SIDE
ONE
(Tia comes on after hearing of
something said about her.)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Russ: yeah, I don't blame you darling.
Tia: bubbleheaded harebrain?
Russ: silly, bubble brained airhead.
Tia: ha.
Russ: but obviously it is strictly a personal thing
between him and my opinion.
Tia: which proves my point, he believes that we
exist, and we do.
Russ: of question you do.
Tia: well, I think I do, I hope I do.
Russ: you exist, it's just he can't see you or touch
you or feel you...
Tia: I wouldn't want him to.
Russ: all he can do is hear you.
Tia: uh-huh.
Tia: and the only tape that he's heard of me is when
I was being very silly.
Russ: yeah. And when if talking to somebody on the
telephone, how do I know that's the person of
talking to?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I've never talked to them before so it's a
question of trust and belief and, there we come to
the essence of what this is all about.
Tia: astral travel.
Russ: go ahead.
Tia: you want me to give a dissertation?
Russ: sure Tia.
Tia: okay, now, the purpose of astral travel is to
be able to travel with one's astral body from point
A to point B and then return from point B to point
A. The method of doing this is up to the individual.
Whether you travel there by using your mind's eye to
see things like remote viewing or whether you travel
there in your astral form. Now, traveling there in
your astral form is easier than using your mind's
eye and how you do this is by:
A, relaxing until your body feels totally relaxed.
B, by lying down in a nice, comfortable position.
C, you take ten deep breaths.
If you wish, you can embellish it by having switches
on your legs, and your feet, and your knees, and
your hips and draining the energy.
D, you feel your body getting lighter, and lighter,
and lighter until it separates.
Now some people find various artificial aids very
useful such as a few drinks. Personally, I don't
need any drinks or other artificial aids. Mainly
because I'm a natural talent. But for those people
that are not natural talents and have to work at it,
then artificial aids are useful. However, they do
subtract from the experience because they give you a
lack of energy to manipulate and also take away your
desire and finally, they also affect your ability
and being able to focus on one thing at a time. The
things with artificial stimuli to help you with
farsighting is that your mind wants to go there,
there, there, there, all over the place and this is
not the way to do it. The way to do it is by
gradually extending your ability once you have
achieved astral travel. Now sometimes your guides
will help you but they also understand that it is
necessary for you to experience this on your own so
you can learn from it and figure out how you did it.
Now, do you have some questions?
Russ: yeah. Now then, for a person who is traveling
in this planetary sphere here.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and going to various places......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: how would that person be able to determine
whether he or she could have imagined it or whether
it is a visual astral projection?
Tia: well, the way that you do that is by starting
off simply. As we explained to........who was it? I
think it was your friend Laura and Mark's friend
Laura that.......no, it wasn't. It was to Richard
and what you do is you start in one room and travel
to another room having somebody set up something in
the other room that was not there when you were in
there last. And by that you realize that that
experience was real. Then you go a little bit
further. You go down your road and describe a
vehicle parked outside a house. You go down and
check out that information. Then, you go a little
bit further still. Maybe down past two roads that
pour into the one road that you're traveling down.
And you count how many cars are down there and you
allow for plus or minus factor of two, cars coming
and going.
Russ: uh-huh, okay. Now, on the issue of artificial
stimuli....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: assisting with astral projection.....
Tia: we've already stated that the only thing that
can really do it is what's in here, the gray matter.
Russ: now then, with this in mind, wouldn't it be
able to be something that you would tell an
apprentice farsighter that once or something will
help to give you kind of a little jumpstart?
Tia: hmm, it's only a temporary jumpstart.
Russ: right, but I mean oftentimes that's the
perfect thing for....
Tia: not often, no, it's not because a dependency is
formed almost immediately for that to be used in an
aid in astral travel. How hard was it for you to
continue astral traveling after you had quit your
habit?
Russ: not too hard.
Tia: well, you must be an exception to the rule. For
some people it is extremely hard and that loss of
the capability is an overwhelming urge to take
artificial substances to help you.
Russ: actually, I seem to be doing a lot better.
Tia: yes, but you are progressing more rapidly now.
Things are becoming more clear and more focused. As
a rule, when you indulge in a substance, it becomes
a dependency to use that substance when you astral
travel to help you.
Russ: it is much, much harder actually.
Tia: no, I'm saying as a rule.
Russ: oh, okay.
Tia: as a rule.
Russ: well, I'm not gonna go back to it.
Tia: no, but you'll find the long run's more
beneficial.
Russ: well, I can't give up clarity.
Tia: well, you're in control, you are having more
desire, more drive than you used to.
Russ: okay, so keeping away from those influences is
working fortunately.
Tia: exactly and I've had enough of lecturing. I'm
not going to lecture anymore, not tonight.
Russ: okay. So tell me Tia.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: first off, for no apparent reason for it,
Oddball and what's her name have been going at it.
Tia: what's her name? It is because A, there is a
telepathic communication that I can read, no there
wasn't any. All cats have a telepathic communication
capability.
Russ: so what was that?
Tia: no, there wasn't any between Joey and the gray
mischief maker and the reason why is because you
have in a pack, you have an alpha male and an alpha
female. And who wants to be the alpha female?
Russ: Joey.
Tia: no she does not. It is a common occurrence for
an older cat to be relaxed and want to be left alone
and a more dominant feline or female will attack
that older cat because that older cat doesn't want
to fight, does not want to have any aggravation
because it is an older cat. It's not as young as it
once was. So, the younger cat will attack the older
cat for no reason except to establish its dominance
over that cat.
Russ: you guys aren't exactly getting along either.
I was just wondering because I couldn't figure out
why. I mean it's a cat......
Tia: oh, you're on about Athena's cat.....
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: Pegasus.
Russ: yeah, that's right, Pegasus.
Tia: yeah, Pegasus. No, the reason is that I will be
working or thinking or lying down and it will drive
its pinions into my leg or my little posterior. And
on one occasion whilst I was still feeding it it
drove its pinions into my breasts and it hurt like
crazy. And its sort of like no more, it wants to
climb on me. It also leaves little messages all over
the place. Well it doesn't anymore, it's house
trained, broken.
Russ: right.
Tia: and it sleeps in their room with them.
Russ: fair enough.
Tia: uh-huh. So there is no longer that struggle
with a cat trying to drive its pinions into me,
broke it of that.
Russ: well good, glad to hear it. Can you tell me
about the bond between yourself and Carrie or is
that......
Tia: that's between Carrie and myself.
Russ: okay. Are you gonna tell Carrie about the
bond?
Tia: yes, but not with your recording device on so
you can hear it. And yes, I will tell her what I
said to her.
Russ: good.
Tia: uh-huh. Or rather I'll waken it up.
Russ: oh.
Tia: and no, you won't be in the room.
Russ: why?
Tia: because you're inquisitive.
Russ: me? Never been inquisitive in my entire life.
This is a first.
Tia: in that case, I'm an earthling.
Russ: now with your abilities as an advanced and as
developed as they are....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: do you feel like you are yourself a gifted
kind of Durondedunn?
Tia: no.
Russ: okay. So, your abilities at astral projection
aren't that unusual?
Tia: no more unusual on your planet than twins, no,
triplets. Unusual yes, but not that unusual.
Russ: and your ability to PK?
Tia: yes, that was unusual.
Russ: ahh, okay. So you were sort of a gifted child
you might say?
Tia: no. Because if I had let it out that I had the
capability to move things, what did I say? As you
would say your planet, I would have been burned at a
stake.
Russ: ahh.
Tia: preferably medium rare. No, better still, raw.
Russ: well, what's interesting, and this might not
be an answerable question, I don't know, since we're
just dealing with theories and stuff....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but when you look at the fact that you with
these abilities made it to Hades Base and then you
met Mark and his abilities....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: that's a lot of coincidences I'd say. Now, do
you believe in a fate then or a destiny that's
guiding both of you toward a certain path or
following a predetermined route?
Tia: I don't know.
Russ: you've never questioned it?
Tia: yes, I've questioned it and I never could come
up with an answer that is satisfactory one way or
the other.
Russ: well I mean, do you believe in accidents or
coincidences?
Tia: accidents I believe in because in because
accidents do happen.
Russ: right.
Tia: coincidences? Yes, I believe in that because
coincidences do happen. It's hard to sit down and
debate, it, it's hard to.
Russ: okay, well then let's take the theory of odds
which goes something like what are the odds of all
this stuff?
Tia: I don't know. Because it goes around and around
and around in circles and you can't come up with an
answer that is satisfactory.
Russ: fair enough then.
Tia: and don't think of asking Omal or Korton or
anybody else because they will tell you that is an
individual's opinion.
Russ: no, not so much an individual's opinion, it's
more a social opinion.
Tia: no, you're making a rash statement there.
Russ: no, actually I'm making a very logical
statement.
Tia: have you absolute proof that everything is
destined to be? That it is step by step your life is
laid out before you? No.
Russ: I don't believe that's true.
Tia: why?
Russ: well, for one thing...........
Tia: all the planning that goes on in your period in
between lives nothing is left to chance. In my
opinion that's a load of tosh.
Russ: but if I can get proof, would that help?
Tia: how?
Russ: well, I suppose it would have to be between
lives to find out, wouldn't it?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: well, there's a way to do that.
Tia: by doing a regression.
Russ: yeah.
Tia: but that is a matter of opinion. There is so
much information and time that you cannot cram it
into a regression time.
Russ: yes you could.
Tia: no you couldn't.
Russ: sure you could. What you do is........
Tia: you leave out parts because it is necessary
because your body cannot take twenty or thirty years
of dormancy being in a regression stage.
Russ: yes you can.
Tia: your body.....
Russ: yes it can.
Tia: oh, by pressing the fast-forward and rewind?
That is....
Russ: yeah.
Tia: which gives you nothing. It gives you selected
pieces.
Russ: that's all you need.
Tia: no you don't because it doesn't give you the
whole entire picture.
Russ: it gives you enough of a picture to complete
the rest. A montage to complete a single focus. All
you need is the specific important periods between
lives to give you the basics of what happens when
you're dead. Unless you can think of a better way.
Tia: tell me, what's this picture of? Look closer,
tell me what it's of.
Russ: well, that is a picture of Disneyland and that
is a picture of Mark's.....
Tia: you're going from memory, aren't you?
Russ: of course not.
Tia: you've seen that picture.
Russ: no, I'm going what it shows all around. I see
her leg and there's a particular part about
Disneyland I've seen before and so I can assume then
that that is a picture of Disneyland and Mark's
Plumb. Plumb is in there, that is a picture of Plumb
at Disneyland.
Tia: can you be 100% sure that that is?
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: it's actually a picture of his brother and his
cousin Plumb. But that wasn't the whole picture. You
see, you missed out on a very important part.
Russ: Plumb hides his brother, see?
Tia: yeah, but that's just as important. You were
going from memory so don't pull the wool over my
eyes.
(Russ laughs)
Tia: you were going from memory.
Russ: hey, I got the Disneyland part, didn't I? From
looking at that little part, right? To be able to
pick up the fact that that is Disneyland.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: which is a part of the whole.
Tia: but you missed the most important part.
Russ: his brother?
Tia: his brother and cousin. You just said cousin on
her own which could've gone quite easy with another
picture you see. You see, you know the fact that
most of these pictures here were at Disneyland,
correct?
Russ: oh yeah, I remember most of them.
Tia: exactly. So, it was very easy to deduct?
Russ: you just proved my point though. In fact, you
proved my point better than I could've ever have
proved my point.
Tia: okay, that's a one out of let's say we do
three.
Russ: well it won't matter because of the fact that
the point's already been proven.
Tia: it hasn't been proven.
Russ: it has been proven. Do you want to know how?
Tia: how?
Russ: the fact that okay, I look at a little part of
a picture and can tell a portion of what the picture
represents.
Tia: okay, how about this one then? What's this
picture?
Russ: that's a picture of Joey. See?
Tia: absolutely wrong. Okay, what about this picture
here? Really haven't got a good enough cross-section
of pictures here to do it with. Limited in subject
matter. Okay, what's this?
Russ: sunset in Tahoe.
Tia: nope.
Russ: I got the sunset part.
Tia: it's not actually.
Russ: it's sunrise?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: no, it's sunset.
Tia: ask Mark when he gets back. In fact there's a
very good clue in that to say the reason why it's
sunrise.
Russ: because the ocean's not there?
Tia: no.
Russ: what?
Tia: because if I think this is correct, this is
Napa Valley and it's got fog in it.
Russ: oh.
Tia: okay. Now, explain your theory.
Russ: okay.
Tia: and remember, that is all it is.
Russ: I'm not claiming this is to be God's honest
truth.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I'm merely trying to find out a way to
determine how to achieve the truth. Now, if you show
me a partial picture of Disneyland....
Tia: uh-huh, somewhere that you already knew.
Russ: somewhere that I already knew, correct.
Tia: uh-huh and well I believe.
Russ: quite well actually.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. But, there's many other places on this
planet that could look the exact same as the little
bitty parts you showed me.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: New Orleans, parts of Chicago.
Tia: yes, and so on, come on.
Russ: okay, now, seeing the little portion that is
there.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and knowing what the pictures were of....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: gave me the clues that I needed to be able to
put together what a portion of the whole
represented.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: now, in looking at a person's life between
lives......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: were I to look at a small portion......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: of what takes place between that life, I would
be able to deduce a portion of what the whole
represents.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and therefore would be able to establish a
working grounds for which to advance those studies
and at least be able to put forth a knowledgeable
idea of what takes place.
Tia: uh-huh I come up with something that could be
totally and utterly wrong. You've got to remember
that you're dealing with out of the three pictures
that I showed you, you only got one right.
Russ: okay.
Tia: and one totally wrong and one a slight hint of
possibility that turned out to be absolutely wrong
as well.
Russ: right.
Tia: so, you look at the period in between lives and
you say for example, okay,
"we're going to plan out a whole entire life
meticulously little detail by little detail".
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: and that is what you're saying.
Russ: well look at it this way.......
Tia: leaving nothing to absolute chance.
Russ: you obviously don't remember what happened
between the third and fifth dimension.
Tia: no, I was in cold storage.
Russ: right. And your brain wasn't really operating
at it's usual performance at that point.
Tia: no.
Russ: and you have no idea what was going on with
you at that time.
Tia: no.
Russ: okay.
Tia: apart from an incredible pain when I screwed up
and then incredible pain when I woke up.
Russ: absolutely. Okay, now, can we assume then that
you did have let's say a subconscious knowledge of
who and what you were in prior lives?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and......
Tia: do you think I would plan that?
Russ: yes.
Tia: to take pain and suffering and inflict it upon
my family?
Russ: absolutely. The ends justify the means.
Tia: no, I don't think so, I beg to differ.
Russ: okay, you can sit there in your present state
of what you're going through.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: what's in your life and who's in your
life.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and you can tell me that with a straight face
you are beyond doubt the biggest.....
Tia: I believe that yes, souls travel in groups.
Russ: right.
Tia: souls die approximately at the same time plus
or minus twenty years.
Russ: yes.
Tia: they decide who their parents are going to be.
Russ: okay.
Tia: there is a dormancy period where they wait for
rebirth. Sometimes it's quicker and sometimes it's
not so quick. I believe that life is planned out.
Not meticulously, not detail by detail, not major
catastrophes that life is going to end. I mean, how
could you plan let's say, tomorrow your home planet,
this one blows up tomorrow?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: you plan for that?
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: you plan to wipe out a whole, entire planet?
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: you personally?
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: and destroy everybody on your planet?
Russ: you betcha.
Tia: then you would never, ever, ever ascend.
Russ: I disagree.
Tia: because you have not learned the lesson.
Russ: I wouldn't be responsible for it.
Tia: but you planned it.
Russ: ahh, I planned to be there when it happened.
Tia: so, you disagree with the statements by Korton
and Omal that everything is carved in stone. That is
what you're saying. That Korton and Omal and
everybody else up here is wrong by saying nothing is
set in stone.
Russ: no, I don't say that, okay.
Tia: because that is exactly what you're saying,
think about it. That is exactly what you're saying.
That you plan every little detail including the fact
that the knowledge that you couldn't have had, let's
say you were thirty years between lives?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: that would be sixty years ago that your planet
was quite definitely going to blow up on what's the
date today?
Russ: the 17th of May.
Tia: okay, that you knew exactly that your planet
was going to blowup on 18th of May in the year 1994.
You knew sixty years in advance and planned
accordingly?
Russ: yes I do, I did.
Tia: so.......
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: by your own statement, you have just disagreed
with what Korton and Omal and Ashtar and everybody
else up here including Karra....
Russ: that's right, because they're wrong.
Tia: they're absolutely 100% wrong.
Less: absolutely.
Tia: you are saying that Ashtar and Korton and Omal
when they talk about probabilities, are talking a
whole load of bunk.
Russ: absolutely, total tosh.
Tia: total tosh.
Russ: total tosh.
Tia: so you disagree. You say that the future is
carved in stone.
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: nothing can change, everything is going to
happen.
Russ: absolutely.
Tia: no splitting off, no possibilities, there is
only one universe.
Russ: no, I disagree with that part you said about
splitting off.
Tia: that's what you're saying.
Russ: no, no, no, no.
Tia: that's exactly what you're saying.
Russ: no, that's where you come into the wrong part
of it, see.
Tia: okay, you explain yourself.
Russ: okay, what I meant was is the fact that your
pathway.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, is totally set in stone.
Tia: including the end of your planet?
Russ: absolutely, absolutely. But, this does not
mean that that is the only probability that is
happening to everyone else. Only you.
Tia: you're talking about seeing into the future,
you're talking about something being carved in
stone.
Russ: absolutely, correct.
Tia: but Korton and Omal will tell you that nothing
is carved in stone.
Russ: that's right and it's not for everyone else.
Tia: including you?
Russ: no. For you yourself it's carved in stone.
Tia: no, it's not. Everything is flexible, that is
my opinion. Anyway, we are sitting here arguing
backwards and forwards and you're too stuck in your
ideas so.....
Russ: it's merely opinions.
Tia: an opinion? Exactly.
Russ: that's what the whole sessions here are about.
(Karra comes on to finish up
the side.)
Karra: I'm looking forward to next Tuesday?
Russ: next Tuesday, yes, with Carrie.
Karra: looking forward to it tremendously.
Russ: I am too. Genetics my dear.
Karra: okay.
Russ: and the work of such. Okay, now then, what I
want to work on here is the various aspects of
genetics as that's what we're going to be working
with here. Okay, hold stone while drinking water.
Now, this is in relation to, you use a stone......
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: to make a gem elixir.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and then.......
Karra: whilst your drinking it you hold the same
stone that was in the elixir that you're drinking.
Russ: absolutely.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I think this is a way of increasing the
vibrational harmonic state that you're trying to
achieve.
Karra: you could have a test group. Yes, I can read
your mind.
Russ: it's a short story.
Karra: yes....
Russ: easy words.
Karra: it says, "in the beginning there
was...........the end".
Russ: your wit is as sharp as a razor.
Karra: yes, and I think I just cut myself. Okay....
Russ: now, a test group, a good idea. In fact I'm
going to write that down.
Karra: yes, we're going to have to go through these
really quickly because your discussion with Tia took
time away from well, we've only lost one person that
was supposed to channel.
Russ: all right, now, all things are in a constant
state of vibration which cause electromagnetic
fields.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: okay. Now, does this mean basically then that
atoms then generate an electromagnetic field?
Karra: yes.
Russ: okay? Therefore, the combination of atoms into
a molecule also creates a field.
Karra: uh-huh. Don't forget that each atom, whether
it is a nitrogen atom or an oxygen atom or so on,
has an electron orbiting or two.
Russ: right, I see.
Karra: so there is an electrical field generated.
Russ: right.
Karra: okay?
Russ: now, how do you define sentience then and
such?
Karra: sentience?
I don't follow.
Russ: the ability to be aware of your surroundings.
Karra: sentient.
Russ: okay.
Karra: it is a number of pathways within your brain.
Russ: okay, so the brain is the oxygen point that
we're talking about.
Karra: yes.
Russ: so anything that does not have a brain would
not be sentient
then.
Karra: hmmm, there are certain exceptions to the
rules. However, it is how you define a brain.
Russ: right, plants for example.
Karra: some are and some aren't.
Russ: now that doesn't make sense.
Karra: trees are.
Russ: yes.
Karra: bamboo isn't. Is not bamboo classified as a
tree from time to time?
Russ: it's classified as grass.
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(Karra gets back on topic.)
Russ: that would mean that each tree then has an
awareness of its surroundings.
Karra: yes. Sorry, it's funny.
Russ: with that being the case, that would mean
forests have a awareness of their being a forest.
Karra: they have a collective consciousness.
Russ: a collective conscience, correct.
Karra: a single tree can be as aware as a forest.
Russ: right.
Karra: but no more knowledge wise than a single
tree.
Russ: do all forests then connected have a
collective consciousness of forestness?
Karra: a single forest, let's say a single forest
is a thousand trees.
Russ: okay.
Karra: has as much collective consciousness as one
tree or a million trees grouped together in a
forest.
Russ: we are the Borg.
Karra: yes.
Russ: so, that means when one tree is cut down the
rest of the trees know it.
Karra: yes. Why do you think there is that feeling
when there is a lot of tree cutting down when you
go into an environment of trees?
Russ: the rain forest is real good example of
that.
Karra: isn't it better to call it a jungle?
Russ: okay, jungle.
Karra: do you know what jungle means?
Russ: no.
Karra: it means garden run amok.
Russ: oh, okay.
Karra: you want to answer that?
Russ: do I need to?
(The tape suddenly makes a strange noise)
(Omal has replaced Karra as
speaker for some reason.)
Russ: I thought she left? Oh, is this Omal?
Omal: correct.
Russ: oh, sorry.
Omal: okay, let us proceed and I have a meeting to
attend to.
Russ: okay, now, I'll go back with her on that in
a second. Okay, now then, matter being
crystallized spirit. In other words, okay,
crystals are in natural alignment with
electromagnetic fields.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the fields are a byproduct of activities in
the ethers. The ethers are byproducts of the
activities of the souls forces, being those here
on earth.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: that equals matter is crystallized spirit.
(Omal must have shaken his head)
Russ: doesn't work?
Omal: doesn't work, the mechanics do not jive.
Russ: okay. Because the reason we're working on
this is because of gemstones stimulating
healing.....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: due to a resonancy or harmony of vibrations.
Omal: yes, that is correct. They work in with the
vibration of a living tissue and entity.
Russ: right.
Omal: a living, breathing being. An astral form,
they react to differently but they are not a
byproduct of. A spirit can inhabit a crystal and
learn the information from the crystal but they
cannot pass that information on except through a
channeling.
Russ: ohhhh.
Omal: but it is not the byproduct of the spirit.
Russ: I see, okay. But it does affect the body
because of that.
Omal: correct. It is stimulated by the vibrations
of living, breathing entities.
Russ: okay. Now then, why would then......we were
discussing the fact of drinking the crystallized
water and holding the crystallized stone.
Omal: because the vibrations........it is best to
ask Karra, I can speculate.
Russ: okay, fair enough.
Omal: I was about to make a statement that I knew
might be wrong.
Russ: oh, okay. Alrighty, now then, real quickly
I'm going to go over two questions with you....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: before you go, I know you're busy. Number
one, a gentleman witnessed in Tibet a monastery
being built with horns.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: the stones were lifted by the sounds of the
horns and placed into position accordingly.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: now, I understand the fact that tones....
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: have a lot of power but I've never heard of
them having something like psycho kinetic power.
Omal: put it piece of paper in front of your
mouth.
Russ: okay.
Omal: now, put your finger on there....
Russ: okay.
Omal: and talk.
Russ: all right, like this?
Omal: yes, and what you feel?
Russ: feels like my fingers are filled with ice.
Omal: but what do you feel from the paper? Open
your mouth and go, "ahhhhhh".
Russ: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Omal: what do you feel?
Russ: a resonancy?
Omal: a vibration.
Russ: vibration.
Omal: now, bring your finger a little further away
and do that again.
Russ: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Omal: do you still feel the vibration?
Russ: now it's stronger.
Omal: correct. Now, with different frequencies and
resonance can have different effects.
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: if you point horns directly at a stone at
the correct frequency and resonance, the rock will
vibrate and move. Depending on the sound and
frequency it will lift it and move it.
Russ: uh-huh. Does this mean then we are taking
sounds for granted?
Omal: yes.
Russ: and so sounds, and I'll get back to this so
it's a healing session tonight that we're working
with........
Omal: ahh.
Russ: so that's why I'm going more or less on
healing. So that means sounds in healing are
misunderstood as to their importance and the......
Omal: I would assume so.
Russ: okay, fair enough, good assumption. Now
then, with things like the bowl over there......
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? It achieves a resonancy when struck.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: which creates a corresponding resonancy
within the brain when listened to.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? Now, how to fully understand that
resonancy, you would have to be able to listen to
the bowl and listen to your body.
Omal: correct.
Russ: what's the best way do you think listen to
your body that would give you the most benefits?
Omal: look within yourself, sit and meditate.
Russ: uh-huh.
Omal: clear your mind and see what springs to
mind.
Russ: uh-huh, I shall do that.
Omal: yes.
Russ: and that's my two questions I allotted
myself.
Omal: okay, thank you very much indeed.
Russ: thank you Omal.
(Karra returns to her
discussion with me.)
Karra: okay, let us continue. First of all, I want
a question answered. How did I open that eye
briefly to get a look at the chronometer?
Russ: well, you've been getting so much work with
Kiri lately, I assumed that she passed on her
little techniques to you......
Karra: but I tried.....
Russ: into your subconscious.
Karra: I tried until I had to hand over to Omal
and I couldn't. I couldn't do it. Thought about
it, tried to think how I did it, tried to remember
the feeling on how I did it and I couldn't.
Russ: well, when I had to ride a bicycle after ten
years, it just came back all of a sudden. Kiri's
opening your eye once or twice.....
Karra: that's not the only thing she's just
opened.
Russ: ahh, well, and that would give you the
abilities you're looking for.
Karra: okay.
Russ: okay, we're discussing vibrations,
resonancy.......
Karra: yes.
Russ: and awareness. Okay, now, when things
resonate.....
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: they resonate outward exponentially.
Karra: yes.
Russ: which is what Omal and I were going over
during resonancy and healing. Okay, now that bowl
over there being struck......
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: creates a resonant frequency. That frequency
will travel only within a certain defined area,
correct? Or will it go out from there and create a
wave that will keep going through the walls and
continue onward till maybe you feel it on Hades
Base?
Karra: to a certain extent yes. You'll have to
excuse me, I was holding a two-way conversation
and pulled into an conversation. Physically
speaking and telepathy.
Russ: oh, okay.
Karra: a good analogy is a moth beating its wings
in California will affect the course of a typhoon
in the Indian Ocean?
Russ:uh-huh. Okay....
Karra: it is the same with sound.
Russ: or vibrations.
Karra: or vibrations, yes, sorry. As I said, I'm
holding a two-way conversation.
Russ: that's all right, that's all right. Okay,
now....
Karra: okay, sorry.
Russ: the planet itself would then be considered
sentient due to the fact that....
Karra: of the vibrations.
Russ: of the vibrations.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, now, would that make it susceptible to
the stresses placed upon it then?
Karra: ohh, that is a hard one.
Russ: I'm sorry darling.
Karra: no, it's hard.....
Russ: you know I don't want to ask you a hard
question.
Karra: it's hard because of the explanation would
require a lot of wording that we do not have time
for.
Russ: okay, where do we go from here then,
darling?
Karra: how about back to my place.
(Russ chuckles)
Russ: anyway, we've got some good plans set up for
the bonding ceremony.
Karra: okay, good.
Russ: okay, you gotta go?
Karra: I'll be waiting for you.
Russ: all right darling.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: bye.
(Kiri
takes over from her sister to wrap up the session)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo dude.
Russ: so how did she open her eyes, sweetheart?
Kiri: I'm not too sure. She was trying to work out
the emotions and feelings and everything. Now,
let's see if I can do it.
Russ: sitting this up for you.
Kiri: poor Tia.....
Russ: good wine.
Kiri: I think she had some that went down the
wrong way.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: it's got a nice nose to it.
Russ: that's what I thought.
Kiri: it's very young, high in tannic acids, gives
you berry taste notes. You said five years?
Russ: five years.
Kiri: I'd say closer to seven, maybe eight.
Russ: that's what I thought.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: but they don't have anything younger than
87. All right, where were we?
Kiri: now, give me a Sirian Claret. And when am I
getting mine?
Russ: hey, talk to Omal. I asked, all right? I put
the question to him, he said yes. Maybe he's going
to wait to the bonding ceremony for all I know.
Kiri: I don't know.
Russ: coming, aren't you?
Kiri: no, because you haven't got me my wine.
Russ: you know I can't bring it back from Sirius.
Kiri: I know, I know, I'm teasing.
Russ: well actually, I could bring it back. I'll
talk Nazreal into borrowing the ship.....
Kiri: yes.
Russ: and then me and Nazreal will go out and
visit your dad....
Kiri: what you think of the dog fighting that was
going on up here yesterday?
Russ: I heard all about it, sounded pretty
intense.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: glad I wasn't a part of it but it sounded
pretty fun. How come you didn't go at it?
Kiri: because I was taking a nap.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, Lyka was here just now.
Thought she was going to channel.
Russ: but she isn't going to channel?
Kiri: no, no. She'd just come from having her leg
worked on. Getting muscles building up and
everything and connecting with the electronical
implants.
Russ: oh, she doing good?
Kiri: uh-huh. She was in a very sexy swimsuit
actually.
Russ: that's good.
Kiri: uh-huh. Designed by yours truly.
Russ: of course.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I'll ask you a question I was going to ask
Karra.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and that is sentience and the abilities and
awareness.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now, are you aware of vibrations in the air
around you?
Kiri: yes.
Russ: to how great of a degree?
Kiri: I can feel energy waves.
Russ: okay. And can you determine their source and
what they mean?
Kiri: it depends on their strength and frequency.
Russ: for example, you can tell from Alex, between
Alex and Mark, what they say?
Kiri: yes, because of construction of words, usage
of sentences and wattage. Now, you have another
question that you should have asked Kara before
she had to go and the question is what is the
price?
Russ: the price of what?
Kiri: you were going to ask us what was the price
that Mark was paying for his D jumps?
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: and you didn't write it down, did you?
Russ: no.
Kiri: it's a good job I've got a good memory. We
can hear what Mark is told sometimes.
Russ: it's not a crucial question, it's just
something I was curious about.
Kiri: save it for next week for when Karra is
back.
Russ: because I want to know how to reverse the
effects of that.
Kiri: there is no way to reverse them, not without
stopping.
Russ: so my question is answered.
Kiri: uh-huh. To minimize the effects there
is.......I don't know, you'd have to ask Karra. To
reverse them? No, not as far as I know.
Russ: yes there is.
Kiri: what?
Russ: well, it would take a lot of stuff we don't
have right now technology wise.
Kiri: oh, you mean rejuvenation?
Russ: right.
Kiri: that's the only that way I can see that
it.......the only way to stop the effects of the D
jump is to stop.
Russ: well, the wizard rig.
Kiri: no, that would accelerate it even more.
Russ: no, because of the fact of the matter is
that using electromagnets......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: powered in a way that cut off his body from
his mind, the body would continue to work at its
normal pace.
Kiri: but the mind would accelerate its problems.
Russ: yeah right, but that's only the mind.
Kiri: so you'd have a perfectly good body and a
decayed mind. No, I don't think so.
Russ: no, because the mind wouldn't decay.
Kiri: yes it would.
Russ: how would it decay?
Kiri: because of.........I believe, but you'd have
to talk to Karra on this, is that the chemicals
released affect the whole entire body. Because not
only is the body being affected, right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: if I get this correct, but you'd have to
check with Karra, towards the point of the
downward slide on it, you have to watch for
certain things. The capabilities aren't affected.
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: violent mood swings, depression,
forgetfulness and then suddenly remembering. Like
you ask a question and Mark goes , "I don't know"
and all of a sudden he will say the answer and
then be totally confused and baffled and very
embarrassed. These are the symptoms to look for
the point of when.....
Russ: wait a minute, yes, there is a way.
Kiri: okay?
Russ: but it's going to take cooperation between
yourself and Mark.
Kiri: what's that?
Russ: okay, now, this is only in theory but I
think it would work.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, we're both agreed upon that the astral
body affects the physical body.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: Ed in fact if he cuts himself up there he
has a cut down here if I remember right.
Kiri: sometimes.
Russ: sometimes but it's enough to show....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: the point I'm looking at here.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: okay. Now, what if he was to rejuve his body
up there?
Kiri: no.
Russ: why not?
Kiri: because he constructs his body up here each
time. Even though it's modeled around the astral
body.........see, the astral body does not need
rejuvenation.
Tia: right.
Kiri: so therefore, if you rejuvenate it, nothing
happens to the astral body. Only to the physical
body that he creates up here.
Russ: so he doesn't take that physical body back
down with him of course because it's a different
dimension.
Kiri: that's right. It doesn't work I'm afraid.
It's a nice idea and I wish that it would work
because when he starts to go through the final
phases, right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: is.........oh, another thing to look for is
his aura will become incredibly bright. Almost
twice as bright as his brightest point ever. You
almost will able to detect it with normal eyes.
And then, it will go so bright that it can be
detected with normal eyes but at that point his
astral body leaves his physical body permanently.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: that is the ultimate D jump.
Russ: okay, well that is a waste of an idea.
Kiri: uh-huh. I give it thirty to fifty years.
Russ: hey, how does Omal and Korton and Ashtar
know they're right, absolutely right?
Kiri: through experience.
Russ: how would they know? Have they ever died and
been through the whole death experience?
Kiri: yes of course...
Russ: after they died?
Kiri: of course they have.
Russ: but they're aware of what happens between
lives because they didn't lose their consciousness
like we do between lives?
Kiri: because they are on a higher dimensions.
Russ: right.
Kiri: instead of being sixth dimensional, they're
up there.
Russ: right.
Kiri: I mean between third and sixth, there's
quite a large jump and then from sixth to seventh
is an incredible jump.
Russ: so in other words, they're aware between
lives of what's going on?
Kiri: at that point, yes.
Russ: and they don't plan out their lives then.
Kiri: they don't need to.
Russ: they don't need to, right.
Kiri: why? Do you know how long it would take to
plan out a 10,000 year life? Or that's
approximately how old Omal is at the moment.
Russ: what about a sixty year life?
Kiri: a sixty year life would be unimportant to
Omal, it would be a blink.
Russ: right, so what......
Kiri: so what's the point......
Russ: why not plan on a sixty year life?
Kiri: because what happens when he's planned out
his sixty year life?
Russ: hmm, just something I ran with.
Kiri: uh-huh. What else? Oh, Lyka's back.
Russ: oh, good.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: is she going to channel?
Kiri: no.
Russ: can you tell her....
Kiri: she left her walking stick behind.
Russ: tell her hi.
Kiri: okay, I will. She looks really sexy.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: she didn't hear that because I was
transmitting it down to your place.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: she's wearing or was, she's left now, she
was wearing a thong bikini? Just enough to cover
her front?
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: and what's it? Halter top?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: yeah, I designed it for her.
Russ: I'll bet.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you know, I'm going to send Omal on his
birthday a combination birthday and get well card.
Kiri: Omal, why?
Russ: uh-huh, because I'll bet he's really sick of
getting birthdays.
Kiri: oh dear, what are we going to do with you
boyo, huh?
Russ: after 10,000 of them, I'd be very sick of
them too.
Kiri: yeah, I should imagine you would be. I don't
think he even celebrates his birthday, I stopped
celebrating mine.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so anyway, what's the word with Mike and
Mary Jo? Why, if have they had lives with us, they
have to give themselves all this grief? Why not
just accept things as they are?
Kiri: it's because Mike has tried to dominate you
guys so many times in the past that he is now
learning and envying the fact that he won't have
the opportunity again.
Russ: yeah, but the point is, why doesn't he
switch sides? I mean, if he's tried to dominate us
so many times in the past........?
Kiri: because he is a very dominating spirit.
Russ: but you know how rare that is?
Kiri: hmmm.....
Russ: most people deal with one thing in their
life and then in the next life they do something
completely opposite to see how......
Kiri: because of the learning experience. He has
not learned or does not desire to learn.
Russ: that calls for a lot of planning I'd say.
Kiri: that calls for a lot of non-planning.
Russ: I suppose.
Kiri: it's kind of.....
Russ: yeah, that's it, that's an example of
somebody who didn't plan at all.
Kiri: his problem is that........"okay, I will
dominate Mark, Russ, Mary Jo, Tia, Kiri, Karra,
Bob, and everybody else that I know, I will
dominate them in this life "and he fails. In the
next life........." I will succeed this time" and
he fails. "This time I will succeed." If you ask
me, it's a sign of a very stubborn and blood
minded individual. And thank you, you helped with
my urges.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: taken my mind off of them.
Russ: well it seems like he'd get tired of it. I
mean, I see this guy back in Atlantis going......
Kiri: no, he was never in Atlantis as far as I
know from looking at pictures of his aura.
Russ: yeah, it sure seems like he was. He's the
guy going, "yeah, well if we take these crystals
and we do this with them, this is what's going to
happen, I'm sure of it". And it's something else
exactly the wrong way happens.
Kiri: uh-huh. You see, his problem is that he is
quite young whereas Mary Jo is quite old.
Russ: well why would she go with somebody so
young? It seems that equal souls would hang
together.
Kiri: no, it is the motherly instincts in
her......
Russ: oh.
Kiri: that she wants to help him, to bring him up.
To get him to understand, to change his mind, to
become more at one. And the harder she tries the
more he resents her so she tries harder.
Russ: yeah, but I mean the submission she has to
go through. I'd rebel.
Kiri: it is because she is starting to understand
that to ascend, you have to be able to dominate,
be submissive, to take charge, to take orders and
so on. You have to be able to know how to do all
the various facets.
Russ: okay, I understand but he's still like if
you were to put him.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: in a room full of highly evolved
people.......
Kiri: he would think he was the most evolved of
the lot.
Russ: right, he thinks he's older than everybody.
Kiri: that is part of the conceited attitude of a
young spirit.
Russ: he thinks he's older than you are.
Kiri: ha.
Russ: that's what I said. Oh well, since he
doesn't get to meet you at all, I just hate seeing
him get to Tia like that.
Kiri: yes, and you've got to understand that she's
only been here......how long has she been here?
Five years?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: on this dimension? And when I was born, I
was born on the sixth, right?
Russ: uh-huh, right.
Kiri: and I was born as an infant and it was
natural. She wasn't. She is going through the
infant learning of a higher dimension and she's
trying so hard and then you come along and upset
her.
Russ: why does she gets so upset when all I really
wanted to do was point out the fifth dimensional
ideas that..........
Kiri: she still thinks in a third dimensional way.
Russ: well so do I but I still try to work on a
fifth dimensional way. She's got the advantage,
she's already on fifth dimension.
Kiri: it's not an advantage for her.
Russ: oh God.....
Kiri: it's actually a hindrance for her.
Russ: I would think it would be a huge advantage.
I would be like......
Kiri: you've got to remember she had fifteen years
of third dimension.
Russ: well I've got me thirty-three years of it
now.
Kiri: and then all of a sudden she finds herself
on another dimension....
Russ: yeah?
Kiri: and she's totally lost.
Russ: yeah, that's true.
Kiri: I mean she feels like a........how would you
put it?
Russ: outcast?
Kiri: no.
Russ: orphan?
Kiri: no. A novice flying with a squadron of top
fighter pilots.
Russ: well, what did she do before Mark got there?
Kiri: she worked in research and was a very
depressed and numb young lady. She kept herself
very much to herself.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: and they tried to get her to come out, they
got her to work on the welcoming committee hoping
that would help her and it didn't, it made her
even more depressed. And then, it happened.
Russ: yes, it happened. And then I came along.
(Russ laughs)
Kiri: well, if it wasn't for you, I don't think it
would've happened.
Russ: no, you're right, you're right.
Kiri: but it was one of the things that needed to
happen to her. That's the reason why she was on
the welcoming committee was that we knew........we
didn't know who, although we had our ideas, but we
weren't quite sure because she wouldn't cooperate
or cooperate that well. I mean we'd invite her to
parties so that we could scan her to get the
information to find out what her twin soul would
look like.........and at the time we didn't know
she wasn't a twin soul, that she was a triplet
soul.
Russ: right. Well you were there.
Kiri: I was a very busy young lady, you know.
Russ: were you?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: doing what?
Kiri: engineering stuff and........
Russ: I keep forgetting you actually have a mind
in that little, cute body of yours.
Kiri: cute, little?
Russ: just an expression, okay. So, all in all
basically, I really think that there is no wasted
time in this world no matter what happens. My
conversation with you right now.......
Kiri: they really are quite hard, you know.
Russ: and that's not a wasted thought.
Kiri: sorry.
Russ: so darling, how come you don't go off and do
these war patrols?
Kiri: I don't have the aggressive streak.
Russ: are you kidding? I've seen you ski.
Kiri: and who skis better than I do?
Russ: yeah right. Who, Lyka?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: well not much better.
Kiri: she's a lot younger than I am.
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: well I mean I'm glad you don't. I mean, I
hate to think of you coming back the way she came
back. But still I mean, Sirius is your home
planet.......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I'm surprised you don't have some kind of
obligation you have to do or had to do.
Kiri: no, not our family.
Russ: why, because it's exempt?
Kiri: it's because of our station in......
Russ: you're exempt.
Kiri: basically yes.
Russ: ohhh.
Kiri: Karra did it voluntarily as a medic.
Russ: ohhhh, see Kiri, some family history here I
didn't know about.
Kiri: I had no desire to do so and it's also
because it is optional for women.
Russ: it's optional for women?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so Lyka wanted to do this.
Kiri: yes.
Russ: but the men have no options. So Nazreal
didn't have to do it because he's in the
family.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and he's exempt.
Kiri: exactly. Now the reason why the family is
exempt is because......I wouldn't say superior
genes, more available capabilities in the genes.
See, the more capable an individual is on
Sirius.....
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: and they know from an early age.........the
more likely they are to be exempt. If you have one
capability, you're like everybody else. If you
have two capabilities, then, if you are the eldest
son or eldest daughter then you are exempt. If you
have three capabilities, you become an officer, or
potential for those capabilities.
Russ: you go into training.
Kiri: you become an officer automatically. But you
get trained very hard, a lot harsher than Lyka had
to go through.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: if you have four or more, you are exempt
but, the genes have to be available for the use of
the populace.
Russ: right, so you leave some sperm behind.
Kiri: sperm or eggs.
Russ: or eggs, right.
Kiri: uh-huh. As far as I know, none of my eggs
have been used. My father, is in the category of
four or more. Karra is in the category of four or
more. So am I.
(Kiri and Mark would have Leonidies who has five
abilities)
Russ: but now.....
Kiri: so is Nazreal. So is Alex and Kevin and
David and so on.
Russ: and Michael.
Kiri: and Michael and Alana, we all have the
capability to produce offspring or will that might
have four or more. Whether or not they do......
Russ: so far I've only seen one each in my kids.
Kiri: uh-huh but there is all the potential there
that they will have the capability if they so
desire.
Russ: right, they feel strong enough in that one.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, I understand. So now, your engineering
skills were not needed on Sirius as much as they
were needed on Hades Base?
Kiri: I wanted to be with my sister.
Russ: oh, that's cool.
Kiri: but there's plenty of engineers.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: I specialize in research and development.
Russ: all right. Okay, here's a question for you
darling.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: I'd like to talk a little about
resonance......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and oscillators.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now, you understand what an oscillator is?
Kiri: uh-huh, it oscillates a frequency.
Russ: it oscillates a frequency. Now, an
oscillator has the potential of either becoming a
weapon.....
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: or of becoming a tool.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: now, we have not developed a science around
this that has been effectively used yet.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but you being an engineer......
Kiri: I can think of hundreds of uses.
Russ: absolutely.
Kiri: and I don't want to.
Russ: fine, but at the same time, can you think of
a use......and I don't want you to be specific
here.......that it could be used for healing?
Kiri: yes. And we're down to I should say probably
about 34% energy.
Russ: oh, okay. So I can't ask.
Kiri: well, I can go on a little bit longer but as
long as I keep still and don't think of horniness.
You've got 2% now before we redline.
Russ: nevermind, thank you anyway.
Kiri: how much time do you have on your recording?
Russ: I've got........two seconds.
Kiri: okay, bye.
Russ: bye love.
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