Baron Von Ringmaster- Channeled (11/02/98)

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Archivist Notes: This month's podcast comes with a story for anyone not up to date on The Baron and the title for this channeling session. As heard in last month's podcast, Kiri was discussing guides and the suggestion was made that The Baron would make a good guide for a pilot just starting out being that it had been just over two months since he had died. This was nine before that though and this was the third session where The Baron had been acting as ringmaster in a search for the best person to lead off each of the nights when there was channeling from the base. We hear him talk about his wish to do the best job possible and that he had been working on his English skills to make himself more understandable in his phrasing. The reason for this was that during his time as a pilot he took on the persona of Baron Von Richthofen and had whatever craft he piloted painted red. We even get to hear him make a joke during the session of his choice of pilots to emulate. We hear also of his family and the high costs of being a pilot from a higher dimension flying in the third dimension to protect worlds like ours. Besides his story, the rest of the session is another informative one but with a new twist. Tia could not make it in person to make her report of happenings on earth so she recorded a hologram disc of it and through a new technology being tried, they were able to get the holo-disk to act through Mark's body and perform all the functions Tia would take if she herself was channeling through Mark. For those of us in the room down here the difference was unnoticeable. 

     So giving his new English lessons a test run, The Baron starts the night off talking about his family which he would soon be visiting back home when his trip to their planet happened. We hear of the bravery of his daughter who had been permanently crippled from an engagement and would never be able to fly again. Once more we learn of the men and women of the pilots and what they do for our dimension despite the chance it could end their careers or even lives. He ends his first time on with an answer to a question on if it was possible Tonar, who was a ruler on Sirius at one time in its third dimensional period, could have been reincarnated as Adolph Hitler. Tia's short report via holo-disk covers several items with the main one that global warming is a natural occurrence. Twenty years later I'm personally in disagreement about that aspect of her report but this is now and that as then. In his first transition between speakers The Baron tells a joke which maybe gets more laughs on the base as the punchline was lost somewhere in the translation. That brings up Karra who was asked to split her time speaking in two so as to get Treebeard before Karra's main topic was discussed at length. In this segment she answers the questions Tia's report and in particular on a hurricane that was ravaging Central America at the time named Mitch. She gives us her take on it as requested by a reader at the time from the perspective of Hades Base. short on time The Baron takes us to Treebeard who has an answer on a subject we had left off on during his last time channeling. The answer was given in the form of an analogy of how the human race is like an immense tree with branches spreading out from a single source. He ends the side with a discussion on devas and a theory he had put forward that the deva that was coming around the house at the time might be the same deva of a similar nature but in a male form. Our visiting deva had taken the form of the goddess Diana and he helps us try to tune into the devas presence who had just come into the room. The subject also allows us to hear about a similar deva he knew about back on Sirius who was the deva of fishing using spears. 

   On side two the subject is continued but only up to the point where Treebeard demonstrates his talent for probing by exploring the early life of our guest Skip. The two have a conversation about skip's years in the military and a previous life on a distant planet that could only best be described as the Wookie homeworld of Kashyyyk from the Star wars series or a planet covered in forests of huge trees. Treebeard leaves after a short while speaking to dwell which brings on Omal who gives us a better understanding of differences of probing between Treebeard and Bunny, his distant grandniece many generations down the line from him. He also addresses Tia's dissertation which leads into a discussion of how best to survive any kind of breakdown of society which would include the storage of food and other essential items that might be needed. That included food dehydration and again Skip's time in the military is revealed as we learn about K-rations and C-rations. A time of economic collapse thankfully has never happened though what is being discussed is valuable for a possible future when such advice would be handy such as the trade value of a case of cigarettes where each pack had been wrapped in wax paper and vacuum sealed. Even Omal is moved along to Karra and new dissertation on herbology. For this session she starts out with mint and some of the good things it can do and some of the bad things a certain mint can do if used by pregnant women. She follows that up with the only plug for a website besides the Hades Base News that she ever endorsed. It's a health resource site that is still a valuable place for advice and one she believes strongly in still. She gives us a preview of the next week's channeling session where she would demonstrate how to make poultices. We again bring tobacco into the conversation as it is one of the main ingredients being asked to have supplied before the session. She even remarks on the incongruity of a healer using tobacco as a tool for healing. She changes subjects at that point to give tips and quiz us a bit on battlefield medicine including casts and honey. The session ends just as we're starting to go through the list ingredients needed for the upcoming poultice training.           


SPEAKERS
ATTENDEES
KIRI Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS
TREEBEARD  SKIP
KARRA
TIA


SIDE 1

2.)(9:43)- Tia could not be at the channeling session so she presents a dissertation on our planet through the aid of a holo-disk to control Mark's body so she can report on our global warming, stocks and politics.

3.)(16:11)- Karra answers questions on Hurricane Mitch that was going on in Central America and whether earth's wobble was a result of the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs.

4.)(25:53)- Treebeard uses a banyan tree as a metaphor for the growth of the human species but as he starts discussing our local deva it comes into the room. He next helps us tune into its presence.

SIDE 2

2.)(7:45)- Omal talks about storage ideas for possible hard times ahead which include dehydrated food that is vacuum sealed. We also learn about K-rations and C-rations from our guest who was in the service.

3.)(27:48)- Karra begins her dissertation on herbs plus makes a one-time plug for a health research link she believes strongly in. We also plan the ingredient list she'll need to show us how to make poultices.

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SIDE ONE


(The Baron is back as ringmaster.)


The Baron: guten abend mein herr, mein herr. Okay, we are going to get down to business as soon as we are fully ready. We have a few things I’ve never been done before so we will do those things when they are ready. In the meantime we are speaking ja?

Russ: ja.

The Baron: so I answer questions ja?

Russ: indeed.

The Baron: you ask question about going home?

Russ: yeah.

The Baron: ja, as I say, I go home and see my great, great, what you say?

Russ: grandson.

The Baron: grandson? To being only male child of my family that still alive but he have bond mate who is being of ready to birth?

Russ: oh excellent, so you’ll have another great, great grandchild.

The Baron: ja I hope so, I have a few great granddaughters and granddaughter and daughter. My daughter being honorable pilot?

Skip: oh that’s super.

The Baron: but pay very dearly and not be able to fly again and not able walk, talk only, see through one eye. No artificial eye, too much ja?

Russ: uh-huh.

The Baron: so she pretty bad but treated with lots of……what you say?

Russ: love?

The Baron: ja but also no. I not know word.

Skip: talking about bionetics?

The Baron: no, no she no have……too much damage.

Skip: oh okay.

The Baron: part of side of head gone with implant so she no able fly or take artificial……..artificial ja? Artificial…….

Skip: implants.

The Baron ja.

Skip: ahhh okay, all right I got you.

The Baron: so she……

Skip: too much damage.

The Baron: ja, very much damage.

Skip: yeah.

The Baron: but very brave, I think highly of her.

Skip: sounds like it, sounds like it.

The Baron: ja, she only child left…….

Skip: excuse me.

The Baron: ja?

Skip: in other words you’ve got a lot of family that love you very dearly.

The Baron: not seen many of them in long time.

Skip: that’s okay, they still love you.

The Baron: ja but I old, I have few problems that need……..but I no talk, it’s not good ja?

Russ: uh-huh. Anyway I have a question for you….

The Baron: ja.

Russ: I’m editing a tape right now that’s going to be going on the webpage soon……

The Baron: what is word?

Russ: webpage, the information on the Internet that we put for Hades Base….

The Baron: ja?

Russ: that I edit?

The Baron: uh-huh.

Russ: and I’m editing the tape and it was a time when an entity named Monka was talking? Perhaps you know him?

The Baron: ja I know Monka, I know Monka for many of your planet's cycle. I fly escort when very young.

Russ: okay excellent. He was talking about in fact a person who has implants or cyborgs……

The Baron: uh-huh.

Russ: and he was saying how…

The Baron: what is cyborg?

Russ: cyborg is half man, half machine?

The Baron: ahh.

Russ: he said that the implants start to affect a person as far as their thinking because they start thinking more like a machine but he was dealing with people down here that that’s going on where he says that has to be watched very carefully.

The Baron: ja, ja a long time ago when we first start doing implants we have many, many problems.

Russ: oh really?

The Baron: we do many more than just implant, improve on visual, auditory, muscular reactions so I think Monka mean more of person being more machine than just implant.

Russ: oh okay.

The Baron: but when we have early implants, persons get very………..what is word? Mentally unbalanced.

Russ: oh wow.

The Baron: but much research we overcome that but I know bisschen.

Russ: yeah, you know little of it.

The Baron: ja.

Russ: uh-huh. Opps, my tea's ready, I’ll be back in one second.

The Baron: we talk, okay?

Skip: yes definitely, definitely.

The Baron: you ask question I answer or not as maybe.

Skip: I owe you an apology young man.

The Baron: what for?

Skip: I kind of got on your case last week and that wasn’t my place to do that.

The Baron: we all do things we regret. If I get on your case…….

Skip: it’s your right.

The Baron: ja.

Skip: but is wasn’t my right to get after you.

The Baron: nein, nein, it was your right. You look from angle that is…..what is word?

Skip: more or less your situation.

The Baron: ja.

Skip: uh-huh.

The Baron: but you no have so long in high……..what is word? Stress......

Skip: yeah.

The Baron: very high stress.

Skip: uh-huh.

The Baron: all life I fly, I fight, I see many die around me, many like daughter beyond repair?

Skip: uh-huh.

The Baron: so I understand.

Skip: it still wasn’t my place to do that to you.

The Baron: hey, forgiven.

Skip: thank you.

Russ: now I have a very Sirius question.

The Baron: Sirius, planet no?

Russ: yep Sirius, the planet.

The Baron: ahh, no planet, star.

Russ: star, quite correct.

The Baron: ja, solar disk.

Russ: uh-huh. The gentleman who caused so much problem on Sirius in its early histories…….

The Baron: uh-huh.

Russ: I can’t remember who………..Tonar, I don’t know if you ever heard of him, Tonar?

The Baron: nein.

Russ: no? Okay…

The Baron: but Mdm. Ambassador look up from what she read.

Russ: oh excellent, I’m sure that brought up some kind of response.

The Baron: ja.

Russ: anyway I’m studying also on the early history of Germany and the Second World War……

The Baron: uh-huh.

Russ: the one after Baron Von Richthofen flew.

The Baron: ja.

Russ: and I’m wondering if it’s possible for someone such as a gentleman who was so corrupt and depraved as Tonar was to make a transition from one planet to another and be reincarnated on this planet.

The Baron: I think possible but I no, no understand. Know question but no understand for I not know how. How.......what is word you say?

Russ: reincarnate?

The Baron: nein, nein, I know what reincarnation.

Russ: ahh, well it was let’s see, corrupt, depraved…..

The Baron: ja, depraved.

Russ: depraved.

The Baron: I am not knowing, I do not know how he was…..what’s his name?

Russ: Tonar.

The Baron: Tonar, I know not but response from Mdm. Ambassador, technician, Treebeard, all look up and go……so I think very much….

Russ: okay, so that’s a negative.

Skip: yeah right. Okay, I see where you was going with that, I really did.

Russ: right.

The Baron: ja.

Skip: in another words, reincarnated himself into Adolf Hitler.

Russ: right.

Skip: it’s feasible.

Russ: well he was, Adolf Hitler was a big studier, real fan of Wagner.

The Baron: oh ja. Okay we are set for trying new thing?

Russ: oh good, we’re all set.

The Baron: so we are ready so I put body in right position, I put hand back so when I come back it no strain host body…..buddy.

Russ: okay.

The Baron: please correct me when I mix words up.

Russ: okay.

The Baron: danka.





(Tia presents a report on earth via a holo-disk.)


Tia: okay, let me get down to business as I have limited disk space and I will start by going over certain environmental factors that are going on. We will start off with the increasing activities in the global patterns in the weather systems. There have been numerous storms that recently hit various coastlines and various places on your continental USA. As I’ve stated in the past and many times prior that the effects that are being claimed on global warming are erroneous. These are natural effects, it is just that the timescale that your planet is so used to working on is so wide and these global climate changes can happen very, very fast. These are perfectly normal phenomenon from torrential rains in Texas to extremely torrential rains in places such as Honduras, Nicaragua and Belize to extreme dry spells again in Texas and other locations. The fact that this is going to be blamed upon global warming is something that needs to be warned about in advance. I know this is going to get up a lot of people and a lot of people will get upset on my claims. These are not claims, these are facts. If you look at your fossil record and tree rings and ice core samples you will see that global changes can and do happen very, very rapidly. Moving along to my next favorite topic, the economic and fiscal oscillations of your stock market. Okay a while back I predicted that it may possibly return back and be above 9,000. We have passed a crucial point, the month of October is normally a very unstable month where in the past, vast stock market crashes have occurred. This was a critical time to watch and it will be again in the next month of October and the one after that. The reasons being is that on your planet they go a lot on tradition on what has happened in the past will happen again in a cyclical motion. So it is again something that is worth stating that your market is in a state of flux and volatility as has been seen in the last couple days. With these stock market activities on a worldwide scale and the fact that donations are being made in the auspices of loans to such countries as the former Soviet Union to help balance and aid their fiscal problems and the fact that gifts are being given again stated as loans such as grain shipments is also something that is of worry. Now moving along to another topic and that is the house elections and the supposed defeat of the Republicans. This is baloney. They weren't defeated, certainly they lost a few seats but they weren't defeated. They did not lose control of the house, if that is a defeat and they're still the majority then I’m confused, very confused but that’s not the point. The point is that the Republican Party is in disarray. They are behaving and I will quote, “in a cannibalistic fashion by eating their own”. Now why would they do such a thing? Well, obviously they have no plan or agenda or a concrete plan and agenda. When they did so well, they had the contract with America, after that they had nothing so therefore they basically reaped what they sowed. Okay, I’m done.

(Tia exits after saying goodbye in Durondedunn.)





(The Baron is back to get us to Karra.)


The Baron: I no speak what Tia speak?

Russ: Durondedunn.

The Baron: yeah I no understand what she say. I wish that she speak English at end. Okay we move along, I pause and answer questions ja? Any more questions?

Russ: not right now.

Skip: not right now, thank you.

The Baron: ahhh, I understand perfectly but I make joke for you.

Skip: okay.

The Baron: it is being said that those with German no have humor?

Skip: uh-huh.

The Baron: I not being German but speak Deutsche and I think I play part ja?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

The Baron: okay I be putting on next person, danke schön.

Skip: thank you.






(Karra is on for part one of her two times channeling.)


Karra: okay…….

Russ: hello sweetheart.

Karra: okay I’m told to split myself in two that I will do a part now and then a part later if we have time.

Russ: okay.

Skip: oh okay.

Karra: okay?

Skip: that’s fine.

Karra: first of all I will answer questions.

Russ: all right love, relating to Tia’s dissertation, working on the hurricane down in South America or the storms in South America I should say that caused so much damage.........

Karra: there haven’t been any storms down in South America.

Russ: no Mitch, hurricane Mitch? Oh wait it was……

Karra: Central America hon.

Russ: Central America sorry.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: right. I got an email from a gentleman who was curious about the ramifications of this from a Ashtar Command point of view or at least Hades Base point of view since this would be the same thing pretty much.

Karra: well there’s not much that we can do to aid as much as we would like to. All's we can do is observe and watch and analyze. It certainly is a very, very sad of state of affairs but I think that dovetails with Tia’s comments about the fact that the global changes on the weather front?

Russ: ahh.

Karra: little play on words there……..it's a good example. Your planet really doesn’t know what changes are natural and not natural. They can certainly speculate but Tia pointed out very accurately that the changes can happen very fast.

Russ: uh-huh. Are there any outside effects that could be causing this though or is this just a natural effect of what happens? For example like say the photon cloud or…..

Karra: no not really, the photon cloud is not normally such a strong effect on the planet scale, it’s more of a spiritual kind of effect. Certainly it can increase weather pressures but to that extent......what's it? Was it class five?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: to that extent, I don’t think so. The only thing that I would see would be an increase in frequencies of storms and not so much the severity.

Russ: okay. How about anything to do with say for example magnetic changes in the earth’s core…..

Karra: well your magnetic changes are a normal fluctuation, the fluctuations that your planet goes through are perfectly normal and natural.

Russ: hmm okay. Skip?

Skip: darling is it true that the axis of this planet is continuing to drift more and more?

Karra: I’m not quite sure what you mean.

Skip: well it’s 20……..what’s it? 21° off center right now?

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and it’s supposedly by some people’s calculations continuing to tip further and further and further?

Karra: no I don’t think so. There is a certain amount of truth to it that if you look at your planet, the axis, it does wobble and it will increase and it will decrease. To say 21° is an average…..

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Karra: it can be anywhere from 28 to 17°.

Skip: okay.

Karra: so certainly yes people are correct when they say that it does slide but if you were to think about it, let’s say that it was to tip all the way over so that they went from let’s say it was at zero and it rotated to 180 right? That means that the top part would get all the sunlight and the bottom part wouldn't get any sunlight. If you look at your archaeological records you will see no sign of that at all.

Skip: okay, okay because that stuck in my mind from when I was going to school, of course times have changed.

Karra: yes.

Skip: so has technology.

Karra: but the crust will slip and slide.

Skip: well that’s because it’s made out of plates.

Karra: yeah and it is possible that it could slip quite considerably but the axis will stay in the same place.

Skip: okay, all right that answered my question thank you.

Karra: but if you look at it kind of let’s say Antarctica and the South pole as the point, if that slips then it looks like the South pole has shifted when in actual fact it stays in the exact same place.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: within the normal wobble of your planet.

Skip: okay, all right. Because I remember that from school when they was talking about it. It’s the same people that have said that the warming of the planet is happening, in other words the alarmists.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay? The alarmists.

Karra: it is quite possible that your planet is warming but as Tia said it’s perfectly natural.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: now is it possible, because I know you guys have studied our planet for long time.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that the wobble occurred due to the comet hit that wiped out the dinosaurs?

Karra: it’s possible, it's possible. You’re talking about something that happened before we were here.

Russ: right.

Karra: we haven’t been watching that long. What’s it about 3 million years ago? Not three, 300 million years ago?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: a little bit before our time.

Skip: okay question on something like that, wouldn’t the gyro centrifugal force of this planet settle it back down after something struck it?

Karra: yes, I would say it would but I’m making a guess.

Skip: I mean that would make sense.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: that would be the law of physics really.

Karra: yes, I mean there is a certain amount of wobble if you watch a gyroscope…...

Skip: still left.

Karra: yeah but I think it is part of the natural phenomenon, your planet has been struck and hit so many times that it’s really hard to say.

Russ: interesting. Okay so then one more thing on disasters…..

Karra: cheerful subject huh?

Russ: cheerful indeed. The long-term economic and physical effects in the Central American region where this storm hit, any projections that you can offer off the top of your head dear?

Karra: banana prices will go up.

Russ: yeah I can imagine that would be true.

Karra: uh-huh. Probably quite a few of the products that come from that area the prices will go up.

Skip: yeah, because of supply and demand.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: it depends how much aid is sent. When you have an area that is focused on so few crops that are so easy to damage then you’ve got the problems. They don’t have the diverseability to chop and change from one product to another so there’s definitely severe problems there.

Skip: well isn't our coffee from there?

Karra: I think that’s farther South I believe.

Russ: yeah.

Skip: it's what?

Russ: it's a little further South, Colombia….

Karra: Columbia, Bolivia…..

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, I’ll be back.

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay.





(The Baron keeps us on track.)


The Baron: okay I am being splitting Mdm. Ambassador for reason that she have herb.......herbs to talk about?

Russ: oh yes.

The Baron: and also the fact that we have next speaker may be……..what is word? Word being talking a lot? And thinking deep.

Russ: wise.

The Baron: okay I am going so we put on your favorite friend.

Russ: excellent.

The Baron: one you think not focused but very focused ja?

Russ: ja.

The Baron: danka.






(Treebeard gets us to the end of side one.)


Treebeard: hmmm.

Russ: greetings Treebeard.

Treebeard: greetings Russ.

Russ: I'd like to introduce Skip.

Treebeard: greetings Skip. You have like Russ, you have shortened name?

Russ: uh-huh, nickname.

Skip: nickname.

The Baron: ahhh, like I have nickname also.

Skip: it’s not my proper name.

Treebeard: Treebeard is not mine either.

Skip: there you go.

Treebeard: okay I suppose I should answer your question Russ should I not?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: your question was…..

Russ: on the sentience of plants.

Treebeard: we did answer that one.

Russ: oh that’s right, this is the one afterwards.

Treebeard: okay as you cannot remember I will answer. In developing a higher understanding of the interaction with the harmony of the land being the rocks, the trees, the birds, the beings in the water, it is intertwined in such a way that we are being connected with all. If you look at the great trees and their root systems, the way that they probe deep within the land and connect with the land. There is a variety of tree that sends out many roots and from those roots will sprout forth younger trees out of the ground as if from seeds.

Russ: hmmm.

Treebeard: these continue and propagate over a wide area through one of these methods. The disbursement of their pods are being for wider disbursement, more for peripheral branches that have come above the ground. In looking at the nature of this plant, it is similar to your species on how it is weaved close together but spreads out from a central source. In observing the growth patterns of certain species of trees you will notice similarities in the behavioral patterns of your species and in the way that it develops its branching characteristics from a central source. If you were to look at other species of tree in your tropics, you will see that they send out above ground roots that tap into the ground and spread the tree in a similar way so that you have an immense tree. I see that I am being long-winded.

Russ: no not at all.

Treebeard: okay I answer, you ask.

Russ: okay, I saw an example of the last tree you mentioned down in Mexico, southern Mexico where I was just at and they’re called a mango…..and the tree…..or a mangrove……and the tree came out, stretched all the way to the ground in parts off of its trunk and big separate trunks came down to the ground and came into the ground and actually the tree would actually spread out as if it is on pillars.

(Ed. note: The tree in question was actually a banyan tree.)

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: a trunk will be held up by 4 or 5 pillars all the way across and it was just a huge, beautiful tree.

Treebeard: yes.

Russ: but the question I have is concerning our species being related to a tree and how it branches out from a central source.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: would the central source that you were mentioning then be the primates of our planet then?

Treebeard: yes, I would think that that would go without saying that the original individuals would be the original trunk and then all the myriad of other little trunks and branches being representing of moving to different locations migrating from the central source.

Russ: hmmm.

Treebeard: sorry, migrating is wrong word, migrating means to go from one point to another and then back again from that point back to the same point going backwards and forwards between two points is that correct?

Russ: correct.

Treebeard: a better word be immigrate?

Russ: uh-huh, much better. Okay, I'll wait on the next question, Skip?

Skip: no, I’m just listening.

Russ: okay, the other question I have was our species, if it goes back before the primates, goes to the almost the single cell amoebas of early, early times.

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: and that would more properly be linked to our trunk then as far as the roots I would assume then.

Treebeard: it depends on how far you wish to take the analogy.

Russ: hmm. Well the reason I say so is because that would put us more in touch with our planet.

Treebeard: yes but to think that you are not part of your planet as I said last time is wrong.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: to think that you are not natural as I said is very wrong.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: and in a court of discussion on theology, it would be conceived as condescending for your species to say that it is outside of the laws that govern nature.

Russ: uh-hmm.

Treebeard: or any species it would be wrong for them to say such a thing.

Russ: I see. So our living in harmony with our planet is something that we must come together on as a planetary people, not as individual states and countries.

Treebeard: yes and no. Individual states and countries and counties and cities can work individually towards the same goal from different points. Okay, moving to a more interesting field of discussion, we talked some time ago about entities you call devas? Davas, devas?

Russ: devas.

Treebeard: devas and how they perceive time. If you recall, I said that I would dwell upon this matter and I have. Devas are interesting entities in the fact that their time perception is unlike yours or mine. I perceive things as one event happening after another but to a deva all events happen simultaneously. Not only do they inhabit your world and their world but also many different universes all at the same time. I was asked recently about two devas in particularly. One is portrayed on your planet as having antlers of a deer and the other having a feminine form with a quiver and a bow. In the discussion I pointed out that they could be the same entity but, on further analyzing, my statement was incorrect and erroneous. The natures of the two entities are very different from each other. One is more of a protector and a nurturer whereas the other is more of a doer and a mover. So by looking at just these two you can see two very different devas acting in a way that is perceived in different effects. Now I am aware that there is a presence within your facility, the one that you have your channeling lessons within. Not in your domicile but within the compartment that you host your channeling lessons in. This presence is one with great curiosity. Now I sense that you do not sense the presence. If you relax a moment, close your eyes, let us see if you can sense this stealthfull presence. Young man, do you feel anything?

Russ: ummm.

Treebeard: you are not the young man. Young man.

Skip: no, not really.

Treebeard: youngest man.

Russ: just before you said that I had like a ringing in my ear on my right side.

Treebeard: the presence is......do you have a image? No you don’t do you? The ringing is more of the presence passing by.

Russ: ahh.

Treebeard: when I brought up devas, the presence came into the room.

Russ: oh.

Treebeard: it is a very thinking presence also with a very doing presence. Also within the presence is a feminine presence so it is my assumption that it was a feminine doing, thinking deva, I do not know what name it would go under or one that you would know of.

Russ: hmm.

Treebeard: on my world a similar deva is called Sunni?

Russ: hmm.

Treebeard: and Sunni was the deva of fishing using spears.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Treebeard: that is before we........that is an incorrect assumption, they are not deities.

Russ: ahhh.

Treebeard: but you think of them as deities?

Russ: well the names that they go by are deities of a earlier age when they are worshiped as such.

Treebeard: (Chuckles) so you would worship Tia’s offspring? (The Cubs.)

Russ: no.

Treebeard: they go under the same name.

Russ: correct but we don’t worship……well in some parts we still do…..those entities but as devas they’re not seen as devas, they're seen in those times as gods and goddesses.

Treebeard: I am understanding what you are talking about.

Russ: so they would have a mental image as well as a physical image that they could relate to to the deva when they made their sacrifices of grain or fruit.

Treebeard: hmm, some of the devas you are thinking of………



SIDE ONE ENDS





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SIDE TWO


(Treebeard returns to wrap up his time channeling.)


Treebeard: I understand.

Russ: well we also had many different cultures and the cultures would worship the same devas or deities but under different names.

Treebeard: hmm.

Russ: for example Diana would be Artemis…….

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: between the Celts the Romans.

Treebeard: Artemis is…..hmmm.

Skip: isn’t Diana the Huntress?

Russ: yeah Diana is the Huntress and Artemis is the Huntress. And then the Norse people of the Scandinavian or Norwegian areas had a similar deity who was also a huntress.

Skip: so did the Greeks.

Russ: that's correct.

Treebeard: hmm. Young man, you are much like I am, I am being forced to communicate. You think a lot and listen a lot before being hasty. This is a good thing, don’t you agree?.

Skip: I believe so.

Treebeard: it is like saying they have ears but do not listen?

Skip: can I give you a saying that’s kind of predominant on this planet?

Treebeard: certainly.

Skip: when your mouth's open your ears are out of gear.

Treebeard: interesting wording and construction, I will dwell upon it. Okay, more questions.

Russ: actually something about Skip, he has a tree that he is in tune with.

Treebeard: from Deneba I believe correctly, a great tree of many branches that has a great affinity. You did not warn him.

(From a previous life.)

Russ: oh no, I told him last week.

Treebeard: no you did not warn the young gentleman about my talent.

Russ: oh no I didn’t warn him about that. I was why give away all the good stuff?

Treebeard: sorry, that brings the nerve reaction to my face….

Russ: ahhh.

Treebeard: of a smile.

(We both get a chuckle out of that.)

Treebeard: you have done many things in your life, many at a tender age. One would think that some actions at a youthful age are foolish but in rushing to learn, it is sometimes best to learn when young so that you do not make those mistakes again. And from learning those mistakes and perceiving the mistakes that were made, you do not make the same mistakes as those that forced you to do the running. I think I’m being a little obtuse?

Skip: you’re doing just fine.

Treebeard: yes I get the impression that it is something you wish not to discuss with young ears.

Skip: no that’s no problem.

Treebeard: ahh, but it is necessary sometimes to review and to look at the frustration and feeling of inadequacy to understand the emotions of those that pushed you to those actions.

Skip: yeah.

Treebeard: and in doing so on understanding them you learn understanding for your own weaknesses.

Skip: uh-hmm, right.

Treebeard: and when dwelling and analyzing them you learn forgiveness for yourself, for those that put you in that situation and those that you have avoided putting in that situation so there is a chain event of being forced, dwelling and not doing to put someone in the same situation even though the situation made you who you are. It would be difficult to have more than one of yourself or myself. By putting people in the same situation….

Skip: they wouldn’t come out the same.

Treebeard: that is correct but the temptation to manipulate them to be of similar character.........okay I am being told to wrap up so I ask one more question............ask?

Skip: oh I’m sorry, go ahead Russ.

Russ: no, I’m going to……..Skip I’ll let you ask.

Skip: I think he’s pretty well fulfilled everything that I was thinking about.

Russ: okay, thank you Treebeard.

Treebeard: you’re welcome. Now I must go and dwell, I have been researching as you might of noticed……

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: your language.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: the reason I did not come last week was my friend helped me with speaking in your language. He says little but listens with his long ears well.





(The Baron gets us to the base commander.)


The Baron: the Baron: okay, we are getting back to business ja?

Russ: ja.

The Baron: and I put on last speaker and then we start to run short on disk ja?

Russ: okay.

The Baron: okay.





(Omal comes on to cover several topics.)


Omal: greetings and felicitations, greetings Skip, greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: how is everyone functioning?

Russ: quite well.

Omal: I see you were slightly remiss in your warnings about Treebeard’s ability.

Russ: perhaps there was a good reason for it.

Omal: yes.

Russ: I don’t know what it is but I’m sure there’s a good one.

Omal: Skip.

Skip: yes.

Omal: Treebeard is a natural prober, he will penetrate, slide, glide through, around, under, over, in through oblique angles people’s shields. Sometimes he will peel people shields. Notice that Russ went on a defensive posture almost immediately at the presence of Treebeard.

(That brings on a lot of laughter.)

Skip: didn’t bother me.

Omal: he is very gentle, that comes with great age as well.

Skip: okay I figured that.

Omal: his great, great, great, great, great, great grandniece is very less subtle. Russ, what is the analogy?

Russ: like a battering ram.

Omal: you know when she probes. (Bunny)

Russ: oh yeah.

Omal: she is as subtle as a rock being dropped. Okay, let’s get down to business. Tia’s dissertation, she has worded things very carefully, she covered the political turmoil of the Republican Party very well. It was briefer, it was shorter than I wanted but concise. I’m sure that if she had had more time she would of been able to elaborate in much more detail. Unfortunately I made the error of giving her a small disk. Her economic analyzing of the markets again was concise but said very little. She said nothing that is not printable. Her comments on your global climate problems again is of high quality, detailed as she does love the environment and full of useful information. She was quite correct in that she will get or you will get Russ a lot of mail concerning the fact of her statements. She will get a lot of flak for that.

Russ: oh well.

Omal: and I’m sure that she will have a rebuttal ready for when they start to come in. Knowing Tia, she will write one up and have it ready to go. Okay questions, let us open up the floor to answer.

Russ: all righty. I was speaking with Karra about the problems in Central America and the hurricane that came through there, one of the questions I have is concerning its ramifications toward the changes that are coming up on our earth and if there is any link to that being say for example a key to a new defcon level or something that could be looked at in that way.

Omal: well the most recent storm to hit the Midwest and the Great Plains is being watched very carefully. It has the potential to be a very devastating storm however, within your Continental USA there has to be two more very similar within the week, natural problems of a large scale plus the stock market problems and the civil disobedience. I do not see this happening just yet.

Russ: hmm........okay, good.

Skip: does that mean that we’re stepping down from……

Omal: no.

Skip: okay, all right.

Omal: mostly or partly due to the fact that if we do step down, then people will become lax and when certain events that are projected to happen........which I’m still waiting to hear back from, from the Council.........happen, it could catch us and you in an awkward situation. The words would be flat-footed?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: and we really don’t want that. It is better to be in a state of semi-heightened readiness so that you can jump one way or the other. If we were to increase the level prematurely, then you would be in a position where you would be coiled and ready for action for when it happened, then when it did not happen, it would be wasted…..

Skip: and a big letdown.

Omal: and a big letdown and make us appear unreliable in our information releases.

Skip: then we continue to stockpile our food?

Omal: yes I would suggest that you do but not as frantically. If it is done gradually, it is not such a fiscal drain as if done frantically and hastily which if it is done hastily and frantically then sometimes you get things that you really don’t need and miss things that you do.

Skip: well doing it frantically like that, wouldn't that start setting off a….

Omal: yes.

Skip: panic?

Omal: yes.

Skip: because people see you doing it, they would start doing it and it would just generate a complete total panic.

Omal: in certain situations definitely yes.

Skip: okay.

Omal: but if you do it frantically and panicly, then you tend to get things that aren’t really necessary or useful.

Skip: or overdo it.

Omal: yes so it is better to do it in a leisurely way but with purpose.

Skip: Mark, the young man, taught me how to do dehydration of foods so that they could be stored more in less space.

Omal: that is a very useful function, dehydrating food is……..certainly it does give you the protein necessary at the appropriate times, I do not know what the shelf life is on certain commodities though.

Skip: as long as, this is my opinion okay? As long as it’s kept in a sealed container I believe it’s indefinite.

Omal: I would not know however I have reason to believe that certain stuffings that were used about three to 4,000 years ago did turn out to be still edible although I would not recommend devouring them.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: but our shelf life wouldn’t go any longer than our lives period.

Omal: no true. I was just dwelling upon a joke I overheard that your military is still issuing food labeled 1918, is that correct?

Skip: I don’t think it’s quite that far back.

Omal: I believe it was said in humor.

Skip: okay but I can give you a for example.

Omal: okay.

Skip: I was in the service from ‘49 to ‘52, I was stationed in Fairbanks Alaska. For Christmas we got turkeys that were froze, which is a bird, domestic bird that we eat……

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: the boxes were labeled 1945.

Russ: so four years old?

Skip: five.

Russ: five.

Skip: five or six, frozen meat.

Omal: hmm, that is something I would not recommend.

Skip: the military does a lot of things that people don’t recommend.

Omal: yes.

(They both get a chuckle out of that.)

Skip: K-rations are……okay let me see if I can give you kind of a thumbnail view here. K-rations in the service were dry rations, they were dehydrated…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: biscuits. I don’t know what all was in them but the biscuits been called hard tack ever since the Civil War. You eat one hard tack biscuit and drink a pint of water and you’re full.

Omal: ahh.

Skip: okay? They’re a dehydrated biscuit. On the other hand C-rations were canned food that were a meal in a box.

Omal: uh-huh okay.

Skip: now them canned foods or C-rations as they were called were originally packed in 1941. They’d been continuously packed up until I believe '65 so you don’t know whether you’re getting 1941
C-rations or 1965 C-rations.

Omal: so the joke was an exaggeration I take it.

Skip: no it was not an exaggeration, maybe a little. But military rations are stored in warehouses for the day and time when they're needed……

Omal: yes.

Skip: the same as ammunition and guns and so on and so forth because they’re not perishable, that's was what I was trying to get at.

Omal: yes non-perishable.

Skip: non-perishable items.

Omal: okay.

Russ: now our storage abilities from various places has increased with our technology.

Omal: yes.

Skip: true.

Russ: and we’re seeing stuff that’s considered gourmet food that’s dehydrated and can last for many, many years.

Skip: that’s correct. Now if you dehydrate food and vacuum pack it, it extends the life almost double.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: so if you were to say that your dried food, dehydrated food would have a life expectancy of 10 years, if you were to dehydrate it that makes it 20 years.

Skip: if you vacuum seal it after it’s dehydrated......

Omal: uh-hum.

Skip: then it increases the life double, shelf life.

Omal: so you would have to decide how long it would be advisable to keep dried food, dehydrated food and then vacuum seal it so that it increases the life expectancy exponentially to……

Skip: almost indefinitely according to our time in life.

Omal: yes.

Skip: okay?

Russ: now as I understand it, food can be kept indefinitely but its food value is substantially less than that……

Omal: yes.

Russ: its ability to nourish you.

Skip: you lose the vitamins, nutritions and proteins from it, that’s why it’s vacuum sealed. If it’s sealed in just a regular container, the air will draw that off.

Omal: that is correct.

Skip: but by vacuum sealing it, you don’t allow the air to get to it. That’s where they’re coming up with this double life on vacuum sealing dehydrated food.

Russ: so that’s nitrogen packed in other words?

Skip: no it’s just removing the air from it.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: it’s completely, well you’ve seen the….

Russ: how could you remove the air from it, wouldn’t you still have the air molecules wouldn’t you?

Skip: yeah but you wouldn’t have the outside air drawing from them molecules, see what I mean? Does that makes sense?

Russ: sort of.

Skip: because you can get vacuum sealers now for home.

Omal: it might be a good investment.

Skip: they’re not that expensive.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: okay let us continue, we are……

Skip: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt.

Omal: that is quite all right. How much do we have on your recording?

Russ: half of the backside, well a little under half.

Omal: okay, we have plenty of time.

Skip: Omal, the only thing that I’m going to be in a tizzy about….

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: is if this all happens, is where am I going to get cigarettes?

(Skip starts laughing over the potential hardship.)

Omal: actually that is not so much of a joke.

Skip: tobacco products is very habit-forming?

Omal: yes and very tradable.

Skip: yes they are, yes they are.

Omal: another trade good.

Russ: hmm, but don’t they have a shelf life too?

Omal: I would not know.

Skip: okay let me put it this way, the Navy developed a shelf life for tobacco, it’s wrapped in waxed paper and sealed. Civilian cigarettes aren’t, none of the civilian tobacco products are wrapped in waxed paper and sealed.

Russ: hmm, so what’s the shelf life on tobacco that’s been waxed papered and sealed? For trade good wise.

Skip: well a pack of cigarettes……..okay let me take for instance a pack of cigarettes, they’re sealed in plastic but they're not sealed. How can I say this? Plastic’s wrapped around them and they're heated and basically they're protected from moisture.

Omal: it is not a perfect seal.

Skip: that’s right, they still breathe air.

Russ: okay.

Skip: so consequently your tobacco can dry out.

Russ: so you don’t get the same effects if it’s dried out?

Skip: no, no, in fact it’ll fall apart on you. It’ll fall apart and taste terrible. A dried cigarette and a fresh cigarette is the difference between day and night for a smoker.

Russ: so a fresh cigarette would be worth its weight in gold after…..

Skip: yes it is, yes it is.

Russ: if there was a mass shortage of cigarettes I assume.

Skip: that’s correct. So if you would take.....say you bought a case of cigarettes which is a 100 cartons and you took them out and you wrapped them and vacuum sealed them so they couldn’t dry out, you could store them from now on and they wouldn’t dry out.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: you would have a trading product like Omal said, a commodity that you could trade down the road for anything because somebody would give the right arm for a pack of cigarettes. And this is the truth, tobacco is one of the highest trading things out there, that and alcohol.

Omal: that is correct. In the Russian republics they are traded.

Russ: oh really?

Skip: tobacco and alcohol.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: now if it comes to a civil war, the next highest thing to be traded is ammunition.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: not necessarily guns but ammunition because not everybody reloads their own ammunition.

Russ: true. So not food, not water but cigarettes and….

Skip: no you can find food and water, believe it or not you can find food and water.

Russ: okay.

Skip: but you cannot manufacture ammunition unless you have the parts to do it with.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: and you can’t grow tobacco in a wasteland.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: and if you don’t know how to make alcohol you're going to pay for it.

Russ: interesting, now that’s a new route I hadn’t even thought of.

Skip: these are commodities that are very, very, very valuable.

Omal: that is correct and the people that know how to manufacture alcohol, ammunition and tobacco are highly sought-after.

Skip: I could do two of them, I’m in the wrong area to grow tobacco.

Omal: so what would be the option, trade the alcohol?

Skip: for the tobacco?

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: yep.

Omal: and trade the tobacco for……

Skip: ammunition. But see I make the ammunition, as long as I can get my hands on the brass cases and the primers I can make ammunition because I can make the powder.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: it might not be as excellent quality as manufactured powder but it does work.

Omal: you may have to clean more often.

Skip: yes, black powder is very, very corrosive.

Omal: okay, I am also being told to wrap up.

Skip: I’m sorry.

Omal: that is all right.

Russ: thank you Omal, you touched on some good stuff we can look at and plan for.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Omal: live long, prosper and I’ll be back.

Skip: thank you, have a good evening.

Omal: I will.





(The Baron makes his final hand off of the night.)


Skip: a lot of people don’t even think about them three items.

Russ: I had no clue whatsoever, just because I don’t….

Skip: you don’t smoke.

Russ: really don’t do much drinking, don’t smoke.

Skip: and you drink that much.

Russ: I don’t plan on shooting a whole lot of people.

Skip: the only time that ammunition is going to be valuable is if we get to a point where we have to hunt our own food or we’re within a civil war.

The Baron: ja.

Russ: hmm.

The Baron: okay I am putting on last person?

Skip: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

The Baron: danke schön.





(Karra is the last speaker for the session.)


Karra: okay, where was I? Herbology. Okay as we lost the recording last week………

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: yes we did.

Karra: let’s cover mint. Okay, now mint is used to flavor and season food, it also has certain healing capabilities. It is a blood purifier, it is a calmative especially if drunken in tea which makes it a sedative, a mild sedative. It is an antispasmodic and it also helps with menstrual flow which you guys don’t need to know about but for the Internet would be useful. Now, depending on what type of mint you use depends on the strength of the stimulation for the menstrual flow. There are certain ones that you want to avoid if you’re pregnant. Making tea from fresh Penny Royal mint and using the oils is a no-no, absolute no-no in pregnant women. The lesser mints can be drunk in minor levels as long as there is not a chance of miscarriage. Okay moving along to rosemary, now we discussed Rosemary last week as well and let’s have a look here and see what happened.

Russ: oh yes, our experiment.

Karra: our experiment, what do you think?

Skip: well it’s cleared up quite a bit.

Russ: yeah, it looks better.

Karra: but there are some new ones that have appeared.

Skip: yeah but they’re not as bad as......

Karra: no, there’s a new one.

Skip: that original one was.

Karra: yeah. Okay, next week if I have time I will show you how to make a poultice.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: using tobacco, another use for tobacco…

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: rosemary……I’ll tell you what I will need. Water, not very much of it, tobacco, rosemary, a clean cloth, a little bit of flour which will help to bind everything together, what else do I need? I don’t think you can get fresh tobacco can you?

Russ: no, just the stuff off of cigarettes.

Karra: yeah, that will have to work. Preferably cigarettes that don’t have additives in them.

Russ: so like pipe tobacco or…..

Skip: no filters.

Russ: no it’s got additives though.

Karra: yeah something that doesn’t encourage the burning.

Russ: right.

Skip: oh that doesn’t have the glycerine in it.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: oh, Bull Durham, I think that’s what? Ten cents a sack, maybe a quarter now? There’s nothing added to Bull Durham.......

Karra: okay.

Skip: it’s flake
tobacco.

Karra: yeah what I will do is I will show you how to make a basic poultice and what we will do is we will tie it to the leg over if we have another area that’s infected, we’ll place it over there and if there is two of them, we will use one as the control and one as the area that we’ll work on.

Skip: uh-huh......

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay.

Karra: okay now, this is the first and the last time I’m going to make a plug.

Russ: a plug?

Karra: yes a plug. http://ww.healthCentral.com.

(Ed. note: It is actually https://www.healthcentral.com/.)

Russ: hmm, okay.

Karra: that’s the first and last time I’m going to make a plug. It’s a very useful, health research link.

Russ: well this doesn’t have to be the last time, you can find something else useful like that, feel free to plug it away.

Karra: oh I’ve got to believe strongly as a healer before I will make a plug, I’ve got to research it.

Russ: okay, well I’ll start my research too then.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, questions.

Skip: yes darling.

Karra: uh-huh?

Skip: I got one. How do I……forget it, that’s wrong.

Karra: well ask the question and then we’ll analyze it. If you’ve got a question, hold it up by the ears.

Skip: well I was trying to help a young lady….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and I can’t seem to make contact with her, I’ve lost her someplace. I don’t know how to reestablish that contact.

Karra: first of all I would say not to worry about it because she has to be ready in her own time and if you worry about it, you get that knot in your stomach and you get all uptight and what good does that do? Listen to Auntie Karra.

Skip: I still want to help her and….

Karra: wanting to help is a great desire.

Skip: I’m sorry?

Karra: wanting to help is a great desire.

Skip: I know.

Karra: but they’ve also got to want to be healed.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: there are few ways around it.

Skip: I got a good start on her then......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I lost her.

Karra: yeah, it happens.

Russ: well you can do that private detective thing for $79.00, they'll find anybody.

(Skip starts laughing.)

Karra: but there are very subtle ways to help somebody become healed. I’m the mistress of subtlety.

Skip: you’re a coercer huh?

Karra: sorry?

Skip: you’re a coercer.

Karra: no I’m not, I’m just a healer but I’m very subtle sometimes. For example, making a poultice, well we definitely know that these need healing right?

Skip: yes they do.

Karra: uh-huh so, how do we get him to get them healed without tying him down screaming and shouting? Well,  I’ve got the perfect answer, we use them to show something working.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: now as I understand it, you can use poultices to pull things out from inside your body too.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: that’s correct.

Russ: so it doesn’t even show on the outside.

Skip: that’s correct.

Russ: how the heck does that work?

Skip: I can’t explain it no more than I can explain this.

Karra: it’s to do with the…..for example, tobacco is very useful agent, it helps to draw tremendously and that is part of the reason why we’re going to use tobacco in the poultice. I know you can’t get any tree fern to use so we're going to have to do without that a little bit.

Skip: so you make do with what you’ve got.

Karra: that’s right but I can give you a whole list of ideas to make poultices and stuff. Now, I’ve got one, basic battlefield medicine. You have a broken arm, you don’t have anything to make a cast. You have two pieces of wood for the splint and some rope, how do you make a cast?

Russ: mud.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and your undershirt.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: rip it in shreds and smear it with mud, you can make a hell of a cast by putting the two sticks and tying it together.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: or if you have access to clay……

Karra: uh-huh, clay is just as good.

Skip: in fact it’s better….

Karra: yes, better.

Skip: because as it dries out, it’ll get harder than hell.

Karra: uh-huh, it will keep the strength longer.

Russ: what about leather? What if you wet it down and then let it dry?

Karra: ooohhhh.

Skip: no it shrinks.

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh, well I mean if you put it around the wood, it wouldn’t hold…

Skip: it would pull the wood into the arm.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: it will shrink, leather shrinks real badly when it dries out.

Karra: now the only time that you want to do that is if it is a severe, clean break.

Skip: compound fracture.

Karra: yeah, it’s the only time that you’ll do something like that for the simple reason that lets say the bone’s sticking up like this but it’s a clean break. You wrap it and as it dries…..

Skip: it will pull it back in.

Karra: pull it back together.

Russ: ooohhh I see.

Karra: that’s the only time that you do that.

Russ: so know how to use though.

Karra: uh-huh and I don’t want you to even think about doing it for anything else.

Skip: now, can I interrupt you just a minute darling.

Karra: certainly.

Skip: if in your survival equipment, if you will put one pound box of plaster of Paris, there’s many, many uses for it and casts are one of it.

Karra: uh-huh, making molds……

Skip: repairs.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: all kinds of things plaster of Paris is good for.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: now, using mud…..

Skip: mud works great.

Karra: uh-huh however there is the infection factor so what you do with the mud?

Russ: boil it?

Karra: uh-huh if you have time, if not, you put lots of sulfur on the wound.

Skip: one other thing you can do I believe, now maybe I’m going to be wrong but if you’re in a area where you can get a hold of outside broadleaf flowers…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: you can use them leaves underneath the mud and the infection won't go into the arm.

Karra: uh-huh but I was just thinking of something else as well that made me chuckle, something else that will help to sterilize the wound, alcohol again.

Skip: yes, again alcohol yeah......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: that'll sterilize the wound.

Karra: so we’ve covered…..

Russ: tobacco and alcohol.

Skip: tobacco and alcohol.

Karra: the one ingredient for what?

Skip: for trade.

Karra: sulfur.

Skip: for trade.

Karra: sulfur.

Skip: sulfur? Sulfur, powdered sulfa. Now wait a minute, sulfur in its pure form is poisonous…

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: you need sulfa drug.

Karra: uh-huh, that’s correct.

Skip: because it's mixed.

Karra: but what can you use sulfur for?

Skip: you can burn it, you can decontaminate areas with it…….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: you can anchor bolts with it to hold down machinery, you can mix it with charcoal and........

Russ: potassium?

Skip: potassium sulfate to make gunpowder.

Karra: that’s the one I was looking for.

Skip: (laughs) in other words there’s many, many uses for sulfur.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now what about honey?

Skip: honey is one of your most natural sweeteners out there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought it’s good for healing too.

Skip: it is good for healing and it’s good for tea.

Russ: for burns and cut and scrapes.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: for internal colds, lungs problems, sore throat…..

Karra: it’s a great healing agent, that’s one of the things as I do my things on herbs….

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: actually one of the best honeys is probably clove honey.

Skip: yeah clover honey yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: natural clover honey. Now…..

Russ: so keeping a stock of that would be good too.

Skip: now wait a minute, honey is a perishable item.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: if you keep honey too long it solidifies.

Russ: you can’t like heat it and make it back to…..

Skip: yes you can but every time you heat it solidifies a little harder and it's a little harder to bring it back.

Russ: so it's kind of like amber almost.

Skip: yes, yes, yes. I got a pound jar of honey in my refrigerator, it’s solid, I can't even stick a spoon in there. I have to take the lid off and stick it in the microwave to get it to go back to liquid form. And to mix water with it, you're destroying the properties of the honey.

Karra: uh-huh, you’re contaminating it.

Skip: yep.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: okay we're getting close to time I believe, can we check?

Skip: I’m sorry honey, I didn’t mean to….

Karra: no, no, no, no, that’s all right.

Skip: I’m running my fat mouth tonight.

Russ: no that’s quite handy actually.

Karra: uh-huh. It’s like I’ve said in the past, when we have a group of healers together, we can discuss all sorts of things.

Skip: we get carried away.

Russ: well I’m thinking okay so it turns into solid and that’s fine so you break off a piece, heat it up, use it for what your needs are…..

Skip: right.

Russ: and you just put the rest of it back where you had it.

Skip: well usually honey comes packed in jars….

Russ: right.

Skip: plastic or glass.

Russ: or cans if you buy in bulk.

Skip: oh yeah if you buy it in bulk you buy it in cans. Once you rip open that can or rip open the plastic jar or get into a regular glass jar you’ll break it to get out of there. You’re going to have to find a different container to put it in and be careful of glass if it’s in a glass jar. I’d recommend you don’t buy it in glass jars.

Russ: can you vacuum seal it?

Skip: no, it’s too sticky.

Russ: it’s too sticky to vacuum.

Karra: uh-huh, to vacuum seal.

Skip: the consistency is solid but it's still sticky. It's like taking a piece of chocolate in your hand, it’s solid isn’t it? But your hand gets all sticky from the chocolate. One other thing about your tobacco young lady….

Karra: uh-huh, thank you.

Skip: bee and hornet stings….

Karra: oh yes, that was one that I was thinking of, it’s a good thing to draw out those stingers.

Skip: it pulls out the stinger and pulls out the poison.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: wet tobacco....

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and it doesn’t make any difference if it’s got glycerin in it or not.

Karra: no it doesn’t. I prefer not to use any…….

Skip: I understand, I understand that.

Karra: any contaminants.

Skip: if, in your supplies, if you'll put two, three, four, five bags of Bull Durham and Bull Durham never goes bad because there’s no additives in the tobacco.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: it’s flake tobacco and it’s packed in these little, look like little cloth bags with a drawstring at the top of them. They breathe, they’ve breathed since the day they were packed.

Russ: hmmm okay.

Skip: so they will not go bad because it’s flake tobacco. Anything that’s got glycerin in it will dry out, cigarettes, pipe tobacco.

Russ: so we need bull Durham and let’s see for our poultices next week........

Karra: I’ve got to chuckle because you know my thing about cigarettes.

Skip: yes I do.

Karra: and yet I’m using tobacco.

Russ: yep.

Skip: honey there’s so many different ways to use natural products.

Karra: oh yes, yes I'm just…...

Skip: just because some of us figured out a way to inhale it……

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: doesn’t make it all bad.

Karra: oh no, no, no I’m just teasing, I’m just stating……

Skip: I know you are, I know you are.

Karra: it’s like anything, there’s a good and bad to it.

Skip: that’s right, that’s right.

Russ: okay, so we need Bull Durham, we need flour……..



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