karra: because they are physical……
Russ: they are?
Karra: not just spiritual.
Karra: or even spiritual is physical but it is a
different kind of physical. Something doesn’t have
to be seen to be physical.
Russ: so they are controlled by what?
Karra: by the body.
Karra: you see? That is the answer to your next
question, how does the physical body affect the
Karra: because of the movement of the body through
the denseness of the third dimension affects the
rotation and speed of the chakras that are physical
but not visible.
Russ: hmm. So…..
Karra: you get it don’t you?
Russ: yeah, I've seen that the spiritual part of
nature as you say as we go through and we experience
it, it speeds up our chakras.
Russ: but sitting around watching TV and being
devoid of that spirituality….
Russ: maintains the chakras at a lower level.
Russ: okay. Now what about in churches where many
people have gathered and in a religious, in their
sense gathering, are they automatically raising each
Karra: no, no, it doesn’t quite work that way. When
third dimensional beings gather in a church, most
are feeling that they’ve got to fulfill an
obligation. Negative emotion, fulfilling a
obligation. They really don’t want to be there but
they have to be as they are involved in a religious
Karra: and that they feel that they have to go and
pray to their God in their religious facility so it
is an obligation.
Russ: well before we get in too much trouble here,
well there was one in Oregon that was something that
was more of a thing where people wanted to be at…..
Russ: than just were kind of forced to be at or were
obligated to be at.
(This was a church I was a member of for a year
where I lived in Oregon.)
Karra: yes, if it is more wanting to and everybody
wants to, yes the increase does happen.
Russ: ahh excellent.
Karra: having talked to Mark today as I’m sure
Karra: one of the things that I did ask him about
was the Druid religion that he’s involved in.
Russ: oh yes.
Karra: and that their churches are all outside.
Russ: oh yes right, absolutely.
Karra: and most Druids from the opportunities that
I’ve had to analyze and watch, are more spiritually
in tune and their chakras do rotate at a much higher
frequency than most people because they don’t feel
obligated and they’re surrounded by their church
whenever they go outside.
Karra: so that they're always at church so as a
rule, the Druids tend to be more spiritually
enlightened than people that are in an organized one
day a week religion paying homage to a deity that
they feel obligated to.
Russ: I see. Okay…..
Karra: I’m deliberately choosing my words very
carefully because I am walking a tightrope.
Russ: good call. Now, the benefits of an open and
more rapidly spinning chakra…..
Russ: health, well-being, so on.
Karra: yes, yes there are health and well-being most
certainly but also health is not just a chakra
thing. A chakra will continue to spin at a higher
rate in a more spiritually aware person even if they
are in poor health. Even though there chakra will
slow down, in comparison to normal, everyday third
dimensional people, it will continue to rotate at a
Russ: hmmm, I’m sure we could spend hours on just
Karra: oh most certainly, most certainly and the
effects that they have.
Russ: we still haven’t gotten anything higher than
the solar plexus.
Karra: no, no. I will add that the standard
rotational speed of chakras vary from chakra to
Karra: 1,500 to 2,000 are the lower chakras......
Karra: that’s an average between the two. If we go
up higher to the heart, the brow, and the crown…..or
the throat chakra sorry……you will see a wild
Karra: the crown chakra on my grandmother rotates at
about 16 to 19,000 per second.
Karra: the top end of the more spiritually aware
individuals that are closer to their jump are about
25 to 30,000 cycles a second.
Russ: hmm, and when you get to the higher dimensions
for example Omal, his chakras would spin at probably
what? 30, 35,000?
Karra: probably, I’m guesstimating at that point. I
mean Omal’s not available tonight as it’s debate
time for him.
Russ: ahh unfortunate.
Karra: unfortunate that’s why I’m being very free
and relaxed with talking.
Russ: excellent, excellent.
Karra: okay I suppose we better continue and answer
more questions or do you wish to talk to somebody
Russ: well how many people are on here tonight?
Karra: we have Treebeard, Leonedies, Kiri, Lyka.
Russ: oh we got quite a croud. All right I would
like to continue this next week though and go on to
the higher chakras….
Russ: because that’s where my next questions go to
is going up to the heart and so on from that point.
Karra: okay, that would be very wise and a good
Russ: excellent, thank you very much Karra.
Karra: okay? You’re welcome.
Russ: love you.
Karra: love you too.
(Leonedies begins to speak
for quite a bit longer than normal.)
Leonedies: greetings Russell. Okay, you have some
questions for me.
Russ: yes I do is a matter of fact and it’s all
Leonedies: yes I know.
Russ: of course you do but for your tape's
Leonedies: of course, we will elaborate and
facilitate in the most barbaric and primitive
communication of vocal cords.
Russ: I agree, I wish the whole, entire webpage
class could be here. All right.......
Leonedies: they can.
Russ: that’s true they can with the technology
available to us.
Leonedies: that is correct.
Russ: that’s right, we’re working on it and the
little ways down the road I’m afraid.
Russ: all right, concerning the steps necessary
towards getting to the sixth dimension, you were
discussing with Mark those various techniques......
Leonedies: oh that, yes.
Russ: or attributes.......
Russ: I believe would be the proper terminology for
that. First off I believe you were discussing with
Russ: and the control of emotions in being an
attribute toward a sixth dimensional consciousness.
Perhaps you could elaborate a little bit on that for
Leonedies: okay emotional control, first of all I
will make a few comments concerning emotional
control. Emotional control on higher spiritual
levels is not always total. There is an example that
I can think of where my bodily functions at younger
age caused me to make a mess in my underwear and I
lost my patience with that, that is an emotional
response. Even though I’m a eighth dimensional being
inhabiting a sixth dimensional body, I am not devoid
of emotions. In fact I have two sets of emotions, I
have a sixth dimensional response and an eighth
dimensional response, controlling those emotions and
using them in a beneficial way is the key. For
example, let us take a emotional reaction from an
esteemed colleague of mine Ashtar and the sound of
annoyance in his voice. That emotional response is
used as a tool, a tool to make you realize that,
“oh, we’ve done something wrong.” On a higher level
speaking as an eighth dimensional being, emotions
don’t play a stronger role unless we're acting as
teachers to lower dimensions. When we act as
teachers we have to use those emotions to help bring
up their level to a higher spiritual level. When
Ashtar acts in a way that is seemingly to the point
blunt, almost hostile, it is to get your attention
and to make you think. Even though he does not have
the actual, emotional behavioral pattern, he is
using the emotion as a tool not for his benefit but
for your benefit. By pausing and looking within
ourselves, what would take you 20, 30, 40 minutes to
analyze takes us a mere microsecond that I can dwell
and think upon an emotional response to a situation
if you’re sitting there acting as if you’re bored, I
can suddenly without warning change my tone, my look
and you must pay attention. And in doing so, my body
language changes and I become much more aggressive
or much more placid depending on the situation. I
can go from in a mere heartbeat to a very mellow or
very to the point or to explain better by using
those different emotions, those different tones,
different reactions gets your attention depending on
Leonedies: also, using other tools available to me I
can generate certain vibrational frequencies or
emotions within your air to either open you or close
you to make you feel that I am probing, attacking,
giving off energy directed at your shields
when in actual fact I’m not.
Leonedies: but the examples that I’ve just given you
with the emotional responses are a demonstration.
When you think I have probed your shields, I have
not half the time but by generating the energy as if
I were puts you in a lesson where you are more
easier to learn. So emotional control is not only
suppressing them but learning how to use them. As my
father told me this morning, you guys were
discussing emotional responses of traumatic
Leonedies: my father made the comment that it is not
so much the nature of the passing but the event and
the situation that makes it occur. For example, my,
he would be uncle? Yes my uncle on a sixth
dimensional existence passed in a way that because
of the life of Sirians, the way that they live such
a beautiful life, was totally horrific. Even though
my auntie had seen far worse passings, those were
just as traumatic but they didn’t stay with her due
to the fact that her emotional status was very
unbalanced because of her gender. She was aware that
she had conceived the night before and it was more
anger and traumatic……..I think I’ve just made a
Russ: oh yeah, I’d say.
Leonedies: what do you mean by that?
Russ: I'm not even sure where we're going with that.
Leonedies: it was Alana.
Russ: yeah I know that part but.......
Russ: what about your uncle, which uncle was that?
Leonedies: that was Karra’s soulmate.
Leonedies: I never knew him.
Leonedies: but because I’m of that family, the
family Tanaka or my current genes
are.......personally I prefer something like Levi’s
as opposed to Wranglers......I still don’t
understand your humor.
Russ: no, you’re getting there.
Leonedies: never. Karra was aware that she had
conceived, that’s what they wanted. From what I’ve
learned, not by probing, she was still in a very
heightened stage of spiritual, sexual awareness and
it was very traumatic that suddenly boom, the person
that she wanted to father her child and fathering is
not just the action, the mating, it is much more
than that as you will find out. It is a continuation
that goes on for many, many years.
Russ: hmm okay.
Leonedies: but her emotional status is a prime
example, prime example of a sixth dimensional,
spiritual state. She was so emotionally heightened
that her spiritual state was so…..I’m glad that
she’s decided to open up for me to explain it
easier…..she was in such a heightened, spiritual,
sexual state which is a very emotional state that
the shock of seeing her loved one blown away and the
mind reaching out trying to grasp the departing
spiritual form and not being able to contact or
connect properly as would normally be done on a
physical, leaves a very deep, emotional scar, very
Leonedies: another example I’m……
Russ: good point though, thank you, that clears up a
Leonedies: uh-huh. You see it’s a very spiritual
state, very spiritual state and a very emotional
Russ: what about Kiri and Karra’s mother…..
Russ: who over a long, protracted time just took
Leonedies: okay, for Karra it doesn’t seem to be
such a sad event….
Leonedies: it is more of glad that it was over but
for my mother who was very young, 17 years old when
my grandmother died.......
Leonedies: and at the height of her spiritual,
(Leonedies returns to the
subject he had initiated.)
Leonedies: …..auntie who when her soulmate was
taken, my mother was very open and spiritually and
emotionally aware, exploring more which is even
harsher than the sexual, spiritual state. The
exploration at that point is something that is
very open, open to all sorts of pain, all sorts of
suffering, all the nerve endings as it were are
raw and open and are wanting input. And to be
someone that you love deeply, a life giver, is
something that is at that age and state is very,
very harsh, very, very hard, very, very painful.
Leonedies: you see, in many ways, my mother is
very much like my grandmother. When you think my
great-grandfather has such a hard time saying no
to his daughter…..
Leonedies: because she is very much like my
grandmother in her rebelliousness, in her sexual
activities, in her…..yes I am aware…..her kink.
Leonedies: I may only be in a physical form of
four years but I am also much more consciously
Russ: of course. Okay I understand, so actually in
a higher dimensional sense, the lack there is and
definite emotional response that still is with you
in sixth dimension but doesn’t detract from that
sixth dimensional state.
Leonedies: no, it is more controlled except for at
times of great......not just sexual states but
emotional states or great situations of great
levity and gravity.
Leonedies: the more intense the situation on a
vibrational level, the more intense the emotional
response will be.
Russ: okay. So to clarify, on a day-to-day basis
with just average everyday problems, emergencies
and so on….
Russ: the emotional control you use in dealing
with those is actually an attribute towards a
sixth dimensional consciousness.
Leonedies: yes, yes. For example, I'm glad that
they're both open and thinking the same thing,
Russ: oh yes.
Leonedies: when Sarah passed, what was my auntie’s
emotional response? She was happy.
Leonedies: it was over, the pain had been taken
away. My mother was the same and I can keep
talking because Treebeard has done a typical old
person thing and is sound asleep......
Russ: oh okay.
Leonedies: so whether or not we get Treebeard is a
point open to conjecture.
Russ: okay. So it’s how you handle the day-to-day,
those emotional responses….
Leonedies: uh-huh yes. They are the ones that
differentiate between the sixth and the third.
Leonedies: with the third, the people that seem to
be much more emotionally responsive seem to be
much less spiritually aware.
Russ: now this brings up an interesting conundrum
Russ: Karra and I were talking about experiencing
the beauty of nature in opening up the chakras….
Russ: and for me that would have an emotional
response of seeing the beauty of nature and just
reveling in it.
Russ: but yet having an emotional response it
seems like in that respect would be a negative.
Leonedies: no, no because seeing the beauty of
nature for a sixth dimensional being…..and let me
put on my sixth dimensional body for a second….
Leonedies: is more along the lines of, and that is
an amusing response that I’m getting, is more of
Russ: oh okay.
Leonedies: which is a different response than what
you would experience.
Russ: oh okay.
Leonedies: the appreciation of something
beautiful, whether it is a burnt stump of a tree
or a freshly......I believe my auntie used the
word snow, freshly fallen snow?
Leonedies: the beauty of that. It is the
appreciation for the beauty of anything whereas
you have an emotional response, they have a
response of appreciating and looking at it from a
totally different angle.
Russ: I see. So, in another words let’s say I have
a car accident…
Russ: and I get emotionally upset, that would be
the negative as opposed to being controlled.
Russ: but to see a tree and appreciate its beauty
is the opposite of that, being able to enjoy would
heighten my chakras…
Russ: and open them therefore it be more of a
sixth dimensional attribute.
Russ: got it.
Leonedies: a good example of a third dimensional
reaction is how when something that you appreciate
is broken? A good example was my father had a
teapot that he absolutely adored…..
Russ: umm yes.
Leonedies: and his young lady of the time broke
Leonedies: her emotional response was to run, to
leave, to hide, what with my father’s response?
Russ: anger at first.
Leonedies: no. His response was, “oh well, it’s
just a pot. It's the memories attached to the pot
that were important, not the pot itself."
Russ: oh okay.
Leonedies: “a pot is just a pot” I think was his
words. Whereupon I think he went and made a cup of
tea in a different teapot….
Russ: oh that’s right, that’s right, I remember
Russ: good point, good point. Well thank you, that
was very enlightening.
Leonedies: you’re welcome, I try.
(Karra returns to make the transition between
Karra: hello again hon.
Russ: hello love.
Karra: how’s it going my love?
Russ: excellent, excellent.
Karra: good, good. Yes I had open up because he
was knocking hard and after the last time he
knocked and entered without asking where I had my
Karra: I thought it was best to let them in and
let him after what he wanted.
Russ: good call and actually it worked well
because it ties in nicely between your
dissertation and his.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay let us put on the next
Karra: and I don’t think we’re going to have
Treebeard as Treebeard has got his head thrown
back and I’m glad that he’s outside the field.
Also we're going to rotate between locations.
Karra: even though I enjoy hosting the channeling
sessions, they are a little more formal than what
they were in the bamboo forest.
Russ: ahh excellent, all right.
Karra: for example, everybody is fully dressed.
Russ: oh what a shame.
Karra: and everybody is sitting prim and proper.
Russ: oh what a pity. Well I don't mind, I think
rotating would be fine.
Karra: uh-huh, it’ll be much more easier and
besides, the portable unit that they have there is
much more advanced and much better than the one we
Russ: right and also easier for Leonedies to come
out and channel too.
Karra: uh-huh, because his poor little legs get so
Russ: I understand. Excellent okay, good call.
(Lyka replaces Karra in the
Russ: hey Kiri.
Lyka: let me talk first thank you.
Russ: oh sorry, yeah I was wrong.
Lyka: God, enlisted personnel.
Russ: well, well, well.
Lyka: no Skipper?
Russ: no, Skip couldn’t make it tonight.
Lyka: oh dear. I’ve got an announcement to make.
Russ: ahh excellent.
Lyka: I will not be able to compete this year.
Russ: no way.
Lyka: for health reasons.
Russ: oh no.
Lyka: an experiment that I tried succeeded…..
Lyka: sooner than anticipated. First time we tried
it it succeeded which is wonderful but I won't be
able to compete.
Russ: are you pregnant?
Russ: oh well congratulations.
Russ: that’s excellent.
Lyka: it was just a test actually.
Russ: well it’s a great test if you got pregnant
on the first time, I’m happy for you.
Lyka: first time. Yes......
Russ: any idea what it is?
Lyka: well there’s only one thing it can be.
Russ: a girl.
Russ: of course.
Lyka: of course.
Russ: wait this is between you and….
Lyka: uh-huh, our genes.
Russ: I’ll be danged.
Russ: that is a great experiment, congratulations
Lyka: thank you, thank you.
Russ: for both of you in fact…
Russ: all three of you.
Lyka: yes and we will be having our bonding
ceremony, we're going to officially bond.
Russ: congratulations, this is great news.
Lyka: we will be going to Leah’s estates…..
Leah: after the races.
Russ: oh you will be attending the races then?
Lyka: I’ve been requested when I let my team know
that I would be unable to compete due the fact of
my condition. I’m also taking a leave of absence
as I have to be monitored and watched very
Russ: I assume all your competitors threw a big
party upon getting the news.
Lyka: actually I received from all the competitors
from Centauri and Sirius their relief and the fact
that they want to award me an honorary gold.
Russ: well fantastic, excellent. Will you accept?
Lyka: to not accept would be an insult.
Russ: oh, you’re quite right, of course. But you
won’t be doing anything.
Lyka: no I won’t be.
Russ: it would be almost be like getting it for
Lyka: well actually I will take one run.
Russ: oh you will?
Lyka: but I will ski standing up straight and
Russ: no tucks, no jumps.
Lyka: no nothing.
Russ: no nothing.
Russ: well you’re in a very delicate condition at
this very point.
Lyka: uh-huh very because of the very nature of
Russ: what are the odds of getting nailed on the
Lyka: about two million to one.
Russ: not, well congratulations doubly so then,
Lyka: well we were at it pretty much all night. We
had enough of the artificial substance, not the
artificial substance, the genetically altered
substance to be able to do it all night.
Russ: excellent, excellent.
Russ: well that’s great news and I think you'll
have a great time at the races anyway cheering on
the Hades Base team.
Lyka: oh of course, of course.
Russ: and of course your biathlon team right?
Russ: and you’re not computing in that then
Russ: oh, I’m sure your teammates are a bit let
down on that one.
Lyka: uh-huh and my commanding officer was quite
Russ: I can imagine.
Lyka: because I did not consult correctly so my
military status is a little shaky at the moment
but I don’t mind.
Russ: oh no not with this in mind, this is a
priority over everything else.
Russ: so…..well I should know, I have a similar
situation myself going on.
Lyka: yes you do don’t you?
Russ: uh-huh, a little bit closer to the event
than yours but still nonetheless it still is
Lyka: six weeks so….
Russ: well so big congratulations…..
Russ: I am very happy for you.
Russ: and of course Leah too, I mean this is
something that you've both been working on for a
Lyka: oh yeah and my sexual arousal state is
coming back to normal.
Russ: excellent, has Bunny heard about this yet?
Lyka: she was there at the conception but she
hasn’t heard yet.
Russ: well I’m sure the news will get to her
pretty quick here.
Lyka: well she’s still at college and she's not
answering mail at the moment.
Russ: oh big into her studies and such.
Lyka: yes, I believe so.
Russ: well that’s great.
Russ: boy. Hmm, so any idea on names yet or is it
Lyka: it's still too early besides she’ll pick the
name when she’s ready.
Russ: that’s true.
Russ: so obviously it’s someone with a past life
associated with both you and Leah.
Lyka: we hope so.
Russ: hmm, so at least one of you but I’m sure
it’ll be somebody that will bring both joy and
good learning experiences for both of you.
Lyka: uh-huh I hope so too, I hope so too.
Russ: excellent, so what are you going to do with
your time off now?
Russ: study what?
Lyka: military science.
Russ: oh really?
Lyka: uh-huh, I thought I would take one of your
earth courses and see how quickly I go through it.
Well actually even though I’m on a leave of
absence, I'm still going to continue my studies.
Russ: excellent, excellent.
Lyka: uh-huh because I’m not officially, even
though I hold the rank of captain, I’m not a full
captain because I’m a student.
Russ: oh, so this will be a step toward getting
that full captaincy then.
Lyka: uh-huh, even though in every aspect I am a
full captain except for the fact that……better
would be probationary captain?
Russ: correct, yes.
Russ: wow, this is great news. What kind of things
are you going to study? Like ancient history as in
Lyka: well I’ve got to work on my ballistics and
Russ: oh, so a bit higher up in the….
Lyka: uh-huh, so I’m going to be working on that,
that is one of the courses I need to brush up on.
Russ: again still huh?
Lyka: I’ve got a work of my maths. I passed my
explosive chemistry courses but I just scraped by
on my physics so I’m going to brush up on that.
Russ: well you'll have some great time to do so.
Lyka: uh-huh and I have a leave of two years.
Russ: two years?
Russ: wow. So who’s the new captain?
Lyka: actually it’s a lieutenant.
Lyka: and he is currently on Sirius and I’m still
making my inspections but even though I am
officially on leave, I don’t have any formal
functions other than the fact that I make
inspections and I can continue studying.
Lyka: my doctor told me that I can still work out
but every time I work out I have to go down and
report to her…..
Lyka: which is once a day. I can’t ski
competitively, swimming is something that they say
I don’t have to go and get checked out afterwards
unless I do diving.
Russ: you can’t go in the dolphin pool.
Lyka: no, that’s a big out.
Lyka: I can continue to be active they say up
until I'm about eight of your months.
Russ: hmm okay.
Russ: gestation period’s the same, nine months…..
Russ: as I remember. So you're....
Lyka: pretty close to nine months…..
Russ: you’re not showing yet.
Lyka: a little over actually.
Russ: but there is no showing, no nothing like
that, you can feel this mind inside of you?
Lyka: not yet.
Russ: oh you can’t?
Lyka: not yet. Yeah, I’m learning all sorts of new
things about it. I’ve learned that it’s very
common for a first-time mother, both on your
dimension and my dimension to actually go late.
Russ: excellent and so this is something you’re
going to be kind of getting more skills and
experience as you go through the whole body
changes and all.
Lyka: uh-huh, yeah.
Russ: any mood swings, morning sickness, cravings?
Lyka: morning sickness in abundance.
Russ: ooohh, what a shame.
Lyka: uh-huh although it started to lessen the
last three or four days.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Lyka: I’m no longer doing projectile vomiting.
Russ: a bit of cramps though and….
Russ: oh my.
Russ: oh so you feel the body changes taking place
Lyka: uh-huh. I had some bleeding but my doctor
assured me that that was perfectly normal.
Lyka: yeah I’ve already got my diet planned out,
got my activities planned out….
Russ: ahh excellent.
Lyka: for various stages. I’ve had some great…..I
got a visitor……actually I was just coming out of
Lyka: hated that kind of exam, being prodded and
poked and pried at.
Russ: ahh of course.
Lyka: came out and a friend of mine that has had
many children, she goes, “well we need to talk.” I
was sort of like, “oh what about?“ And she goes,
“well this is your first.”, Sort of like ”yes it
is” so we sat down and talked for hours.
Russ: oh you’ll be getting lots of talks like
Russ: Kiri and Tia, Karra, everyone you know is a
Lyka: uh-huh. Well actually Tia said that she
can’t be of much help due to the fact that hers
was very unusual.
Russ: yeah it was a bit unusual but she did go
through many mood changes and things like that
you'll be experiencing.....
Lyka: yes she told me.
Lyka: everything from throwing heavy projectiles
using PK to stealing blankets and sheets and
Russ: oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember that one.
Russ: making little nests and stuff.
Lyka: yeah she still doesn’t understand the
instinctual side of that.
(Tia's genetic roots are feline based.)
Russ: right. Well this is great news….
Russ: congratulations and I look forward to the
progressive state of this as it goes along.
Lyka: I am actually, I’m really looking forward to
Lyka: motherhood from what I’ve heard is very
Russ: uh-huh. Do you guys practice Lamaze also up
Russ: Lamaze, it’s a breathing exercise you start
studying at like I think we do it at our seventh
month. I have to go training tomorrow where you
practice with the expectant mother, well at least
the father as in me, goes and we practice various
stages of breathing that you go through during the
Lyka: nope, you’ve totally lost me.
Russ: oh well the parents are very important here
where when you’re in labor, it’s a matter of being
able to breathe and control the contractions to a
point where it lessens the pain and speeds the
delivery along or at least assists it in how you
Lyka: oh okay.
Russ: and the husband or the mate goes along to
Russ: in the breathing process while it’s all
taking place and takes an active part in the birth
Lyka: that’s preprogrammed.
Russ: oh is it?
Russ: well that’s kind of handy, we have to take
six weeks of courses for it.
Lyka: it’s a past life thing.
Russ: oh silly me, of course.
Lyka: it’s actually muscle exercises and stuff.
Russ: right yeah, that’s it.
Russ: yeah pushing and breathing….
Russ: and so on and so forth. Well I don’t know,
I'll find out all about it tomorrow but that’s
good, so Leah will kind of be your partner to the
Leah: uh-huh, yes she doesn’t have access to her
past lives, mine have seemed to have accelerated
which I think is part of the pregnancy and
according to my doctor I am still a little young.
Russ: yeah, you don’t come onto them for another
three years right?
Russ: oh I’m sorry, I thought you were a little
younger. Oh I'm thinking Bunny.
Lyka: uh-huh, I was about to say I am 21, I will
be 22 in a few weeks.
Russ: right, well I get these mixed up sometimes.
Russ: well anyway, congratulations for all that
I’m glad the past lives are coming along too.
Lyka: uh-huh, they normally fully……get full
capability of all past lives by 25 so I’ve been
looking at the ones that I need.
Lyka: uh-huh, at the moment so I’m learning.
Russ: wow, this will be a good change.
Lyka: oh yeah, I’m looking forward to it and I’m
looking forward to getting back to somewhat of
normality. I’m glad that my projectile vomiting is
over or pretty much. I didn’t this morning but I
did yesterday morning and the morning before I
didn’t and the morning before that I didn’t, just
felt nauseated those previous two mornings and
this morning I felt pretty good actually.
Russ: excellent, well pretty soon the cravings
Lyka: pretty soon?
(Russ starts laughing.)
Lyka: try rose petals.
Russ: rose petals? I haven’t tried rose petals.
Lyka: you also ought to try......actually rose
petals and the hips kind of have a unique taste to
Russ: hmm, I'm wondering if I have seen those.
Lyka: uh-huh. What else have I had? Oh something I
really do love at the moment, in fact I’m craving
it right now is salmon liver.
Russ: salmon liver?
Russ: you mean like a pâté?
Lyka: no it’s….
Russ: or actually liver of the salmon.
Lyka: it’s liver of the salmon.
Russ: oh, okay. I guess you could make a pâté out
of that then also.
Lyka: I absolutely love that.
Russ: what’s it taste like?
Lyka: it’s very smooth, silky taste….
Russ: not fishy?
Lyka: yeah it tastes a little fishy.
Russ: hmm, I have to admit I haven’t had salmon
liver in my life.
Lyka: I like it raw, very high in iron.
Russ: okay. Actually that would be a good craving
for you then.
Russ: it’s very important for your….
Lyka: yes, most cravings from what I’ve learned
are beneficial, there’s something your body needs.
Russ: yeah, vitamin C, iron…..
Russ: definitely. I don’t understand the pickles
and ice cream part of it yet. I’m sure there’s
Lyka: you won’t.
Russ: there’s a calcium I’m sure that comes in
handy, I don't get the pickle part but.....
Lyka: it’s a flavor thing.
Russ: oh is it?
Lyka: yeah. Things that are bad that I’m going to
miss is tea.
Russ: oh no tea, that’s right….
Lyka: uh-huh, yes the caffeine is absolutely
Russ: yeah, yeah.
Russ: oh what a pity.
Lyka: what else can’t I have? I think that’s about
it actually. I’ve got to cut down my meat intake.
Russ: well that’s not bad.
Lyka: no that’s not bad but I always have enjoyed
freshly, sliced, almost raw steak.
Lyka: but again, iron in that is good.
Russ: now how is Leah going to be helping you with
the pregnancy at all being as it’s a rather
unusual kind of situation?
Lyka: unusual in what way?
Russ: well in normally you of course in sixth
dimension it's different completely but down here
it’s where the male part of the two people would
have a role as far as once the baby is born taking
Lyka: I don’t see any different…
Russ: actually I think you’re probably luckier.
Russ: two women would probably be way easier to
raise the child.
Lyka: well there’s also Mark is there that he can
help if we need the male influence and I've got a
whole entire platoon that I can use.
Russ: that’s true.
Russ: so will this be a future oath keeper you
Lyka: don’t know but there is one negative side to
Russ: what’s that?
Lyka: I was talking to Treene about her daughter.
Lyka: because Treene and myself are very much
Russ: correct yeah because Treene has the same
Russ: or the same kind of situation.
Lyka: now what is Treene’s daughter?
Lyka: no she’s totally…..Treeny.
Russ: oh yeah, she’s totally into women.
Lyka: no, no, no, no.
Russ: well she’s sterile……
Russ: if that’s what you mean.
Lyka: and she’s also got a third dimensional life
Russ: oh she does?
Lyka: uh-huh. My daughter will be 100% female,
female in every aspect. Not any of male
chromosomes at all.
Russ: is that what maybe messed up Treeny?
Russ: interesting. So it would all be, is it X?
Lyka: yes, I think so, you’d have to talk to the
geneticist that helped to brew up the combination.
Russ: all X, I can see where that might be a
little……well I’ll admit, I can’t say.
Russ: we don’t have any history of that down here
whatsoever so there's no way to….
Lyka: we really won’t know how much the chromosome
imbalance is in there until the fetus is a little
Lyka: but according to the geneticist if I
remember correctly, they tried to blend or change
Leah’s chromosomal setup which made her very
aggressive when we were experimenting, when we
were doing a lot of tests when apparently I got
pregnant, she was very aggressive with me.
Lyka: in fact I had bruises and handprints on my
butt and my legs…..actually it was quite
Russ: I can imagine. Don’t women have a bit of the
male chromosome in them?
Russ: and that’s gone from when you finally got
together on this?
Lyka: uh-huh but there was some manipulation and
they're using gene therapy on Leah when we were
doing it or on the genes that we had put into the
seed so we don’t know how stable those genes are.
Lyka: if they are unstable and revert back to X
chromosome, then the child will be 100% female and
probably be very much like Treene’s daughter.
Lyka: if they stabilized and stay in the Y
configuration, there may be enough there to be
able to do gene therapy as she grows older.
Lyka: but we don’t know but it's a risk that we’re
prepared to take.
Russ: absolutely. Hmm, well it was done with a lot
of love so your child will be definitely someone
Russ: conceived in love and raised in love.
Lyka: whereas Treene’s daughter was done to
fulfill Treene’s desire for a child.
Russ: right so that might have a lot to do with
Lyka: uh-huh. She really wanted a child so she did
it that way.
Russ: like I say, that could be a major factor.
Russ: so no more sword fighting huh?
Lyka: at the moment I can.
Russ: oh you can?
Lyka: but I have a big, red patch on my outfit
that it reads, “No hit”.
Russ: ahh. Well we can always fence using Mark’s
Lyka: even in my pregnant state I will kick your
butt up here.
Russ: I have no doubt of that. Especially that big
no-hit area, I have all-hit area.
Russ: now you’ll still be kept up-to-date and
everything with what’s going with the platoon and
Lyka: oh yes, with my company.
Russ: yep, excellent.
Lyka: uh-huh. Anyway, I think I better hop off, we
have one last speaker who has woken up.
Russ: ahh excellent.
Russ: farewell then and congratulations Lyka.
(Treebeard rouses from his
slumber to channel.)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: miss much not did I?
Russ: no, no, we had some enjoyable conversation,
big news here and there….
Russ: but all in all it was quite an enlightening
Treebeard: hmm, give me one moment to wake
Russ: feel free.
Treebeard: hmm, you want pet to give to bond mate?
I have six little gifts that needs home.
Russ: ahh, the rabbits had rabbits.
Treebeard: rabbits did rabbits as is normal.
Russ: excellent, our children would love a rabbit
Treebeard: I think of offering to little Tia but
think best not to.
Russ: good call, good call, instincts and all.
Anyway, we were discussing chakras and the human
body, I’d like to if possible explore a little bit
about chakras and the plant kingdom.
Russ: and whether or not the same rules apply
between whether a living being such as a human
Treebeard: you are talking of different, physical
makeup where it is more of spiritual consciousness
for tree as opposed to…..yes they being of trees?
Treebeard: let us say trees of age having chakras.
Treebeard: chakras do develop but slowly over
great time. Also chakra setup inverted.
Treebeard: that word means upside down.
Russ: oh I see. Right, so instead of ours where
they face up and down from us…..
Treebeard: with crown chakra for you on top root
on bottom, it other way round for trees of great
Russ: oh I understand, I understand.
Treebeard: reason being you say you understand
not, let us see if you understand.
Russ: well, you with a person, you were born as a
body and a body would already have the chakras put
together but as a tree, you’re going from just a
small, little sapling into a tall tree therefore
you have less space to work with as the chakras
Russ: therefore, you’d start with the crown chakra
and work your way up to a root chakra, though of
course root not being the same thing as roots of a
Treebeard: pretty close……..
Treebeard: pretty close. I will fill in beings of
blank. Chakras so tiny to be non-useful on
seedlings and stay way of that for many years.
When tree starts to be aware of comings and
goings, chakras start to grow and expand but
slowly also. It being in your terminology 70
cycles of planet around solar disk, being before
chakra even starts to expand.
Treebeard: so chakra and consciousness not
necessarily one. Being of my consciousness state
and working with devas and talking with devas,
theory I being have is that devas have chakras
that rotate at a rate that it is phenomenal.
Russ: I understand.
Treebeard: phenomenal being right word?
Russ: that’s right, uh-huh.
Treebeard: reasoning for this assumption is or
rather reasoning for this supposition is that
deva's time perception and inhabiting spiritual
realm would be of higher revolutionary speed for
them to shift from one dimensional state to a
Russ: uh-huh. So devas in interaction with trees
would actually work with some of the older trees
as you say 70 years plus with the tree’s chakras.
Treebeard: uh-huh. 70 cycles being equivalent to a
Russ: right. Now we have some trees that were
around at the birth of Christ or Sananda some
2,000 years ago.
Treebeard: you have some species that are far
Russ: ahh. So the chakra system in such a tree
like that would be even more advanced or at least
Russ: than trees that were a bit younger.
Treebeard: that would be self-evident would it
Russ: true. So the question that comes about from
that is, how much more aware then would those
Treebeard: obviously they would be a more aware
than a sapling.
Treebeard: or a tree of 70 cycles.
Treebeard: that is self-evident is it not?
Russ: well the point that I’m reaching is,
recently in the last week there was a ecological
movement down here to save what’s called the Headwaters
Forest in the redwood area which is one of
the few old growth forests that are down here in
the Pacific Northwest.
Russ: and an agreement was reached that the land
was sold to the government to be held in pituitary
Russ: perpetuity…..thank you.......in a pristine
state so people could enjoy them instead of having
them cut down for housing and paper. Such a forest
then would hold within it a vast amount of
Russ: and a walk through such a forest would be an
enlightening experience then would it not?
Treebeard: and a spiritual experience.
Russ: quite right.
Treebeard: you have heard of tropical rain
Treebeard: do you know what Headwaters Forest is?
Treebeard: it is a temperate rain forest.
Russ: oh. Which would be a higher elevation then?
Treebeard: no, higher, what is word?
Russ: oh latitude?
Russ: I see, as you say, it is a spiritual
experience and to see them wantonly cut down for
purposes that are merely material would be a slap
in the face.
Treebeard: but also they are necessary for your
construction methods. If correctly cultivated what
has been cleared, I think from what I learned from
talking with host in his area, they have areas
that they fell trees and as fell they replant.
Treebeard: I think they call them plantation
Russ: yes, reforestation projects.
Treebeard: so as they cut they replant and
replace. Understand not why you not do that.
Russ: right. Well I personally feel that there's
better things that we could use trees for than for
building purposes but I mean we have the means to
create artificial trees or artificial things that
we make the trees out of for housing and stuff but
we continue to use trees instead.
Treebeard: hmm, I do not understand.
Russ: well for example we use beams from trees to
create houses whereas we could use plastics or
something else to make those and they'd be
stronger, resist infestation by termites and wood
rot and things like that for thousands of years or
at least hundreds of years.
Russ: it would be a better material though it’s
not biodegradable but when you’re building a house
you don’t want it to be anyway.
Treebeard: hmm, I understand what you think and
believe and see in your mind and agree but also
aesthetics plays a part. Think for a moment on
construction of your dwelling.
Russ: uh-huh. Well…..
Treebeard: okay I see what your house made of.
Treebeard: continue with your elaboration.
Russ: well our house here you see a lot of wood on
the outside but most houses are beams that are
covered in what's called drywall.....
Russ: and you never see the wood behind the
drywall. You know it’s there but for the life of
the house you’ll never see that wood.
Russ: so what’s the point of using it if you're
never going to see it anyway, why not use
something that doesn’t destroy our ozone layer by
cutting down major portions of what keeps the
ozone in place?
Treebeard: uh-huh, I understand concern, I have
different concern. You think of cold, I look at
your thought processes and see how thick wall are?
Treebeard: part of your problem is wall thickness.
Treebeard: you have what we call warm weather home
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