Archivist Notes: Welcome again as we step back in time thirty-three years to 1993 when this latest channeling session from the members of Ashtar Command was recorded. Followers of the archives will note that this is the third month in a row where we have two sessions in one tape. We get started with Kiri who is acting as ring mistress for the session and now, at the time of the recording, I had been doing past life regressions and was thinking about a class on the subject. Our conversation goes over details of the class such as it be limited to three people over six weeks. It was very likely going to expand into topics beyond just past life regressions as well. In fact, there was a regression scheduled soon where I would regress Mark and wished to pass on that knowledge of how to do it to others. This would be the second time I had regressed Mark after the previous attempt that had Mark living at out his life in Atlantis and trying to attack me in real time because I had been his brother and we had been at odds. Omal had to step into Mark's mind to prevent the attack from being launched. With that in mind, I bring up the topic with Kiri and her advice was to make sure I had metal shielding at full strength while doing the regression. The next speaker is the head of communication for Ashtar Command named Korton so he was the best possible person to ask about some things on my mind. He assures me of their support in case of any problems after I lay out the details of what the class would entail over the six weeks. We do get confirmation that there are safeguards built into past life regressions such as a person's guides or higher self. Something else that gets confirmed is that past life regressions access the lives stored in the unconscious memory of a person. We are living libraries of lives that just need to be access for the lessons they hold. We end with setting up a time where we can have our metal shielding tested by him. The possibility of him doing so later was discussed before moving on to our ring mistress once again. Kiri takes up the question of childcare from me and how I can get better at being a parent. I had a similar request planned for Karra and between the two of them I would be getting an excellent education. She in fact has a lot to contribute and we spend most of the time with her gaining what tips she had to provide. At the final part of our talk, we go over my use of the holo-suite to take her son Alex hiking by saying for example, "re-create the mountains of Sirius third continent". We get an appearance by Omal for a short time before the tape runs out and learned that during the planned regression, that the Base would be protecting the area around the house. In our past experience, we usually knew that would mean shielding provided in some way. He also assures me that any excess energies would also be dealt with by the base. That's all we have time for before a brand new session begins with Kiri once more as the ring mistress and first speaker.

Side two gets going with Kiri answering a question about coercion and how to do it if you do not have eye contact. I had already seen how not having eye contact would always result in a failed attempt, so this was a chance to get an answer what to do in such a situation. What we do find out is that wording can have a big affect if it gets a person to turn their attention to you and establish that eye contact. She advises me that without eye contact, one would have to plant visualized words within a person's mind by amping up the needed wattage. That brings up the topic of whether coercion can come naturally or through training. She uses the analogy of skiing how someone can start off fast and aggressive but without style or finesse which comes later with training. We returned to how to coerce someone without eye contact and find we would have to summon the psychic energy that would have to replace eye contact with words that were said precisely and clearly. To explain better, we compare the energy used in metal shielding as separate but the same as would be used for the coercion. In fact, that same energy might be used in an offensive manner if threatened. With only one side of the tape to work with, we move on to Omal as the night's main speaker. He and I return to a topic we had engaged in previously regarding Mesoamerica and the Olmecs who preceded the Mayans and other groups. This all came about because of my recent research into Erich von Däniken's book "Chariots of the Gods", so the theories being discussed were based on science and conspiracy theories. One of those theories was that the Olmecs were of African descent because of the faces they carved. He points out that I am trying to get some information helpful before the coming regression and I agree that some background might be handy. What follows is an analogy of how powers back then were trying to maintain that power going to the future even after they were no longer in power. Much of what he discusses can be seen in today's headlines. We go over more conspiracy theories before we get to the important part of the discussion, the greater mysteries and earth energy. We get discussing various types of energy such as psychic energy, electro energy, and earth energy. He suggests against working with earth energy because it is so strong and powerful. That brings up the question of who has abused that power in the past. It turns out that he provides an excellent answer from the mass rallies in Nuremberg in 1938. He also confirms that the Romans did the same thing to maintain their dominance at which point he reminds us of what happened to both Hitler and the Romans and their empires. Once again we see a similar use of those energies in the headlines out of Washington DC. His suggestion is to let the energies play out until they burn out. We finish up on how groups wishing to protect their secrets use thought forms attached to elementals to ensure those secrets aren't revealed. All that's left is Karra who stops in for just a few minutes to give me her take on my work with a crystal that morning. Two sessions and once again a lot of great information for the archives of Ashtar command from everyone who participated.

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra                                     

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SIDE ONE


(Kiri is the channeling session's ring mistress)



Kiri: okay, come on, questions and answers.

Russ: okay. Okay, currently working on two items for us this evening. Number one is communication, number two is regressions.

Kiri: uh-huh. You still going to do that regression thingy tonight?

Russ: no, that will be next Tuesday I believe we have it scheduled for.

Kiri: oh, it was either tonight or Tuesday night.

Russ: right, well we offered him Tuesday due to the fact that we weren't even sure what the labor situation would be then.

Kiri: uh-huh. That's required at the moment according to Kornas but it looks like it's still going to be Monday night or Monday morning rather.

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh. Sunday night possibly, Monday morning or Monday night.

Russ: well that's good. Now then, first part working with communication.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. I am planning a class in regressions.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: and with that class will come basic knowledge on how to do regressions and such.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but with that also, will be coming some training in other areas besides regression.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: sort of as a sideline to go along with that, shielding, things like that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but there are some points where like coercion might come up.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and wondering how well that would work into the class as far as a need to know kind of basis?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: oh, by the way, is Karra here?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Kiri: oh well, I suppose we better get on with it. Okay, scalpel, let's bring it up for her.

Russ: okay, scalpel.....

Kiri: and.....

Russ: healing crystal.

Kiri: okay, let's get these warmed up.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: all right, let us continue.

Russ: all right, now, another point on that here is....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is coercion necessary for training and such things like that as far as if you're not teaching coercion, you're teaching something else? Is it good to add that in to help augment a person's knowledge?

Kiri: if they have a potential for it, certainly........

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but if don't, what's the point?

Russ: well for the fact that people sometimes don't know if they have the potential for something.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and sometimes a bit of practice as far as learning what something is will inspire someone to....

Kiri: but also a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Russ: hmmm, good point.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you've got to play the odds very carefully. For example, if you were to train, Ajohn?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: to train him in coercion would be very dangerous.

Russ: true. Hmm, okay, that's a good point.

Kiri: first of all, you have to find out if the person has a potential and then is it worth you getting them turned into a coerceer.

Russ: right. Well now...........

(Kiri hums a Star Wars theme)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. So it is something that's sort of like a Pandora's box kind of?

Kiri: yeah, it can be.

Russ: hmmm. Now, working with regressions.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now, if there is a point whereby something was to happen for example as happened last time........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: where Maxxus decided to lock eyes with me at one point.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: would it be wise at that point to try to possibly use coercion instead of getting myself zapped to somewhere off into another land?

Kiri: hmm, could be more harmful, more detrimental.

Russ: is that because he's got so much potential that......?

Kiri: uh-huh. You would try to coerce him right? And what would that constitute?

Russ: a regression back to the past?

Kiri: no, it would constitute a threat to him. So what would he do?

Russ: (?)

Kiri: or?

Russ: coerce back.

Kiri: uh-huh. Or even worse, he might zap you with psychokinesis or use his creative functions which, if you remember, to aport a small crystal must be pretty damn good.

Russ: hmmm, I see.

Kiri: so, if he starts to coerce you, what must you do?

Russ: shields up.

Kiri: uh-huh, of course.

Russ: okay, that could be very helpful.

Kiri: okay, continue.

Russ: oh, that's it. We can get onto other people. You know I never have much on coercion.

Kiri: okay. well, I suppose I better put on who's on next.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: now, who's on first?

Russ: Karra.

Kiri: no, I'm on first. Who's on second?

Russ: ahh, Karra.

Kiri: no, what's on second.

(Russ laughs)

Kiri: who's on first?

Russ: you are.

(Kiri sighs)

Kiri: Omal was telling me about that. Something that amused him at the time.

Russ: oh, all right love.

Kiri: okay, I'm out of here.

---

(Korton is the special guest speaker)



Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal. Korton right?

Korton: correct.

Russ: right.

Korton: proceed.

Russ: okay. Talking about communication and a class I'm thinking of starting up here I was mentioning to Kiri.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: I wanted to get your input on it if I could.

Korton: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: okay. What it is is a class on regressions.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and, for the purposes described, this will probably be the easiest type of class that would be an introduction into metaphysics.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: due to the fact that it has popular recognition, there is an interest in it that I found that a lot of people have and we will get people that have heard about it but have never even thought to discover such things.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: I was thinking of working with a class, a small class of just three.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and make it a six-week one hour course.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: or more if it runs over on Wednesdays.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and kind of working into just a basic training thing.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: whereby at the end of the class people would be able to go out and do a regression on someone if they wish to.

Korton: uh-huh, and this would be feasible for you?

Russ: yes, no problem at all.

Korton: and there wouldn't be any problems with your teaching?

Russ: well on Wednesdays I don't do any teaching actually.

Korton: uh-huh. There wouldn't be any problems with your judicial system?

Russ: oh, the laws?

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: no, because of the fact that it is a free class, there is no money involved.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: it's basically as a people who are serious about wanting to learn something about that.

Korton: okay, then I do not foresee any problems.

Russ: okay. What I want to do though is basically if possible get some input from you sometime about certain aspects if I run into problems or something.

Korton: certainly, that is what we are here for.

Russ: okay, good. So far the way I have this broken up in two is that week one would be like an introduction to what regressions are......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and discussing some of the problems that come about because what people go through seeing and doing.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and then week two would be a sample regression which I will take one of the students and do a regression on them.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: week three, let's say student one would regress student two. Week four, student two would regress student three. Week five, student three would regress student one.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and then week six, the best of the three would regress me.

Korton: okay.

Russ: so I think that would be a good kind of hands-on kind of thing and then if in the middle I'm sure things like pyramidology, metaphysics......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: other items might come up...

Korton: yes.

Russ: you never know.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: but it would be at least a start as far as communication goes.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and as far as teaching.

Korton: okay.

Russ: spreading some of this knowledge out....

Korton: yes.

Russ: which currently we're getting as much.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: spread out as I'd like and this would be a nice start. Because as you talked to before, it's like a pyramid affect.

Korton: correct. You start at the top and work your way down instead of building a pyramid where you start at the bottom and work your way up.

Russ: right. I figure at this way at least, that's three people leaving here....

Korton: that would possibly spread the information.

Russ: correct, right.

Korton: okay.

Russ: some of the things about this I have a few questions about though.

Korton: okay, proceed.

Russ: okay. First off, in the work that I'm doing on studying this, the manual I'm working with describes the fact that there are built in safeguards to regression.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm assuming this would mean, because they didn't clarify it, that the guides or the person's higher self would be the built-in safeguard.

Korton: uh-huh. Occasionally, the safeguards do get overridden with an adrenaline overload.

Russ: hmmm, okay.

Korton: but this is almost unheard of.

Russ: right, only in our cases.

Korton: that was a unusual regression.

Russ: that's true. Okay. Some of this would be like working with a person's inner source....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: what they would call God or....

Korton: yes, their inner self.

Russ: right......in which they would be getting information.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: now going back over this information from when I first learned it, I found a lot of things which I had forgotten in this, oh ten odd years since I worked on this, and I think it's going to help out a lot come next Tuesday when we do the regression with Mark.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and then Wednesday I'll be working on a regression with Jolene.

Korton: okay.

Russ: so I'll get some basic practice on what I learned at that point and so you'll be able to hopefully give me some pointers that Saturday the following week.....

Korton: okay.

Russ: and then I'll be ready to start the class after that. Okay, now some of the things that I found in this that I hadn't noticed before was the fact of new forms of meditation.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: one of which was the fact that in meditation, it mentions the fact that a person can go through and do the basic startup of a regression.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: number one the switches, then once you get through the switches, going from the foot to the head and looking for the center of your body.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and there you'll find an energy field at the center of your body....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and that that point you go into that and to the book, it basically says that from there you can take that and use the elevator to basically use it for astral projection, telepathy......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: healing diagnosis and sending and receiving data.

Korton: correct.

Russ: okay. Now this is something I hadn't noticed before. Is this due to the fact that you're basically opening up some extra areas that....?

Korton: correct, your opening up extra compartments of your brain which haven't been used for a little while or some considerable time depending on the individual.

Russ: okay. Now, for example, one thing it said was when you go up in the elevator, you can go up for like counseling.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: go up to a floor and get off and there's a counselor would be waiting there.

Korton: hmmm.

Russ: I'm not quite sure on that part.

Korton: it is more getting in contact with your inner self and reasoning what is going on.

Russ: I see. So it's not guides you're actually going to see?

Korton: hmmmm, yes and no. The guides will aid you in your self counseling.

Russ: hmmm, I see, okay. Now, is there a point there where you can go off and do your own regression at that point?

Korton: hmmmm, look at your own past lives?

Russ: right.

Korton: and yes there is, but it is handy to have a recording instrument handy so that you can review what you have learned. But of course if you are deciding on the spur of the moment to regress....

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: then how are you going to switch it on?

Russ: or, better yet, I mean how are you going to be able to speak into it? You're all by yourself....

Korton: correct.

Russ: in order to have a regression...

Korton: you haven't got somebody to lead you.

Russ: right. So you basically go into it blind. Are there any problems that might arise from this?

Korton: not unless something bad happens.

Russ: okay. Well, one thing I noticed is the fact that I had thought that regressions were a form of astral projection.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and apparently not. It's actually because you still have consciousness...

Korton: correct. It is looking at oneself.

Russ: right. So it's more like farsighting instead of astral projection. It would be....

Korton: hmmm, yes to a certain extent apart from you do not per se, leave your body.

Russ: right.

Korton: you do not view something from afar. You are only viewing past lives which are stored in your memory files.

Russ: oh, so you're actually going back into your memory.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: ohhhh, that's right. Now are these files within us, without us, around us.....

Korton: without giving too much away, they are within, without, they are there to be accessed.......

Russ: okay, hmmm.

Korton: depending on what you need to learn.

Russ: right, okay.

Korton: next question please.

Russ: I'm looking for one. One that I can put into good words here.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: okay..

Korton: let us be precise on our wording.

Russ: yes, I'm working on that. All right, now, another point on communication I wanted to bring up is the work on possibly a book.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: Mark is talking about putting together something...

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and I was thinking of putting together something and I thought maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle.

Korton: collaborate you mean.

Russ: right.

Korton: discuss this with the channeler.

Russ: okay.

Korton: it is not something I can decide for you.

Russ: okay.

Korton: it is up to you and we will aid you when necessary.......

Russ: okay.

Korton: and help you to put things in.

Russ: hmmm, okay. Now, should we be working on meta-concert again now?

Korton: yes.

Russ: okay.

Korton: but not this evening.

Russ: no, of course not. Now, also, a point I'd like to get into Carrie mentioned it, shield testing.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: think they'll be time this evening?

Korton: possibly, we will see.

Russ: okay.

Korton: okay, is that all?

Russ: that's it.

Korton: okay, thank you very much for your time and patience.......

Russ: oh, thank you.

Korton: have an enjoyable evening.

Russ: okay, and it's good talking to you gain Korton.

Korton: you're welcome.

---

(Kiri returns to take her turn talking)


Kiri: yes? What's on your face?

Russ: hmm, wasn't sure what was on your mind.

Kiri: oh, the usual stuff.

Russ: well Kiri, could you please assist me in something?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: childcare.

(Kiri giggles)

Kiri: yes, you need a lot of work on that, don't you?

Russ: well, who better to ask besides Karra?

Kiri: you should've........well Karra is going to be back.

Russ: right, I'll ask her also. In particular though....

Kiri: hmmm.

Russ: for entertainment purposes for young ones...

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: do you have any suggestions I might be able to use in the future?

Kiri: how about soft toys, building blocks. Get them to build things.

Russ: ohh, I like that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah, my child knowledge is......

Kiri: sing to them, bounce them up and down on your knee. Go, "hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity, hippity hoppity, hip...hip....hop....hop....or, "who's a clever boy?" Wheeee!!!!!, Who's a clever boy?" Wheeee!!!!! Instead of sit down, watch this.

(Russ laughs)

Kiri: be interactive.

Russ: well that's it, I've never been interactive with kids before. That's why want to learn all about them.....

Kiri: good.

Russ: from you guys. Who better to teach me, right? Except the mother of my son....

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: and the mother of Mark's son. Okay, now......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: should there be learning involved in here? Teaching.....

Kiri: there's always learning involved.

Russ: well, how do you know what to teach them, just anything?

Kiri: yeah, teach them anything. They learn from all sorts of things, all types of sensory inputs. Like, bouncing them up and down on the knee.

Russ: they learn from that?

Kiri: uh-huh. They learn that it is enjoyable and they like it.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: or, throwing them up in the air. Teaches them about....

Russ: gravity?

Kiri: correct. And also they enjoy it. Blowing funny noises on their stomach, that amuses them.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and they learn that if they behave themselves, it's something to look forward to.

Russ: what kind of treat can you give them?

Kiri: as long as it's not too detrimental to their health, almost anything.

Russ: so like maybe some Jell-O?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: Jell-O would work.

Kiri: there's always room for Jell-O.

Russ: and it's fun to play with too.

Kiri: if you insist.

Russ: see, I don't know about kids. I'm learning, I want to learn.

Kiri: okay, you will learn.

Russ: I want to get this stuff down.

Kiri: you've got to learn how to change diapers.

Russ: yes. I assume I want to learn all that fun stuff too.

Kiri: uh-huh. She's almost out of diapers. Well, nevermind. Well, Alex isn't.

Russ: Alex isn't, good.

Kiri: so you can learn how to change his nappy.

Russ: actually, I wouldn't mind that. I mean, it's a good start because I'm going to have to do this with my kids.

Kiri: uh-huh. I can help and feed them some....

Russ: oh no, come on, will bring the worst.....

Kiri: chili.

(Russ bursts out laughing)

Kiri: various legumes. Highly methane production capacity.

Verse: yeah, well you're the one who has to live with him after I get through.

Kiri: I know. I wouldn't inflict on you anything that I wouldn't inflict on myself. Why do you think I never use a whip on you or Mark come to that?

Russ: okay.....

Kiri: okay.

Russ: so encouragement, learning.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: rewards......

Kiri: yeah. Fun.

Russ: fun.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: if they do something bad, how do you deal with it?

Kiri: just tell them that they're bad. Say, "naughty, don't do that" and put the tone in your voice.

Russ: hmm. A little practice in coercion.

Kiri: against Alex?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: you can try.

Russ: well, he's getting pretty good, huh?

Kiri: hmmm.

Russ: blocking it?

Kiri: no, he's getting strong willed.

Russ: well, look who his mom is.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, so I'll learn all that fun stuff......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll figure it out.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean heck, I was a small kid once myself. How tough can it be?

Kiri: remember what you used to do when you were young.

Russ: I played a lot of hide and seek.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: climbed a lot of trees. Used to scare the hell out of my mom.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I've matured with age.

Kiri: you have, have you?

Russ: isn't it obvious?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: except when Korton talks to me I feel like Alex.

Kiri: yeah, you think so, huh?

Russ: yeah, yeah, yeah.

 Kiri: uh-huh. Retreating are we not? Uh-huh.

Russ: well, to fight again another day.

Kiri: you need to work on your shielding, don't you?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Got ya, when you least expected it.

Russ: yeah. Well I can't get them up that fast and then what I'm dealing with it, it's tough to get them up.

Kiri: okay. You want to continue?

Russ: yeah, one more thing.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: can I use computer projections?

Kiri: yes, but not frivolous.....

Russ: no, no, no.

Kiri: entertainment that would rot their brains.

Russ: I mean like a setting.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: to work on a holograph....

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: of kind of, well not playground, but a place to be amused by.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so, how do you build that into the computer?

Kiri: hmmm....

Russ: set up each detail as you go?

Kiri: yeah. You take a geographical area and say for example, "re-create the mountains of Sirius third continent". And then just strap on the backpack and take Alex hiking.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: and pointing out birds and trees and beautiful vistas and little creatures and mammals and felines.

Russ: it would be as much of an experience for me as it would be for him.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay.

Russ: all right, thank you very much Kiri. I'll improve.

Kiri: okay.

Bus: okay.

Kiri: do I have that in writing?

Russ: yeah, sure.

Kiri: and do I have a promise behind it?

(Russ writes out the promise)

Russ: I promise. I will improve. Okay, all written down.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: am I good or am I not good?

Russ: you are good. Your son is a very serious individual, I intend to treat him as such.

Kiri: me, miss frivolous a year and a half ago, me, mischievous, me, playful? Now I'm sensible.

Russ: that's true.

Kiri: because I my son to protect.

Russ: sure.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you have to realize though, for me growing up, some of my happiest moments were idle fantasies that in which I could......

Kiri: when Alex is older I'll let him do it, but at the moment he's only little. He's nine and a half months old, no, ten months old.

Russ: right, so how much is he going to retain anyway?

Kiri: exactly. So I want him to have a good, happy environment.

Russ: okay, it's agreed and a deal and I'll get your approval.

Kiri: okay, right.

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay, I suppose I better handover to the next person.

Russ: oh, okay.

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(Omal gets us to the end of the side)



Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: hi Omal.

Omal: yes, we got it wrong to start off with, didn't we?

Russ: I don't know if I'll ever get it right at this point.

Omal: no. Okay, let us proceed.

Russ: alrighty, as we were talking about......we're looking at regressions.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. For next Tuesday.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: do we have any more updates about schedules or plans...?

Omal: we will have this area protected.

Russ: okay.

Omal: when do you wish to be starting?

Russ: I would say between probably 11 o'clock.

Omal: between 11 o'clock?

Russ: and 11:01.

Omal: okay, because it is necessary for you to be precise so that we can have the appropriate equipment ready.

Russ: okay, let's set it up for 11 o'clock.

Omal: okay.

Russ: we'll set it to that number.

Omal: precisely.

Russ: precisely.

Omal: okay.

Russ: so I'll start him off a little bit earlier then before eleven....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or right after eleven?

Omal: hmm, a little before. Prep him up so that we can get ready. You will be doing a channeling session I believe beforehand?

Russ: well, that's what I wasn't sure about.

Omal: uh-huh. Yes, it might be useful to burn some of his excess energy off.

Russ: oh, okay.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so work on a channeling session first.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so we'll start the channeling session around ten.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then take a break and then go into the regression.

Omal: correct. How was your tape situation at present?

Russ: it's down to zip O rio coming up in another two minutes.

Omal: okay. Right. Okay, let us continue.

Russ: okay, now, with the regression that we're going to be working on......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: do we have a designated place or are we playing this one......

Omal: we will play it as it happens. We will, as we said, try to influence matters so that it is pushed to a certain area.

Russ: okay, so I will not include any destinations in my preparedness for it.

Omal: that is up to you.

Russ: well I did last time.

Omal: uh-huh. Then again it might be necessary that you use that.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay?

Russ: I'll work on that.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: all right. Okay, now, setting up the shielding, I'll be inside the pyramid for this.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and it will just be me and Mark.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: keep the spherical crystal out for this?

Omal: uh-huh, yes and the felines might be advisable.

Russ: okay, good. With the extra type of energies that will be going through here......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: would it be necessary to have them channeled off to anyplace?

Omal: we will take care of that.

Russ: okay, excellent, thank you. That was my only worries I had for that.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now, any incidents going on at Hades Base right now that....

Omal: you know we can't discuss that kind of incident.

Russ: oh, that's right. Okay........

            
SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(A new session gets underway with Kiri as the first speaker)



Russ: okay. And how are we this evening?

Kiri: we are fine.

Russ: good, good to hear.

Kiri: uh-huh. Everybody else is fine, as you know.

Russ: uh-huh. The babies are doing well I can see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: very happy about the whole matter. Congratulations also to everyone up there.

Kiri: oh.

Russ: and how does Alex like.....?

Kiri: yes, Alex doesn't mind in the slightest. He's not jealous.

Russ: well, that's good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is he curious about where they came from?

Kiri: no.

Russ: no?

Kiri: no. He's just......you know......hard to explain children at that age. But remember, he's only nine months old.

Russ: but being up there, I figured he'd have a little more advanced knowledge on such things compared to someone down here. So I'm not sure if I should judge him as more third dimensional children's stage or fifth dimensional children's stage which would be a bit higher I would imagine.

Kiri: it depends on how you look at things. Alex is definitely way ahead in most things but in other things he's behind.

Russ: well I think in practical knowledge he'd be way ahead.

Kiri: define practical knowledge.

Russ: well, knowledge of what's going on around you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean even at that age, he would be taking in sensory input a hundred percent of the time except when he's sleeping.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and so he's gathering and learning at a higher degree than someone down here so he probably would be like the equivalent of like a two-year-old.

Kiri: does a two-year-old wonder where he came from?

Russ: I did. I was precocious though.

Kiri: yes, you still are.

(Russ laughs)

Kiri: you asked for that one.

Russ: I did, I did.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, let us get down to business.

Russ: all right dear.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, since we're discussing coercion......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: or are about to, and we've only got one side of the tape work with...

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we'll go quick.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right. And in the first place, checking on wording with coercion.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we've discussed this before but not in any depth........

Kiri: okay.

Russ: or length. I'd like to do a little bit more of that if possible.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right, the situation is someone who is near you you wish to coerce but cannot acquire eye contact........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but they are listening to you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, the buildup of your phrases could be as effective or half effective with or without eye contact?

Kiri: as effective because by phrasing things correctly you can get the person to look at you and that's when the effectiveness takes place.

Russ: I see. So it's more like a wording to the effect to gain someone's attention....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and then using coercion to impress that point further.

Kiri: yes. But sometimes it doesn't work especially when you're dealing with somebody that is a better coercer.

Russ: okay, good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: let's discuss those aspects then.

Kiri: all right. Did you say something about don't try to coerce me?

Russ: something like that that's not what I'm talking about.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm thinking like maybe a blind person or something. Now, where you're relying strictly on words......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and their effectiveness, now how would you achieve that same effectiveness without eye contact.

Kiri: hmmm, is more of an override at that point. It is more visualization of the words and planting the words into their mind even though you can't have eye contact. You have to amp up wattage and implant the idea.

Russ: all right. Now, would you say that some people don't need training in such a thing, that it might come naturally?

Kiri: actually yes, but control and understanding the function and the reason why and the reason how to. Take for example skiing.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: somebody may be a natural skier that's fast, aggressive but has no style or finesse. Like somebody we all know, don't we?

Russ: who, Mark?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: he's fast, he's aggressive, he's got a natural talent for it, but does he have style? Nooo.

Russ: he might argue with you about that point.

Kiri: does he have finesse? Noo.

Russ: definitely argue with you about that point. But okay, taking that for the same......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you can acquire these things.

Kiri: yes, you can.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: by practice, knowledge, understanding, listening, learning and finding out how to coerce.

Russ: well let's try with the same example with skiing now. How would Mark acquire style and finesse using those same principles?

Kiri: uh-huh, by going to classes, learning how to ski with finesse.

Russ: instead of just raw knowledge.

Kiri: uh-huh, and learning as you go because sometimes you pick up some bad habits, do you not, in both coercion and skiing?

Russ: true, true, okay. Now, with a use of coercion.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: without sight or eye contact, is there a way that you can use an astral form of that to accomplish your needs. An astral eyesight that would travel and.......

Kiri: no, not really.

Russ: okay. So you couldn't project a beam that would say curve around and kind of hit him in the eye?

Kiri: no. You have to have eye contact or you have to be quite powerful to do it with your voice.

Russ: okay. Now, working with your voice......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: let's say someone has got power...

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And they have a natural streak of being able to use their words to effectiveness.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we have in effect of what Mark has the skier, he skis fast but not finessed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? How would that person with power gain the finesse through reading and such?

Kiri: through reading and practice and focusing and being very precise and specific on what type of coercion wishes to be used.

Russ: okay. So let's say we wish to use aggressive coercion.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: in a hostile situation......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and you've got to work on this quick......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but you don't have eye contact.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, what you would do then is try to establish eye contact......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but if you cannot eye contact, then your words would have to be augmented by the power.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: you have to summon up the energy....

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. And then word everything very precisely and crisply and clearly so that each word registers.

Russ: okay. Now, in summoning the power, would this be similar to say summoning up the energy you would use with your shields?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: okay. Would these be an extension of those shields?

Kiri: hmm, no.

Russ: okay, so they're separate from your shields.

Kiri: uh-huh. Each function has its own individual use.

Russ: okay, but the same energy used in your shields....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so, once you've erected your shields.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you would then go ahead and draw on that same power used to create the shields and fire the coercive thought or words to the person....

Kiri: correct.

Russ: through the shields.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it is a little bit like electricity, what can you use it for?

Russ: you can use it to light up a lightbulb or shock someone.

Kiri: or, use it to heat, use it to cook, use it to create a spark so that you can use it to create heat. You can use it to receive information through a radio or to send a message. You can use it to work a magnet, you can use it for lots of things.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and the energy that you use for your shields or any other function is very similar. It is not electricity, it is a psychic energy, but it's function is very similar. You can use it for many different things.

Russ: and you can use various wattages of that same energy.......

Kiri: correct.

Russ: to create different effects.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: okay, now, the most powerful setting let's say.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you could form it into any shape you want.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: so using your imagination could be more let's say a lightning bolt, laser beam, whatever you want essentially.

Kiri: it you were using the manifestation capability.

Russ: ohhh, okay. So you're keying that in with manifestation then.

Kiri: that's right. As I said just now, each function is separate and different but yet it has a common energy source.

Russ: uh-huh. Okay, so it's coercion manifestation you might say.

Kiri: no, it's not coercion manifestation.

Russ: it's one or the other.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: I see. Why is it I get into subjects I want to spend all my time but don't have the time to? And then when I have all the time in the world I can't think of a single thing. It's most frustrating.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well, I'll take what I've got now and work with it......

Kiri: okay.

Russ: I could go on for the next hour or two on it but since we don't have an hour or two.......

Kiri: better keep an eye on the chronometer.

Russ: I am watching that, that's why we have to move on.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right. Thank you my dear, we'll talk later.

Kiri: oh my my, are we trying to get rid of me?

Russ: well no, but knowing the shortage of time involved.

Kiri: okay Russ, I did bring up the subject so I better head over to the next person.

Russ: okay.

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(Omal is this night's main speaker)



Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal. How is everything going this evening?

Omal: everything is functioning well. And yourself?

Russ: functioning as fine as always.

Omal: good, good, good. Let us proceed.

Russ: okay. Now then, due to our lack of time, we're going to just be skipping over things that I've come across lately.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right. Now, real quickly going back upon the history aspect of what we were talking about last time where we left off at the Mayans I believe. Or no, before that, the megalithic era of Mesoamerica.

Omal: correct.

Russ: correct. All right, going back over my notes and some more further research I've done, I've noticed a few things that connect up that I want to bring up.

Omal: uh-huh, proceed.

Russ: first off, as you were talking last time about the Olmecs...

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: who were predecessors to of course a few other groups in the area. What I see now is that they were originally from Africa due to the stone idols that they made resembled those folks from an African lineage.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and looking back farther on this I see why that is.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that is because a certain person from Egypt, mainly a person called Thoth who was one of the sons of Enki......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: who was exiled from Egypt by his brother Marduke or Ra who then arrived in Mesoamerica and started building the circular observatories that we find in the sacred Valley of the Mayans.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. His followers at the time were African descendent....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: mainly because of their link with their geneticist fathers....

Omal: we're getting into a very tricky field there.

Russ: oh, okay.

Omal: no, not tricky as in.....

Russ: gray?

Omal: gray, but tricky as in a matter of semantics and engineering which would be difficult to explain without getting extremely technical and losing you somewhere along the line.

Russ: and we don't have time for that.

Omal: right.

Russ: okay, but we see now in fact the same Thoth that I mentioned....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is also been associated as being the God Quetzalcoatl......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: who I accused you at one time.

Omal: yes.

Russ: well that was just for fun, I didn't think you really were, I was just joking but the plumed serpent which is the sign for Quetzalcoatl, coincidentally also happens to be the same sign as the God Thoth.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which also happens to be the same sign for his father Enki who I described as a family crest you might say.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we see this in Egypt completely dominating some of the pyramidal writings at the time and also then again we see this in Mesoamerica.

Omal: let's get the name of the writing correct. It's not pyramidal writing.

Russ: hieroglyphic?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, at this point, we're starting to see how a lot of what was happening in Egypt....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: became also prevalent in Mesoamerica.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but at the same time, it looks as though disputes and stuff that are signaling what has been going on for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: fraternal.......

Omal: in other words, what you are trying to do is get a jump on what you suspect will happen this evening.

Russ: I'm trying to get a clue on some of this stuff, right.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: well, I don't know if I'm going to get a jump on it due to the fact that a lot of the stuff here we're talking about wouldn't come up in such a thing.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: because the principal players I assume would not be involved in what I'm talking about now.

Omal: possibly.

Russ: okay. Now, the possibly is the part that I want to get into now....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is the fact of the matter I don't have my research down yet far enough to where I can say for sure that the principal players aren't involved.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but, with the mining of gold that we discussed last week.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you see where at least those same interests are still involved if not the principal players.

Omal: hmmm, the patterns were established beforehand and therefore they continued.

Russ: right. Kind of like a decree was set about and then it was completed later on.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Omal: it is a little bit like your political situation. An individual tries to formulate a plan that he wishes to be put into place and knowing full well that he would not be the leader of that nation would still try to have it in place even when he is out of the seat of power.

Russ: with his legacy carrying on in other words.

Omal: yes.

Russ: yes.

Omal: either to benefit or to plague a nation.

Russ: well this isn't a new thing.

Omal: no, it is not a new thing.

Russ: okay. If I could digress real quickly for second....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm trying to establish some other links somewhere else. On Hades Base, you have the Council of Twelve.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is there another Council separate from that twelve of just seven people? Say five wouldn't be included in on it? That would like make up like major decisions and such?

Omal: hmmm, sorry, we can't answer that.

Russ: I didn't think you could. I was hoping though only because I see this repeated in history and I'm trying to find out.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: if there are still links here. Okay. Now, going on real quickly, we see where the gods at the time, the extraterrestrials were visiting earth......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: were in command of some what are called awesome weapons and it looks as though they were stored in the great pyramid.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: at least a few of them were because we find where the other brother to Thoth had hidden out in the pyramids to escape the wrath of a wife of a dead brother of his who he had accidentally had killed. At the time she was beating on the pyramid wanting to get at him and he threatened her at that time that he would use awesome weapons upon her of which the effects would be cataclysmic.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the Council at that time of the extraterrestrials decided to avert another great war to have him hermetically sealed inside of the pyramid.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we discussed this before where his sentence was commuted and he went off to create more havoc elsewhere.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but what I don't understand here is apparently those same weapons then were still left in the pyramid but then were later used later on.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: why not when he threatened to use the them, get rid of the weapons as you say? I mean this is just hypothetical on your case, I'm just theorizing but I mean if you're in charge of this guy and he's threatening to use these weapons, they kick him out of the pyramid, he doesn't take them with him, why not dump the weapons or get rid of them or put them somewhere safer? Instead we find them getting used later on.

Omal: again, sorry, we can't help you with that at present.

Russ: who else is coming in tonight by the way?

Omal: there is Karra here, Korton is here but he has some of his own work to do. Depending on how long this takes depends on how long Korton has.

Russ: okay. Well in that case, we'll just work on this other stuff here. Let me switch gears completely here since I'm at a dead end. Ritual meta-concert.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, these are the various.....

Omal: religious practices such as your Lord's prayer?

Russ: yeah, right.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, that of course would be the....

Omal: more well-known version.

Russ: well-known version plus the lesser of the effects......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that would be demonstrated. Because what I'm talking about is the real heavy duty greater mysteries type of meta-concerts....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now, in various groups points where you get into the greater mysteries and starting to work with meta-concert. The leaders, it is reported, are psychically in touch with certain forces.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now, the question I have is are these forces like a channeling like we're doing here or are they forces as far as energies?

Omal: energies.

Russ: okay. Now, with these forces then, are these forces then like electromagnetic in nature you would say or are they the same forces like Kiri and I were talking about?

Omal: the same forces as you and Kiri were talking about. Depending on what function is being used, depends on what sort of energy is been tapped into. And there is mainly pure psychic energy which is the most commonly used and the electro energy is so seldom used that it is not even worth mentioning.

Russ: okay. Now the psychic energy that is being used is the same that we're using when we're working with secondary and primary energies, correct?

Omal: right.

Russ: okay. So in other words, you're drawing upon the psychic forces of yourself.....

Omal: right.

Russ: and the energies around you will work in the secondary mode.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, where are the forces from the psychic energy coming from when you're working in the secondary mode?

Omal: they're coming from yourself and other people around you.

Russ: okay. Now, if you're in a secondary mode, we talked about how you're drawing energy from around you. So like me being in the secondary mode let's say and there's just the two. I could draw it like we were talking about from the crystals and such.

Omal: correct. Crystals, felines, plants and so on.

Russ: okay. And this is made up of thought form energy in a way?

Omal: hmm, it's made out of psychic energy. Thought form is psychic energy.

Russ: okay, so to get a definition then, this would be the life force?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. And so the planet being a life force.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is also a source of that psychic energy.

Omal: yes. But the energy from the planet is so strong and powerful that we don't recommend you using it.

Russ: okay. Now that's a good question to bring up then because that's what I've been tapping into now when I've been working on energy up there. I'm tapping on the planet of Mars.

Omal: which doesn't have that much because it is a dead planet.

Russ: okay. Now, where in history have groups such as we're talking about used earth energy to its extreme point?

Omal: to its extreme point? Do you wish recent history? Hmm.....

Russ: let's go with recent history. That will give me something I can at least think on...

Omal: okay.

Russ: or have knowledge of.

Omal: we will give you a great example of earth energy being used.

Russ: great.

Omal: 1938, there was a mass rally in a small town in Germany called Nuremberg.

Russ: ohhh.

Omal: there is a prime example of earth energy being used.

Russ: okay.

Omal: and what happened to the earth energy?

Russ: good question. I suppose it was channeled toward Hitler.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: what did he do with it? Throw it back to the crowd?

Omal: yes, coerce them to believe him, his charisma as they called it. But eventually, by using that mass energy, what happened to his empire?

Russ: crumbled.

Omal: went up in flames.

Russ: why would it backfire?

Omal: because it fed back on itself. There was so much energy that he could no longer hold it. It corrupted him and warped his sanity and therefore was returned back to the planet in a blaze of fire.

Russ: okay. Now how was it he was able to tap into the group energy?

Omal: he wasn't aware that he had.

Russ: oh. It was accidental?

Omal: yes. But by using the correct means of focusing the minds to pull in all energy around, he was able to receive that energy from those minds directed at him.

Russ: let me take a wild guess here and see if I'm right. He inspired in the German people at the rally a love of their land and their country and the need to protect it. And the thoughts of the people dwelling upon that drew up that energy.

Omal: hmmm, close but not close enough and we will not go into it into too great a detail.

Russ: okay.

Omal: for obvious reasons.

Russ: because it could be used again.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, looking at that example, would it be an assumption on my part that might be correct that the Romans used the same thing.

Omal: yes, the Romans did use the same thing and what happened to their empire?

Russ: so, we go to the big, big question....

Omal: hmm.

Russ: Atlantis and Lemuria.

Omal: sorry, we can't get into that.

Russ: okay. But those answers pretty much answer themselves so there's not really a need to get into that anyway. Now then, is it a good idea then to look for current examples of that happening?

Omal: yes, it is.

Russ: okay.

Omal: but what can you do to stop it?

Russ: well that's it. I mean, if you're working with psychic energy.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the only way to stop that would be to supposedly go on using that same energy but in reverse.

Omal: there would be a considerable amount of risk to the individual that would insert himself in that to feed it back. In fact, the risk would be extremely high.

Russ: okay. Well then, you would let it run its course?

Omal: that is the only thing that you can do until you learn to use its full potential to feed it back.

Russ: yes, but who would be a good enough example in history where that's happened? You know that's gonna be very bad.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and you don't want that to happen but you have no choice in the matter.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: sucks.

Omal: the thing to do is to stop it even before it has a chance to form.

Russ: okay. Let's take for example then if we could, Palos Verdes.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. There, where we have a great deal of earth energy being sapped right now......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in the middle of a geologic rift.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and knowing that at any time that energy could be put to use and feed back on itself and create what could be a massive disaster.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we can just stand by and watch.

Omal: yes, there is nothing that you can do. If you were to insert yourself into it to prevent it, all's they'd have to do is say bye.

Russ: yeah, okay. I wouldn't attempt it anyway due to the lack of knowledge.

Omal: no.

Russ: so the best thing to do was to get as far away from it as possible.

Omal: hmmm, yes.

Russ: okay. How about Mark's hearing, what's wrong with that?

Omal: it is always sensitive. It appears that the nicotine has a dampening effect on the sensitivity.

Russ: oh.....

Omal: the kind more like it is a dampening effect on various physical functions such as hearing.

Russ: so actually it's got a good benefit to it.

Omal: is it?

Russ: well, I see a good and bad in all.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, we're down to our four minute mark so we'll go with one more question.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay. These same groups that we're talking about who are sapping into the earth energy.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: normally in the initiation process of these groups, they are surrounded by a collections of thought forms.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: namely powerful ones that have been built up over the years.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the person being initiated is generally associated then or tagged with one of these thought forms.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in which case if he reveals the secrets of this order, the thought form will follow him and hunt him down and deal with him as it should.

Omal: it is a primitive way of wording that but yes.

Russ: okay. Now, that's because these thought forms we discussed before are semi-sentient. A, I believe that we mentioned, elemental attaches itself to the thought form.....

Omal: we said it can.

Russ: well, that's sort of an affirmative.

Omal: it depends on many different factors.

Russ: okay. Well, for example, one man who grew up with the order and was ready to start working with greater mysteries on his own, was all prepared to work with it, went to the beach and had a heart attack. Died before he even could get a chance to do so.

Omal: hmm, there are many factors concerning that sort of event.

Russ: okay, well, that's it then. Well, there's no way to break free of those thought forms once they were to do so then?

Omal: it depends on the meta-concert.

Russ: oh, so it would be a meta-concert that would power those thought forms once they have been put into place.

Omal: hmmmm, most of the time, yes. There are certain exceptions to the rules.

Russ: okay. In other words, the way I'm seeing it is, it's sort of like a dog that you have on a leash and you wish to send it out, you go "sic em" and he goes out and does the deed. Literally in other words.

Omal: if that is the way that you see it then yes, but it is not always the case.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay.

Russ: that's it then. Have a wonderful time. Thank you for what we did go over anyway. I mean, there is stuff there I can work with and get back to you on.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: see you in a while.

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(Kiri transitions to her older sister)


Russ: any things about the regression I should know about before we get into it?

Kiri: no idea. Oh well, I'll hand over to the last person who wants to say a few things.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: great.

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(Karra is the final speaker for only a bit)



Karra: hey Beanpole.

Russ: hi darling, how's it going?

Karra: I'm excellent, excellent.

Russ: all right, I'm glad to hear that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: Mark by the way says a great big, big, big thank you. Another one from me of course.

Karra: just doing my job.

Russ: well, it's a great job you do.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: how was the crystal this morning? Am I getting better at it?

Karra: slowly, but we've got plenty of time, no need to hurry.

Russ: well, you know me, I want to get as much in as I can.

Karra: we've got plenty of time.

Russ: I want to do any last-minute trying to perfect this thing.

Karra: no, you won't be........ I hope. On that happy, cheerful note.........

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: we better go.

Russ: okay, bye love.

Karra: is that beeping sound?

Russ: that was be the 11 o'clock beeping sound, yes.

Karra: we're running late.

Russ: okay.

Karra: bye.

Russ: bye love.

Karra: we're out of here.

Russ: okay.


 
THE TAPE ENDS