Archivist Notes: This is one of if not the only three part session we did in a single night filled with a record number of speakers who provided some incredible information for us to chew on. Far too much knowledge was provided to do it justice in such a small space but the drama amid the humor made it a memorable session indeed.

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SIDE 1

(Tia gets this marathon session started)

Tia: hello, greetings and welcome.

Russ: yeah hello Tia, what are you talking to or who are you talking to?

Tia: I'm talking to Minerva.

Russ: oh, what's up with Minerva?

(one of the triplet daughters of Mark and Tia)

Tia: oh, she wants to sit in the pyramid.

Russ: well, let her.

Tia: no, she gets all interruptive and everything.

Russ: oh.

Tia: okay, hello greetings and welcome to November the 5th, 1996 channeling session live from Hades Base. Tonight present we have John and Russell Alan greetings.

Russ: greetings.

Tia: did I get it correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay.

Russ: well tell Minerva I said hi.

Tia: she's sitting patiently outside.

Russ: Uncle Russ says hi.

Kiri: she goes.......(speaks to someone on the base).....put those away, thank you. Okay, kind of like that, she's sitting.

Russ: oh.

(speaks some Durondedunn)

Tia: oh I see. Okay, questions.

Russ: well, politics and the elections.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: your viewpoints on it and how we's looking now that we have come up to the end of this for predictions and how it's all working out?

Tia: okay, government's going to come to a standstill in the next two years.

Russ: okay.

Tia: that is not a prediction. What is going to occur is going to be quite messy.

Russ: now does it work better if the Republicans have maintained control of the Senate and the House?

Tia: if they control the house, if they do not, then we go to level II.

(of the Defcon discussions from back then)

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. If not, then we maintain on level III but we're hovering close to level II.

Russ: and you say it's going to come to a stop mainly because of conflicts between the President and the Congress or if they were all.....if the Congress had turned Democratic and the president turned Democratic.....

Tia: then we would've automatically have gone to Defcon two without a shadow of a doubt.

Russ: okay, what would cause government to stop though?

Tia: I'll give you a clue, "not guilty, you are pardoned, you are pardoned."

Russ: well that's a nice out then if that came in the first place.

John: how could that possibly shut down our government?

Tia: because the people would get upset, because these people have been convicted and indicted of embezzlement, all sorts of things, misappropriation of funds. The question remains is, as I've stated in the past, is he really that thick to not know what was going on around him?

Russ: well according to what you say, yes he was, Hillary was the whole thing behind it.

Tia: uh-huh, but he cannot be held unaccountable.

John: yeah but the American public knows that already that he's guilty of all that &^%$^& and they overwhelmingly voted for him.

Tia: overwhelmingly?

John: overwhelmingly.

Tia: only 8% difference, overwhelmingly? That's not overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly would be 20% difference.

John: well the electoral vote at least was overwhelming.

Tia: just 8%. That's not that big, it's not a landslide.

John: that's the popular vote, that's half our population voting.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: half of the voting population decided to vote, half of the voting population decided not to.

Tia: uh-huh so therefore it is not a landslide victory, 50% of the population that can vote did not, why?

Russ: they knew Clinton would win? What's the point?

Tia: no, they don't care anymore.

Russ: now, there is a chance in your odds and calculations that Clinton will not pardon anybody.....

Tia: uh-huh?

Russ: and what if that does not happen?

Tia: he's still going to get into a lot of trouble. Anything that he does that involves possibly shutting down any investigation, any stopping of wrongdoing or prosecutions of wrongdoings is going to upset a lot of people in the government. Ethically, the White House at this time has more people indicted, more people under investigation, more people mysteriously dying than all the other White House's put together. So what is wrong with the situation, what is wrong with the picture?

Russ: nothing's wrong with it, it's perfect, it fits in to the exact pattern that we're supposed to be living.

Tia: that's right, the ones that we have discussed for so long and the predictions or scenarios that we have worked out.

Russ: right so there's nothing wrong with it, it's the beginning of our next evolutionary advancement process.

Tia: the way to look at it is, whatever happens, you guys have got to survive it right?

Russ: right.

Tia: to learn the lessons.

Russ: and to pass on the lessons.

Kiri: pass on the lessons, correct. It doesn't matter if the house in the next elections in two years turns totally Democrat and the Senate turns totally Democrat, the house will probably turn totally Democrat. Now the problem I have, and this is not related, is I can't understand why that a group of individuals that are for want of a better word morally bankrupt right? I mean you would not commit adultery would you?

John: not at all, that's all relative.

Tia: yeah, but for power?

John: no.

Tia: you would not sleep with your boss's wife so that you could get a better position by her saying, "yeah, this guy's a real good guy, let's bump him up a bit".

John: no, I don't think I'd do something like that.

Tia: what about you Russ?

Russ: well the fact that I have committed adultery doesn't count since it was with Karra I guess, I suppose not.

Tia: so but yet these people are doing it all the time.

Russ: well that's politics, neither Johnny nor I have anything to do with politics. We don't care about all that stuff, that's all third dimensional.

Tia: okay another way of looking at it is this oriental gentleman, Young or whatever he's called. The one that disappeared for close to a month? The White House knew nothing of where he was.

John: I don't even know what we're talking about.

Tia: the Lipo investigation? To do with money going into the Democratic party from Indonesia?

Russ: oh yeah him, right.

Tia: yeah. Now the White House said that they had no idea of where he was correct?

Russ: I suppose, I didn't hear that part of it.

Tia: yeah but the FBI, no the Secret Service logs confirm that he talked to the White House nine times in that time that he was disappeared.

Russ: 27 times.

Tia: 27 times, thank you, he visited nine times.

Russ: he visited nine times.

Tia: isn't that a little bit odd when the White House is saying that they don't know where he is but yet he's visited?

John: yeah, they do that &*^*&^ all the time.

Russ: a lot of people visit, maybe they just lost track of a guy. A lot of young people go missing.

Tia: very likely, very likely, sarcasm in my voice.

Russ: well Tia, last week we......I brought this whole thing up with you on the fact that it doesn't matter what happens......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: as the fact that it is for our learning lessons.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: but me and you got off into it and all kind of stuff and this week you're agreeing with me.

Tia: no I'm not agreeing with you. I'm saying that...

Russ: you just said that it won't matter in two years whether the house turns.....

Tia: well there is nothing that we can do about it. What I would like, is something to change. The fact that I know a lot of what's going to come, you don't. I want things to change, I would love them to change, it is important to create change. I really do want them to change, I'm just......I cannot believe that people would fall for this......

Russ: well look at the alternative, Dole?

John: yeah Snow?

Russ: God, what a waste. I mean you give us somebody that we can believe in and want to vote for sure, I'll change parties in a hot second but this guy was a waste.

Tia: okay let's.....he's not very good at talking to groups of people but, he is a networker, he is a political person. More than Clinton is, much, much more. Clinton is a showman.

Russ: right.

Tia: Dole is a doer. Everything that Clinton has ever done has been for show.

John: yeah but he won the election, so what difference does all this make? Snow is retired, he's not going to do another %$&*&% thing for the rest of his life. Clinton is the president for the next four years or until he gets impeached.

Tia: don't underestimate Dole, don't underestimate him.

John: he's done, he's in his 70's he's in his.....

Russ: well Strom Thurman is 93 and he just got reelected.

Tia: okay let's look at it this way Johnny, okay let's say Clinton gets impeached right? Who's next in line?

John: well Gore of course, the vice president.

Tia: Gore gets dragged in, Clinton implicates Gore right, who's next in line? The speaker the house is next.

John: yeah I'm well aware of our political system and how it works.

Tia: okay so there's going to be a need for a vice president if Newt Gingrich becomes president. I don't think Newt Gingrich is going to accept the nomination for the presidency. I think that he would nominate somebody that has some experience. Now it is unlikely that Gore will get dragged in but Gore will not get reelected because Gore is......Gore has a problem, a very serious problem that became visible in his last speech. Now what is your impression of Gore when he makes a speech?

Russ: friendly, good-natured....

Tia: very stiff and formal.

Russ: reaching out the people.

Tia: very stiff. That is the reputation that he has has been very stiff and wooden.

Russ: okay but Tia, isn't personal enlightenment and advancement more important than what the president is doing?

Tia: yes but there are other ways to achieve this goal. Certainly they're longer but the fact remains that basically the double standards are speeding things up. What is going to happen is going to happen whether it is in two years or six years, there's no stopping it but the fact remains that somebody that is a liar and a cheat and a murderer is given free reign.

Russ: so you don't think he has the best interest of the country at heart?

Tia: no, he has the best interest of one person and one person only.

Russ: but doesn't that follow suit with the best interests of the country?

Tia: no.

Russ: if the country falls to pieces than so does he. Now why would him....

Tia: not necessarily.

Russ: why not?

Tia: if the country falls to pieces, he's the guy that tried to stop it.

Russ: no he goes to pieces with everybody else first before anybody else.

Tia: no, he would never let that happen.

Russ: yeah he would, because he would get blamed for it.

Tia: no he won't. I mean.....

Russ: I disagree.

Tia: that's your choice to disagree, but the thing remains that this person has been given, he's been exonerated from everything. He's been exonerated from murder, he's been exonerated from adultery, not just once but many, many times. He's been exonerated from drug dealing, from laundering money, you name it, he's done it that's illegal. What sort of standards does this set for the recovery?

Russ: he won't be part of the recovery. Like I say, he'll be the first up against the wall.

Tia: but his actions made it longer and harder, it's a moral thing.

Russ: well okay, I don't want to get into the moral grounds with you except for this once.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay and I'll try not to do it ever again but for this once I'm going to stand up for the president and not for what he's done or what he's going to do but to what it's going to lead to. Okay now I'm going to take us back in a time a little bit back here to 1974.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Richard Nixon, okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: elected to the presidency and at the time he was looking like a great white hope.

Tia: he was elected in 1972.

Russ: '72 okay, two years later problems coming up. So we're talking Whitewater I mean....

Tia: Watergate.

Russ: Watergate okay? Now, look at the aftermath of Watergate, now this wasn't probably as bad as what we're going to be looking at in the future.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: as far as what happened from Watergate but, our view of the presidency, our view of government had all turned around 180° from when it was before he got elected to the time when he got post elected, when he got impeached alright? We saw that government could not function and the country could not function with a president who was above the law okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now I saw politics at that point become a higher ideal than what it had previously been. Now with what we are looking at in the future, a similar thing is going to be happening. Clinton will show the world that he is above the law, a second Nixon okay?

Tia: no he's going to make Nixon look like a wimp.

Russ: all right, even better.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because at that point again we'll see America and its people believing then that the president has to answer to the people, not to himself but to the people and our whole ideals of what the president should stand for, what government should stand for will be refreshed and renewed as it was after Watergate only more so because it will be so much worse than what happened with Nixon.

Tia: no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The first part yes but the thing is that you are forgetting certain organizations that are almost at the point of revolution already. The Michigan militia, all these militias are going to start arming themselves really rapidly. Now we're not going to go into case scenario C, not yet but if he is impeached right and then found not guilty right for whatever reason, right? Which has happened before that somebody that is guilty as all hell gets off scot-free. What's going to happen? You are going to have a group of individuals going to say that this is the biggest load of codswallop ever that the political system does not work, let's do something about it. And they're going to take somebody that's been long dead as their figurehead and his quote is, "a little bit of revolution is good from time to time".

Russ: Jefferson?

Tia: uh-huh, this is where the problems start then. If he is found not guilty, which is unlikely but there is that possibility, then things are going to get really nasty because the fact remains that he is guilty, a lot of people know he's guilty, and they're just waiting for the reason to join the bandwagon. There's a lot of people out there that are out for themselves, there's a lot of people that are out there for others, to help. This person that is in charge is going to be a rallying call in the opposite for them. That is he will be the focus of their hatred.

Russ: okay we're speaking of the militias and I was talking about.....

Tia: hold on, hold on, I haven't finished yet.

Russ: sorry.

Tia: if they join together, then the country is in great jeopardy. There will be no United States, it will be a very un-united bunch of individuals. Now this is where case scenario C comes in the play. The scenario of mass rioting, which there will be riots coming up. With the mass rioting, mass exodus of the population, these are things to watch out for. Precursors for it will be Clinton being impeached and then exonerated. An increase in arms on the street, an increase in violence, an increase in drug use. All these things, and I'm not talking about a little bit of pot from time to time, I'm talking about coke.

John: I know what you're talking about.

Tia: yeah, the heavy stuff, crank, all that stuff, that will go through the roof, then the problems will really start. I mean you're already close to a boiling point in the big cities anyway. Who controls the cities?

Russ: government employees.

Tia: not the gangs? There's certain areas that the police won't go into.

Russ: well there's certain areas that some police won't go into but other police will. No place is un-policable.

Tia: I'd like to see you down in Compton.

Russ: I've been in Compton.

Tia: recently?

Russ: no, how could I be?

Tia: well.

Russ: huh?

Tia: well....or East Harlem.

Russ: I mean I've been in Watts, I've been in Compton I've been in Gardena, Hawthorne, lived in Hawthorne, Inglewood.

Tia: but they weren't that bad back then.

Russ: I can't see that they'd be any worse now, I would've heard if they were worse and I've never heard anything different from when I was down there.

Tia: so drive-by shootings were a common everyday experience when you lived there?

Russ: yeah, pretty much.

Tia: people being shot everyday was very much a common common experience, that will spread. Anyway, I've done my dissertation, given my monologue and dialogue.

Russ: epilogue.

Tia: as Kiri says sometimes, blow it out your ears Russ.

Russ: (chuckles) I thought that was kind of pointed.

Tia: don't bring my ears into this. (her ears are pointed)

Russ: oh.

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(Korton makes a rare appearance)


Korton: greetings and felicitations, welcome.

Russ: greetings Korton.

Korton: greetings Russ, greetings Johnny, let us proceed. Concerning Tia's predictions, Tia and her emotions do tend to get in the way from time to time but under her emotional outbursts there is a lot of truth in what she says. She is an invaluable supply of reasoning, information and data. Sadly her emotions do get in the way from time to time. What she states and addresses is quite truthful, it is just the way she words things, that is her way of doing things. To understand the upcoming events and to make them more clearer, it is necessary to set aside political interests and to address the problems as Tia would put it of the moral situation. What is to come, there is no way around it, it is coming at you head-on. To use an analogy, it is a locomotive and you're on the tracks, catch it or hop out of the way. As it approaches, it is necessary to be prepared. You are doing that, that is good but is it necessary to put aside opinions and views and to work together for the common goal. The analogy of a train on the tracks is very accurate for the same effect for those standing on the tracks, if they are hit by it will be the same. Not necessarily death and annihilation but certainly a wounding of the psyche. It is necessary to be adjusted and prepared for the transition. What is to come is necessary. Questions please.

Russ: yes so we are in essence then standing on the side of the tracks watching the train go by hitting people on the way.

Korton: no I said you are on the tracks.

Russ: oh, okay.

Korton: it is your choice on where you stand and what you do.

Russ: I was just trying to work with the analogy. All right now what I said about an epilogue is sort of apt in the fact that you are looking at an ending to this chapter in Earth's history.

Korton: no, this is the beginning.

Russ: okay.

Korton: it would not be an epilogue, it would more....

Russ: introduction?

Korton: prologue-like.

Russ: prologue, all right excellent. All right, now one of the things that I see, and we haven't discussed this but I would like to right now, is the group of individuals who are more spiritually aware than others and their responses and how they view and deal with the situation coming up.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: now with Tia's prediction of the government coming to a standstill, is it possible that they're looking at now the government isn't behind us, we have only ourselves and go within that point to find themselves?

Korton: yes, I would like to add to Tia's comments that this current situation started 30 years ago with Lyndon Johnson. "Let us take care of you, let us supply you with food, housing, money, whatever you desire we will supply. You are no longer reliant on yourselves, you are reliant on the handouts from the government." Does your money that work for belong to you the government?

Russ: most of it belongs to us.

Korton: Johnny?

John: the government gets their fair share.

Korton: but who earns your money?

John: I do.

Korton: do you not have a right to decide how much you wish to pay?

John: I should but I don't, I don't have that right.

Korton: how much tax do you pay?

John: I don't know, I'd say 20%?

Russ: I figure mine at 17% if you don't count what I pay for sales taxes.

John: yes something like that, right in there roughly.

Korton: Russ is quite correct in saying sales tax, everything is taxed. The heating that you are receiving is taxed, the lighting that you receive is taxed, the food that you eat has hidden taxes in it. As we have discussed in the past Johnny about hidden taxes, things are hidden, everything is taxed. Is it right that everything should be taxed?

John: I don't know, the way I was taught was taxes is what you pay to live in a civilized society and right now we live in the greatest country on this planet.

Korton: and the greatest country is one of the greatest debtors. If you become reliant on yourselves and work and give what you think is fair to the government, not what they want, how many stealth bombers does your country really need? How many nuclear reactors does your country really need? How many people does your country really need to go around monitoring the quality of tree leaves? If you are educated as you are, then you would understand that it is wrong to pollute the air. You would understand as you do understand that it is wrong to pollute water. After all, you do drink the water, you do drink the air, you do participate in what is going on but it is wrong to say that the government must take care of you. The government is there to work for you. You pay them to do what you wish, not what they want. You do not pay them to take care of you, to make sure you do not get hurt. It sounds more like to me a situation that occurred eons ago before I ascended on my planet when we were getting ready in the same situation that you were. The planet was run by basically a organized crime as you would call it, we called it a government. We paid them to leave us alone, to let us take care of ourselves. If we did not pay them, they would come in and interfere and say that what we did was against their law, that we had to pay them so that we could live alone. This is what your government is doing with its tax systems. They are cramping your lifestyle to do what you wish with your rights and this is creating more problems. When you pay with sales taxes approximately 40 to 50% of your income, then what does that leave you? If you earned 400 of your dollars a week, you are in actual fact only have 200 of that which means that you are cramped in your development. To develop, you have to have more income but yet the harder you work, the more they tax you. Tia informed me the other day that Mark was very upset with the tax system. I did some research. Do you know that Mark works close to 20 hours overtime at 1.5 times his normal pay and ended up five dollars poorer off than if he had worked just his normal time, is that right?

Russ: nope.

John: no.

Korton: is it right that your government penalizes you for working hard?

Russ: no but we choose that.

Korton: certainly you choose it and it is necessary to use these analogies and to put this tone in my voice to get the point across that your government has become corrupt. It is wrong, it is not just one individual, it is the whole entire organization. By taking down the one individual that is seen as the cause of the problem, or the worst offender, then you are taking down the whole entire government. Nobody will trust the government again. This is what is happening. Do you trust your government?

John: no.

Korton: Russ?

Russ: yes.

Korton: I will ask you again, do you trust your government and tell me the truth?

Russ: well maybe I am naïve, but yes I do Korton, I do trust my government.

Korton: I see different in you Russ.

Russ: well maybe but I can't put a finger on it what I wouldn't trust.

Korton: do you trust the Republicans?

Russ: I don't know enough about them to know whether I do or not but....

Korton: so you distrust by your statement, you just said you do not know enough about them. That is distrust, that is lack of trust.

Russ: well a lack of knowledge.

Korton: so you distrust half of your government which means that you distrust the whole entire government because you cannot distrust a half of a person or half of an organization. Is that correct?

Russ: yeah I suppose. I've never really studied government to know really the difference between the two parties as far as what one wants to do compared to what the other do.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: when you listen to the politics, you hear them going off on each other about basically the same things.

Korton: yes.

Russ: each one is doing the same thing so for me, Republicans or Democrats, it's all one big thing.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and when I look at it, maybe it's just media but what is there not to trust? What are they doing that is un-trustworthy?

Korton: that would take too long to get into. However, there is somebody that is trying to do something about it. (Ross Perot)

Russ: okay.

Korton: unfortunately he did not get very much of the vote. The person himself is not suited for the job, that is why they did so poorly but his concept is very, very good.

Russ: so with a different figurehead and more support, he could be a true challenge or that party could be a true challenge?

Korton: that party could be the winners.

Russ: hmm.

Korton: their ideas are very sound, they are a very moralistic bunch of individuals however sadly it is a little too late. There is nothing that can be changed, the emotional facts remain the same. People will be upset, people will cry, trouble and storms are coming. More questions please.

Russ: yeah...oh, go ahead Johnny.

John: well instead of dwelling on politics and what we already know, what else can we do that we're not doing to prepare for the storms and the train?

Korton: there is not much more that you can do, you are proceeding as we have suggested in the past with caution. It is necessary for you to watch. Now is the time to be quiet about your preparations and to be ready.

Russ: okay, so don't address them on the Internet if it comes up on a channeling session.

Korton: we will leave that to your discretion, situations do change and individuals do become a part of things going on. Last question from each of you.

Russ: okay well we brought up earlier the New Age movement and how with the change in the government and its failure to the people, people will be looking toward their minds now. Where do we go as far as with our teaching to push this on at an accelerated pace?

Korton: if you go on an accelerated pace, then you cause more harm. It is necessary as has been stated in the past and will be stated again, caution, take your time. If the lessons are not complete, they will find other ways of completing their lessons. Do not accelerate. I have told you in the past, never hurry things, they will get there soon enough.

Russ: okay.

Korton: young man?

John: I'm going to abstain right now.

Korton: okay, thank you.

Russ: thank you Korton.

John: thank you.

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(Tia comes in to do the hand-off )


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay.

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, any more questions for me?

Russ: we'll work on it.

Tia: okay.

Russ: how's your emotions doing?

Tia: (says something in Durondedunn)

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(Karra comes on in her turn)


Karra: hello and welcome.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: greetings.

Russ: I think I just got sworn at in Durondedunn.

Karra: I think she should never have told you what it meant.

Russ: well I think just the way she says it, you don't have to know what it means to know what she's saying.

John: yeah the tone.

Russ: the tone is there.

John: the tone does a lot.

Karra: uh-huh. If she was to spit her spit out as she said that, it would eat into things.

Russ: okay, that editorial, we've gotten lots of comments back on it.

Karra: yes it seems like it was a raving success.

Russ: that was, from now on you get the co-byline on this one darling.

Karra: oh thank you.

Russ: well you write half of it.

Karra: well it is a team effort.

Russ: but that last part was truly inspired.

Karra: uh-huh, as I said at the time, I think that Mark's changing of the wording was a little bit of a good idea.

Russ: yeah I agree.

Karra: looking back on it retrospectively, I don't think it would've worked quite as well. It would've worked well but not quite as well. It gave it that little....

Russ: yeah more of that, it takes you back in time kind of thing.

Karra: yes.

Russ: nostalgic.

Karra: well people do like nostalgia.

Russ; uh-huh.

Karra: so how's it going Johnny?

John: good, how's things with you?

Karra: oh, couldn't it be better, could not be better.

Russ: well sweetheart, what are we doing about Christmas? I don't think the Jeep idea is going to work.

Karra: I'm not really sure on how to proceed with something like that.

Russ: I don't either.

Karra: it's been a long time for me.

Russ: well I'll think of something. (to John) I'm trying to think of Christmas presents for the kids. I was up on the base working with her..

Karra: yes I.....


SIDE 1 ENDS

SIDE 2


(Karra picks up from where she left off)

Karra: .....as I said at the time, that would not be a problem, the fact that it would get used by all the other children as well would be the problem.

Russ: that's true.

Karra: it is more of an exercise issue.

Russ: well.....

Karra: I mean if you give them a little Jeep to drive, you might as well chop their legs off.

Russ: yeah I know you brought that up and I have to admit you're right.

Karra: Kiri's handcart for Leonedies, that is a tool for him that he uses less and less.

Russ: hmm, well what have they been getting into lately that we could inspire them to get into more?

Karra: there's all sorts of things that they're doing in the crèche at the moment. I really should spend more time down there you know.

Russ: I should too.

Karra: they're making mystical animals at the moment is the main thing that they're making.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: so it's really hard to say what is the right thing for them. However on the 10th they will be at a little birthday party.

Russ: oh they will?

Karra: uh-huh, maybe we'll get some ideas then.

Russ: okay, we'll shoot for that.

Karra: okay.

Russ: good. How's life going otherwise than that, how's your work doing?

Karra: you know as well as I do how that's going, I know you have to ask to fill in the tape.

Russ: I know.

Karra: and patience Russ.

Russ: you have lots of them?

Karra: I know you're trying to use humor tonight.

Russ: okay, let's work on the shielding that I taught to Desiree.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay, that's a rather new form that we're working on there.

Karra: yes ummm.......

Russ: now is that a weakening form of shielding we're doing but workable for someone who doesn't need real strong shields or what?

Karra: it's more of a quick, easy arrangement.

Russ: okay.

Karra: something that is quick and easy to throw up, it does not have great strength. You notice that.......

Russ: there's too many weak points in it.

Karra: yeah. You notice how Mark's coercive ability is......she wouldn't last five seconds against Mark.

Russ: no I agree. But okay, how about this? Okay we gave her a bridge......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And now we're going to like cover it with more substance as we go along here.

Karra: that's an idea Russ, did you get that?

Russ: you mean as reinforcement?

Karra: no, no you didn't get it.

Russ: no I'm thinking on another track.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well maybe we should say it out loud.

Karra: no, not at this time. Okay in the meantime, we will continue working on it with her shields......

Russ: okay.

Karra: we need to continue working on getting her safe. Have you and Mark discussed when to start her working on transcribing and stuff?

Russ: yeah Mark wants to start her on the security stuff as soon as possible.

Karra: okay, that's great.

Russ: and then I assume the webpage stuff will come along after that.

Karra: uh-huh yeah.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, when is the date scheduled?

Russ: Mark wants to start with her this next week.

Karra: okay, so we'll work on that. Johnny?

John: yeah.

Karra: do you have questions?

John: nothing right offhand, you guys have jumped around, Christmas presents, Desiree, I am at a loss.

Russ: start a new one.

Karra: uh-huh, okay in that case, Russ do you have any more questions?

Russ: no darling.

Karra: okay, all will become clear in a few.

Russ: well that's good, it's all mud right now. Bye.

---

(Tia returns as ring mistress)


John: clear as mud huh?

Tia: I would love a cup of tea.

Russ: well go up and get some. (teasing her)

Tia: I was about to say can you pause the tape and put the kettle on?

John: should I pause it?

Tia: yeah.

John: all right we're back online.

Tia: okay good, good, good, good, good, good, good. How long is that tea going to be? When it starts boiling correct? I know you only just went and got it.

John: yeah it will be a another.......

Russ: 10 minutes?

John: five, 10 minutes?

Russ: it's got to steep first and all.

Tia: okay, okay do you have questions for me?

Russ: well do you want to work on the news tonight, right now or you want to save that for later on in the session?

Tia: we'll save that for later on.

John: would you like to suck on a teabag while you're waiting? Just an idea.

Tia: Tia sticks her tongue out.

---

(Nazreal jumps in as the next speaker)


Nazreal: yo Russ, dude.

Russ: who is this?

Nazreal: three guesses dude.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Nazreal: I do not sound like Kiri.

Russ: oh.

John: no you don't.

Russ: Lyka?

Nazreal: I do not sound feminine. Last guess buddy. Mr. Co-pilot that disappears.

Russ: oh, hi Nazreal.

Nazreal: yo.

John: who?

Russ: Nazreal, Karra's son, my ex-pilot buddy kinder dude. How's it going dude? Close but there we go.......

Nazreal: I'll just hold it stationary dude.

Russ: dude. Good to see you man.

Nazreal: thought I would drop by.

Russ: ahhh well cool. How is your piloting going?

Nazreal: fine, shuttling okay.

Russ: what about search and rescue, still doing that?

Nazreal: yes, as well.

Russ: oh, well that's good.

Nazreal: introduce to your friend please.

Russ: Nazreal, this is Johnny. Johnny, this is Karra's son Nazreal.

Nazreal: it is a pleasure of your acquaintance to meet.

John: yeah, the pleasure is also mine, this is the first time we've met.

Nazreal: I apologize that my English has slipped badly due to no one to talk with.

John: well why don't you talk to Russ more often?

Russ: I don't get up to the pilots off place too much anymore. I know, I know, I should get back there once in a while to say hi to the old gang.

Nazreal: just once in a month would be nice. Once in two months would be nice.

Russ: just stop by the house more often and say hi to us.

Nazreal: I spend long time out on ships search and rescue picking up missing pilots, picking up others.

Russ: were you involved in that big thing over Russia a while back? (BATTLE REPORT 10/10/96)

Nazreal: I picked up very excited and confused pilot.

Russ: oh, from Siberia? I don't know if I congratulated you but I certainly will now. Congratulations.

Nazreal: well, I have friend with me tonight that will help.

Russ: oh okay.

Nazreal: I have a friend with me tonight that will help.

Russ: good. Is this our other copilot?

Nazreal: negative.

Russ: ahhh, how is she?

Nazreal: she is happy.

Russ: good, good.

Nazreal: she is also asleep.

Russ: oh, are you guys going to have children soon?

Nazreal: have? Had.

Russ: had. Good.

Nazreal: yes.

Russ: oh, you did, that's right I forgot. I've had so much going on.

Nazreal: see what happens when someone professes friendship and then sees you no more.

John: yeah, yeah I can see Russ doing that.

Nazreal: my child is six months old.

Russ: sorry.

Nazreal: you did not come and see Marta when she was large.

Russ: no, I've been kind of slacking off going up on the base a lot lately unfortunately.

Nazreal: yes, thank you.

Russ: thank you. Nazreal, hold on one second and I'll be right back.

Nazreal: I will, we talk?

Johnny: sure, so you're a pilot?

Nazreal: not the kind that I wished to be when I first learned how to fly, I want to be hot dog pilot.

John: so you'd rather be a fighter pilot then doing search and rescue and.....?

Nazreal: at heart yes. But search and rescue no glamor or glory but very important.

John: oh there's no doubt about that.

Nazreal: more dangerous than fighter pilot.

Russ: oh way more dangerous, you've got a bigger ship.

Nazreal: and no armament.

Russ: no armament right and nothing to defend yourself with.

Nazreal: correct, just raw flying talent. I do my best.

Russ: well how do you like the fact that Mark's going to be part of the ground control system now?

Nazreal: I have thing to say, panic.

Russ: (laughs)

Nazreal: just joking.

Russ: of course.

Nazreal: I think he will do fine.

Russ: yeah I do too, I think he's going to commit himself to it just like he does everything else.

Nazreal: yes, he throws his whole being into what he does, keep up good work.

Russ: uh-huh, now maybe I can stop by once in a while if you're ever going to be....

Nazreal: maybe? Maybe?

Russ: well I can tell we would enjoy talking shop once in a while when I get up there.

Nazreal: once in a while?

Russ: well, more often now.

Nazreal: more often than what?

Russ: when was the last time you came and talked to us at channeling sessions and said hi?

Nazreal: you know I do not channel.

Russ: I know, you're doing a great job now though I might add.

Nazreal: I have help.

Russ: ah, Kiri?

Nazreal: yes.

Russ: ah, well that's good. Still you are doing a great job and we clap. Now I will be adding you into the web page, our Internet source of news.

Nazreal: I am aware.

Russ: ah, good because you've got as much important parts up there as everybody else does.

John: what planet do you hail from?

Nazreal: I am native of Sirius, as is my mother.

John: oh okay, you are Sirian.

Nazreal: I was born there, my sister not. (Alana)

Russ: no she wasn't.

Nazreal: see you.

Russ: bye Nazreal.

Nazreal: pleasure to meet you.

John: yes it's very nice meeting you. I'll see you the next time you come around.

---

(Tia comes on to hand off to Katrina and Kiri)


Tia: one guest down.

Russ: so Alana wasn't born on Sirius?

Tia: no.

Russ: where was she born at?

Tia: she was born way out somewhere.

Russ: when they were on duty or something?

Tia: I think before, I think she was about five years old when they went.

Russ: wow perfect, that's a story I hadn't heard yet.

Tia: okay, should I put the next person on?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay

Russ: this might be a two taper.

John: yeah.

---

(Katrina makes one of her only two sessions with Kiri as translator)


Katrina: (says something in Russian)

Russ: Katrina.

Katrina yo.

Russ: dos vedanya.

Katrina: dos vedanya (says someting else in Russian) you speak, I.....

Russ: we'll try it with English?

Katrina: you speak, Kiri speak me.

Russ: okay, fair enough. How are you and Taal?

Kiri: Taal and Katrina are doing fine.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: she's sitting very close to me, I'm stumped on that next one. Okay so what we're going to do is, you ask questions, I'll translate into Sirian and then she will answer.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and I will translate back into English.

Russ: okay. Tell her congratulations on her being an ace now.

Katrina: da.

John: so Katrina speaks Russian because that's where she patrols?

Russ: yeah.

Katrina: da.

Russ: she speaks Russian. And she knows she.....

Katrina: (speaks a more Russian)

Russ: right. Now she knows she got, she's world-famous down here now.

Katrina: nyet, nyet.

Russ: yeah tell her it's on the webpage that she....

Kiri: hold on, hold on, we're having a communication problem here.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: I'm translating and she just butts straight in. She goes no, as in surprise, shock, horror.

Russ: no, no she's, she's been made famous as her latest ace making has been made worldwide knowledge here on earth.  (BATTLE REPORT 10/18/96)

Kiri: she says do you wish her to do victory roll over Red Square? She actually said green square but it's Red Square I think she meant.

Russ: yeah Red Square. No that's all right.

Katrina: Kremilinski.

Kiri: yes Kremlin.

Russ: yes it's the Kremlin. Let's see, Boris Yeltsin of course is getting his operation tonight.

Kiri: he's had his operation.

Russ: yes it's very successful and anything happening with her since then?

Katrina: nyet.

Russ: nothing, how's the Babushka?

Kiri: the little one misses his mother when she is on patrol.

Russ: so who takes care of him when they're gone, both gone or does that happen?

Kiri: it happens sometimes and when that happens........I'm not very good as an interpreter or translator.

Russ: oh you're doing fine.

Kiri: and when that happens, yes it stays in the crèche, the little one.

Russ: ahh okay, good. And no more on the way I take it or planned for a little while?

Katrina: nyet.

Kiri: no.

Russ: yes, I figured that part out. Yeah she didn't like being stuck ground bound...

John: grounded, grounded?

Russ: yeah she was grounded for a while yeah.

Kiri: close to two of your orbits.

Russ: right, she's had to do shuttle piloting......

John: oh, right, right.

Russ: which is no fun. So is she training the new pilots at all?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: good.

Kiri: she trains very hard, fly harder.......sounded like her.......she flies harder than she normally would.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: because she has a reputation as being an ace, she has to be good.

Russ: okay, ask her if you could please for something I can put in the Hades Base News in the news section for this next week.

Kiri: I will do so. The key to being a successful pilot is not just skill and determination, luck and a desire to do what is necessary to stay alive is the key. It is no good feeling remorseful for the pilot that you engage, that they would do it to you so you must do it to them. It is sad to have to terminate a entity's existence but it is better that you remove one instead of that one taking many.

Russ: hmm okay.

Katrina: da.

Russ: tell her thank you....then that one taking....great, that'll make great copy for the news.

Kiri: she says bye now.

Russ: bye Katrina.

John: congratulations on your last.......last battle.

Kiri: message from her, thanks. Is that correct? Yeah.

John: yeah.

Kiri: thanks.

John: cool.

---

(Tia returns once more)


Tia: that is the hardest that I've seen Kiri work doing coercion with Nazreal.

Russ: talking him into it, your nephew?

Tia: I set it up.

Russ: oh did you?

Tia: I got him to come down but it was agreed that she would keep him going. That she would do all the keeping him in place and keeping him feeling confident and comfortable about it.

Russ: he seemed to be doing fine.

Tia: and then with....well towards the end he wasn't, he was starting to get an adrenaline overload. You noticed that....

John: was at the first time he came through Mark's body?

Tia: no, second time.

John: second time.

Tia: yeah, if you notice that Mark's feet and legs all twisted up and everything. His toes curled and twisted, kind of anxiety?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: but....and then translating for Katrina. Okay I'm going to put on the next person.

---

(Omal shares his wisdom with us)


Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Johnny, greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

John: greetings Omal.

Omal: and how is it functioning?

Russ: well it's nice talk to you for now.

Omal: yes.

Russ: kind of a familiar voice for a change.

Omal: instead of one shaven head, young individual and one blonde haired, swimsuit clad young lady.

Russ: Nazreal has a shaved head?

Omal: yes.

Russ: I didn't know that. How come, for the pilot's helmet?

Omal: yes, he does spend a lot of time on missions.

Russ: oh.

Omal: if, as he put it you dropped by more often, you would know these things.

Russ: well I will be dropping by more often. It's enough that I can get up and see Karra right now.

John: so you're hanging out in the pyramid munching some flowers or what?

Omal: I am sitting within the pyramid. As for edible flora and fauna no, I do not participate very often.

Russ: okay, so where to now from what we talked with Korton and Tia, another move from there or something completely different?

Omal: something completely different I believe is in order, something like a man with three buttocks.

Russ: now for something completely different.

Omal: Mr. Arthur Frampton, is it true that you as it would say, vis-à-vis your rump, is that seat comfortable Mr. Frampton?

Russ: yes it is.

Omal: okay now it would be easy to say that you have a bonus in your posterior.

Russ: ah yes it would actually.

Omal: would it be possible Mr. Frampton to vis-à-vis, is it quite comfortable there?

Russ: oh yes, most certainly.

Omal: it would be easy to say that you have 50% bonus in the body region.

Russ: you could say that yes.

Omal: you obviously need to refresh yourself on that Russ.

Russ: I haven't read it in a while though.

Omal: at that point you're meant to say "oh, I've got three cheeks, an extra bum."

John: what is that, a Monty Python routine?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: I thanked the young lady that handed me the transcript.

Russ: that's a good one. Shot the forward to me next time and I'll work on my end.

Omal: she is not allowed to do that, you know that.

Russ: yes I know. I mean she could warn me and I could get it brought up you see.

Omal: okay, now that we have dealt with the banana skin.......

Russ: yes.

Omal: let us proceed.

Russ: all righty.

Omal: are you sure that seat is quite comfortable?

Russ: it's quite comfortable. All righty then, now one thing I never got into with you really but I will now is, what kind of news would you want to see on the webpage there?

Omal: what I would like to see and what actually should be there are two totally different things.

Russ: okay, can we make them closer to one?

Omal: I did not say that you are wrong in what you are doing.

Russ: right.

Omal: my opinion is totally different from what is necessary to be on there. What is on there is as it should be. Information for learning, news and other information.

Russ: now one of the purposes the news is being used is for a look at the base from a third dimensional earth-side point of view to show that well the base operates in much the same way as we do. It's been a few people I've talked to, well one in particular who feels that when you get to sixth dimension you don't even have a body, you're just spirit and you just operate in the aethers and it's like I'm trying to put forth the reality that no that's not really the case.

Omal: okay, let us word it this way for the news and I will go slowly so it is easy for you to transcribe it and thus write it. I was also try to keep it short and brief.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, living on the sixth dimension is not a spirit level. A spirit level is where you no longer need a body. This happens at a much higher dimension, in fact the first transition to a light being or a spirit being occurs in the eighth dimension. The reason why sixth dimensional beings have physical bodies is because living on the sixth dimension is obviously the next level from the third dimension. It is necessary for people to adjust to the spirituality and consciousness before their bodies manifest any changes.

Russ: okay hold on for second, I want to make sure I get this part especially.....consciousness......getting used to the spirituality and consciousness.....

Omal: of being on a higher dimension. The sixth dimension is a place where you learn how to use your abilities. That is a brief explanation on the sixth dimension.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: the seventh dimension, and you think I would let you get off so easy Russ?

Russ: no, of course not.

Omal: is a dimension where the first manifestations of a higher, spiritual, physical vibrations occur.

Russ: .......spiritual vibrations occur.

Omal: unlike lower dimensions, it is very common for the physical bodies to have a self-rejuvenating capability......two I's.

John: aren't you seventh dimensional?

Omal: that is correct.

John: I thought so, why aren't you hanging out in seventh dimension?

Omal: because I have to work in the sixth, it is necessary for me to learn certain lessons. Okay Russ, understanding the fact that a body has the ability to rejuvenate itself and in conjunction with, W.I.T.H.....the learning of the spiritual control of the physical body. This is the, T.H.E., final step before the body becomes irrelevant.

Russ: thank you very much.

Omal: you're welcome. The eighth.....

Russ: (chuckles)

Omal: just joking.

Russ: very funny. I think that's enough news for this week.

Omal: Russell, take your arm and go.

Russ: yeah no doubt.

Omal: okay Johnny, you have questions?

John: I was going to bring up the seventh dimension but you covered that pretty good.

Omal: yes, I think you might've picked up some of the leakage.

John: I think so.

Omal: having to speak slowly and think slowly is not something I'm very good at.

Russ: you did fine. My working with shields on Desiree this week made me a lot more conscious of my own shields and when Tia was working on the political aspects when she first came on I was getting a headache and shielding wasn't seeming to work, why is that?

Omal: I think she accidentally hit Mark's coercive mode.

Russ: oh.

Omal: Tia wasn't coercing you.

Russ: right, just an overflow of energy from that point though?

Omal: no, Mark's body was coercing you, she was.....

Russ: without his conscious awareness of it.

Omal: correct, Tia had activated it.

Russ: oh.

Omal: yeah she was, because we come through Mark's body, we can use his abilities as well as our own. For example if you take Kiri and insert Kiri's consciousness into Mark's body, then she could astral travel in essence.

Russ: oh I see.

Omal: not as well as Mark because she has a limited working knowledge of astral travel and also there would be a conflict of habitation of the same body. Tia happened to kick in her minimal amount of coercion which does not even add up to a pinprick but because she was using her coercive ability in a minute way, she happened to kick Mark's coercive ability in.

Russ: oh.

Omal: and because she was so pumped up emotionally, she just kicked it into fourth gear?

Russ: uh-huh, I get it because as soon as she left no problem, I was back on track again but boy trying to fight off that coercive mode.

Omal: yeah I think if she had kicked it twice more she would've got into overdrive eventually.

Russ: well I assume we'd have to leave the room at that point.

Omal: it would've stretched Mark's ability but it would not be surprising on his coercive level. Okay do you have more questions for me?

Russ: well we're getting a lot of people coming to us for more and more answers. For example Mark for his astral travel knowledge, me just in gratitude for the page and that kind of stuff.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and this is on the Internet and I suppose taking it now to a more physical plane as far as people that we deal with on a daily basis is next in line?

Omal: yes.

Russ: this has been preparing us I take it as a teaching tool?

Omal: yes it has or it is part of the teaching tool.

Russ: that is what I kind of felt like because my communication skills have improved. I've seen Mark's improve drastically or dramatically compared to what it used to be.

Omal: I think Mark's communication skill was very good, it's just that he was lazy with it.

Russ: yeah, he just needed to polish it up a bit.

Omal: I think he needed to reawaken it would be a better way of saying it.

Russ: well I'm glad he's working on the astral travel part, that's good for him............

Omal: yes.

Russ: but the chatline and stuff he's getting much more fluid in his conversations.

Omal: I think he is overcoming his shyness.

Russ: good.

Omal: okay last question from each of you if you so desire.

Russ: okay, umm.......

Omal: Johnny, last question please.

John: about dimensions.......

Omal: uh-huh.

John: there is an infinite number of dimensions?

Omal: ummm, yes in essence. The way that it works is that dimensions are an infinite number due to the fact of there is an infinite number of alternate realities. This means that there are a infinite number of different dimensions. As far as we know it is limited but our understanding itself is limited. I could say that there are several thousand different levels of dimensions, I could be wrong. Russ.

Russ: okay now speaking on different levels of dimensions, Mark and I got into this conversation here last week and I wanted to bring it up with you and that is concerning Tia's predictions.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I mentioned the fact that it really seems from just an outward appearance which I know is false but that there is no things to worry about, that what we're looking at now is something where we'll be on an alternate dimension that bypasses scenario B and goes straight to scenario A but a part of us will be on a dimension that hits scenario B.

Omal: that is self-evident but continue.

Russ: okay of course this is strictly optimistic and kind of idealistic but what are the chances of such a thing occurring, odds wise?

Omal: ummm it is hard to say, I think Tia's predictions are.......I'll rephrase that, I feel that Tia's predictions are pretty on the mark. If you take out all her emotional outbursts and look at the facts, Tia is pretty much on the mark and as we are dealing with you in your timeline and Tia's predictions are in your timeline, then it seems self-evident that that that is the way it would go. The biggest problem I see between you and Mark is the fact that you are not cautious enough and Mark is too cautious and the two extremes are so extreme that they do not balance each other.

Russ: hmm, I see, thank you.

Omal: you're welcome.

John: thank you very much.

Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back.

Russ: farewell.

John: see you around.

---

(Tia finishes up this side of the tape)


Tia: Omal has left the building, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Russ: that means he's still there.

Tia: yeah I know he's still there, I'm just being silly. How about that cup of tea? Omal talking slowly has dried Mark's throat something rotten.

Russ: thanks.

John: back online.

Tia: okay we originally wanted the channeling session to start at 7:30 at the latest because it is going to be a long session. I told Mark to tell you how many people were going to be present. I think I said, or told Mark seven. We have three more people to talk. We've already had myself, Karra, Omal, Korton, Katrina and Nazreal. That's six. We don't have two more people, we have three more people.

Russ: well we'll just add more tape then.

Tia: yes, okay.

Russ: now what I was going to say......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: was.......okay Korton brought this up and Omal brought this up.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and that is now Korton says at this point we need to be more circumspect concerning our preparations for the future.

Tia: uh-huh, no he didn't say circumspect, he said cautious.

Russ: I know he said cautious but I hate repeating everybody.

Tia: there is sometimes a reason why things are repeated.

Russ: yes but then Omal said Mark is too cautious and I'm not cautious enough so obviously there is a meeting point.

Tia: he also said that you were two extremes that were unable to meet because you were so extreme.

Russ: no he did not say that.

Tia: no he said that you are two extremes that do not complement each other because you are too extreme.

Russ: right so....

John: I think he used the word balance.

Tia: yeah balance, I think you're right there Johnny.

John: I believe so.

Tia: anyway, let us continue.

Russ: now so we need to get more closer to the middle.

Tia: uh-huh but there are certain things that I feel that Mark is quite correct in that are extreme that you wouldn't.

Russ: but that's where we need to reach more of a middle ground on see?

Tia: yeah but what I'm saying is that when Mark talks about the Little A'Le'Inn and not going there right?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: and you talk about driving around and trying to get on to the range right?

Russ: no just to the black mailbox.

Tia: yeah to the black mailbox. Isn't that a little bit two extremes? I feel that Mark is quite correct in his idea of avoiding the area like the plague at this time. Things could change where it might be useful to go down there but at this time with the amount of activity down there, I think it would be better to not as it were.

Russ: and see here I'm saying well what difference does it make because nobody's going to know it's me and Mark compared to me and Joe Blow from Sacramento?

Tia: earlier on you were saying that you don't underestimate your government and now you do. Please make up your mind, what are you going to do?

Russ: no I said I trusted my government.

Tia: uh-huh but you also said you don't underestimate your government, well didn't say it but you implied it.

Russ: did I?

Tia: yes, now you are underestimating them. Okay let's say they take a picture of you right? And they identify you and they take a picture of Mark but they can't identify him. Now think, what are they going to do? Oh that's some person with Mr. Hatfield there? What would you do Johnny?

John: well I don't know, I mean it depends on how badly I wanted to find out who the person was.

Tia: exactly, but you would want to find out who it was.

John: well if I didn't want to find it out badly, I'd find out...

Tia: think like a Special Agent.

John: well I'd find out through Russ.

Tia: yeah but say you don't know Russ right? You've seen a picture of him, it's identified as Russell Hatfield right? But who is the person next to him? Now think as a Special Agent. Would you want to know or would you just go "oh it's some guy."?

John: depends on the circumstances. I mean you could abduct Russ you know what I mean and try to get the information from him that you wanted. You could tap his phone which might already be tapped. There's lots of things you could do....surveillance.

Tia: yeah but you would want to know who the other person is.

Russ: I don't get it though Tia, do you know more information about this than I do and you're not telling me? Is that what this is or are you telling me without actually telling me? I mean no one's ever implied that you drive to the black mailbox and you get a photo taken. I mean it's so far off the base that you're not even near the sign saying warning....

Tia: everybody that goes up there, where do they go? They go to the Little A'Le'Inn and then they go on the tour which happens to include....

Russ: the black mailbox.

Tia: think about it.

Russ: yeah well it's a tourist destination. You get families from Poughkeepsie coming by and checking out what the Little A'Le'Inn and the black mailbox are all about. This is all over the entire world that you hear about this.

Tia: yeah and you might get families from Belyaski coming and visiting or Gorky.

Russ: so you're saying the government takes pictures of everyone driving up and try to figure out who they are? It sounds a lot more X-Files than it sounds reality here.

Tia: there are some truth to the X-Files and then there is some way out, whacked out fantasies.


SIDE TWO ENDS

SIDE THREE


(Tia continues the discussion)

 
Tia: no, okay as I was saying before we had to change the tape is that if you go there you will not be able to go back because there is the possibility that they will have your picture on file. With today's computers right? You could have a picture right? And then a picture taken 10 years later and say "find a match within specified parameters". Let say ears, eyes, nose and length of the head. That would narrow it down from maybe let's say 10,000 people that had visited there to maybe 10 people.

Russ: okay.

Tia: now if you take into certain other characteristics like colors of eyes, color of skin, height, amount of hair, body temperature and so on, you'll probably narrow it down to two or three. So the problem is that if you go there, you won't be able to go back. Never assume that people that are visiting there are just happen to be friendly locals or friendly visitors. The thing is, believe no one in that kind of situation.

Russ: well if that was the case then we're already dead meat anyway because if the government is taking pictures of everyone who drives up to see what's up with the black mailbox, then basically everyone who starts accessing stuff like the government conspiracy files like we do on the Internet is already a target. You're saying I mean that's the kind of paranoia we're talking about here.

Tia: doesn't it fit into what I said earlier on?

Russ: and I still say we're talking X-Files here, it doesn't make sense. The government does not waste their resources in such a way.

Tia: no, they go overseas and get money and other people to do it. Okay....

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(Kornas stops in for a chat)


Kornas: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: is this Taal?

Kornas: no.

Russ: no. Okay.

Kornas: your beloved should give you a clue.

John: Leonedies.

Kornas: no.

Russ: no, and it's not soon enough for Tanaka to show up.

Kornas: no. Hold on one second.

Russ: oh, Kornas.

(Karra pops in: I was about to say, quick clue dear, oh my God the boss is here. Thank you)

Russ: Kornas, duh. Sorry Kornas.

Kornas: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings, it has been close to three years now.

Kornas: yes. I need from you a visitation to my research lab.

Russ: genetic essay?

Kornas: your appointment card is waiting for you.

Russ: okay, it has been a while yes.

Kornas: do you astral travel in the chair there?

John: oh, no I don't.

Kornas: oh pity, never mind.

Russ: no you're lucky, you don't get the genetic essay, I do. All right.

Kornas: you say that with the tone of disrespect, why?

Russ: no a tone of anticipation.

Kornas: nervous anticipation.

Russ: yes.

Kornas: do you not like to visit for genetic essay and information?

Russ: oh I like to just visit, the needle's part always get me a little bit nervous.

Kornas: does not correlate with information stated on view screen.

Russ: oh. Well no, I will be there and I look forward to finding out what my genetic essay has changed to.

Kornas: remember, I am seventh dimensional Russ, you cannot pull the wool over my eyes as it were.

Russ: I know.

Kornas: not like Karra's or Kiri's or other of the young people present here.

Russ: well just the last time I got my genetic essay, I felt like a pin cushion.

Kornas: that is the purpose of getting genetic material so that understanding and planning can be achieved. It is not for pleasure of yourself, it is for the bettering understanding for those that come after.

Russ: I understand, it is a necessary tool.

Kornas: that is correct, cynicism in your voice...

Russ: no I'm really serious this time.

Kornas: does not suit.

John: you're not doing very well there Russ.

Russ: well when I get to seventh dimension I'm sure I'll do much better.

Kornas: sarcasm, yes I have heard of that.

Russ: well, you haven't been around very much.

Kornas: I have been around plenty, I have other projects, I keep an eye on things. Certain individuals supply me somewhat reluctantly with information.

Russ: all right, I'll be busy tomorrow, will Thursday be okay?

Kornas: Thursday will be fine.

Russ: all right, I'll stop in Thursday then.

Kornas: late, I will be working in my office as usual. Your convenience at time Thursday of your evening or Friday of your morning.

Russ: it will be probably Friday morning because I'll be working Thursday night. All right Kornas, it's a deal. Friday morning, bright and early I shall see you at the lab.

Kornas: was that a tone of humor? I have heard of that.

Russ: no, that was actually I will see you Friday morning at your lab.

Kornas: okay.

Russ: thank you Kornas.

---

(Tia takes over again)


Tia: I hate it when it's that time.

Russ: yeah I do too.

Tia:  uh-uh.

Russ: and it's only been three years.

John: what's the purpose of this?

Russ: genetic assays are to find out your.......

Tia: psychic abilities and how you're developing and if you have any genetic flaws and so on.

John: oh okay.

Russ: last time had it I came up with my healing ability showing strong, my communication ability showing strong, various other things showing quite weak but my genetic...

Tia: essay was fairly clean.

Russ: my genes are real clean.

Tia: I wouldn't say real clean, they could do with a wash.

Russ: well my family is pretty well, there are not major mutations in there.

Tia: apart from you.

Russ: well hey, there's always going to be a black sheep somewhere.

Tia: yes.

Russ: yes.

Tia: okay, two more people to go.

Russ: ah we're on a roll. Well one of them is Kiri so that'll be half........that will be energizing more than anything else.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: bye

Tia: (says bye in Durondedunn)

---

(Kiri comes in but has to leave again quickly)


Russ: hi kiddo.

Kiri: yo dude.

Russ: what's up sweetheart?

Kiri: oh you know.

Russ: you're looking fit and fiddle.

Kiri: yes I've got some nice exercise in on my vacation.

Russ: did you now?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: what?

Kiri: no, just imitating my hiking. I had a chest harness on here with stuff packed in it, I have my carry pack with Leonedies sitting in the top, and then my pouches on the side of that and my hip pouches and then I had leg pouches. It was.....

John: yeah you haven't been by to visit much.

Kiri: oh I've been pretty busy.

John: you've been busy huh?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah. Hold on one second.

---

(Tia fills in until Kiri is free again)


Russ: switch off, switch on.

Tia: she will be back.

Russ: okay.

Tia: yeah, her little pager went beep beep, beep beep, beep beep, beep beep, beep beep.

Russ: who, Lyka?

Tia: no.

Russ: who, Tia?

Tia: Kiri's.

John: Kiri's beeper.

Russ: oh Kiri's beeper.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah, I caught that.

Russ: I didn't, I thought it was Kiri back in again.

Tia: do we sound so much alike?

Russ: yes as a matter of fact, there are certain points where.....

John: there's a similarity there yeah.

Tia: I suppose because we live together.

John: yeah and you're talking through a man's body.

Tia: yeah, true, true, true, true.

Russ: I mean from our point of view sweetheart.......

Tia: there is no difference.

John: and you're talking through a man's body with a really funny English accent.

Tia: it is funny, I find it amusing. Anyway okay.......

John: I hope Mark finds my comment amusing.

Russ: hey babe, question for you.

Tia: yes.

Russ: I've noticed that I and probably Johnny and you even have a certain ability to mimic things that we're around. For example, if you were....let's see what happened the other night? I watched a, some kind of a movie, oh no a snowboard magazine I was reading, Blunt. Very punk rockish and mental deviated kind of snowboard magazine.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I ended up.....and I was talking like that for a while until I shook it off and it was like....

Tia: yeah but I don't talk like that dude. Yeah you never hear me saying things like, it's real rad and gnarly to be here dude.

Russ: it's a total creation this time.

Tia: yeah dude.

Russ: but I mean, yeah we all kind of absorb our environment from around us right?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah kind of, kind of. I'll be right back, I'm having a semi-aquatic life form in Mark's throat.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: I'll be back, keep talking amongst yourselves.

John: a semi-what?

Russ: frog in her throat.

Tia: told you not to put it on hold, I wasn't going to be gone that long.

John: he told me to put it on hold so it's either do I listen to you or listen to him?

Tia: who's the ring mistress?

Russ: you are darling.

Tia: okay and don't you forget that.

Russ: I wouldn't even if I had bothered to try to say I'm the ring mistress.

Tia: okay who's in charge of the channeling session?

Russ: yeah you are sweetheart.

John: but Russ lives here.

Russ: doesn't matter.

Tia: I'm in charge of the channeling session, I say who goes on, I say when the tape gets switched off.

Russ: I'm only in charge the bills.

Tia: I wish you were in charge of Bill. Okay now.

Russ: so you find this happening to you then also?

Tia: no, not very often.

Russ: the absorbing of your environment?

Tia: assimilating.

Russ: assimilating.

Tia: no not very often. Okay.

Russ: well your environment doesn't change much anyway really. Now Kiri's does on the other hand.

---

(Kiri smoothly makes the transition)


Kiri: dude it does.

Russ: it does see?

Kiri: I do it because you have a difficulty distinguishing between Tia and myself and Karra and myself sometimes dude.

Russ: well less Karra than you.

Kiri: there were times when.

Russ: oh well yeah there have been times sure.

Kiri: well that's going to goof things up. Oh well okay, you've got my undivided attention.

Russ: okay sweetheart, I'm talking about the assimilation of your environment from around you.

Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Russ: and how each of us can go into a different situation with different people and like chameleons, change to....

Kiri: no it's more of a necessary survival instinct to blend in so that you act in a way that is non-threatening.

Russ: okay so, how strong is this going to come into effect in our future?

Kiri: it depends on the situations and the environments. Are you the majority or the minority?

Russ: okay so if you're in the minority?

Kiri: you try to change to be assimilated by the bigger majority.

Russ: but hold your own views within.

Kiri: uh-huh, that is correct.

Russ: okay. Now what if those views contradict completely what you believe? Like say we get hooked into some militia for some reason and have to blend in but yet the militia's into this anti-black, anti-Jew, Christ consciousness kind of thing?

Kiri: I don't see that you would be involved in something like that.

Russ: oh it's just an example.

Kiri: uh-huh but that doesn't stop you from believing your own beliefs in your heart of heart.....

Russ: correct.

Kiri: speaking the party line as it were but that's not really my field. You're asking Tia's questions to me.

Russ: not really, not really due to the fact that you as a coercer would have an understanding of this in the fact that well now you have an ability, you have absorbed into the majority...

Kiri: I don't...

Russ: can you change the majority mind around back the minority at all? Do you have a position you could actually use to your advantage?

Kiri: yes and no. It is, do you want to endanger yourself?

Russ: well, how good are you?

Kiri: no, the question should be how good are you?

Russ: well that's what I mean, it's a rhetorical question.

Kiri: yes me? I could do it, you? I doubt very much. Mark? Maybe. Johnny? possibly. You no for the simple reason that Johnny knows how they work, Johnny knows how their mindset is, you don't.

Russ: I'm a quick learner. I know, I get your point.

Kiri: can you afford to make the mistake? One mistake will get you severely hurt, two mistakes will get you even worser hurt.

Russ: up against the wall.

Kiri: put it this way, after the second mistake there will be no more mistakes. That's really goofed things up.

Russ: why?

John: what?

Kiri: you'll see.

Russ: okay of course.

Kiri: okay but in the meantime, do you have any questions? As I've already been in once tonight and chatted briefly.

Russ: well, what's the news with your dad?

Kiri: oh he's doing fine.

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and Sarah?

Kiri: Sarah is doing extremely fine.

Russ: good.

Kiri: she said to say hello and to say doing fine. Her implants don't hurt as much, (Put in by the Grays.) she absolutely adores my grandmother.

Russ: well no doubt, sweet lady.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and life expectancy no change?

Kiri: no change.

Russ: no change.

Kiri: a year at most and she perfectly understands and accepts that, in fact she told me just now that she had gone shopping.

Russ: shopping?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: from a convent?

Kiri: well kind of shopping.

Russ: I guess.

Kiri: she went out in to the woods and picked out her tree.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh, an old wooden tree that is almost dead that's going to be cut down anyway. She said that she wanted that particular tree. It's almost a white oak and tomorrow she's going to be looking at materials and stuff.

Russ: for her burial plot.

Kiri: well for her coffin.

Russ: her coffin.

Kiri: uh-huh, she understands what's happening, she's adjusting to it. She wanted to know if I could get some silk for the pillow.

Russ: yeah that's no problem.

Kiri: well she wanted earth silk.

Russ: yeah that's still no problem.

Kiri: I'll get her a bolt of it.

Russ: yeah I would, Japan would probably be your best bet.

Kiri: yeah. Well actually I was thinking from in the heart of China.

Russ: good call there.

John: what did she say, China?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: now does she find being on sixth dimension on Sirius an easier transitional phase then sixth dimensional within a fifth dimensional space on Hades Base?

Kiri: yes, she doesn't have the pressure on her skull that causes as much pain. Also the medication that they're giving her is taking away a lot of the pain and the fact that she spends a lot of time following my grandmother around and helping my grandmother with her chores which keeps her active and the fact that she's outside breathing fresh air under real sunlight, getting lots of vitamin C. She's got tan lines finally, even though it's only faint tan lines. She was sitting there and I was talking to her just now and she goes, "look, tan line". And it was sort of like, "where? I think you should go and take a bath", which she thought was funny.

Russ: this was on the beeper that you got?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: yeah, she beeped me, she thought the session was over.

Russ: oh no problem. So who's doing the coercing now that you're gone, anybody?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: grandma?

Kiri: uh-huh, that's where I got it from.

Russ: good.

Kiri: I'm better than grandmother, much, much better. But she's got enough to...

Russ: well you graduated with honors sweetheart.

Kiri: uh-huh, she never went to that kind of school. Didn't have the opportunity unfortunately. I think that if she had, she might've picked up the trophy just once. I picked it up twice. Champion coercer, two years in a row. As I think you would say, a freshman and then a senior?

John: yeah, on a collegiate level?

Kiri: no planet level.

John: on a planet level.

Russ: now Kornas asked about whether he could astral travel up to get a genetic essay.

Kiri: he's always looking for fresh material.

Russ: oh no doubt.

Kiri: are you willing victim?

John: is he some kind of scientist?

Kiri: he's a geneticist

John: geneticist oh.

Kiri: uh-huh, he's liable to walk up to you with a needle about this long and say "how you doing?" as he slides it into your gut. Or walk up behind you and go "Johnny, I'd like a talk with you" and be standing right behind you and all of a sudden you feel a very stabbing pain in the butt.

Russ: yep, that's how he got me.

John: sounds interesting, pretty wild.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah I went down to go visit Karra, here comes Kornas.

Kiri: walks up behind Russ and goes bop and then wanders away without saying anything.

Russ: yeah lots of laughs with Kornas there. So how's his genetic essay figure do you think?

Kiri: well we can't get Johnny up here to astral travel so we can't get it into the factor.

Russ: now we've got a, we've got some monitors on him right now.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: none of them will do the trick huh?

Kiri: we need actual genetic material or material from the astral body.

John: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: so what you're saying is that your astral body has the same DNA as your physical body?

Kiri: has the information.

John: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now by astral traveling up here, you can stay in your astral form, we can condense it and throw in molecules and stuff which will condense into the structure that would be in your physical body and then we just extract that by the same sort of method apart from you would use a larger needle with a little bit of a electrical field to keep it stable.

Russ: much larger.

John: interesting.

Kiri: I don't think a needle this long is larger or smaller than a needle this long.

Russ: I do, when you look at one, one looks to be 2 feet long and one looks to be one foot long.

Kiri: well?

Russ: it's a perception kind of thing, especially in your astral body which tends to magnify things.

Kiri: oh you're scared of needles.

Russ: big giant, bloody needles like that, hell yes. Terrifies the &@$#& out of me. Okay, so how do we get Johnny's DNA there.

Kiri: I wouldn't worry about it at the moment. We'll get it when the time is right.

Russ: okay.

John: I guess I'll go have to go up there.

Kiri: no, no, well take your time, you've got plenty of time.

John: yeah I'll have to go up there and visit Kornas.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well Mark's working on the astral travel stuff right now with the training program he's working on we'll put on the internet.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: why don't you just ask him to have you share with it?

Kiri: okay, I'm going to put on the next person.

Russ: okay sweetheart.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you look pretty regal like that, you know that? Kinda reminds me of Karra a little bit.

Kiri: okay I've got to get comfortable here.

---

(Leonedies shares his wisdom)


Leonedies: greetings and felicitations and welcome. Tonight we're going to discuss important issues concerning the evolutionary level of the mind. It is necessary to understand the evolutionary level of the mind as heading in a particular avenue of.....I'm sorry.

Russ: that's all right, mom called you on that one eh?

Leonedies: yes.

Russ: okay.

Leonedies: it is necessary to understand that the evolutionary levels of the mind is a necessary development of the progress of the individual. In relationship to the greater expansion of the mind, it is necessary to learn patience in the process to be assimilated by the developmental level of the consciousness of the group. The group consciousness is reflected in turn in the individual who in turn returns the complement back to the group by expanding the group consciousness into a much more refined level of understanding. The level of understanding is refined further thus through analysis and internal debate within the individual. The individual has a affect on the large collective consciousness in the development of a higher spiritual awareness.

Russ: right.

Leonedies: questions. Did you not comprehend what I just said, did you?

Russ: no I do exactly because this follows right along to what I was talking about with your mother (Kiri) concerning assimilating into a larger group where you do not, you're the minority.

Leonedies: no, it is not the same, you are talking of a hostile environment. I am trying to explain that on a spiritual level that an individual can from a analytic point of view affect the larger group if it is of the same consciousness, group consciousness. The group consciousness works in conjunction with the individual's consciousness to expand itself plus the individual on a specific goal that is designed by the group consciousness. The group consciousness is avenue is reflected by the individual's actions, it is a spiral that is climbing higher and higher. The more refined and analytic the individual, the more refined and analytical the group consciousness. The group consciousness in turn helps to distill and refine to a higher-level yet again the development of the individual. The individuals work separately but together with the group.

Russ: okay case in point, the spiritual web chat that your father (Mark) talks upon nightly down here......

Leonedies: uh-huh.

Russ: is this a good example of what you're working with or talking about?

Leonedies: no. It is a group of individuals with a specific goal. That from what I comprehend does not have a specific goal apart from the exchanging of ideas and information. It is, my references are to a group of people aiming for one particular point of like minds.

John: would that be like us doing the channeling?

Leonedies: yes.

John: all right, and Russ and Mark and I working towards a survival type mode.

Leonedies: that is correct. Working on a survival mode is something that is necessary for an expansion of the collective. The collective of your group of three may increase. It is necessary for the collective consciousness of....what is happening to the throat?

Russ: oh he's got a throat problem, it's dried up.

Leonedies: ahh okay, I will compensate. Okay, the collective consciousness of the group of three may increase to a higher number. You are working for a specific goal of survival, enlightenment and exchanging of information for the specific goal of achieving a higher level of evolution. In return for this advancement to a higher level of evolution, you pay the supplying information service a necessary boon of other services for the development of other groups. The information that is given to you by the parent group for your survival and advancement is necessary for its own survival. The necessary levels to attain in achieving the goals is mutually beneficial for those purposes. The purposes in connect........why are things slow?

Russ: umm, third dimensional.

Leonedies: understand.

Russ: okay so the parent group is Hades Base.

Leonedies: correct.

Russ: how is it that we are helping with its survival?

Leonedies: by your understanding and returning of information.

Russ: why would they need our help?

Leonedies: because there are information factors that are not readily available to the base.

Russ: ahh, so we increase their information as they increase ours.

Leonedies: correct, that you also exchange points of view which are useful for them and they give you points of view that are useful to you. It is mutually beneficial trade.

Russ: can they measure the consciousness of the planet from a small group like this?

Leonedies: no.

Russ: they need a much larger group.

Leonedies: correct.

Russ: okay. But we, by working from our parent group, can work on that consciousness.

Leonedies: correct.

Russ: I understand.

Leonedies: by your actions within your primitive Earth communications and everyday actions in life and mother, be quiet.

(speaking to his mother)

Russ: (laughs) yes I understand.

Leonedies: it is necessary for your actions to be measured and done with the best intent. It is no good charging into actions like some large horned animal and smashing lots of different little ceramic objects. You must weigh your actions and achieve the goals that is desired and the results will return in complement to you. Quiet.

(speaking to his mother again)

Russ: okay. All right, now best point of view for achieving that is the state that we're working on now?

Leonedies: correct, it is necessary for you to proceed as you are. It is wrong for me to say do this, do that or whatever, you have to proceed what is suitable for you and is designed by the personnel up here on the base.

Russ: because the evolution of the mind will take place no matter what.

Leonedies: I am afraid that I would lack the patience to guide you. The fact that I lack experiences on a third dimensional level that are readily accessible at this time and what I can access is old and out of date would serve no purpose so it's no use asking me the information that you need.

Russ: obviously but you are part of the parent group.

Leonedies: in a limited way.

Russ: so you are increasing your knowledge from your corresponding with us.

Leonedies: correct, at this time I am the pupil even though my intelligence is vastly superior to yours, I need your lessons to help me to learn to return the favor.

Russ: understand.

Leonedies: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

John: thank you very much.

---

(Kiri takes over from her son)


John: that was heavy.

Russ: he makes a good pupil.

John: that was heavy. And the way he started out, I mean he was just reeling.

Russ: that's the way his mind works and a lot faster actually, he probably slowed that down to get to our level.

Kiri: yes. If you'll notice....

Russ: mother be quiet.

(everyone laughs)

John: that was great.

Kiri: if you notice to start off with, his mouth moved a few times........

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: that was him adjusting.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and I let them go as far as I could but I don't, I have put my foot down sometimes.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: I mean the fact that he told me to be quiet three times, the fourth time he started to think it and it was all right, no that's it, finish up and it was sort of like no. It was sort like finish up.

Russ: because he was learning as fast as he could as we were.

John: feisty little guy, ain't he?

Kiri: yeah, and he talks fast as he is analyzing.

Russ: yeah because I mean what we're doing here in slow motion to him.......

John: right.

Russ: he's picking up and reading 20 million different things into it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: right.

Russ: but hey, his evolution is a lot different from ours so how can we comprehend where he's up to?

Kiri: that's correct.

Russ: now he is going to be instrumental in our future though I have a feeling.

Kiri: uh-huh, I think he drained all the energy out of the foot there.

Russ: it's asleep?

Kiri: shhh, can we have some water in there? Cold, take it from the bathroom there but yes, your question before you run upstairs and I'll answer it loudly.

Russ: he is going be instrumental in the future that we will have to do.

Kiri: he could become one of the pupils, if you want to run upstairs I'll speak loudly so you can hear. Take it from the bathroom.

Russ: I thought he was going to be when the teachers.

Kiri: he could be one of the teachers that will help later on through channelings and through correspondence one way or another. It's necessary for Leonedies to first of all learn your earth communications, your earth thought patterns so that he can slow himself down to be able to talk at a measured rate which is understandable and thank you, that is necessary for understanding.

John: that makes sense, after all he is a super operant correct?

Kiri: correct and he does bang on sometimes. I can say that because he's my son and he can be very condescending and arrogant.

John: well there again I can see that......

Russ: he has a right to be. I mean when he says, "I am the pupil even though I am vastly superior in knowledge ", yeah of course?

Kiri: uh-huh. He's true but he could've worded it better.

Russ: not really, because...

Kiri: oh Russ, that's arrogant, arrogant and blunt.

John: he's blunt, yeah.

Kiri: no tact.

Russ: I mean look at how young the kid is. I mean I agree Ashtar wouldn't come in and say the same things in the same way but Ashtar has many millennia of experience more than he does.

Kiri: yeah whereas Leonedies is blunt and to the point.

Russ: but he won't be always.

Kiri: I hope not, I hope not.

Russ: well you've got Mark there as a father, he's third dimensional.

Kiri: yes and Mark is totally the opposite that he'll beat around the bush.

Russ: but doesn't Mark have, doesn't he get lots of input from Mark?

Kiri: yes he does, a lot.

Russ: that's what I figured.

Kiri: and Mark is very strict with him. If he starts to talk too fast or communicate too quickly or attempt to start probing, Mark will turn around and say, "no, stop it" and walk away and that is the worst punishment for him because basically what Mark's doing is shutting off his communication source.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: that he has to find somebody else to talk to because he wants to learn you see? And it is taking away that learning you see? So he gets upset right and he's learned to stop Mark from walking away is to behave in a much better way but yet I bring him into the channeling session and he behaves as if he's interrogating.

Russ: reminds me of remember, Johnny Five from......

Kiri: "Short Circuit".

Russ: "Short Circuit", Johnny Five. "Input, I need input."

John: oh okay the......

Russ: robot.

John: the robot yeah.

Kiri: yeah exactly, exactly.

Russ: need input.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: session over?

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: session over?

Kiri: no not yet.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: we've got one more speaker.

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(Tia ushers in the last speaker)


Tia: okay, I'm going to put on the last speaker.

Russ: okay, I didn't think there was one.

Tia: there is, the last speaker showed up.

Russ: there is now.

Tia: yes, this has to be a new record.

Russ: ten? Oh yeah this is definitely a new record.

John: yeah, this is a new record.

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(Alana wraps up a very long session)


Alana: hello, greetings.

Russ: hello?

John: hello.

Alana: come on.

Russ: it's not Karra.

Alana: no it's not Karra.

Russ: it's Alana.

Alana: correct.

Russ: that's what I thought. You have your mom's way of speaking.

Alana: well I am my mother's daughter.

Russ: yes you are and your brother was on earlier so we get the whole family on tonight.

Alana: oh he was?

Russ: yeah, Nazreal came in for a while.

Alana oh.

Russ: coerced horribly by your aunt. Johnny I'd like you to meet my bondmate Alana.

Alana: hello.

John: hello, I think we've met before haven't we?

Alana: yes we have once.

Russ: oh.

John: yeah I thought so.

Russ: I wasn't sure.

John: I thought we had.

Russ: I hate to be the antisocial person.

Alana: yes I thought I would drop by.

Russ: well thank you darling, good, I have questions for you.

Alana: okay.

Russ: now I've been reading a book written by a Earth author down here named Ann McCaffrey called the "Dolphins of Pern".

Alana: yes.

Russ: okay, and if you haven't got up on the base I'm certain I can have it sent up.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and it involves another planet where Earth's colonists go to to settle down and take some dolphins with them.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: unfortunately though they lose communication back with Earth and in the course of some 2,500 years, forget all about their origins and where they come from or anything.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: and the dolphins through this 2,500 years evolve, they were treated with something called meta-synth which help them develop earth languages, or English to speak English. And there used to be dolphins and their dolphineers which were their human counterparts that would work with them. And in this book it shows how 2,500 years, the dolphins reestablish their communication with man and working with them on determining currents and various places where the fish are thriving and this kind of thing.

Alana yes.

Russ: but I'm wondering is where your studies are taking you to, is that a similar route that you are going with these Sirian dolphins?

Alana: yes and no, what we're actually doing is we are studying the next evolutionary step for the dolphins. I communicate as best I can with the Sirian dolphins.

Russ: right.

Alana: that is obviously verbal communication as well as thought communication.

Russ: uh-huh.

Alana: I can tell them what to do in Sirian, the fact that they can't respond in Sirian is besides the point. They respond as I've said in the past telepathically.

Russ: right.

Alana: what we're trying to do is by introducing a population or a pod of earth dolphins is to see how spiritually developed they are. Like you have helped to create a Guardian race, they are helping to create a Guardian race here. The fact that most dolphins cannot astral travel means that we have to get a resident population up here for that purpose.

Russ: uh-huh, and how are those studies coming along?

Alana: they're coming along fine. I hadn't realized Katrina's legs were quite that long.

Russ: they are pretty long.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah she's a very statuesque lady.

Alana: yes she is hmm, sorry.

Russ: that's all right, little woolgathering there I'm sure. Now as you know, or actually I don't think you do know, in March I'll be going down to Cancun, Mexico.

Alana: mother told me.

Russ: ahh and I will be going and visiting dolphins for the first time in my life to actually go swim with them.

Alana: uh-hmm.

Russ: and I could go visit some caged up dolphins somewhere I'm sure and get right......

Alana: no you don't want to do that.

Russ: but I don't really want to do that, I think the vibes would be all wrong. I'd rather go visit them in their natural surroundings much more conducive to.....

Alana: actually when you're in the water.......it's hard........in fact what I'd like you to do is to go with the caged dolphins right? And telepathically try with your mind to say that you are going to visit other dolphins, is there any messages?

Russ: oh okay.

Alana: and then you go swimming with the dolphins right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Alana: in the water and you relay the feelings and the emotions and the messages and then you go back to the ones in captivity and swim with those and make a fuss of them and give the feelings that you have received but it could be a two-edged sword. It depends on how spiritually they are evolved.

Russ: hmmm, it could be a good challenge though.

Alana: I will make myself available to discuss this, this is something that is a torturous question to ask and I do have other things on my mind. I don't want to be brought down to a negative level of thinking of this.

Russ: I understand, I understand.

Alana: she really does have long legs.

Russ: well I think it's a being you know the half-and-half.

(half Sirian and half "Blue Guys")

Alana: and it's also the fact that the way she's stretching her toes at the moment.

Russ: ah well that has probably something to do with it. Okay....

Alana: she's got them...if I can get the foot to move........like that.

Russ: oh okay, very good.

Alana: uh-huh, that's a Kiri designed swimsuit.

Russ: ah yeah.

Alana: hmm, matches the one I've got on. Okay sorry.

Russ: no that's all right. Now..

Alana: yes sorry.

Russ: now is it this last weekend that was the Salmon Festival?

Alana: no it's starting this weekend.

Russ: coming up this weekend, that's what okay..........and Karra's......

Alana: oh really, after your genetic essay huh?

Russ: yeah, unfortunately.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: Karra's making a salmon mousse, what are you bringing?

Alana: umm, I'm going to do a stuffed salmon with nuts and stuff and flowers. (see glossary)

Russ: oohh flowers as in THE flowers?

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: oh ho ho, this will be a nice little festival thanks to you.

Alana: sorry, no pink flowers are in there, just red flowers all down the innards.

Russ: all the red ones will be quite fine I'm sure, you'll be the hit of the party. "Get the stuffed one, get the stuffed one up, that's the one."

Alana: well I'm bringing three of them.

Russ: oh my God.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, yeah well....

Alana: yes well I have plenty of tradeable goods.
 

THE TAPE ENDS.