(Tia gets the channeling session
started as ring mistress.)
Tia: I’m in.
John: okay. I thought you wanted us to perceive your
entrance into Mark’s body right away?
Skip: good evening……
Tia: greetings, hello.
Skip: and salutations.
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, I’m in…………..center stage on July the
third, 1996 at 2045 hours and the tape is running
live and we have action, questions.
Russ: yeah, let me move this out of the way here to
give us more room.
Tia: okay, you can move it out of the way. Okay,
Judy: no not really, I don't think, I don’t know.
Tia: why not?
Judy: I’m not with it tonight darling.
Tia: okay, we’ll let you off this time.
Judy: thank you.
Skip: what’s your field……..please bear with me, my
mind’s a million miles away but what’s your field of
Tia: astral travel.
Tia: and political current events.
Tia: PK, yes.
Russ: child raising.
Tia: uh-huh and running.
Skip: do you run from the kids?
Tia: I run for fun and health.
Skip: okay, yeah.
Tia: if I have to.
Skip: I was just teasing with her.
Tia: yeah I have to.
John: isn’t one of your heavies…..excuse
Tia: not really no.
John: don’t you have a really good handle on that
and have some good insights?
Tia: no, unfortunately not now.
Russ: Kiri’s much better.
Tia: yeah Kiri’s much better, she’s been in some
really big, massive meta-concerts of I think three
or 400 individuals in one meta-concert.
John: I think you’re being shy and.....
Tia: no seriously, seriously, I’m not that heavy
into meta-concerts. I’ve only ever participated in
two and I was way down in the secondary list, I was
like third tier secondary.
John: and how many people participated in that?
Tia: I think it was like 25 or 30. Third tier was
the lowest level you could get and you get people
that are totally unfamiliar with the field that
they’re working in. For example if it’s a
manifesting meta-concert like you guys were working
on and you have somebody like me that’s into PK, you
put me down in the secondaries or in the second or
third tier of the secondaries because all's I can do
is supply energy, I can't manifest and it’s a not
manifesting energy which gets changed by I
believe…..no I’m wrong, never mind.
John: okay yeah, I’m sorry Skip.
Skip: that’s all right, no, no, no, I’m listening,
I’m all ears.
Tia: well none of us are perfect except for me.
Skip: now wait just a minute…..
Tia: well you said you were all ears but I do make
mistakes, I will mix words up and I will make
statements that don’t mesh.
Skip: are you talking about English or American
Tia: I’m talking about English overall whether it is
American or British English, I still mess up on the
gist of things from time to time. Like I'll
transpose words or put them around the wrong way or
use words that I think mean one thing that actually
mean something totally different.
Skip: that would be a natural statement because our
language is reversed of all the rest of the world’s
Tia: it’s pretty mixed up too.
John: now are you using your computer and headset to
speak to us in fluent English or as fluent as you
Tia: as fluent as I can get.
John: okay my question is as far as languages and
being fluent in language, okay what language do you
speak when you communicate non-telepathically, when
you verbally communicate on Hades Base, what
language do you use?
Tia: I use English because it’s the most easily
understood by a majority of the people. Very few
people understand Durondedunn up here and my Sirian
sucks to say the least.
John: okay so English is a universal kind of
Tia: no, it’s because it is the most commonly spoken
language on your planet……
Tia: it is the most commonly language spoken up here
because it’s like a Esperanza? It's a language that
is used because your flight institutes use it, your
schools use it, your computer people use it…..
John: right, okay I know what we use it on this
planet, why do you use it on Hades Base?
Tia: because it’s the most frequently used language
on your planet and because we watch your planet, we
have to understand what is being said in English so
everybody up here speaks a certain amount of English
except for some of the flight personnel and the
technicians and some of our engineering staff, they
don’t speak a word of English but they all speak
some earth language, well a majority of them anyway.
Skip: in other words it’s a tool.
Tia: yeah uh-huh.
Skip: it’s a primary tool.
Tia: yeah, it’s important, most of the news reports
I listen to…..
Skip: it’s just like……..can I make an example?
Tia: yes sure.
Skip: all carpenters use a hammer….
Skip: I don’t care what language they speak, they
use a hammer.
Tia: yeah, even on Durondedunn we use hammers.
Skip: but this is what I’m trying to say, you’re a
professional in what you're doing so the tool you
use is English.
Skip: the same as a carpenter would use a hammer.
Tia: yeah, I will use a computer to translate into
English if necessary.
Skip: there you go, there you go but it’s still a
Tia: uh-huh, besides my bond mate speaks English so
I have to speak English. (Mark) His Durondedunn is
so bad it’s ridiculous.
Skip: all right.
Tia: last questions Skip?
Skip: no, not right at the present time honey thank
Judy: did I hear Russ say child rearing?
Judy: give me some suggestions about my son.
Tia: your son is older than my children, my children
will be three in November. I’ve always agreed with
Mark in that a firm hand is necessary for the simple
reason that them being psychically active, oh God,
just think what they could do to his rose garden?
Just think what they’ve done to his rose garden. So
it is necessary to use a firm hand and to lay the
law down and stick to it which you do anyway.
Judy: I try real hard.
Tia: yeah. And don’t be afraid, I’m not going to be
ever afraid of my girls even though I can see that
they’re going to be little hellions, they're going
to be worse than me and my sister, but……
Judy: I don't know, he was just doing things that I
never dreamed that he would ever do.
Tia: but didn't you do them when you were young?
Judy: not like he’s doing.
Tia: uh-huh but it’s a different age and time but
the thing that he needs to understand is that you
were young once too and vice a versa. The old adage
of as I am so you shall be, as you are so I was. Did
I say that right?
John: yeah pretty close, close enough for English.
Skip: it came out right.
Judy: okay I was just curious because totally he's
throwing me for a loop.
Tia: uh-huh well the thing to remember is think of
the things that you used to get up to or think of
getting up to and he’s probably thinking of them too
or has done them. Even though you might not have
followed through, it’s possible that he has followed
Judy: he definitely has.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay Johnny?
John: yeah far as would you say your first language
is……I’m going to ask you a question about
John: I'm going to be staying on the same subject.
Is your first language Durondedunn?
John: okay and if you’re not speaking to someone in
Durondedunn or English……
John: is there another common language that you use?
Tia: I’m learning Sirian at the moment and…..
John: okay is Sirian pretty common across the
Tia: oh yes, throughout the base it’s very common. I
should say about 80% of the staff are Sirian and
therefore they speak one dialect or another of
John: see it’s much easier for me to ask you a
question like this than it is Omal……
John: it would have cost me a 150 push-ups if I
Tia: I think you owe him 40 at the moment…..
John: I did 20 push-ups, he ordered me down 10.
Russ: power outage the other day….
Tia: uh-huh okay.
Russ: let’s work it out shall we?
Tia: which power outage?
Russ: the only one that any of us all here felt.
Tia: that would be the one yesterday correct?
Tia: uh-huh you felt it?
Russ: right yesterday at 1:30?
Skip: no, no.
Tia: now there’s an interesting thing occurred that
it affected 11 states in the end.
Tia: but in some places it hit one city block and
skipped another city block, it was very, very
patchy. Now why did it happen? Well it wasn’t just
one thing as they’re saying, it wasn't UFOs, or at
least none of ours, it wasn’t sunspots, it wasn’t
seismic activity, it wasn’t anything like that, it
was just plain and simple.....
Tia: overuse coupled with the heat, simple as that.
Skip: too many air-conditioners.
Tia: yep, too many air-conditioners and the place
was already hot and it drained more energy. Now the
silly foolishness is to have so much importance
placed in one place because next time that it
goes......don’t think that Russ.......it might not
be just for an hour or two hours, it could be for a
day, two days or even three days or longer possibly.
And it’s really something that should be taken care
of but I don’t see that they have the money to put
up new substations that will handle distributing
that much power so quickly, it’s something they may
take 10 or 15 years to distribute it. So it is
something to be prepared for the possibility of
power going out again. Another good example was the
most recent Summer Hills fire, Autumn Hills fire
thank you. Now what happens if that had got even
worse and spread and took out more power? Well then
you would go to a lockdown mode and prepare for the
worst. It might not happen but it’s certainly handy
practice for anything else that could be thrown at
you. What you need to survive that is definitely
cooking fuels, whether it is charcoal, wood, oil,
kerosene, whatever, you need that definitely to
survive. After all you can’t live on cold food all
John: sure you can.
Tia: it gets dull and boring.
John: yeah but you can live on it just fine, believe
Tia: uh-huh, yeah it’s like you might say you
wouldn’t eat bugs and stuff but you can live on
John: bet your ass, I eat bugs……
Tia: yeah we’ve done that routine.
John: yes, we’ve gone through that routine.
Tia: uh-huh, it’s like tonight, I cooked for the
Cubs dressed dog. You guys are wincing.
Russ: no, I’m thinking of a little dog all dressed
up and everything ready to go out or something.
John: yeah, like a poodle in a bowtie kind of.
Tia: I think it might have been a poodle actually.
Russ: like a German Shepherd in like a top hat.
Skip: darling, one more question please, is Sirian
hard to learn?
Tia: it is quite hard to learn actually, I’m having
difficulty getting my mouth around some of the
Russ: it’s a lot like Latin only tougher.
Tia: tougher isn’t the word for it, it is a very
irritating language because you pronounce one word
one way for example dorna mean door……
Tia: but you say dwana which is a window right? And
if you say dwana with a little emphasis on it like
dworna, you saying something totally different. It’s
not as bad as my own language Durondedunn where an
inflection of a….(Says two words in her
language.)……means something wildly different, not
just slightly different…..
Tia: but totally different. It’s like the
word..(Says two more words in her language.)……one
means goodbye and one basically means eat my shorts
but it’s little bit more graphic and descriptive.
Tia: so the inflection in Durondedunn is more
important than it is in Sirian. Sirian, you won’t
say much in the way of swear words by mixing words
up too much, they’re different enough that it
is.......you're deliberately saying it.
Tia: okay, I’m going to put the next person on.
Skip: thank you.
John: thanks a lot.
Russ: bye Tia.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Russ: see you later.
(Kiri gets us to the end of the
John: it's Kiri.
John: hello Kiri.
Kiri: okay, questions and answers. First of all, I
will be unavailable from the 14th to the 21st.
Kiri: I’m going to Sirius.
Skip: you’re going to Sirius?
Skip: Sirius what?
Kiri: Sirius B.
Skip: oh, okay. I’m there again tonight okay?
Kiri: well you’re partly the reason why I’m going.
Kiri: I’m going to go and see my grandmother for
Skip: oh you’re going to go see her.
Skip: congratulations darling.
Kiri: congrat…….? Well……
Skip: well she’s still there.
Kiri: yes she still there.
Skip: well that’s what I’m saying, congratulations.
Kiri: oh yes, I don’t think she’s planning on going
anywhere too soon.
John: okay on a more serious note……
Kiri: is that a play on words or something?
Kiri: oh, sorry I didn’t laugh.
John: that's okay....
(Skip starts to laugh.)
John: neither did anyone else besides Skip. How long
does it take you, about three days, am I mistaken?
Kiri: no, I’m going to be in the mountains for three
days, I have an engineering........
John: no, no, your travel time, from Hades Base to
Kiri: travel time? I’m going on a six-hour trip but
there are tighter ones and longer ones.
John: oh okay.
Kiri: yeah, I’m taking…..
John: so your particular trip is going to take you
about six hours.
Kiri: yeah uh-huh.
Kiri: yeah I’m going…..might be of interest to
Skip…..I’m going to a engineering seminar is one of
the things I’m going to.
Skip: oh that’s neat, I like that.
Skip: I wish I could go with you.
Kiri: you would love it.
Russ: and a bathing suit convention.
Russ: and a bathing suit convention.
Kiri: yes, my other line of interest, I design
Skip: you’re sure I can’t go with you?
Kiri: you’d love it wouldn’t you?
Skip: yes I would.
Kiri: I’m going to love it too.
Skip: thanks a lot.
Judy: are you going to relay the information back?
Kiri: yes I will be bringing back some of the
engineering information. As I said, Skip is partly
the reason why I’m going to Sirius, I’m going to be
spending some time with my grandmother, I’m taking
the children with me and I’m putting Leonedies in a
special school whilst I’m there, it will do him
good. And Alex I’m going to carry around with me as
he's shown an interest in engineering and also
swimsuits, I wonder why.
Skip: okay now question…..
Skip: are you going to check with grandma to see
Kiri: that’s one of the reasons I’m going up to see
her. The other one is I’m going to be going through
a ceremony that I have to go through so in advance,
I apologize for not being around for the channeling
session in the week of the 14th to the 21st….
Skip: well, I think we might be able to make do….
Kiri: without me?
Kiri: oh I’m crushed.
Skip: but we'll miss you.
Kiri: oh okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay now seriously…….
Skip: now, this meta-concert, you’re well-versed in
Kiri: well I have participated in some meta-concerts
Skip: okay now we tried to put out a flame tonight….
Skip: between five of us.
Kiri: I’m not that familiar with manifesting
meta-concerts, I’ve only ever participated in
coercive meta-concerts and healing meta-concerts….
Kiri: where I sit outside the meta-concert in a
healing meta-concert and coerce the person into
being open and receptive and helping to focus the
energy internally for them to heal.
Skip: oh okay all right.
John: how many individuals involved in that?
Kiri: in which one?
John: well just give me some figures, some numbers….
Skip: in healing meta-concerts?
Kiri: healing meta-concerts? I’ve been involved with
about 10 individuals.
John: in one particular meta-concert you’re talking
Kiri: uh-huh, one meta-concert, healing meta-concert
it was about 10 individuals. I think that’s the
highest number I’ve been involved with. Normally
healing meta-concerts are small meta-concerts
involving no more than maybe six or seven people.
Coercive meta-concerts on the other hand can vary
from maybe a few dozen to the biggest one I’ve been
in was about 350 minds linked together and that was
a unpleasant thing to be involved in. It was my
college and what we basically did was there was a
corrupt coercer, very, very talented lady, very
talented. She had picked up the scholarship award
twice, not consecutively but over a three-year
period, she picked it up twice. Very talented, very,
very talented, very, very, very corrupt. She used
people like you would use a rag to clean the floor.
Skip: oh my goodness gracious.
John: so it was a potentially dangerous situation….
Kiri: yes it was dangerous but the simple fact of
what we did to her was basically we killed her, we
snuffed her out because we……...
John: yes but it took a collective mind at your
college to go after this very powerful individual….
John: am I correct?
John: and it took about a 150 of you?
John: and collectively you removed this person like
you remove a fungus.
Kiri: yeah, we basically erased her. She is I
believe awaiting rebirth on the third dimension
which is where she would’ve ended up anyway if we
hadn’t of done what we did. We did it for the simple
reason that our society will not tolerate people
like that. It is worse than murder.
John: isn’t that a punishment….
John: when someone goes from a sixth dimensional
level to the third dimensional level?
Kiri: no we don’t consider it as a punishment, we
consider it as they need to relearn what they’ve
Kiri: it’s not a punishment, it is going back to
school to relearn what you've forgotten.
Judy: excuse me........
Judy: I'll be back.
Skip: okay darling, question, then we’re not
spinning our wheels with just five of us doing this
meta-concert and trying….
Skip: all right okay, I thought we was maybe getting
down to a point where….
Kiri: you are at the minimum number acceptable for a
Skip: that’s what I was…...
Kiri: yeah, but you are not spinning your wheels.
Kiri: ideally what you would like to do is have four
Kiri: two primaries…..
Kiri: so that’s six people plus you your conductor
and your executive, the executive and conductor.
Skip: so you’re talking about approximately 8 to 10
Kiri: yeah 8 to 10 people is the ideal number, seven
you can get away with, five is the minimum
number…..actually four is the minimum number because
you have a primary, secondary, conductor, executive.
Kiri: so you are just outside the very, very minimum
number and a four-person meta-concert I believe
works just, five meta-concert is a much better
improvement than four.
Skip: okay all right, I was just kind of checking on
it, because I didn’t know if we was…
Kiri: well you’ve seen how the candle reacts.
Skip: yeah, it’s reacted for us.
Kiri: uh-huh so therefore it’s working.
Skip: yeah okay.
John: okay now as far as the positioning and the
rearranging and stuff…...
Kiri: you’d have to talk to Omal.
John: Omal is the one to talk to?
Kiri: yes uh-huh.
John: about that?
Skip: uh-huh, the physical positioning of the
Kiri: yeah I mean Omal has much better knowledge in
orchestrating meta-concerts than I’ll ever have.
Kiri: he has organized and when I say organized, he
has organized a meta-concert from the planning
stages all the way through to the actual firing
Kiri: and he has done a wide variety of different
meta-concerts from manifesting to PK to remote
viewing which is different from astral travel to oh,
all sorts of different meta-concerts.
Skip: okay thank you darling, I appreciate that, I
just was kind of curious about that.
Kiri: oh no problem, no problem. Yes?
Russ: a meta-concert being a tool……
Russ: as we were discussing earlier with a hammer
John: yeah, go ahead.
Russ: it’s how well each of the people in the
meta-concert can use the tool….
Russ: that determines the strength of the
Kiri: that’s correct, yes.
Russ: therefore if you have two people in the
meta-concert who are really good and three who
aren’t let’s say….
Russ: then it’s not going to be as effective as all
five got together and worked on it…….
Kiri: that’s right.
Russ: and got all five of them up to the same level
as the two.
Kiri: that’s correct but you are at the moment in
the learning mode so you put the weakest people in
the secondaries, you put the strongest people in the
primaries and the conducting mode and the executive
mode but once everybody is trained, you can
experiment around and what it will do is it will
increase everybody’s abilities.
Skip: oh okay.
John: but I mean I’ve already been experimenting to
a certain degree and I mean the placement is very
Kiri: oh it most certainly is, it’s very important
but at the moment the main thing to remember is that
everybody must learn from the experience. It is a
learning tool at the moment. I mean…….
John: isn't every moment a learning tool?
John: whether it's a meta-concert or everyday life?
Kiri: well what I mean is with a meta-concert you’re
how to use a meta-concert, its potentials, its
effects, its side effects, its negative effects, its
positive effects, there’s a lot that you can learn
from a meta-concert. It doesn’t matter to start off
with if it’s a success or a failure, it is becoming
the team that next month, next year can go, “okay
let’s get together, the room’s 32°, we're cold,
let’s heat it up.”
Kiri: so you agitate the air molecules and you
increase the heat. You can’t do that at the moment
but maybe in a year’s time you can do that, heat up
the room. So the thing is that you’re not planning
right now for every time to have a success, you’re
planning to learn how to work together as a cohesive
John: yep, that’s right where I am at on that.
Kiri: now each one of you is part of a internal
combustion engine, whether you’re the pistons, the
valves, the crankshaft, the carburetor, the exhaust
ports, you all play a very, very important role in
the engine of the meta-concert. And when you build
an engine, first of all you test it to make sure it
works properly, to make sure there’s nothing
catching and it’s nice and smooth and what you're
doing is the engine is learning its pathways and
that’s what you’re doing with a meta-concert.
John: I hope so.
John: I just wish…
Kiri: what the goal is.
John: yeah, that’s ideally in my mind, yeah.
Kiri: so you shouldn’t feel bad about failures, in
fact failures……the way to look at them is one more
step closer to success. Okay so you failed one time,
next time you might succeed and if not, you’re still
a step closer to succeeding. You never take a step
John: how about the candle exercise that we’re
using, is that a good starting exercise? That was
very important to me….
Kiri: yes, it is.
John: because it was something that was…..
John: tangible, something we could work on.
John: okay? Now other exercises would be like….
Kiri: heating water…….
John: moving a piece of lint around a white board?
Kiri: uh-huh, you'd want somebody that is definitely
a PK person to be the executive for that because
you're supplying him the energy.
John: right, wouldn’t Mark be quite qualified for
Kiri: no, Mark has no PK or nothing worth mentioning
so let’s not mention what’s not worth mentioning.
John: okay, well how about Russ in the executor's
Russ: my PK’s pretty weak too.
Kiri: I pee stronger in the morning than Russ' PK
(Skip bursts out laughing.)
John: how important is psychokinesis with the
meta-concert, is it…..
Kiri: you’ve got to have somebody that has some,
whether it is weaker than I pee in the morning……
John: does anyone in our group that has some? I
mentioned Russ and I mentioned Mark okay?
Kiri: I wouldn't count on Mark's ability.
John: how about Skip, does Skip have any PK ability?
Kiri: I don’t know, I think Skip has some but….
John: how about myself or Judy I mean?
Kiri: I was about to say you're all in the same boat
here that what you do have is not very much.
Kiri: (Sighs) okay, tape’s almost, yeah tape’s
almost close to being over.
Russ: let's burn it out on you darling.
Kiri: okay, let's burn it out on me.
Skip: I got a question to ask you. Mark and myself
have kind of come up with an idea of a model flying
Skip: what has transpired on that last.
Kiri: I have a whole set of plans and everything all
designed of several different wings.
Russ: and a prototype.
Kiri: and a prototype yes.
Skip: right, what are we doing?
Kiri: I think Mark needs to focus. Has anybody seen
the new X-33 design?
Skip: no I haven’t.
Kiri: it’s interesting isn’t it? It’s not a new
Russ: no it’s old design.
Kiri: you know how old it is?
Russ: it's millions of years old.
Kiri: no but on your planet?
Russ: oh well yeah.
Skip: what is it?
Russ: it’s the new space shuttle for the next
Skip: oh okay, I haven’t seen or heard of it.
Kiri: do you know when it first was designed?
Kiri: it was designed back in 1943.
John: an original earth design?
Kiri: well it’s not an original earth design but it
is close to an original design.
Skip: built by the Germans?
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.
Skip: that would be the logical conclusion…….
Skip: because they come up rockets and everything
else in ‘43.
Kiri: uh-huh and the thing was that all the testing
and everything that they’ve been doing is retesting
which to me strikes me as a total waste but
unfortunately they had to do it that way due to the
fact that all the documents relating to the tests
that the Germans did were destroyed.
Skip: oh okay.
Kiri: and what few ones that there were ended up in
the Russian's hands and they weren’t complete.
Skip: and they were conclusive.
Kiri: that’s right.
Kiri: the Germans could have had it operational I
should say by 1950. That particular design could’ve
been operational and active in 1950 if the Germans
had of been allowed to pursue it.
Skip: well the same thing goes for machinery.
Kiri: oh yeah.
Skip: I worked on machinery in ‘52 that were
confiscated from Europe……
Skip: in 1945 and shipped to the United States.
Kiri: Mark was working with computers in the Army I
believe that were compatible or comparable to the
computers that Russ now has on his desktop apart
from the drive units were about the size of your
Skip: yeah, yeah, I remember the first what they
called ultimate computer that they had in some
Skip: it took up the whole basement.
Kiri: uh-huh. But…..
Skip: it was huge.
Kiri: yeah but the power of the computers that Mark
was using the military were comparable easily to the
computers that Russ is using but it took much more
Kiri: now the interesting thing is now, what is the
military using? And our resident expert knows
already what they’re using.
John: will he tell us?
Kiri: her, yes her. (Tia)
Skip: I still want to know where we’re at with this
Kiri: okay back to the wing, back to the wing.
Skip: not just a minute, just a minute, I understand
that you get several plans up there and a prototype.
Kiri: I got a job for Russ. Russ, tell Mark on
Friday that he has to go down to the hobby shop,
this is what he needs. He needs to get balsa wood,
he needs to get 1/8 inch balsa wood?
Skip: oh you mean for sheeting?
Skip: yeah for the walls, for ribs?
Kiri: 3/16, this is the small prototype.
Skip: yes, this will be our model.
Kiri: for the bigger one okay?
Skip: yeah. We’ve already got the stiffeners, I made
them for the wings…..
Kiri: yeah uh-huh.
Skip: so they won’t tear up into pieces.
Kiri: yeah, okay we've got that taken care of. We
need the balsa, how many sheets do you think?
Because it comes in I think is something like 6
Skip: by 3 foot I believe.
Skip: by 3 foot.
Kiri: yeah by 3 foot. So we would need….
John: you looking at it what about……?
Skip: I’ll have to sit down and figure it out
John: two tons of balsa?
Skip: what? No, no, no, no, no, we’re just building,
we’re just building a model.
John: oh I thought you guys were going to fly a
Skip: no, no, we’re building a model.
Kiri: so four of them?
Skip: yeah, let’s start out with four, if we don’t
have enough we can always get more.
Kiri: okay so we need four 3/16’s.
Skip: for the sheeting 1/8, for the ribs themselves
Skip: okay, I don’t know how Mark........what the
design is because we haven’t been able to sit down
and discuss it.
Kiri: we’re going to use a flat airfoil.
Skip: we’re not going to use ribs on the inside of
Kiri: no, we’re not going to do a symmetrical
airfoil, we're going to do a flat bottom airfoil.
We'll use ribs on the inside but only half.
Kiri: I’m going to download some information into
him on the wing, in fact it’s already downloaded
into him, it’s just a matter of putting it in front
of his mind again.
Skip: okay all right okay.
Kiri: because if you remember we did download some a
while back if you remember.
Skip: yeah and I went ahead and cut the oak
stiffeners for it so that we had something to keep
it from tearing to pieces.
Kiri: uh-huh because there’s going to be a lot of
stress and strain on the wing.
Skip: yeah and it’ll still be able to give because
we only figured on putting one oak strip in them.
Skip: I don’t know if them are going to be too heavy
or not, they may be……
Skip: I may have to cut them down.
Kiri: yeah well we can work on that at the time
Skip: but if you'll put it in front of Mark's mind….
Skip: and then we can get together and discuss what
we need and we can make out a material list.
Kiri: okay I will put in a cascade command which
will be flying wing. You can help with that, just
get the tape recorder ready because he’ll start
babbling and spouting specifications and you'll have
to catch it quick. So have the tape ready when you
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: no problem.
Skip: I appreciate that.
Kiri: okay and the tape is……
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Kiri is continuing answering
questions from a different session as we enter.)
Kiri: right? Let us say it gets to the situation
where I’m desperate for food right? I have
Kiri: I have my engineering skills but supposing
they don’t need that engineering skills right?
Kiri: I have other things that I could trade. I
can clean, I’m a passable cook if I really try……
Russ: what about coercive needs that they might
need? You couldn’t like really trade that could
Kiri: exactly, it’s one of those things.
Russ: that’s a real gray area there.
Kiri: uh-huh and it goes through let’s say I have
my body, that’s not really selling myself, it’s
trading a service…..
Kiri: for whatever I need.
Kiri: yeah it’s like Bunny, she’s not a hooker,
she’s a dancer….
Kiri: and she’s a student, she just happens to
enjoy making love and having sex. Well I don’t
think she’s actually experienced lovemaking
Kiri: she’s had a lot of sex.
Russ: so as a reader of what we've missed on tape
basically, this is something that we could use in
our future down here…….
Russ: as a similar example set on Sirius….
Russ: and does that go on throughout all of Ashtar
Kiri: I believe so yes.
Russ: now on the bases themselves……..for example
you work on the base…….
Russ: as an engineer.
Russ: therefore your food, your luxury items……
Russ: and other things, you still pay for your
Kiri: correct, that comes out of my own revenue.
Russ: right but everything else is all included.
Russ: because you are performing a service.
Russ: apartment and so on.
Russ: now what about on Sirius where you have to
have a place to live……
Russ: do you maintain the grounds or…….?
Kiri: yes, you would be maintaining the grounds,
painting the buildings…..
Russ: who actually owns the building?
Kiri: the landlord.
Russ: the landlord owns it, how did he get it?
Kiri: well let’s say it’s been in the family for a
long time. Let’s take some of our property that we
have on Sirius…..
Kiri: the Tanaka family overall. Okay, we have
quite a few properties, we have people that live
in those. It’s been in our family for centuries,
Kiri: right? They maintain the property, they look
after it, they live there right? They keep the
grounds looking good, they keep the house looking
good, they live there.
Russ: so they don’t pay rent?
Kiri: no but by keeping the houses looking good
and often they have gardens in the back and they
give us any extra that they have.
Russ: okay, well let’s say somebody has property
and the die but they leave no heirs….
Russ: what happens to the property?
Kiri: it goes to another family member or if there
are no family members right?
Kiri: it goes into the community property and a
person will step forward and say, “I offer my
services for a 100 years as psychokinesis or I
will build or I will clear or I will farm or from
my farm I will give…….”
Russ: I see.
Kiri: you bid your services.
Russ: now what about the president?
Russ: the president has their services, they don’t
actually own the presidential place they live at.
Russ: but they probably come from well.....
Kiri: you don’t understand what the president does
Russ: I haven’t the slightest idea, I mean it
can’t be the same thing as our president.
Kiri: no. The president here is supplying a very
Russ: oh good, I have to know this because I have
to meet her and of course I know your dad.
(Ed. note: This was because of a ceremony I had
been invited to on Sirius I would be attending in
my astral form.)
Kiri: yeah, they supply the service of running the
planet. They may have the final say so on what
happens. Whatever happens on the planet and it is
their final decision, whether or not they’ve got
advisors that give them advice etc., it is their
final decision. They serve the people, they are
responsible to everybody on Sirius. Now let us say
you lived on Sirius…..
Kiri: and you had a problem……
Kiri: and it was a very important problem. You
passed to your regional senator……..regional
representative who in turn passes it on to the
regional senator who takes it to the overall
senator right? Who takes it to the president.
Let’s say it’s that important that it could not be
Kiri: let us say that you had a plot of land
right? That had a rare flower on it. You are
prepared to transport that flower to a very
similar location, it’s an environmental thing.
Kiri: right? And none of the people wanted to make
a decision, it goes before the president, the
president makes a decision yes or no.
Kiri: the president is ultimately responsible.
Russ: hmm. All right, so any major industry, let’s
Russ: is all controlled by the goods that are
Russ: give you goods in return.
Kiri: in a way yes, it is also governed by
something that is very similar to your
Environmental Protection Agency. If too much fish
is taken, the person is penalized.
Kiri: if too little fish is taken, the person is
penalized because it becomes overpopulated.
Russ: okay. What about education, how about if you
have kids, is it mandatory that they go to school
Russ: do they pay for it if they go to school?
Kiri: no, education is totally free.
Russ: okay, but they don’t have to go?
Kiri: they don’t have to go, that is your
Kiri: as a parent. Because don’t forget, we don’t
get our full memories and everything until we
(Memories of all their past lives.)
Kiri: normally later than before.
Russ: okay, so basically they might wait till 21
to send them to school?
Kiri: well hopefully they will be fully educated
by the time they get that old.
Russ: right, that's what I was thinking.
Russ: and school lasts for much longer?
Kiri: however long the person wishes. Take for
Kiri: he’s already reading, he’s not even three
Russ: right, I wouldn’t think he'd even need
Kiri: he’s going to go to school, he’s going to
Kiri: that is because I wish it to be so and he
understands the fact that I wish it to be so but
he is learning things.
Kiri: it is quite normal for a super operant to be
reading things equivalent to technical manuals on
Kiri: yeah, how to build an engine, how to build a
Russ: well schools also teach him interaction with
people other than his family.
Kiri: that’s correct, correct. There is a lot more
emphasis on that kind of thing than just learning
how to read, learning how to do maths, he can do
some of that already.
Russ: now can you tell a parent, I mean can a
parent tell when a child is born, due to their
access to their lives, whether or not that child
has the first time on sixth dimension?
Kiri: not really, it’s a little bit different with
your own children.
Kiri: we will take them to specialists. It’s kind
of like because they are my genes and Mark’s
genes, we really can't see or I know Mark can’t
see that well, it’s very foggy. I see a mixture of
lives when I look at Leonedies, I see a mixture of
lives when I look at……
Kiri: Alex. When I look at the Cubs, I know.
Kiri: but I’m bound not to tell.
Russ: now when you take them to the specialist,
does a specialist charge you anything?
Russ: a service?
Russ: okay, what would you do for the specialist?
Kiri: the specialist that I took Alex and
Leonedies to wanted a swimsuit.
Russ: oh okay, that makes it pretty easy.
Russ: and then you have vast quantities of wine
that you can…….
Kiri: that I can also trade.
Russ: work would yeah if you have to.
Kiri: and if he wanted his wife looked at I
(Russ starts laughing.)
Kiri: she’s a fox.
Kiri: I would’ve been delighted to have her in
for……instead of just having a holo to work with I
would’ve liked her in for a physical……
Kiri: so that I could have had her stand there and
I would’ve given her the best, best possible fit.
Russ: of course.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: and then when I had Leonedies done, they
charged me I think it was two cases of wine and
then they gave the two cases of wine back because
they couldn’t see.
Russ: they couldn’t see?
Kiri: he was blocking.
Russ: he didn’t want to be seen.
Kiri: that’s right.
Russ: for good reason which we know now.
Kiri: yes. Which at the time raised a whole load
of questions on why was he blocking........
Russ: I remember those questions.
Kiri: yeah and it was sort of like well he’s a
super operant, super operant’s can do that, they
can be very private individuals.
Russ: but now what makes them specialists, because
their psychic skills and clairvoyance is more
highly tuned than others?
Kiri: they read past lives better.
Russ: I see.
Kiri: they will sit down and they will talk to the
child on a mental level and they will put the
child basically into a state of relaxation where
the child can be open to be read, to access the
area that is blocked, the child does not know.
Russ: oh I see.
Russ: but he knew.
Kiri: yeah he knew, Leonedies knew.
Russ: now what about medical skills, are those
free for everyone….
Russ: within Ashtar command and so on?
Kiri: yes, unless it’s cosmetic.
Kiri: let’s say like Tia had, she wanted bigger
breasts because she felt a little bit…
Russ: well compared to you and Karra….
Kiri: she felt a little bit….
Kiri: yes but personally I thought they were very
pretty as they were anyway.
Russ: I thought so too.
Kiri: uh-huh but she wanted bigger breasts.
Russ: did she get them?
Kiri: yeah, she took some tablets.
Kiri: but that’s a luxury.
Russ: I hadn’t even noticed.
Kiri: well she…..God it was a while ago.
Russ: oh that’s why.
Kiri: it was like four years ago.
Russ: oh okay. So that was a luxury……
Russ: so she paid for that was some service
Russ: I see, okay.
Kiri: basically what she did was some bookwork if
my memory serves right.
Russ: oh, that’s not too bad.
Russ: okay. But other than that, rejuvenation and
Kiri: rejuvenation is totally free unless you are
one of the very, very fortunate ones that has a
Russ: oh, not very common I take it.
Kiri: not very common, it’s about.one in a million
and seeing as we only have a population on the
planet of maybe 20 million….
Russ: that’s all your population is on Sirius?
Russ: seems like I thought it was more.
Kiri: what is more on sister worlds and bases and
stuff, we probably have a population of maybe 22,
23 million in total.
Russ: well I went to Alpha Centauri once….
Russ: and I saw their prison system there…
Russ: but as I stated then, it was an interesting
system of punishment you have…
Russ: where the person actually punishes
Kiri: yeah unless they are……they know they’ve done
something wrong unless they are that small, very
small group that is mentally unbalanced.
Russ: I see. Now is the President of Sirius under
the planetary Council?
Russ: so let’s say your…..the president couldn't
decide on your special species of flower….
Russ: then it would go before the planetary
Kiri: no, he has to decide.
Russ: oh he has to?
Kiri: he has to. The planetary Council deals with
sister worlds, bases and so on.
Russ: they don’t deal with Sirius?
Russ: why not? Because that’s what the president's
Kiri: that’s correct.
Kiri: he reports to them.
Russ: I see.
Kiri: they do not tell him what to do and he
cannot tell them what to do.
Russ: hmm, but they’re all on a good friendship
Kiri: uh-huh, he can go to them for advice and
they can come to him for advice but in ceremonial,
they are the top.
Kiri: and there is no president of the Council,
there is no president of the planetary Council,
they are all equal.
Russ: now don’t super operants come into a special
category with all we're talking about with the
barter system and everything?
Kiri: yes, yes very much so.
Russ: why? I mean for example, let’s take an
Kiri: okay for example, because they had access to
all their past lives from the get-go…..
Kiri: they are exempt from certain services. They
have certain rights, the services that they're
exempt from are medical unless they so desire to
do so. For example, let’s say Alex develops an
awesome healing ability…..
Kiri: right? He would be expected to become a
Kiri: regardless of his interest if he becomes an
Kiri: right? Let us say Leonedies became an
awesome healer, he is exempt.
Russ: because he’s a super operant and he has…..
Kiri: much more important things. Let us say when
he reaches adulthood right?
Kiri: he desires a young lady.
Kiri: right? She has to be honest and upfront with
Russ: well she has to anyway.
Russ: because he would know otherwise.
Kiri: correct but if she’s ovulating right? And he
desires her and she's sort of like, “maybe”, she
can’t go maybe, she has to. Because….
Russ: he’s seen all his past lives.
Kiri: he’s seen all his past lives, he knows all
her past lives right? And if she’s ovulating, the
chances of pregnancy are very good.
Russ: so his genes are worth more than any service
he could provide.
Kiri: okay, is totally unallowed to go into any
form of planetary defense service, he is totally
not allowed to become a pilot or anything that
would endanger his very existence.
Kiri: he is not allowed to do anything more than
recreational ski, anything that endangers his
Russ: it almost sounds like he’s more controlled
than you are.
Kiri: oh they’re very controlled. Once a year……..
Russ: is that because he’s a rare resource?
Russ: they’ve got to be increasing with the
Kiri: oh they are, they are but it’s still a rare
Russ: is it?
Kiri: uh-huh. There’s about one for every……it’s
somewhere between a hundred thousand to 200,000.
Russ: what did it use to be?
Kiri: oh God, no it was about 500,000 to 700,000.
Russ: so at what point do you stop the controlling
or you don’t have access to that?
Kiri: I don’t know, I don’t know.
Russ: no idea.
Kiri: now this is a hard one for me to figure out,
well actually it’s not hard for me to figure out
but it’s hard for me to totally understand. He
will have to until he is incapable once a year
leave a sperm sample.
Kiri: he has to give twice a year blood and
Kiri: he has to report in once every six months
for a full physical checkup, physical and mental
because of the very nature of super operants the
fact that they sometimes implode.
Kiri: normally first-time super operants implode.
Kiri: but all super operants have to go for mental
Russ: even though what we know about Leonedies?
(Leonedies is an eighth dimensional being in a
sixth dimensional body.)
Kiri: well can you make an exemption? No.
Kiri: and Leonedies will be the first to tell you
when he’s being reasonable that you don’t make
Kiri: so you see the importance of the super
operants and the reason why they are very
Kiri: they are not allowed to join with their
twins, if their twins are super operants and they
have the desire to make love with them, they
cannot do that.
Russ: okay, big question why?
Kiri: because of the conflicting genes, they’re
too close. Even if the gene pool in the family is
totally clean in both families and has been for
10,000 years, they cannot.
Russ: but gene manipulation can be controlled? But
for super operants it’s a different story.
Kiri: correct however, if they take precautions
Kiri: but it's basically you go to the official
people, you get the precaution, you take the
tablet, you have the shot……
Russ: and that’s why we’re having this discussion.
Russ: because of Leonedies.
Russ: and the situation he’s in.
Kiri: yes, (laughs) you’re leaking.
Russ: thank you.
Russ: okay, so basically the whole society is
structured but at the same time it’s structured in
a very way that allows for more rights than less
Russ: unless you’re a super operant.
Kiri: correct, super operants basically have no
Kiri: which is very, very sad.
Russ: does anybody.......does the super operants
Kiri: no, they’re all very understanding about it.
Now there is one thing that is I think you’ll find
very hard to understand........
Kiri: but it goes with the importance of the super
operants. If you are in a situation whether it’s
either you or the super operant is going to die,
Kiri: regardless, you give your life up for the
super operant. It was designed that way so that
selfishness does not come into it. It doesn’t
matter how important you are……let’s say my father
for example and Leonedies were stranded on a boat
in the middle of the ocean right?
Kiri: and they have no food. Now he’s the
Kiri: he is expected to give up his life so that
Leonedies could live. However, now this is the
hard part is that Leonedies would have to take
over his position regardless of his age and do
those duties. He would be expected to access the
president’s past lives, access his current resting
status and get all the information and basically
let his body become a host until the service is
Russ: and people are taught this from a very early
Russ: that super operants are to be kept safe
Kiri: uh-huh protected.
Russ: you sacrifice yourself for them. Doesn’t
this give people in your society this sort of
separate view of super operants?
Kiri: yes, they are very separate and they’re
pitied because they are so controlled.
Russ: so even though you have to give your life up
for this guy….
Russ: you pity them?
Kiri: well would you like your private life
totally infringed upon, dictating where you can
and cannot go, what you can and cannot do?
Russ: no, of course not.
Kiri: that’s what happens to super operants.
Russ: does it change when you get up in the higher
Kiri: yes totally, this is only on Sirius because
we are…..have so few of them.
Kiri: I mean we probably have no more than maybe
two or 3,000 on Sirius and sister worlds and on
all the other bases, pure blood Sirians that are
Kiri: probably about 10 times that number of
sub-super operant’s but not all sub-super operants
end up being super operants in their next life. In
fact a lot of sub-super operants, especially the
more tweaky ones, have been sub-super operants
before and a few of them have actually been super
operants that have imploded on themselves. See
it’s very hard to become a super operant.
Russ: yeah I guess so.
Kiri: I had an incident, oh God it must have been
about 10 years ago where I had a super operant
young lady who absolutely desired me.......
Kiri: and I obliged.
Kiri: I had to oblige. I didn’t desire her.
Kiri: and unfortunately she imploded oh, probably
about a year, two years afterwards.
Russ: oh man.
Kiri: yeah. That was part of her mental problem,
the way that I looked at it was the fact that I
Russ: you had no…..but she’s a female and you’re a
Russ: therefore there’s no genetic need for her……
Kiri: it does not differentiate between male or
Russ: if she wants you she gets you.
Kiri: yeah. It does not differentiate, that would
be a sexual bias, that is not permissible in
Sirius society. Anything that is a sexual bias one
way or the other is totally unacceptable.
Russ: hmm, strange though.
Russ: poor girl.
Kiri: yes she just imploded and her doctors knew
and she knew and that was all the people that
Kiri: at the time I was going in for a medical
checkup when I met her and she offered to buy me
dinner, so we went out to dinner and she got
drunk, I got a little buzzed and we went back to
her place and I said, "I'll put her to bed and
everything" and she goes, “I want you, come.” She
was pretty good as well.
Kiri: she didn’t have any children, she had one of
a rare defect of that she was totally sterile.
Russ: did you have any......your past lives yet?
Russ: so could you see a past life that you had
Kiri: no, for her it was a one night thing and
apparently she was going through people like
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: male, female, she didn’t care.
Russ: so she knew she was going to implode.
Kiri: uh-huh, she knew she was going to implode
and she was just enjoying it until she reached the
other side before the implosion where she goes
right over that there's no going back.
Kiri: yeah and then it’s kind of like a
manic-depressive, it just goes down and down and
down and they sequester them away and give them
medication and basically they just don’t want to
live anymore, it’s too much for them.
Kiri: but she was good, she made me.......she
brought me up to the peak of orgasm and held me
there and held me there and held me there until
she orgasmed, it was pretty good actually.
Russ: so you enjoyed it afterwards?
Kiri: I enjoyed it but it was not what I wanted.
Kiri: but I did learn something very important
Kiri: I learned how to link minds.
Russ: oh, that’s where you got that from.
Kiri: uh-huh, she taught me how to link minds,
that’s how she got me to spiral up so quickly to
make me cum.
Russ: well that’s handy then.
Kiri: oh yeah.
Russ: it has served you since then.
Kiri: uh-huh, it was sort of like the gift.
Kiri: she gave me a gift for it but it wasn’t her
intention to give me the gift.
Kiri: I mean she was so open which super operants
when they start that spiral do but some super
operants are that open anyway so it’s hard to say.
If a super operant is open, it’s hard to say that
they’re going to implode or not. A lot of super
operants are very private and a lot are also very
open. It’s quite common for super operants male or
female to be totally bisexual.
Russ: uh-huh, they swing either way.
Kiri: they swing whatever we, they’ve experienced
it whatever way in their past lives.
Russ: well thank you Kiri, that was very
(Speaking to someone who had just returned.)
Kiri: clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean.
Russ: how’s Mark’s energy?
doing okay, he’s yellow lining but just.
Russ: so it’s got enough room for Huna?
Russ: okay good.
(Tia comes in to do a
transition between speakers but find she has to
stretch her time.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi love, oh hi Tia.
Tia: hi, hi. Okay I’m going to go and get some
refreshments for everybody, I will be back and I
will put Huna.......I will put Bunny on.
Russ: this is a rather long one yeah.
Tia: uh-huh. But in the meantime I’m going to
quickly cover whilst Bunny gets appropriately
Russ: you’re going to cover?
Tia: well I’m going to fill in, got any questions?
Russ: oh I see. Just kind of following up on
Kiri's stuff, how are you enjoying the way the
society runs? You’ve seen our society, you’ve seen
their society, you’ve seen your old society from
Tia: they seem a lot more stricter in some things
and a lot less stricter in others.
Tia: morally, they’re quite different in some
things. For example, on my planet it’s totally
taboo for two women, it’s totally taboo for two
Tia: doesn’t mean to say it doesn’t happen…..
Tia: but it is taboo. I knew a young lady that had
a secret lover and I always thought it was a guy.
Russ: oh really?
Tia: uh-huh. I astral traveled back a while ago….
Tia: and it’s another girl, really surprised me.
Tia: also the fact that she has a family now is a
little bit sad and the fact that I would’ve loved
to have been at her joining.
Tia: don’t agree with who she decided to join with
but looking at him he’s grown up.
Russ: well that’s good.
Russ: hmm, do the other Durondedunns travel back
there at all? Can they astral travel?
Tia: besides they're raising their own Cubs.
Russ: oh, so you go talk to them every once in a
Russ: good, so you tell him what you’ve seen
Tia: yeah and I sometimes will plug myself into a
neural scan and they’ll see pictures and hear
people talking and they love it.
Russ: oh excellent.
Russ: that’s nice of you.
Tia: uh-huh. Actually it’s very uncomfortable.
Russ: oh really?
Tia: yeah to do it.
Russ: well still, it’s nice you can do that.
Tia: because basically what happens is the needles
are inserted underneath the skin at the
weakest…..at the joints for the skull?
Russ: oohhh, that doesn’t sound like much fun.
Tia: no and it probes into the actual joints so
it’s as close to the brain is possible and they
normally give me medication that takes away the
pain whilst they’re doing it and it makes me feel
very nauseous. And they've tried all sorts of
combinations of drugs so that I’m not nauseous and
unfortunately some have made me worse and some
have been a little better. The one they’re using
is probably the best but we’re going to be next
week or next month when I do my next trip, they're
going to try a new one on me because they don’t
want me to be nauseous. I have thrown up a few
Russ: oh you have?
Russ: oohh, well that’s nice that you're doing
that for them though.
Russ: making them feel more at home let's say.
Tia: I also enjoy being able to plug it into the
computer and do a full holo with them so that’s my
Russ: oh okay cool.
Tia: okay, Bunny has her panties back on and her
bra and stockings back on, well she had her
stockings on anyway.
Russ: she didn’t have to go out of her way for my
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Russ: bye love.
(Bunny is the last speaker of
the night to channel.)
Russ: hi Bunny.
Bunny: you wanted to talk to me?
Russ: I did dear.
Russ: question on…..oh let’s see, making life seen
like more as a play.
Russ: actors and actors on a stage.
Bunny: I know what your question is and I can’t
answer it at the moment because you know why.
Russ: if I think about it I’m sure I do.
Bunny: uh-huh and I can’t elaborate.
Russ: no problem. How’s it going other than that?
Bunny: it’s going good.
Russ: enjoying your vacation time?
Bunny: yes, yes, I was. I got bored with waiting
so I kind of….
Russ: you didn’t have to get all dressed up for
Bunny: well Trish was being playful.
(One of the base engineers monitoring the
Russ: ahh, of course.
Bunny: so she took them off and I already have my
bra off anyway.
Russ: hmm, no worries. Anyway, good to see you
Bunny: umm I can explain now because Leah had to
go and use the bathroom…
Bunny: and Kiri is chuckling. Okay I’m going to
have to be quick because as soon as she realizes
that it was an implanted thought she will be
Bunny: and a little bit upset but I can deal with
the upsetness or Kiri says she will deal with it.
Bunny: the reason is as you have access to more
past lives through normal methods, you see more of
the picture of what is going on. I have access of
probably about 25 to 35% of my past lives.
Bunny: I have access to the one of you and I, I
have the access to several of the ones with Tia, I
have access to quite a number of me and my sister,
I have access to the ones with Mark and Kiri and
Karra, especially the ones with Karra, those are
the very enjoyable ones. The ones of Karra, some
are with you.
Russ: I assume this means Atlantis.
Bunny: hmmm, no.
Bunny: no, not one that I’m thinking of.
Bunny: put it this way………and Karra’s blushing, she
knows which one I pulled up because she was
thinking of it. I am or have been at one time the
father of both of you.
Russ: Karra and myself?
Bunny: Karra has been my wife at one time and I
have been the father of you.
Bunny: I don’t have access to my last past life, I
get glimpses of it…
Bunny: and I enjoyed it or I seem to have enjoyed
the glimpses that I’ve got. I was a guy.
Russ: so you're enjoying your life as a woman now.
Bunny: oh very much so.
Russ: I can imagine.
Russ: but your past lives then are giving you more
of an idea of what’s going on out there huh?
Bunny: uh-huh and……..good, Tia’s delayed her. From
where I’m sitting I can just see through the
bamboo, apparently the bamboo’s been thinned out a
little bit and...okay talking quickly, you said I
have access to my past lives, what’s the question
Russ: okay just basically seeing life as a play.
Bunny: yes, because I have access to my past lives
I can see things much more clearly. I can see more
of the interaction and how it relates to what’s
going on now. For example, Leah and her shyness,
that’s not only the fact that she is a sub-super
operant but also the fact of that she is very
insecure of her sexuality because she cannot
access her past lives.
Russ: okay what about Leah and Lyka?
Bunny: Leah and Lyka, don’t tell her, she was the
Russ: ahhh, okay I won’t.
Bunny: she was the one that intimated Lyka, Lyka
enjoyed it which angered Leah.
Bunny: that is why Lyka has such a strong sex
Russ: would they be settled up by just getting
Bunny: yes but in the reverse.
Bunny: Lyka has to dominate Leah, she has to do
what Leah did to her.
Russ: that’s going to be tricky.
Bunny: uh-huh and I’m going to take an extension
on my thing because I’m going to set it up that
Russ: okay good, because Leah
came to me asking me about what….
Russ: what some good advice.......
Bunny: she has to be totally…..
Bunny: not drunk, she has to be totally conscious.
Bunny: she cannot be incapacitated in any way.
Russ: Jesus, you've really got your hands full
Russ: okay, I look forward to hearing the updates
on this one.
Bunny: oh it’s going to be fun, I’m planning, I’m
planning but it has to be that Lyka does what Leah
did to her.
Russ: and then they’ll be fine?
Bunny: they’ll be fine. There is one catch……
Bunny: and it’s going to be a hard one and it’s an
impossible one at this time, Leah has to be gotten
pregnant by Lyka.
Russ: that’s going to be tricky, it’s not
Bunny: no it is very, very hard.
Russ: it’s very, very hard.
Bunny: uh-huh. There is one way I can think of
Russ: artificial insemination.
Bunny: uh-huh, that will finish everything. Now
once initial contact is made, those two are going
to have a long time of sexual activity until the
pregnancy occurs. Basically they will basically
move in together and they will be at it wherever
they can for the simple reason the way that I look
at it is that Leah will be put into the position
where Lyka is dominating her. Lyka will enjoy it
because of what she is and…..
Russ: Leah will come to be addicted to it almost.
Bunny: yes and she will become so submissive when
Lyka’s around that anybody can do her. The Ice
Princess………..but on the other hand, you see the
thing is with the way that people behave towards
Bunny: is part of the understanding of the greater
picture of why things are like a stage.
Russ: I see, okay. So Shakespeare had it right in
Russ: third dimensional earth writer who wrote
many plays where he said we are but players on the
stage who fret and strut our time, our hour and
Bunny: hmm yes, I think I understand what you
Russ: basically the same thing…..
Russ: it was originally put out so that people
understood him as it’s more philosophical when he
Russ: and I misquoted him very badly.
Bunny: uh-huh. Probably did, Kiri’s looking over
and going butcher, butcher. That’s a disgusting
thing, a butcher is probably one of the lowest of
(Very few people in their society eat meat.)
Russ: all right, well I admit I didn’t quite get
Russ: Mark would be probably better at it, you can
Russ: he’ll quote it word for word.
Bunny: in fact Mark's come wandering out with
helping Tia and talking to my little sister at the
moment......my big sister and okay…..….
Russ: well just ask him what it is, just tell him
I didn't butcher it so badly.
Bunny: that’s interesting.
Russ: I’ll take your word for it.
Bunny: no, Trish has got my big sis by the hand
and Mark and they’re going inside.
Bunny: okay, she listens, Trish listens.
Bunny: uh-huh, very intently.
Bunny: and I know what she’s doing.
Russ: yeah, she’s…….
Bunny: she’s satisfying an urge…..
Bunny: and dragging my sister along……..that’s
going to be entertaining because as she left asked
me on the I-mode how is she going to get the Ice
Princess to join in?
Bunny: she doesn’t know that the Ice Princess is
Russ: the Ice Princess.
Bunny: the Ice Princess.
Russ: right. Love it.
Russ: I’ll bet you miss this place sometimes.
Bunny: yes I do actually, my sister and myself, it
was a very, very loving past life.
Russ: oh I can tell.
Russ: I think that you were probably the man in
Bunny: no I wasn’t actually.
Russ: that’s almost surprising.
Russ: because she acts to you very submissively.
Bunny: uh-huh. She’s very, very loving.
Bunny: Leah is not as submissive as people think
Russ: well to you, she looks up to you like you
would not believe.
Bunny: no you’re wrong there, she doesn’t look up
Russ: really? Oh I don't know……
Bunny: she wishes that she had my outlook when it
comes to sexuality.
Russ: hmm, well whole your outlook on life is
awesome, it’s refreshing.
Bunny: uh-huh but Leah’s problem and Lyka’s
problem is the fact that Leah was very dominating
Bunny: almost to the point of aggression.
Russ: so but Lyka just feels the confusion.
Bunny: uh-huh because from what I can see and I
did share a past life, I was the fact that kept
them from going further than they did which
would’ve became dangerous.
Russ: oh, well good for you on your part dear.
Bunny: yeah I was to bit in the middle that
stopped them, I was the shoulder….
Bunny: I was the protector, the protector of both
of them actually from each other.
Bunny: I was the one that had both as it were.
Russ: well, I wish I had my past lives.
Russ: you know about.........
(The end results of Bunny's effort with Leah and
Lyka are revealed in a session from 2014 called
"States of Mind" where Leah
thanks her sister for her help.).
THE TAPE ENDS