The Earth First, the World Second- Channeled (4/20/99)

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Archivist Notes: Happy New Year and welcome to 2018. This month the podcast being added to the archives was recorded on a historic date that was famous for all the wrong reasons. On this day two killers walked into Columbine High School and the world lost a bit more of its innocence. By the time the channeling session started details were not yet complete and it would be another day before the full scope of the horror would be revealed. The session was a good one regardless of the day's events and it provided the basis for the reasoning for such an act to be discussed from a higher dimensional perspective. The channeling also gave us the opportunity to revisit a topic Lyka brought up in December's podcast from a session that took place eight months prior. In it the concept of identifying as an occupant of the world you call home first and a member of the country you acknowledge you belong to second. Patriotism for a planet could save it so it wraps up the subject nicely. My bond mate ends things with a topic straight out of Woodstock on teaching the children well.

   Getting things going is Kiri who is handling ring mistress duties and instead of focusing on the tragedy in Colorado, gives us a quick lesson on love from her point of view. She gives us her insights on relationships as to her holding out for Mr. Right as an example of how that doesn't hold as a rule on the third dimension as much. That steers the conversation over to the goals one sets in life and how they are the tools of growth. As such, she warns of the problems that can occur when those tools are not utilized. Finally the subject turns to the school shooting and what reasons could there be to motivate such an attack. Her breakdown of the motivation focuses on the influences provided by the media and entertainment companies in their portrayal of violence and how it can numb the watcher to violent death coming so easy to both the good and bad in the world. She ends her time talking with a chat about her new responsibility she had taken on to occasionally report on happenings from the base. She next makes way for Omal who gets a question on Columbine right off the bat about what his opinions are on people who snap. He equates it to the negative side of the communication breakthroughs bringing down the morals from the images in the news and entertainment being indistinct from one another. Patriotism in relation to morals sets in motion a challenge Omal issues to us to convince one person that they are humans or earthlings first and Americans or whatever country it would be second. Ending on a related topic of the Constitution ensuring the rights of individuals gets some inadvertent chuckles from those in the channeling room on the base when the fifth amendment comes up as it would never fly there. We also go over the flaws of the UN as a governing world body.

   Side two is where Omal quickly ends up his topic so that Lyka could take her place to open up about the value of an oath. As an oath keeper of the Sirian Defense Force, certain commitments are required and it is those commitments we learn more about in our quest for knowledge on how it works with other world's efforts to ascend. At this session she was pregnant and restricted as what she could do so she was happy to discuss the how important oaths are and how they have lost much of their commitment when made on 3rd dimensional earth. Next we turn to her studies at school and learn that some of her studies have been of some our most famous generals and wars. She even gives us a retelling of a battle Rames the Second had where his bravery won the battle over the opposing force. We end things appropriately with the Battle of Little Bighorn and her quick summation of what went wrong and what went right. Karra is the last speaker for the night and uses the remaining recording space to present what could best be called a class on raising a child from an infant. How to help it learn almost all of the psychic skills so the child becomes comfortable with their use is the main subject covered though she breaks it up by starting with her field, healing. She then suggests meditation with the child for learning skills like manifestation and astral travel but then having them try some of the exercises she offers to increase their skills as they get older. She next goes over telepathy but she holds off on PK or coercion as not a good time yet for those but does lay out a future list of ages where the information will be separated into. We end things discussing the belief factor as being the hardest thing to impart to students and she reminds us of some of those who have come to channeling sessions but never came away with the belief in the actual physical changes taking place sometimes in the channeling room down here.

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


2.)(21:10)- Omal carries on with declining morals as an problem that needs to change and issues a challenge to convince someone that they are humans first and members of their countries second but that both are equal.


2.)(18:50)- Karra gives an excellent dissertation on raising children and how to train them in the psychic gifts from the age of an infant and up.

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(Kiri is the session's ring mistress and starts things off)

Skip: nice.

Kiri: honesty is very, very important, very important but there again by being too honest and truthful you can also cause harm. If you never told a lie even a white lie and always told the truth, for example letís say I wake up in the morning and I look like death warmed over and Iím wearing something that is a littleÖ..makes me look very silly and Mark says to me, ďoh that looks very nice hon.Ē not to hurt my feelings.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and I go out and everybodyís laughing and snickering at me not they would because I donít really care but then I would get upset because Iíd be made a fool of.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so sometimes telling white lies is acceptable to protect.

Skip: well hon, thatís being considerate.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: what I was discussing was a personís feelings changing towards another person.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: let them know, donít lie to them.

Kiri: yes true, that is admirable but also peopleís feelings change constantly. One moment you can absolutely detest somebody and the next moment you can absolutely adore somebody or a week later you adore somebody. Itís something that is at the moment.

Russ: thatís a good point Kiri, I hadnít thought of that but youíre quite correctÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I found that to be actually true in many of my relationships where they do something, hey give it a couple days and it's like right back on square one again.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: yeah but one of the most common things that Iíve noticed talking to quite a number of people that have been here about relationships is that a lot of people mistake lust for love, a lot of people and that in itself is a problem. Something that needs to be realized that love isnít something that happensÖ..(claps her hands) that even with twin souls or triple souls. I had very little feelings towards Mark or Tia, I felt complete and I knew that they were triple souls but it wasnít something that was sort of like Bam, this big revelation. Sort of like, ďokay theyíre my triple souls, big deal.Ē

Russ: is that because you guys deal with that situation a lot?

Kiri: uh-huh. But it is something that is a common misconception especially on the third dimension that itís this big, big revelation. Itís not, it really isnít, itís not a big deal at all. Being complete and whole is wonderful, itís a great feeling but there isnít always love between twin souls or triple souls or even quadruple souls, itís something that takes time and in taking time itís something that you have to learn to accept. A lot of people, again especially on the third dimension, act on their bodily instincts which can frequently be wrong. The act of following your instinct and following your heart thatís acting at the's like my grandmother said that having love for everything is great but using the mind to realize what is right, sometimes love can be very misleading and very dangerous, it can lead to destruction but by using your mind and analyzing a situation and realizing what is right and what is wrong and what should or should not be done and combining that with the feeling of love if everything works out how you want it to work. For example letís say looking for the perfect guy. I want blonde hair, blue eyes, six foot tall, muscular build, highly intelligent, psychically active in all five abilities, thatís saying what I want. And if Iím not prepared to lower my standards and I wait and look and search for that person and I find them finally, then Iím going to do my best to make sure it works because they meet all my criteria, I havenít lowered my standards so therefore I've decided what I want and thereís no point in lowering oneís standards. To lower oneís standards is accepting second, third, fourth or even fifth best. Who wants to accept third or fourth or fifth or second best, anybody?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: Iím just absorbing everything youíre saying.

Kiri: oh, well it was formed in a question as well, yes or no?

Skip: sorry about that.

Kiri: are you prepared to accept anything less than the best that you want?

Skip: well, what I want doesnít exist.

Kiri: how do you know? How do we know anything? I mean we could continue from where we left off last weekÖ.

(Skip starts laughing)

Kiri: but I think that might be flogging a dead dog.

Russ: yeah.

Skip: yeah, I think so.

Kiri: uh-huh but it is accepting what we want and not settling for anything less. To settle for less, does that give us happiness? Well?

Russ: yes as matter of fact, sometimes it does.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: settling for less?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: of total full happiness? Give me an example.

Russ: okay, I could do with at least $500,000 right now in my bank accountÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but until that happens, Iím perfectly happy with settling for what I have with me until that time comes.

Kiri: ahh, but youíre working towards it.

Russ: oh yes absolutely.

Kiri: okay so you havenít settled for it then, youíre working towards it.

Russ: yeah Iíve settled with it for the moment.

Kiri: nope, you havenít even settled for the moment because youíre working towards it. To settle for second best means that thatís as far as youíre going to go, youíre not. Is that correct?

Russ: thatís quite correct.

Kiri: so therefore you havenít settled for second best.

Russ: well how could we? Weíre third dimensional creatures, we're trying to get to the sixth dimension......

Kiri: that's correct.

Russ: that means weíll never stop going forÖ.

Kiri: no I'm talking about......

Russ: financially.

Kiri: no, the particular goals that you set in this incarnation.

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay, so by settling and setting the objective and working towards it, youíre not settling for second best you're working towards it.

Russ: right.

Kiri: uh-huh. Do you agree Skip?

Skip: yeah I guess so, yeah.

Russ: well now hereís a question for you. Were I to die tomorrowÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I would be working on my desire to work towards that $500,000 or whatever my goal happens to beÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: wouldn't that keep me behind as far as before I can move on to the nextÖ..

Kiri: not necessarily.

Russ: because Iím attached to it and I've got that attachment that's holding me back?

Kiri: not necessarily, not necessarily.

Skip: no, you may ofÖ..excuse me Iím sorry, go ahead.

Kiri: oh no no, you go ahead.

Skip: you may have learned what youíre supposed to learn nowÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: so you would go ahead and move ahead no matter whether you've still got things to accomplish in your 3-D mind or not.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: exactly what I was going to say but worded differently.

Russ: ahh, so I would see the futility of that $500,000.

Kiri: not necessarily.

Skip: no youíre still working towards it.

Kiri: uh-huh but it would just be a different objective. What would possibly happen is that all the events that you set in to action would end up amassing that amount after your departure and then your child would benefit. So therefore you would be detached from it and remote from it, it would be irrelevant at that point. Having learned all that youíre supposed to learn, itís your time to move on, itís your time.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: no ifs, ands or buts. So therefore any plans or anything that you have that are not relevant to your moving on are besides the point, they may or may not bear fruition.

Russ: up until now Iíve achieved most all my goals.

Kiri: you think so?

Russ: well the ones I set early in my life that I wanted to achieve by a certain time period. Now my goals have all been changing to make room for the new goals that I need to work on and those of course are more spiritual than they are physical.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: they constantly change, even if youíre not even spiritually aware, they still constantly change.

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but thatís part of the growth patterns, thatís all part of growing, all part of learning you see. To grow and advance is all part of the evolution of the being, constantly advancing, constantly growing, constantly struggling, even up to the last moment. Youíve got to continue that advancing, you cannot sit down and vegetate and sort of like, ďmy life is done, itís over, letís just sit in the chair and watch entertainment all day.Ē That achieves nothing. Even if you do that at a younger age, what does it do for you? You have no goals, no objectives, no ambitions to do anything, no wanting to do anything, whatís the point of that?

Russ: well I read something today that was about bacteria is the only form of culture some people have.

(that gets Kiri snickering)

Skip: amoeba.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah and this is trueÖ.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: this is very true. Some people never, never progress out of that state.

Kiri: yeah and as much as you try to coax them and push them and prod them and give them all the incentives and everything, thatís all that they ever will be because they've lacked A, the learning capability to learn the lessons and they repeat the same mistakes over and over again, ask the same questions over and over again just different ways, not even remembering that theyíve asked those questions or having the cognitive capability to be able to realize that theyíve asked those questions. To realize that theyíre asking the same question in in a different way. How many times can you ask the same question in different ways? Itís endless, endless possibilities like we were discussing last week, itís endless, infinite number of possibilities to ask one question.

Skip: yeah, itís the same thing lifetime after lifetime after lifetime.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, well this brings me to a point of a news item that came about today which I donít know if youíve heard it was not there was a school shooting out in ColoradoÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: a couple fellows came in and took out a lot of their schoolmates. Now you have to ask yourself and this goes of course into last weekís discussion on whatís the bloody point and you have to realize that there must be a reasonÖ.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and if we even canít see it, we can be shocked by the events and the acts that take place, perhaps thatís part of the reason? I think itís incomprehensible at this point to know what is the reason and where is this leading to.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay what is the emotional reaction to that event?

Russ: well itís a lot likeÖ..

Kiri: no, what was your emotional reaction to it?

Russ: oh, my emotional reaction to it?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: mostly shock.

Kiri: define shock.

Russ: shock of seeing something of this nature taking place. What's the......why? I think thatís a good one.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: the question comes up, why?

Kiri: yeah, Iím just asking for curiosityís sake, Tia is still working onÖ..poor Tia, thatís besides the point. Tia has a lot of work.

Skip: that is a good point, why? Why even consider such a thing?

Kiri: from what I see and Iím going to sound a little bit like Tia, itís part of the moral degradation of society, theyíre becoming more and more common that kind of incident. Not necessarily at educational facilities but that kind of relating, going in, shooting up a whole load of people and taking your own life, kind of like taking people with you. "I canít have it so nobody else will. Iíll make sure that X number of people suffer just as bad as I am.Ē Itís part of the breakdown, what is to stop that from happening? Well, as Tia might say, instilling strong moral virtues is very, very important.

Skip: getting back our moral standardsÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is one of the biggest things.

Kiri: yeah you can turn on your communicationÖÖyour entertainment devices and see horror and you get numb to it. You see it in your entertainment, you see it in your newsí, you see it portrayed as noble, you see it being portrayed right now going in and inflicting harm on people as being nobleÖÖ..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and then in the next breath you see it as being bad and wrong. One moment they're telling you about the bombing and the losses in Kosovo and then the next moment theyíre being shocked and stunned and horrified that people are killing other people at a schoolyard.

Russ: well is it the two events related as far as the kids who did this from seeing the events in Kosovo?

Skip: they were grown, they were grown men.

Russ: I thought they were students?

Skip: not according to the news report I seen.

Russ: really?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: but you see the problem is that one moment itís good and then the next moment it's bad. To take any life or destroy any property is bad regardless even if the cause is good itís still bad. There is no right to go in and to destroy somebody elseís property to enforce your will. Just because theyíre doing it to their own people doesnít make it right to come in and do it to them because theyíre doing it to their own people. And it isnít right to go in and shoot up a whole load of schoolchildren, you see what Iím saying?

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and sorry I do sound very much like Tia didnít I?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: two wrongs donít make a right.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: hmm, kind of a little similar to the Sirian Chronicles as far as the breakdown of society?

Kiri: probably the early stages, the early symptoms.

Russ: right.

Skip: our whole world is going that way.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and thatís what I asked last week if weíre headed for the same end as Atlantis between our moral standards and our technology and everything else, weíre going down the tube.

Kiri: I wouldn't say just Atlantis, I mean you can look at some of your more recent historical groups, the Romans, the Greeks, they had fantastic technologies for the time.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: the Incas.

Russ: the Egyptians.

Kiri: the Egyptians, the Persians.

Russ: the Mayans.

Kiri: the Mayans, you could sit thereÖÖ

Skip: what I was trying to get across, it isnít just one nation or one ethnic group, the whole worldís doing it.

Kiri: unfortunately this time it is.

Skip: and itís getting worse.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: isnít this a step necessary for our growth for somehow or another and thatís part of it?

Kiri: possibly, possibly, I mean we could sit here and discuss it until we're green in the face.

Skip: yeah right and it wonít change anything.

Kiri: maybe it will, maybe it wonít, who knows? But the thing is that yes, I am a theologist amongst being a coercer and an engineer, I do like to debate philosophy. As I get older I get more like my grandmother believe it or not.

Skip: I think we all do that donít we?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: even in the 3-D because I've gotten to the point where I donít let too many things bother me anymore.

Kiri: my grandmother, a lot does bother her but she has her work.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and she looks like a wrinkled prune right now.

Skip: oh well what the heck.

Kiri: hey Iím teasing.

Skip: thatís a badge of miles.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: sheís been through all three of her regenerations?

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, her eyesight's starting to go unfortunately as well.

Russ: well she doesnít need them that much around there.

Kiri: no, she knows her way around.

Russ: well and it's not confined to our species either......

Kiri: oh no.

Russ: or our world.

Kiri: nope, just ask Lyka.

Russ: absolutely.

Skip: well it scares the hell out of me I'll tell you the truth.

Kiri: well when you see it yourself it is different. I mean Iíve never seen any kind of hostility like that. Iíve seen mock hostility, Iíve seen Lyka and her soldiers having exercises, Iíve seen big exercises, Iíve seen small exercises and itís all fun. They get up afterwards, shake hands, throw snowballs at each other, throw mud pies at each other, whatever and itís for them it's part of their life, they've seen it I havenít. Quick question RussÖ

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: did you get my email?

Russ: which one? You sent one today?

Kiri: no the one "Freshest Full of fish?"

Russ: yeah I got that one.

Kiri: okay, thatís acceptable and usable?

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: okay, I edited very, very heavily and for obvious reasons. As I stated, the whole entire thing could be much, much longer. Even Leahís story was heavily, heavily edited, I took about six hours and condensed it down into about yea big. I think it was less than six hours.

Russ: it was perfect.

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: it was perfect.

Kiri: good, good. So you donít mind me doing the reporter on the spot thing?

Russ: no actually, thatís actually quite a good, cool bit.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: people enjoy to read more about stuff than I can tell them from just words I hear from you guys.

Kiri: uh-huh. So Iím officially the reporter on the spot?

Russ: oh yeah, I'd like to get some Hades Base stuff too.

Kiri: oh I was thinking of doing some gossip stuff.

Russ: that will work.

Kiri: but some of it canít be printed.

Russ: it good party last night, I suppose that's a good report.

Kiri: uh-huh, going to put that in. Oh well, we're eating time.

(Omal takes his normal spot in the order)

Omal: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings Skip, greetings Russ.

Skip: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, let us briefly go over Kiriís comments about the situations in Kosovo and in the suburb of Denver. Kiriís comments on which is correct, which is right and which is wrong is very correct. She is showing good aptitude that she is getting more serious about the discussions that you have in the channeling sessions. In fact two good weeks was almost a rare occurrence from Kiri but so far her last three discussions have been all very good, very deep and profound, maybe she is starting to mature. Okay, let us throw the floor open for discussion or do you wish me to pick a topic at random and we can flog it to death?

Russ: actually I have one question about Kiriís comments I wanted to get cleared up before I put it on the webpage. Where she mentioned talking to people who have been here, Iím not sure who she's referring to.

Omal: I believe that she was referring to people that had been present at channeling sessions.

Russ: ahh excellent.

Omal: such as Bethany, Carrie, Karen, Skip, Laura, Lara, I believe the list is actually quite large.

Russ: excellent, well Iíll make a editor's note on that, thank you.

Omal: okay, do we pick a topic or do we discuss things at random?

Russ: well one thing I wanted to work on a little bit was the shooting that did happen in the suburbs of Denver and the ability of people to snap. Whereas, as Kiri was saying, thereís a point where the moral base that people work from in the past has been stronger than it has been now apparentlyÖ..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and the ability to snap and just lose it all in a moment or even pre-plan it for days or a week seems to have gotten less and less.

Omal: yes?

Russ: is as she was saying it is a sign of the times, was it media related perhaps?

Omal: perhaps yes, it is definitely the moral issue that life has become cheap, that you do see as Kiri put it so much death and destruction on your entertainment devices. It has become popular entertainment to watch people being maimed and killed whether it is in a pseudo-entertainment world or in actual fact on your news services.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: pick a movie.

Russ: "Groundhog Day".

Omal: is there somebody killed in that?

Russ: many times.

Omal: correct.

Skip: yes, yes, yes.

Omal: pick another one.

Russ: "Fantasia"?

Omal: are there people being killed in that?

Russ: yeah, absolutely.

Skip: in what?

Russ: "Fantasia", from Disney.

Omal: I am not familiar with "Fantasia" nor was I familiar with "Groundhog Day". Okay letís pick another one.

Russ: go ahead Skip.

Skip: you mean violent ones?

Omal: any.
Russ: no just anything.

Skip: well even the cartoons that the kids watch which are what, five minutes of cartoons or ten minutes? Theyíre beating up on each other, theyíre killing each other and everything else.

Omal: so therefore it is a part of society accepted, most people until recently it seems to me were aware that that was for entertainment and it was not real. Now the lines have become blurred because of your news media showing people getting shot, blown up, running out of houses on fire, bombs being dropped, being shot on beaches, being shot at vacation resorts, at high schools, at colleges, at universities and they hear all the gory details and see all the gory details that they become numb to it so therefore it loses its value as life.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: so it is definitely a sign of the times, whether or not it is a sign of an end or a beginning is unknown.

Skip: yeah thatís the mediaís fault.

Omal: I wouldnít say just the media, I would say it's people in general being prepared to sit down and see these events as it happens. It is a negative side of the technology communication revolution.......

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: the fact that the morals seem to have gone by the wayside.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: yeah they have.

Russ: interesting. In dealing with it then, an individualís morals are what are really important for now and to pass those onto others that you deal with.

Omal: correct.

Skip: but theyíre not being passed on, thatís the problem.

Russ: well you and I and Mark, we pass our morals on.

Skip: okay, present company exceptedÖ..

Russ: right.

Skip: but the young people growing up, their folks arenít teaching them the morals like we were taught.

Russ: hmm. Omal is this maybe a problem of single families, or single-parent families perhaps?

Skip: no not really, even double-parent familiesÖÖsingle-parent families it used to be that you didnít, you didnít live with another person unless you were married, now itís an accepted thing for two people to live together period.

Omal: Skip is quite correct.

Russ: uh-huh

Skip: and thatís the beginning of your breakdown of your morals right there, thatís the start of it. And using vulgar or cursing language, thereís another problem.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: the parents use it, the kids use it and it's accepted all over even the films and movies and it is using the vulgar language which if we used vulgar language when I was a kid you get your mouth washed out with soap.

Russ: yeah I threatened one of my kids that was playing games tonight with that so Iím seeing it more and more.

(from an incident at the cyber cafe I co-owned at the time)

Skip: yeah you're seeing it all the time and even in feature films that are entertainment, the people are using foul language. They use four letter words like theyíre running out of style.

Omal: again Skip is quite correct, it is something that can be changed. If you start at an early age that you do not use curse words, foul or abusive language, especially around a child and an infant, therefore it teaches even at an early age that it is wrong. And if you explain later to a child that the reason that the child mustn't use the language even at school with the companions of the child is because the child by not falling in with those word structures becomes superior, becomes morally better, becomes educationally better, is looked upon with more respect. At first it will be looked upon as the child is a wimp but if the child holds to the patterns laid down by the parent or parents, then the child becomes morally better and in later life looked upon and respected as long as the child also acts with strength. And if the child is instructed in a way that uses the childís mind, that it can resort to name-calling so the other children do not understand that they're being name-called increases a childís intellect and also makes a child realize that it can help it's friends in the same way. One drop of water can be the drop of water that overflows the bucket.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: or fills the vessel to full, whatever you wish to phrase it as but it is important from the get-go that there is no foul or abusive language. Continue.

Skip: what I keep running into and itís not my generation but the generation that Mark and Russ are more or less in which would be what? Two generations behind me?

Russ: more or less.

Skip: yeahÖÖÖ even the ladies that have children are using foul and abusive language even around their children.

Omal: which is totally wrong and unacceptable.

Skip: but everybody, I say everybody, Iím using terminology of what Iíve run into accepts it and by accepting it they're tearing up their own morals, their own loyalty, their ownÖÖ..when I was a kid patriotism and loyalty was something that made you glow from the inside but there isnít any of that left anymore. The same with journeyman doing their job, thereís no craftsmanship left anymore or it seems not to be okay? In my own personal looking at things, weíve gotten to a point of where theyíve made this a throwaway world.

Omal: you again are very correct, it is definitely changing. Whether it is changing for the better or for the worse is something that is yet to be seen but, it is definitely the pangs of a society that is changing. Whether or not there will be a few voices in the wilderness such as yourselves that say, ďstop, this is enough, it must change.Ē The old ways were probably correct, the new ways are probably incorrect or correct depending on your point of viewÖ..

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: but blending the two together. Certainly having a higher technology but having the intelligence to use the technology in such a way that it benefits all and lays a moral pathway that is beneficial for all.

Russ: well Skip brings up a good point on the question of patriotism. It seems now with the advanced communication abilities of both the media and the Internet, patriotism seems to have fallen by the wayside and we seem to be on that road. Now the question I have is again as you mentioned is it for the good or for the bad? Now one would say yes itís for the good because patriotism brings a good sense of unity to the country youíre in but at the same time our efforts to change to a more world united planet would seem be pushing in the direction that says well maybe patriotism toward a species as us being humans or a species being involved with living on one planet might be important for the future also?

Omal: yes but alsoÖÖ..sorry, continue.

Skip: but whatís happening here is thatís not happening, people are losing patriotism in their country or their ethnic background or their religion or whatever or their country but theyíre not replacing it with the patriotism of earthlings or humans or whatever. Itís not being replaced, itís just being thrown away.

Omal: again Skip is very correct, youíre doing very well tonight as well I might add.

Skip: thank you.

Omal: I believe it was Kiri that was discussing pride in oneís ethnic group.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: I believe it was in connection with the comment of arenít you earthlings after all? And Kiri saidÖÖher answer was well I am Sirian first but Iím also from the highlands second. It is good to have pride in your ethnic heritageÖ..

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: in your ethnic group. So it would be equally wise and sensible to have pride in the fact of first of all youíre human but secondly youíre AmericansÖ..

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: and thirdly, you are of Native American descent or Polish descent or German descent or Irish or all of the above but you are Americans secondly and humans first.

Russ: no one seems to be pushing that end of it though youíre right, no oneís replacing it with anything.

Skip: thatís it exactly.

Russ: I think something should be done, maybe we should replace it with something.

Omal: maybe the talk here now should be turned into action. Donít forget, you may be the little drops that are prelude to the storm, the shower, the rain cloud burst.

Russ: I absolutely agree, sure.

Skip: I understand.

Russ: I mean what we have at tools available, quite easy to do actually. It'd take a long time to get going but time is all we have left.

Skip: wellÖ..

Russ: lessons to be learned, itís a good lesson.

Skip: hmm.

Russ: I mean some of the groups that have pushed for something similar, for example Earth First and Greenpeace, things like that have been pushing more planet awarenessÖ..

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: more global awareness have all gone about it in a almost terrorist tactic kind of way.

Skip: sometimes they do, yeah.

Omal: but they do not have the structure. They say weíre all humans, humans first, Earth first but they do not replace it with or have the structure to say, ďyes, weíre all humans first but you are Americans secondly, you are Germans secondly, you are French secondly, you are whatever country you are living in secondly. Having pride in that area is just as important as having pride in the whole entire planet. After all, if you do not have pride in your area, how can you have pride for the whole entire planet?

Skip: yeah.

Omal: so by having pride in the fact that you are Americans, Skip and Russ are Americans secondly but humans first. But it is just as important and equally as important to have pride in both as it is equally important to have a left and a right, a night and a day, a hot and a cold, they are the partners to each other. It is the partnership of Americans second but earthlings first that is the key. You can say you're all humans first and if youíre all humans first then you have to have you are Americans, you are Germans, you are British, you are French second.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: but in actual fact they are not second, they're also first but in your analogies and understanding it is the wording.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Russ: what comes after that? For example are we then living beings first, earthlings secondÖ.

Omal: (chuckles) let us take one step at a time.

Skip: in our 3-D society I would say that we're earthlings or humans first.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: and then we're either Americans, French, German or whatever.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: then our ethnic backgroundÖ..

Omal: is third.

Skip: would be third.

Omal: that is quite correct.

Skip: what I guess irritates me more than anything else is somebody that comes from a different country into ours and does nothing but tear it down and yet continues to stay here and reap the benefits of what we have put out.

Omal: yes I understand that that would be frustrating.

Skip: and yet we canít throw them out just because they have the Second Amendment of our Constitution the freedom of speech.

Omal: correct.

Skip: not Second, itísÖ.

Omal: it isÖ.

Skip: Second is the right to bear arms.

Omal: ahh, it is the Fifth Amendment.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: no, the Fifth Amendment is the refusing to answer any question on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.

Russ: I thought it was the First Amendment?

Omal: the First Amendment is freedom of speech I believe..

Skip: oh okay, all right, I had it messed up, yeah.

Omal: the Fifth Amendment is I refuse to answer any question on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.

Skip: right, the Fifth AmendmentÖ..

Omal: which is getting some chuckles up here by the way.

Skip: and yet people use it.

Omal: yes, people that shouldnít use it use it.

Skip: (chuckles) yeah I know. Youíre right, the First Amendment is the freedom of speech, the Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.

Omal: Russ when you come to this part check and confirm that so there is accuracy.

Russ: okay, I will.

Omal: it is important.

Russ: Iíll do some heavy editing.

Skip: uh-huh, right.

Omal: even if it's necessary to back and edit and correct.

Skip: I think Iíve got the amendments on a plaque at home.

Omal: well there is a mission for you, type it up on your computer and send it in e-mail form as well as being able to use your computer as an experiment. This is a challenge, to convince at least one person that they're humans first and American or whatever nationality they are second but the fact being that both are equal.

Russ: thatís easy for me, Iíve got a webpage to work with, thatís my next editorial.

Omal: outside of the webpage.

Russ: oh, outside of the webpage.

Omal: correct, convince one person.

Skip: I think what bothers me more than anything else about patriotism and loyalty is at one time our flag was very sacred, it didnít touch the ground, it was put up in daylight and was taken down at dusk, it was only put up certain ways. Now people burn it, throw it on the ground, stomp on it and everything else.

Omal: make clothing out of it.

Skip: yes and itís very aggravating to me because thatís a symbol of our country...............Iím sorry.

Omal: oh thatís quite correct I was thinking and dwelling for a second there.

Russ: yeah you got me thinking and dwelling too.

Skip: but that is, thatís just like the American bald eagle and the American flag, them are symbols of our country and they should be honored highly.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: and they arenít anymore.

Russ: interesting, I got the idea of an Earth flag that would also instill the benefits of the different countries.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh. See from what I understand, the UN is starting to set this thing up. When this UN, the United Nations was formed, this is basically what they were trying to do was put the whole world more or less under one administration if you want to call it that, just a word okay? But thatís the way it looked to me like when they first formed the UN for all these different countries to come to one place to try to solve the problems of the world, I think theyíve abused it.

Omal: it is definitely changed from what it was supposed to be.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: it is now almost to the point of the League of Nations. Does anybody remember what happened to the League of Nations?

Russ: yeah, World War I started.

Omal: no, it was created after World War I.

Russ: oh, World War II then.

Omal: basically yes and it failed, it failed in its purpose and goal.

Russ: well thereís still problems with the United Nations the fact that only a few major countries have veto power......

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: that's it exactly.

Russ: because no matter what everybody else thinks, one country can say, ďwell, too bad.Ē

Skip: uh-huh and our country, as young as it is, itís a baby of the world more or less is one of the greater powers.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we exercise that veto power quite a bit.

Skip: and by being a greater power they more or less stomp on the little people, they do what they damn wellÖÖ..




(Omal gets back to business)

Omal: it states, ďI hold these facts to be evident although the will of the majority must prevail in all cases, the will of the minority is also to be taken into consideration."

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: I believe that is a quote from.....think it wasÖÖ

Russ: Abraham Lincoln?

Omal: no.

Russ: no?

Omal: no, itís one of the early founding fathers and I admit that I quoted probably a little inaccurately.

Russ: ďwe hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equalÖĒ

Omal: etc., etc., "although the will of the majority must prevail in all cases, the minority etc.", something else for you to edit and look up, but that is not practiced in the United Nations. The country that preaches it the most does not practice it in the United Nations.

Skip: no because they have too much power.

Omal: correct, it is unfortunately, should be one vote one country.

Skip: yeah but it isnít.

Omal: that is correct. Okay, it is time for me to depart.

Skip: okay, thanks Omal.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: you are welcome. Live long, prosper and, Iíll be back.

(Ed. note- the exact quote Omal referenced is: "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 1801)

(Kiri is back as Lyka prepares to channel)

Russ: hmmmm.

Skip: some food for thought tonight.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: but it has, patriotismÖÖhi baby.

Kiri: hey.

Russ: hi dear.

Skip: patriotism and loyalty has gone down the tube.

Kiri: I think he did that very well.

Skip: whatís the matter?

Kiri: Omal, he did very well.

Skip: heís pretty sharp.

Kiri: yeah heís always sharp.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: so sharp he could cut himself.

Skip: but we got off on a tangent tonight.

Kiri: no I think he probably manipulated the conversation actually.

Skip: who?

Kiri: Omal did.

Skip: oh.

Russ: not the wrong tangent at all, I think weíre right on the exact same thing where we started with Kiri.

Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. So I have had three good weeks.

Skip: oh yeah?

Russ: of course you did.

Kiri: bummer, Iíll have to do something about that.

Russ: I donít know.

Skip: youíre doing just fine.

Russ: yes you are.

Kiri: you want me to take Markís underwear off and put them on his head?

Russ: does Mark want you to take his underwear off and put them on his head is a better question?

(Skip laughs out loud)

Kiri: sorry, run that by me again?

Russ: does Mark want you to take his underwear off and put them on his head?

Kiri: yes.

Skip: and no, no.

Kiri: better not.

Skip: behave yourself.

Kiri: hey, Iíve got to have my fun.

Skip: I know.

Kiri: okay, I think Iíve been given the job as ring mistressÖ..

Skip: okay.

Kiri: itís been thrust upon me.

Russ: looks like you been doing it quite well.

Skip: youíre doing fine.

Kiri: apart from I get fidgety. Okay, notice Iím using Tiaís format actually?

Russ: yeah, itís working quite well.

Kiri: uh-huh, it did work.

(Lyka gets in her time channeling to us)

Lyka: hi.

Skip: hi sweetie.

Lyka: hey, howís it going?

Russ: good.

Skip: good, how about you?

Lyka: Iím doing good, much better than last week, much better than last week.

Russ: well yeah, you sound a little less dragging.

Lyka: uh-huh, I'm more lucid and aware of my faculties, I will make myself available to discuss.

Skip: okay, can I you ask you a question?

Lyka: yeah sure.

Skip: in your few yearsÖ.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: have you seen the disintegration of a society like is happening in our 3-D world?

Lyka: Iíve seen far worse, Iíve seen far, far worse.

Skip: no what Iím trying to get at is, I believe in my own mind that ours is just starting.

Lyka: I would say from what I have been able to see and from what Iíve heard and what I have been having access to, I would say yes you are just starting, Iíve seen far, far worse.

Skip: well, that comes with being a soldier.

Lyka: uh-huh, we have a job to do, we took an oath, we took an oath.

Skip: youíve got a job to perform, no matter which side youíre on, you still have a job to do.

Lyka: yes.

Skip: when you swear an allegiance or take an oathÖ..

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: but that would be a UN force would be Oath Keepers.

Russ: uh-huh.

Lyka: in essence yes we are like your United Nations. Iím not that familiar with it so Iím not going to say what I think I know about it but itís probably totally inaccurate but our purpose is to go in and make sure that the world survives. We took an oath thousands of years ago as a group of people from Sirius to defend the sister worlds, to protect them from any harm that may befall them. When we join and we finish our training, we take that exact same oath and part of the oath is that if by losing our lives we can save or protect or aid in the advancement of the sister worlds, then we die with immunity, we cease to be for the fulfillment of our oaths.

Skip: uh-hum, okay.

Lyka: you see oaths are very important regardless of what dimension you are on. If you give your oath, your word, your honor, nothing else matters.

Skip: see thatís something that's fallen by the wayside in this world.

Lyka: if I stand up and say, ďI promise, I swear I will do itĒ, I have to do it regardless of what it is, even if it means my destruction, even if it means that I cease to be in this physical form, even if it affects the life of my child I have to fulfill that oath. I promise, I swear, I oblige myself, my freedom is now gone, I have willingly given up that freedom to fulfill an oath. It's not for everybody, itís definitely not for everybody. I can think of numerous people that the mere concept of losing their freedom would be more horrific than losing an arm or a leg but it is something that is very, very important. Oaths are something that are necessary to be fulfilled.

Russ: it seems like thatís one of those things that would help you through the sixth dimension though.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: especially the commitment that youíre making as far as dedicating your life to protecting people you donít know.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: itís a concept as Skip said thatís fallen by the wayside down here.

Skip: yes it has.

Lyka: itís a very important one, to have thatÖ..

Skip: in fact a personís word in this time and era on this planet has got to the point of where itís almost nonexistent.

Lyka: it means nothing.

Skip: you have to have it in writingÖ..

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: or itís no good.

Lyka: uh-huh but with us it is who you are. If you give an oath, even those people that are very much opposed to giving a promise or an oath, they will fulfill it. They have to promise they will fulfill that promise and that obligation even to the point of if it costs them dearly and it is something that is very, very important. An oath is more important than anything else. Even the life of yourself, my unborn child, my bond mate, my friends, my comrades, itís more important than that.

Skip: yeah it is because your word is you.

Lyka: uh-huh, itís who I am and as the Oath Keeper, I cannot say I promise to do something, I cannot say I swear Iíll do something because Iím already taken.

Skip: uh-huh.

Lyka: Iíve given my solemn word, I have taken an oath and that has precedent above all else. I cannot give another oath, I cannot give another promise until my oath is expired and I took an oath for no less than 300 cycles, 300 years. I have the opportunity to renew at the end of the time but 300 years is a long time.

Skip: yes it is.

Lyka: and the sad thing is that not many Oath Keepers see that, we have a very high rate of oath keepers that fulfill their oaths prematurely.

Russ: hmmm.

Lyka: and thereís also a lot of Oath Keepers that continue after the 300 years, they renew, re-up their oath for another 100 years or 200 years or 300 years.

Russ: does it make it any easier to keep fulfilling these oaths when you do see what you do see with the worlds you to go to?

Lyka: sometimes itís very, very hard.

Russ: isnít there also besides the Oath Keepers, is there a diplomatic side?

Lyka: no, they have to work out that themselves.

Russ: now what about planets that actually have a belief in Ashtar Command and an understanding of them, of other racesÖ.

Lyka: very few do.

Russ: oh.

Lyka: besides, weíre not part of Ashtar Command.

Russ: oh youíre not?

Lyka: no.

Russ: you're part of Sirius.

Lyka: correct. So itís irrelevant whether or not they have a belief in Ashtar Command, those worlds that do arenít a problem though.

Skip: okay darling.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: oh golly.

Russ: so how is it with your limited, lighter duties now?

Lyka: my duties arenít that lighter, the only thing that Iím not allowed to do is to go on exercise or to participate in combative sports.

Russ: hmm.

Lyka: and I really donít feel like running so that pretty much means allís I do is walk and sit behind my desk, make my inspections and study. In fact not being able to exercise or participate in combative sports is leaving me to catch up with some interesting studies that Iíve always had difficulty with.

Russ: ballistics.

Lyka: yes.

Russ: good.

Lyka: uh-huh, working very hard on that and my maths is improving.

Russ: excellent, glad to hear it.

Lyka: I didnít know that you could, if youíre launching a long-range ballistic missile, use the rotation of the planet to give it that extra kick.

Skip: uh-huh.

Lyka: I didnít know that.

Russ: that makes two of us.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah, theyíve always done that.

Lyka: it depends also on the location that youíre firing from.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: hmm.

Lyka: for example, if the planet is spinning this way and you launch your missile right? As it spins away it means that you use less fuel to launch it because the planet is turning away from it as itís already entering its trajectory which means that you use less fuel and you can make it travel further if you take have the exact same amount of fuel and you can get to the target quicker.

Skip: itís what they talk aboutÖÖhave you ever heard them about windows?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: thatís what theyíre talking about.

Russ: oh.

Lyka: isnít there some kind of computer system?

Skip: no, no, no, yeah, yeah it is now but I mean Iím talking about flight control windows.

Lyka: oh.

Skip: they can go through windows, you donít have as much friction on account of the rotation of the planet and if you hit the window correctly, it gives you that extra boost.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: same thing coming back in.

Lyka: Iím actually studying at the moment the long-range projectile interplanetary. For example, attacking a planet that is quite some way away, getting into the real heavy maths.

Skip: we haven't quite progressed that far yet.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well weíve landed on the moon and weíre landing them on Mars so weíre way progressed that far.

Lyka: well youíre talking if you hit within 20 miles of the target youíre doing good, Iím talking within one or two units over such a great distance.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: tricky stuff.

Lyka: oh itís a lot of fun too. Iím also currently studying some interesting battlefield strategies from theÖÖÖnevermind, I can't go into details as I was about to start blabbing about Sirian battle tactics but I canít, canít discuss that.

Skip: yeah.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: you might study some of our ancient generals too.

Lyka: I have, Hadrian, Caesar, RamsesÖ.

Skip: some of them were pretty sharp.

Lyka: uh-huh, Alexander, Napoleon, Rommel, oh I can sit here and go on naming generals. I can discuss the Carthaginian wars which I've studied, Macedonian wars I could talk about, Philip the Second of Macedonia. Do you know who Philip of Macedonia was?

Russ: uh-uh.

Lyka: do you know who he was father of?

Skip: who he was what?

Russ: Alexander the Great.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, I did know that.

Lyka: uh-huh, I can sit and pontificate all day about battles. I can talk about...ÖI canít remember the location but it is a famous battle with Ramses the Second andÖ..I forget but it was something like fourteen something against think it was the Hittites or somewhere in that area where he got ahead of his main force and heís got a small patrol with himÖÖ..well not a small patrol but I think it was like one third of his army and he was attacked by the Hittites, what he thought was a small patrol turned out to be their whole entire army and his bravery and audacity saved a possible massive defeat and his own life, turned it into what the Egyptians claimed was a victory. In actual fact it was a stalemate.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: hmm.

Russ: interesting.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: well you had a lot of fun.

Lyka: oh yeah, studied that battle and realized that a lot of it was luck, a lot of it was luck.

Russ: a lot of battles are luck.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh, rain or air cover or whatever.

Lyka: maybe on your planet they're luck, we haveÖ..ÖÖbut put it this way as a student when I play a wargame, I have to have at least six possible strategies for each possible scenario. And in a wargame it wonít be one scenario, they will have as many as 12 different scenarios that can phase in at any time and Iíve got to have them in writing plus memorized.

Russ: wow.

Skip: wow.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: thatís heavy.

Lyka: oh it is heavy, gives me headaches. Iíve only actually ever won one wargame and I've played a lot. Iíve had quite a few stalemates but Iíve only ever won one so Iím not the best student in the world in fact actually in my class Iím probably in the bottom 15, but I try. But you have a famous general that was actually I think like the bottom of his class that went on to become quite famous but should never have been famous, he was foolish and stupid.

Russ: Patton?

Lyka: no Custer.

Russ: oh Custer.

Lyka: uh-huh. In fact I was studying his famous Battle of Little Bighorn, do you know how lucky he was not to lose his whole entire force?

Russ: really?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought he did lose his whole entire force.

Lyka: no he didnít lose his whole entire command.

Skip: he lost one third of it.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: sorry, I didnít mean to jump in there.

Lyka: oh thatís quite all right. Captain Reno was wise in hunkering down but also remiss in his duty and his oath, he failed to fulfill his oath and duties.

Russ: what, back up his commanding officer?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Lyka: that was very foolish and remiss. Okay, Iíve got to depart, I need to take care of a few things and Kiriís goingÖÖoh she's going bye, okay bye.

Skip: thank you very much.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: take care.

(Kiri returns to usher in her sister)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo, okay how much time do we have left on the recording?

Russ: oh we've got time for one more.

Kiri: uh-huh.

(Karra gives us some advice in child rearing)

Russ: howís it going?

Karra: itís going good.

Russ: good to hear it.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, where were we?

Skip: who is it?

Russ: Karra.

Skip: oh Karra.

Karra: yes. Where were we? Oh yes okay, we were working on education correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay, you have some questions.

Russ: ahh yes actually on the education of small onesÖÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: to get a good start especially in the psychic fields besides just the academic stuff.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but being able to work with them in improving their gifts. We donít have set doctrine down here for thatÖÖ

Karra: no.

Russ: nothing accepted anyway. And so working on our own, what would be some good techniques for teaching the young from a very young age?

Karra: well first of all you teach them by example, you show them what could be done. For example, we have a current problem with gas amongst other things. Okay what you do is you place your hands on the stomach right? And then rub gently and talk and use your voice. Remember that you have to speak in a soft, soothing tone but speak as if youíre speaking to an adult, not as if you are talking to an inanimate object of doing the coochy-coo, raising the octaves of the voice and behaving in a manner that is foolish because by doing that, the child perceives that as a way to respond. By a person talking in a silly high-pitched tone, the child thinks that that is correct instead of learning that people talk in a particular way. You can talk in a soft, soothing tone telling the child that it will feel better and the energy flowing into its stomach will calm the gases that are bubbling. Word it in a way that is soft and soothing and the tone in the voice will get the attention and the child focused. And what you're doing is being very, very open, you are using your voice which is a tool of healing, youíre using your hands which are a tool of healing and you are showing by doing that action that you can heal. The energy flow coming from the hands flows into the stomach, the child feels that. So by creating the three events, the soothing tone, the soothing action of the hand and the energy flow, you are healing and showing how to heal.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: as the child ages and progresses, what you do is you take the hand if it is suffering from gas again and you do the circular motion and you send your energy into your hand that has their wrist and you flow it into their wrist and you flow it in with the correct flow that it flows into their hand and it pulls their energy in.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: now with other abilities, what you do is you sit the child down and at a infant age you sit with the child in your lap or in your arms and you meditate. But you generate the field around you of sincerity, of harmony and relaxation. There must be at the time no external distractions. As you meditate, you could rock your arms, the child may even fall asleep but in your meditative state you project let us say you are working on manifestation, images, the child in its relaxed state and very open state at an infant stage will pick up on those thoughts so therefore you start the learning process and the teaching process. As the child gets older, you take a moment, first of all five minutes and the child sits down and learns to be patient then for five minutes it sits and meditates. At the end of the five minutes it, for example if again weíre working on manifestation, draws what it has seen. As a child gets older the time increments are increased and you use things like Playdo to build as a child gets older what itís seen. So in time you are using the manifestation even though the child is manifesting with the hands objects by building or drawing or writing, you are increasing its manifestation capability. As a child gets older and the linguistic ability improves and the cognitive thought process improves, you use all three. One day you would draw, the following day you may create with Playdo and the following day you write, describe and you, especially with the writing, you keep the writing so that you can review and see what the improvements are. Now with astral travel, what has been done in the past is first of all the relaxation technique, very similar to the manifestation technique, sit down, relax for five minutes and dwell within oneself but, as a child grows older, you take the child and you have little gifts that the child must look for in the astral form and when the child locates it in the astral form and the child only gets one opportunity, the child will go and get the object. If it is up high where the child cannot reach which is the best bet, then the child takes you by the hand, leads you to let us say it is a $.25 piece and you have put it on top of the bookcase, takes you by the hand, takes you to the bookcase, pick the child up, the child reaches up and tells you if it's in a corner, if it's on top, whereabouts on top, it has to reach up and put its hand and take it. It can feel around but once you take it to where it has to go, even if it is checking the wrong end, then accuracy is important.

Russ: excellent, what about telepathy?

Karra: telepathy, okay telepathy, that again is done when you meditate and start off with the child in the infant level in your arms. You can talk to the child, at first it's not going to listen because itís not going to to recognize but it is important to talk in a soothing tone in your mind telling the child how strong itís going to be, where itís going. As the child gets older and itís always important never to talk in a childlike way to a child because if you talk in a childlike way it will mimic, it will copy, it must be as an adult to a younger person, patiently, intelligently because if you talk in a childlike way, then thatís what it's going learn to behave like and thatís going to stay with it throughout its life. Weíve seen many examples of that.

Russ: hmmm all right, so I guess the other, only other ability we havenít covered is psychokinesis.

Karra: psychokinesis is a very tricky field, very tricky and I donít think that itís something that we need to worry about at this time.

Russ: all right.

Karra: okay? And coercion, Iím not going to touch because thatís Kiriís field of expertise and if I say something sheís libel to turn around and if I say something wrong sheís libel to butt in and we donít want that right now.

Russ: all right, weíll save that for next week with her and weíll see what happens but that's something that has to be handled very gently anyway.

Karra: oh very gently.

Russ: and children have their own ability at coercion to start with as it is.

Karra: correct and Skipís been very quiet.

Skip: Iím just listening.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I learn more that way.

Karra: yeah, it is always wise to listen. Treebeard was listening, heís now sitting very upright with his back to a very large bamboo plant and his mouth is wide open and I believe he is in a state of dormancy.

Skip: okay.

Russ: well, heís communing with nature.

Karra: yes in a vocal way, theÖ..(starts snoring)

Skip: okay.

Russ: all right, well lots of good things to start working with anyway.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and itís good for the webpage tooÖ.

Karra: yes.

Russ: people, no matter how old you are, there are always important things you can learn from that.

Skip: thatís right.

Karra: well I believe that that little dissertation should go in the how-to section.

Russ: raising young ones, absolutely.

Karra: uh-huh. What we can do is we can takeÖÖnext week we will start off with healing for children.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and we will start off with one week to one year and then we will do one year to three years and then we will do three years to six years and by that point it then becomes a matter of practice and learning more about anatomy, learning more about energy flows. And then by six years should have the basics to be able heal not everything but to be able to know what to do in certain situations and then it becomes a matter of learning well, physiology so that you know to apply pressure in a certain place to create a certain amount of healing or pain or certain situations.

Russ: excellent, thank you. That will work.

Karra: but the early stages are definitely the most important because you are instilling a belief factor at that point. A lot of the problems that Iíve seen with people that have attended channeling sessions is disbelief that it can be done, it can be healed.

Russ: true, well everyoneís on a path....

Karra; uh-huh.

Russ: some people just take longer to get along the path.

Karra: uh-huh.

Karra: but some just get stuck and donít proceedÖ..

Russ: right.

Karra: but that is their learning lesson. I know what youíre saying because I can see it in your mind.

Russ: right.

Karra: but Iím also saying that yes it is happening right in this room, the increase in room temperatures, the decrease in room temperatures, they're all why? Instead of saying, ďwell something happened, I donít understand it so therefore it didnít happenĒ, even though you have the physical evidence for example the headache or the feeling of the euphoria of the feeling of suddenly going from very tired to energized, those are examples.

Russ: but all can be explained away.

Karra: in innumerable ways anything can be explained away.

Skip: yeah it sure can.

Karra: anything can but with the information that you have, for example, you come into a room, you sit down, youíre listening to a very dull and boring conversation in your perception for example Treebeard, the next person comes on and really doesnít hold your interest but yet all of a sudden youÖ..


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