(Tia gets the session started)
Russ: okay, we're live.
Tia: (says hi in
Russ: how's it going tonight?
Tia: oh I'm a little tired.
Russ: I'm sorry to hear that.
Tia: oh that's all right, I enjoyed
Russ: ahh, what did you do?
Tia: creche duty.
Russ: oh that's right.
Tia: kind of.
Russ: what did you do with the little
Tia: oh a little bit of this, a little
bit of that. It's very hard not to show favoritism.
Okay, business time.
Tia: uh-huh. Well my my, aren't we a
little bit short?
Russ: yeah but it's a genetic fault
darling, don't blame anybody but your parents. (teasing
Tia: (says something rude
Russ: okay yeah, there's only two of
Tia: uh-huh. Did you let in Mark's
Russ: no, should I?
Tia yeah, before she pees her
tiny little tush and you can put on a kettle whilst
you're at it. So how's it going?
John: oh okay, I'm kind of tired, I
don't feel that well myself.
Tia: oh I understand, I understand.
Yeah by the way when I go (preowww), that means
hello in Durondedunn.
John: oh, that's what you're saying is
John: oh okay, now I understand.
Tia: yeah it's for his benefit so that
he doesn't get confused that it's Kiri or Karra
John: okay and that'll help me too
because I still get confused sometimes myself.
Tia: yeah Mark and Russ are going to
help me work on some notes so it's a little bit
easier for me to tell who's who. Don't you think
that would be a good idea?
Tia: I think it would be an excellent
idea. Little flashcards for you.
John: yeah we'll work on that. We'll
have something like that for next week.
Tia: okay coolness.
Russ: okay so what's the schedule for
this evening? Meta-concert and astral projection I
Tia: uh-huh but we might
do an abbreviated one this evening due to the lack
Russ: no problem.
Tia: okay I will put on........no
I won't, I've been told to fill.
Russ: oh, so we'll do astral
Tia: seems like it. But first of all,
Russ: first of all?
Tia: yes, that's the way we will be
doing....hold on. Okay, well what we will do first
of all is we will ask Johnny, have you ever astral
John: no, I haven't.
Tia: uh-huh. Have you ever had the
feeling of floating out of your body?
John: in dreaming but not in a waking
state that I can recall.
Tia: okay, have you ever thought you
have seen yourself from a different vantage point?
John: dreaming yes but not waking that
I can recall right off the top of my head.
Tia: so you are not then an actual
talented astral traveler?
John: I really don't know. I don't
think so, I don't know if I can develop it or I
really don't know.
Tia: well we could try a few
experiments. We have a astral travel tape which
is.....I've done better.
John: so I should listen to the tape,
is that you're saying?
Tia: well we will redo the tape at a
nearer time. Ummm yep, that's what we will do. We
will re-record the tape and I will do it in a much
more stable environment then and also have a
technician available that knows the hand signals.
Russ: that's me.
Tia: yes, that's why I'm looking at
John: oh okay, I understand.
John: so Russ would be the technician
Tia: that's correct.
John: okay, I understand.
Russ: right, we tried it the other
night but I had to leave to go pick up Erica because
we kind of ran over a little bit and so I wasn't
able to do the technician work but we got the music
part done that I wasn't able to be here for the
actual taping of the...
John: oh okay, is that what you and
Mark were working on upstairs?
Russ: right, that's what we were
working on, well that's what me and Tia were working
John: right, right exactly yeah okay.
Tia: I mean if I was to score it out
of one through 10, I would give it a three.
Russ: yeah, Kiri's was
much better and that was done on way worse
Tia: yes it was but yeah I had a very
good, passable technician at the time.
Russ: I love you too baby.
Tia: yes okay, now then, astral
travel. As we are lacking the one particular person
that I wanted to discuss it with......
John: would that be Skip?
Tia: no that would be Ryan.
John: oh I see.
Tia: yes I did have a whole load of
notes and information for him on astral travel to
aid him in increasing his ability. But as he seems
to have wandered off in his own little planetoid,
well not to worry. We can work on that with Ryan at
a later time. But in the meantime, Mr. semi-astral
Russ: that's me.
John: why do you refer to him as a
Tia: I'm pulling his.........one of
his bipedal devices.
Russ: it's due to the fact that I do
not consciously separate my astral body from my
Russ: I have more of a, how would you
Tia: conscious experience.
Russ: conscious experience, I project
just my sight to Hades Base.
Tia: and sometimes his astral form.
Russ: and sometimes my astral form to
make babies but....
Tia: yes when Mark comes up here, he's
very real. He can grab things, he can plug things
in, he can make tea, he can make all sorts of
John: right and now Russ doesn't have
Russ: no I've had cups fall out of my
hands, crash on the floor, break.
Tia: and I've had to clean it up.
Russ: big messes. I have to be careful
John: you could drop them? Because
you're not fully solid?
Russ: fully there, right yeah. I'm
more ghostlike, I waver in and out.
John: is there something that you're
doing to refine your technique or anything?
Russ: we're working on that. Tia's
helping me with that.
Tia: yes we spend a lot of time
discussing various techniques and we keep on trying
different techniques and going back over old
techniques and blending them with different things
and Russ is one of those elusive problems. However,
astral travel is not for everybody. Russ is a much
stronger healer than an astral traveler.
Tia: far stronger, as are you. But
that's not really my department, I'm an astral
traveler with PK.
John: okay but Mark is, he's got a
natural ability to astral travel? Do I have this
Tia: that's correct. He has it in vast
quantities and also he is border point speed of
thought which has surprised a few people, including
himself I think.
John: and it's an individual thing
where different people have, are able to progress to
Tia: that's correct. There are some
people that will progress, let's say that they can
travel vast distances, not just thousands
of miles but millions or billions and hundreds if
not thousands of light years and that's as
far as they will progress. And there are some people
that can hop between dimensions and that is as far
as they will progress. And there are other people do
have to go and deal with cups of tea.
Russ: and that's as far as I'll
Tia: uh-huh but there are other people
again that can hop through to a different dimension
and make themselves as solid as they are on their
own dimension and those people unfortunately pay a
very heavy price. But alas, Russ might not be one of
those that can make that jump because being a
healer, he is concerned with his body and his
well-being. You see?
John: yes, yeah. This is all new to me
so I appreciate your patience.
Tia: uh-huh, now there are certain
side effects from astral traveling. Acute hearing,
being very sensitive to touch, being almost fanatic
on personal cleanliness, all sorts of interesting
side effects. Most common is acute hearing, Russ
will tell you that his hearing has become sharper.
Tia: I believe Mark's is painfully
sharp. Would that be the right way to describe it?
Russ: yeah, he doesn't like rock
concerts that much.
(referring to a
Pink Floyd concert Mark and I attended)
Tia: no (chuckles) but Kiri loves rock
concerts and she's not an astral traveler. I have
naturally acute hearing because of my feline
ancestry and again I don't like loud noise either.
Russ: now Tia.
Russ: another thing I was noticing was
the correlation that physical body
is like a house for our
Russ: and that that's what the
consciousness lives in but the astral body is sort
of like a car that we use to cruise to elsewhere.
Russ: now would seeing a visualization
like that perhaps sharpen focus or help with the
transition between physical to astral body?
Tia: we will try that, we will try you
visualizing you as a automobile.
Russ: or something, just getting into
something to travel maybe?
Tia: uh-huh, how about a space
Russ: sort of.
Tia: yeah some kind of pod.
Russ: that might be easier.
Tia: yeah so you could pretend that
you're a specimen in this pod.
Russ: well good. All right, well it's
just a thought.
Tia: (speaks Durondedunn.)
Russ: who you're talking to?
Tia: there's a cat hovering around out
there. Can't you hear her?
Russ: uh-uh. Okay, we'll give that a
go. Alright now then for Johnny.....
Russ: if he wanted to
practice something like astral projection, how would
Tia: okay what we will
do is we would talk you through it. We would do a
very clear, precise recording of step-by-step that
would get you up out of your body, get you nice and
relaxed, up out of your body and just let you cruise
around and get used to the feeling. And that is the
purpose of the first astral travel tape that we did.
Russ: now one thing I'm having trouble
with the astral travel tape when we......
Tia: yes, that loud part.
Russ: well no, no, that's not the
problem I had.
Tia: and also Pink Floyd?
Russ: no, that wasn't the problem
Tia: I thought you had a problem with
Russ: no, no, no that's not it, I was
just discussing. What I had was where you get to the
point after you go through all the breathing
exercises and you turn off all the switches, you
then say, "okay, now gently lift up out of your
Tia: uh-huh, you want a more
descriptive term on how to lift up out of your body?
Russ: well not everybody can just lift
up out of their body no matter how relaxed they are
such as me for example.
Tia: well by going lighter and lighter
and lighter, makes you feel lighter and lighter and
lighter until you're slowly and gently moving out of
your body. Even that you're not aware of it.
Russ: right but that only works if you
have a natural ability to do so anyway like Mark
Russ: now for some of us like myself
who don't have that natural ability and have to work
to get to that point.
Tia: well that's why we suggest
listening to the tape many, many times.
Russ: well that's what I was
suggesting, maybe if you were to say something like
visualize yourself lifting up out of your body?
Tia: I suppose I could do that but the
way that it's done is for maximum effect. You see
most people know that feeling of floating free of
their body. Even Johnny knows that feeling from his
Tia: so you are, you know what it
feels like and when you reach that point
that your body feels like it's floating free, in
actual fact it is floating free.
Russ: oh I see what you are talking
Russ: okay that makes sense.
Tia: so by floating to that point on
the tape that you're floating free, that's where you
slowly and gently rise up. Arise, rise, rise, rise.
Tia: so therefore it is necessary to
do a more refined recording with a technician
available because this next tape that we do will be
part one or tape one. And then on the other side we
will do tape two which will talk you through it
again and it will be more of a directional tape.
Russ: will it take you to Hades Base?
Tia: no, no. We will do that on tape
three which will be a very special, limited edition
which will start off with....in fact what I might do
is for tape one is to do a little preamble,
explaining what astral travel is, tape two I will
also do a preamble and tape three will be a limited
edition for those people that are ready to travel to
Hades Base. We will do a tape four which will talk
you through going solid............I did it,
I got it open.
a chronometer here. What happened?
John: oh, it fell off the wall and the
battery fell out of it, I've got to
replace the battery and hang it back up.
Tia: okay, so there will be numerous
tapes, probably four in total which will be two
Tia: which will talk you through the
Russ: now will we go ahead and we'll
do the preamble and then start the music?
Tia: in fact we might do some light
music in the background for the preamble.
Russ: okay, I got something we can
Tia: better not, better not because it
Russ: oh yeah.
Tia: so you see what I'm saying?
Tia: but by having these four tapes,
it's up to you if you use the tapes later on to help
other people at a small replacement fee for the
Russ: okay, I'm going to go ahead and
I'm going to pick up two 60 minutes.
Tia: yes 60 minutes would work.
Russ: because 45 may be a bit too
Tia: yes however for the astral travel
tape two.....no, make them 45 because the preamble
will take some time.
Russ: oh okay.
Tia: uh-huh. So we will do the
preamble. Now the special one, the Hades Base one as
I said will be a limited edition which will be
directed mainly at those people that want to come to
visit us on Hades Base for extra tuition and
coaching. And the guinea pig, is that correct?
Tia: will have to report to you by
Tia: you know who that is?
Russ: who, Carrie?
Tia: of course.
Russ: didn't we give her one to Hades
Tia: I don't recall.
Russ: well I know I've got one to
Hades Base, I thought that was a copy we made from
Tia: no, I think that's the master. I
don't think we ever sent her one but she doesn't
have a device to listen with at the moment.....
no she doesn't.
Tia: so what we will do, if you
two are up for it, is send her a little present of a
Russ: a tape recorder, I'll talk to
Mark about it.
Tia: uh-huh with the tape already in
there and the batteries saying, "put on and please
Russ: okay and that will be tape
Russ: all right, oh shoot.
Russ: I was suppose to call her and
forgot about it. I'll call her tomorrow.
Tia: what do you want to call her?
Russ: I want to call her there but I
Tia: how come?
Russ: I don't know her number.
Tia: oh yes, yes, yes. Okay.
(Kiri is next in the channeling circle
on the Base)
Russ: hey Kiri.
Russ: how you doing?
Kiri: dude. And
as Tia pointed out Johnny, I nine times out of 10,
will go, "yo dude" to start. That tells Russ that
John: okay. So you're also doing that
for my benefit then too.
Kiri: uh-huh it's
also for his benefit too. Otherwise
he mistakes me for my sister and she deliberately
lowers her voice and talks like this all soft and
nice and mushy and wimpy and manipulating.
Russ: I'm going to get some tea for
you darling so....
Kiri: okay, coolness dude.
Russ: Johnny? Tea sir?
John: nah, not right now. My stomach's
Kiri: yeah we can see that in the
monitor. It's kind of going whirriririiriri,
Kiri: uh-huh. So, you got
questions, I've got answers. I'm an engineer and I'm
John: like I said earlier, I'm really
not feeling that well and I'm having a hard time
concentrating and I'm not my usual.......
Kiri: bubbly, bouncy self?
John: bubbly, bouncy self.
Kiri: uh hum. What you need is probably some
vitamin C, some beta-carotene and........
John: how about some spirolina? Would
that help you think?
Kiri: yeah I think that will.
And also we have a little concoction if there's enough
still around, fresh, fresh thyme from the
garden, should still be usable, some sage, some
rosemary and crushed garlic and.....
Russ: tastes like hell but you can
live on it. That microphone got nailed pretty hard.
Kiri: oh yeah and crushed garlic
right? Steeped in hot water chopped....
John: does Mark know this recipe?
Kiri: it's been used before. We use it
for all sorts of things and what it does is it
starts to cleanse the pallet, it starts to cleanse
the being as well.
Kiri: and I got.....that was
Karra's instructions. She thought it was important
that that information was given ISAP?
Russ: ASAP but you're
close. Okay questions for you sweetheart, I actually
have some for you this week, I knew
you'd be here.
Kiri: well where else would I be on a
Russ: that is very true.
Kiri: I know where I'd like to be and
I can't say because we've got to keep it clean.
Russ: what was the living conditions
like in Tonar's time?
(from the Sirian
Kiri: that would be Tonar the Corrupt
Russ: correct yes.
Kiri: as opposed to Tonar the Evil.
Russ: how comparable is it to
Kiri: on Hades Base.....sorry
on Sirius it was very similar that having just had
the ascension........no you wanted Tonar the Evil
Russ: Tonar the Evil.
Kiri: uh-huh, not the corrupt.
Russ: this is before the exodus to earth.
Kiri: uh-huh. That would be space
travel, yes that was going on, I should
say it was very similar to your home planet apart
from the fact of intense heat and radiation
developing and a lot of dying of plants and stuff.
Russ: you mean in Tonar the Evil's
Kiri: it wasn't as bad as it got but
you have to remember it was only oh I think between
Tonar and Sarra there was only I think about three
to 4,000 years.
Russ: hmm okay.
Russ: it's not that much.
Kiri: yeah because Sarra,
she lived for a long, long time. In fact, it was
rumored that she didn't die, that she went into the
master pyramid and she's still there somewhere.
Russ: people make treks, religious
treks kind of thing?
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.
Russ: to see if the rumor's
Kiri: uh-huh and it's kind of
perpetuated by the religious order that protects it.
Russ: now who was Luntar? Was that
another brother that was mentioned with the father
and two brothers of Tonar?
Russ: he was one of the brothers.
Russ: so the daughters of Luntar, or
the children of Luntar who formed the order of
truth, light and wisdom or servants of truth, light
Russ: that was Luntar. Why do they
call themselves the children of Luntar? Because they
were actually his children or descendants
of his children or something?
Kiri: he was the father of them in
several different ways. There was his I believe wife
and then her daughters. Because she was only capable
supposedly of giving daughters.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: and he was also the father of
his grandchildren and his great-grandchildren
literally which at the time was frowned upon.
Russ: of course.
Kiri: I mean the whole entire
hierarchy back then was very corrupt, very
flamboyant, very and I'm looking for the word and I
can't think of it.
Russ: now Tonar had some inherent
psychic abilities right?
Kiri: coercion being one.
Russ: right, that means that it ran in
Russ: does that mean that because
Luntar had incestuous relationships with his grand
Kiri: and great grand kids.
Russ: great grand kids,
that perhaps that a recessive gene became...
Kiri: reinforced, yes.
Russ: reinforced and stronger and
stronger which brought about the mind powers
Kiri: uh-huh. You have to remember
that daughters of Tonar were a little bit corrupt
and twisted themselves.
Kiri: I mean they did some according
to records some pretty nasty breeding programs.
After the third or fourth generation, they would
manipulate genes that there'd only be daughters
born. They manipulated genes so that for a guy it
would've been paradise because a coercer sleeping
with as many women that were coercers
as possible and it was like being at stud. You'd
enjoy that wouldn't you?
John: I think I could handle that,
John: kind of like having a harem?
Kiri: yeah apart from it was forced
Russ: you'd be the harem girl.
Russ: for that right?
Kiri: yeah, you're the harem girl,
the one that gets passed around.
John: yeah I missed something here.
Russ: in other words you wouldn't have
all these women that you would....that
would come and service you, you'd be going to
service all of them.
John: right okay. Right okay yeah.
Russ: that's how that would work.
It'd still be
kind of fun.
John: yeah oh geeze.
Kiri: yeah it would be actually, I'd
enjoy that, I would have enjoyed it tremendously.
But they were a very corrupt and twisted......I mean
the pictures I've seen of all the women, they
are fabulously beautiful even by our standards. But
the recordings, they don't seem particularly smart.
Russ: hmm, how about the servants of
truth, light and wisdom, the girls of Luntar?
Kiri: that's who I'm referring to.
Russ: oh, I see. So the daughters of
Kiri: oh sorry, yes you're correct.
Russ: thank you.
Kiri: you're correct.
Russ: I got confused there for a sec.
Kiri: yeah you see, I got myself
Russ: okay so the servants of truth,
light and wisdom are the daughters of Luntar.
Kiri: not exactly, they took that
Russ: okay. It's just an honorary.....
Russ: okay now going on to other
subjects real quick....
Kiri: because Luntar wasn't...
Russ: wasn't what?
Kiri: wasn't as white and as pure as
the history, the common history is painted as.
Russ: oh well that's just a myth.
Kiri: in fact he was probably almost
as bad as his brother.
Russ: yeah well his brother killed
Kiri: yeah. It was probably either he
killed him or he would have killed his brother.
Russ: harsh times.
Russ: okay, now Mark and I saw a
program on the face on Mars.
Russ: now what we were looking at is,
we know that some sister worlds were created on
Hades Base, Earth, Alpha Centauri. Now is the face
on Mars then and the corresponding pyramids and
obelisks near it then part of that sister world?
(from the Sirian
Kiri: what do you think?
Russ: well I'm trying to find out is
where the memory that was built on Hades Base is. Is
it a pyramid or is it the face on Mars?
Kiri: there is a pyramid there.
Russ: well I know that.
Russ: but I'm wondering about that
face on Mars.
Kiri: it was a beacon.
Russ: for us guys here on Earth?
Russ: okay so the memory that they're
talking about that came alive on Alpha Centauri and
Hades Base would be the pyramid actually.
Russ: okay, so it wouldn't be the face
Russ: so conditions were very much
Earth-like at one time I would say.
Kiri: oh yes.
Russ: and that when the sister world
Russ: now at point did they move
underground? After the ascension to sixth dimension?
Kiri: no, they never moved
Russ: they died off from the planet's
Kiri: kind of. They did what was
necessary to survive.
Russ: such as what?
Kiri: well what do you do when your
house is on fire?
Russ: leave it?
Kiri: that's right, you go into the
nearest possible place that is safe.
Russ: where, underground? Wait a
minute, what stripped the atmosphere of Mars in the
first place? A meteor strike is what's been
Kiri: there are quite a number of
different things that occurred. It was a chain
reaction and it could have survived but they were
certain catatalistic events that occurred that
caused it to go "oh dear".
Russ: okay so all you have left are
structures that would withstand that kind of...
Kiri: uh-huh. One of the things that
happened actually was a greenhouse effect.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: but the greenhouse effect is a
very funny thing, it's not a greenhouse effect. See
what happens is in theory you get a layer of cloud
that keeps the heat in right? But the heat also
bleeds out as well, not as quickly and not as
rapidly but it will bleed out right? And what
happens initially is, yes there is global warming
but once the heat has been stopped from penetrating
in right? Because of the layer it's being reflected
away, what happens then?
Russ: it goes cold.
Kiri: that's right. And as it goes
cold things freeze and it reaches such a point that
it starts freezing the water that's in the air
right? Which makes the air thinner right? Which in
turn makes the temperature drop more rapidly which
in turns freezes more elements that are in the air
like carbon dioxide and so on right? Which in turn
Russ: creates a poisonous environment.
Kiri: also makes the atmosphere
thinner still, where all the chemicals and
everything get locked into ice or into the frozen
Russ: so how did these guys do what
they had to survive? They mutated?
Russ: I don't know, I'd say I'd leave,
split the planet.
Kiri: and I said yes.
Kiri: where would you go?
Russ: where would I go?
Kiri: and my comment was to where
would you go would be to the next safest place which
Kiri: correct. God sometimes I have to
lead him by the nose.
Russ: okay now, we know that Atlantis
was settled in the first colonization of sister
worlds from Sirius.
Russ: we know that Hades Base was
settled at the same time.
(the 3rd dimensional
one on the surface)
Russ: okay, now if it took a while for
the colony on Hades Base to wipe itself out,
theoretically that would be after the fall of
Kiri: yeah kind of. You see I don't
have those, those aren't in my library.
Russ:: I know but I'm going over what
Omal and I discussed on history of the earth.
Russ: now then, after the
fall of Atlantis, would we
then be safe in saying that the spaceships we're
talking about are the folks from Hades Base who were
looking for a new?
Kiri: I don't know, I don't know
because those are not in my library as I said.
Russ: I'm just theorizing, I just
wanted to theorize with you, I not asking for a
Kiri: as an engineer, what I look for
is proof. Not hearsay, not circumstantial evidence,
I want hard and fast clear proof. In black and white
and color if necessary, pictures and words.
Kiri: with nice gold trim on a nice
white page. All around the edges, gold
trim, little bit of red and silver weaved into...
Russ: I'll ask Omal.
next question. Money or its substitute is a
necessary requisite for our current life on third
Russ: now, getting past its
dependence, is that a part of raising consciousness
or is the ability to use it as a means to increase
Kiri: you use it as a means to an ends
which in this case would to be increasing
consciousness but you also learn how to use it and
that it is not necessary. But by learning to use it
and realizing that you can do without it. For
example, you buy land right? Let's say 20 acres
right? Is that about right, nice large area?
John: okay yeah.
Kiri: okay you put 10 acres to pursuit
of raising cattle and chickens so that you can get
food and so on right?
Kiri: use 10 acres to grow tubers,
carrots, peas, beans, sprouts, whatever you want in
the vegetable department. Lettuce, strawberries,
herbs, etc., etc. etc. right?
Kiri: you learn how to use, if you
have pigs you learn how to make methane. And what
can you do with methane?
Russ: methane can be used for an
John: you can use it for a fuel
Kiri: that's right so you don't need
outside. If you've got a permanent water supply
going through the land, you don't need outside help.
With the cattle when you slaughter them, what you do
with their hides?
John: you would tan them and make them
into clothes and shoes.
Kiri: that's right and if you have
sheep as well, what you do with the sheep?
John: you would use the wool to make
Kiri: uh-huh, what are you now?
Kiri: totally self-sufficient. Totally
independent, self-sufficient, no problems
whatsoever. Thirty acres would be a much
better, manageable area.
Russ: true. Now what I'm looking at is
in our future where we're dealing with problems of
no money let's say.
Kiri: that goes back to the 30 acres.
Russ: okay, let's say if you don't
have 30 acres and you have to deal with raising your
consciousness but also self-survival.
Kiri: survival, uh-huh.
Russ: okay, now how are you going to
be able to raise your consciousness and still deal
with survival? Seems like survival is going to be a
full-time job at that point.
Kiri: you need goods and stuff right?
Money will always be around. If you've got no
skills, how do you make money in an environment
that's gone to pot? There's no more electrical
power, there's no more TV, there's no more waves
coming through the air with music in them....radio.....how
do you make a living?
Kiri: well supposing you're not strong
Russ: barter off your services as
a.....I don't know.
Kiri: I'll give you a clue,
me tell you a story.
Russ: oh a bard?
Kiri: yes. You can play a musical
instrument can't you?
John: oh I used to play a trombone
when I was quite a bit younger.
Kiri: uh-huh. See
a musician, you can play the drums. Don't know what
Mark can do. Doesn't have much of a singing voice
but there again he is a poet.
Russ: uh-huh, we'll figure out skills
and stuff as we go along.
Kiri: well Mark can always hire
himself out with his weapon skills and so on. Don't
think he would enjoy being a mercenary.
John: and you could do bartering
John: where you would take maybe some
of your vegetables and herbs and trade them with
someone else who may be raising chickens for eggs or
Kiri: that's right.
John: that would be a feasible,
Kiri: uh-hum, exactly.
John: that's how people survived on
the planet for a long time.
Kiri: Tia says a very good example is
Sarajevo? Sarajevo, thank you Tia.
Russ: well there is also the issue of
Russ: being able to create one and
maintain one. Right now it wouldn't be a practical
matter due to the fact that there is a surplus of
goods, money and everyone doesn't need anything from
everyone else yet.
Kiri: that's right.
Russ: but in the future, a co-op would
be a very handy little item to have or to create.
Kiri: yes, you could survive.
Russ: right now, about the raising of
Russ: two ways to do
Russ: number one, some of the goods
that you use as barter would be as a teacher of
psychic abilities let say.......
Russ: in which in that way you
increase your own abilities while increasing
Kiri: there are other ways of making
money with abilities.
did it go?
John: in your other hand.
Kiri: I know, I'm giving a
Russ: the other way would be working
within the co-op that you form among those people
wishing to work on cooperating with goods and
services and forming study groups.
Kiri: yeah. Okay I think the recording
device is about to be switched over, it's getting
close and I revised it.
John: it's got some time left on it
Russ: about 30 seconds.
John: oh really? It's that close?
Russ: how did we go through 45 minutes
John: God that went by fast. Yeah it's
Russ: I'm telling you.
John: yeah, no that's probably fast.
Russ: I have a feeling we just
Kiri: let's have a look at this
chronometer. Okay it's two, one, two little dots.
Kiri: five, nine.
Russ: 21:59. 21:59? It's 9:59?
Kiri: and 30.
Russ: yeah guess it is, 10 o'clock.
John: my clock must be faster than
what I thought.
Kiri: uh-hmm. So that tape will need
turning......I say about a minute and
a half. On my mark, now. But yes,
certainly skills are very, very necessary to
your healing ability as doctors may become scarcer
will come in handy, as will yours.
SIDE ONE ENDS
already come on between speakers)
that will be fun.
Russ: Johnny, can I light an incense?
John: oh yeah, for sure.
that a game for all the family?
John: what's this?
Russ: incense, a game for all the
John: oh God, not incest, incense.
Yeah that's what Sandy referred to as the goddess
Russ: smells like opium.
does it have an opium smell? Yeah good idea lighting
Russ: Mark really needs those knees
you know, it's really good for him. How's your skiing coming along babe?
Crash hot yet?
her as she plays with a cat in the room)
Russ: oh Saturday you're going up?
John: (mumbles something funny)
(Omal takes over from Kiri)
are heard just prior to Omal coming on)
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: the bitch from Mars?
(John and Russ both break out
Russ: I don't think he expected
anybody to hear that one.
John: yeah, I didn't expect you to pop
in there so soon, it kind of took me by surprise.
Omal: okay, now as we are short on
meta-concert individuals, what we will do is we will
work on energy. Karra's idea for this evening will
be placed on hold.
Omal: and as that seems to be between
you, Karra and myself and nobody else at the moment,
you will explain the purpose of the white paper and
the dot and the candle..........
Russ: and the plant.
Russ: okay, what I was going to do is,
work on first off being able to feel energy around
you, specifically life
Russ: and the way I was going to do
that was take a plant and you'd close your eyes and
I'd put it in different places and you'd
have to pick out where it is from around you with
your eyes closed from feeling its energy.
Omal: however we do have a way of
dealing with that, Johnny......
Omal and I'm showing off.
Russ: oh, okay.
Omal: note where
the feline is.
Omal: right? Put your hand
out and approach it.
John: approach the feline with my
Omal: yes hand out like this, if this
was the feline, go like this.
Omal: but don't touch him.
John: and should I get as close to it
as I can without touching it?
Omal: yeah, uh-hum, about
that far should be good. Now, close your eyes, bring
your hand away right? Okay now close your eyes and
now go in gently and stop when you feel him.
John: without actually touching him.
Omal: that's correct. Okay now, bring
your hand away again, take a deep breath, feel the
energy flowing into you. And now try it this time
and tell us when you feel his energy.
John: well I just touched his
Omal: can you feel his energy?
John: uh hum, I'm not sure if it's his
whiskers or his energy, I don't know. I don't know
how close my hand is to him.
Omal: okay now bring your hand away
Omal: now bring it in again until you
feel his energy. That is something that is used to
sense energy fields. For example, eyes closed and
I'm not looking at the monitor.......there, energy
field of the plant and there is warmth
coming up from that candle there. If you notice, my
hand is staying roughly in a constant pattern of the
plant, you see?
Omal: you can also do that as a
practice Russ. With plants, felines and other
Russ: okay, I've been
practicing with crystals too.
Omal: correct. Now the purpose of the
candle that we were going to use was.......the
paper, okay is to put it in between the
plant......it's about the same
height....there....and what we wanted you to do was
first of all push the flame away from the plant
without seeing it. Such as.......
John: is the draft from that heater
Omal: it is hampering a bit, I did
have it standing up properly.
John: want me to go turn the heat down
Omal: no that's not necessary.
Omal: in fact it makes it more of a
Russ: wow, that's pretty good.
Omal: and now it is going bananas but
that is a rough demonstration.
Omal: now the thing to do next would
be and only the executive would be able to see this
at this point, is we put it back in between there
and we would bend it back which is much easier.
concentrates on the flame to make it
Russ: it's standing up fine though.
Omal: that does make it more of a
so you understand what will be happening next time
we work on the meta-concert?
Russ: okay and why are we doing it
between the plant and the candle? What is the plant's significance
Omal: because we're using the plant as
an energy source......
oh I see.
Omal: and a target for a cause and effect.
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: there, the candle is now
back to normal from its erratic behavior.
Russ: I see, so in another words, you
would be drawing it towards the plant's energy?
Russ: ahh, okay.
Omal: a little bit like a star that is
sucking energy from another star.
Russ: and the other thing to do with
the paper was that little dot I drew on it? That was
to be practiced for directing your energy toward
that little dot making it that's the
size of energy you're going to direct. Is that too small though?
Omal: no that is correct.
Russ: okay right. So you
want your energy beam to be about that wide.
John: okay, so you're talking a
really, really small beam.
Russ: right and so you practice, I
mean you can direct your mind to picture directing
the beam but how to get it down to the size you want
at the distance you want is what I'd use this for.
Russ: practicing how to get it down to
that small from where you're at right now let's say.
Russ: and because we have to do it
between secondaries and primaries and conductors,
they all use the same beam, size beam, would be good
for everybody had we had a full group.
John: okay so that's the significance
of the dot, it gives everyone
the same size beam to focus on......
Russ: right yeah.
John: am I understanding this right?
John: okay. Now how close did I get to
Calvin without touching him? Was I pretty close?
Russ: you were like.......
John: pretty close?
Russ: pretty close.
John: and I could feel him.....I mean
I don't know, like I said I don't think it was his
whiskers or anything.
Omal: well the more you
practice the more sensitive you will become. There
is no other felines around to demonstrate on and I
don't think it would be advisable to disturb him as
he seems to be prepping up for a astral travel trip
and he is already inflicted some damage. Tia owes
her husband for that.
Russ: Kiri does actually.
Omal: no it was Tia.
Russ: oh it was Tia?
Omal: Kiri started it, Tia finished
Russ: oh God. Okay, now I'd like to
get into a little bit on crystals and their energy
if I could and well the first question is, how would
inclusions of different substances affect the
crystal's energy? This one I just picked up which
has the chlorine inclusion in it.
Omal: yes it does affect the energy
and it affects it in different ways depending on the
property of the material that is encoded within it.
Omal: an inclusion will have many
different effects depending on as I said the source
of the material, whether it is organic, inorganic or
another mineral. If you have.......natives are
restless........if you have for example in this one
let us say if you had gold flaking in there,
that will affect it in a different energy pattern
than if this one was perfectly clear, which it
Russ: I mean my healing scalpel has
got some pyrite in it.
Russ: okay I see what you mean. Okay
now with this crystal here, normally I get all my
energy from crystals from my left hand because I'm
drawing them in, this one I get all the energy from
my right hand. Does this mean it's a female
crystal or male crystal compared to the ones I'm
usually handling or how's that.....?
Omal: it has a different background
and runs in reverse due to the substance that is
being held within.
Russ: oh the chlorine? Oh that does
affect its polarity let's say?
Omal: correct yes, that is what I just
Russ: right okay well yeah, I'm
translating to where I understand it.
Russ: okay now there is an earth
keeper crystal at the rock shop that I picked this
Russ: it's maybe four or 5 feet long
and maybe about 3 feet wide, single or double
terminated with one end fairly getting kind of
Russ: and it's maybe yeah a foot and a
half wide, well maybe foot and half wide and
all-around it and about 5 feet long.
Omal: yes and it is outside your
Russ: $15,000 right, it's quite a bit
out of my fiscal range. But, what I don't understand
is, I felt it for energy, being as a crystal point
that large ought to be just booming with energy....
Omal: and it was not.
Russ: it was dead as a rock.
Omal: it has not been cared for.
Russ: okay, now how would you energize
something like that?
Omal: first of all, a full moon would
be very useful and then a very
bright day and talking and being with it.
Russ: so in other words it's sort of
an abused sort of crystal let's say?
Omal: unfortunately yes but the energy
is very subtle within it. A crystal like that does
Russ: oh okay because the lady that
put it at the shop had
got it on consignment so obviously she picked it up
at a real cheap price and realized that somebody
would be willing to pay a lot of money for it.
Russ: and she never cared for what it
does except for that it's a big rock, big crystal.
Russ: okay, well if I hit the lottery
maybe I'll take it and give it a good home but....
Omal: it seems as if they're having a
Russ: big party.
Omal: there is a number of people
there? (next door)
Russ: yeah. Okay, right and then when
I was in the shop, I had to keep my senses down
because the whole shop was.....
Omal: just vibrating. Yes that is
correct, that is where shielding comes
Russ: right and that was what I was
practicing was the shielding at that point because
it was overpowering at some points.....
Russ: and it left me kind of shaking
a little bit there. But I couldn't find any record
keepers, apparently they don't have any.
Omal: no, they are not that common.
Omal: okay next question.
Russ: Johnny, I'm hogging all the
John: oh no, I'm kind of at a loss.
Russ: oh okay.
John: I'm very interested in what you've
been talking about with the inclusions in
the crystals and how that actually changes the
polarity and the energy flow in them. Very
interesting, I wasn't aware of that.
Russ: I wasn't either and there was
some smoky quartz's with the rutilated in
I don't get along well with smokies for some reason.
I keep buying them and they just keep disappearing
from wherever I happen to put them and I can never
find them again.
Omal: it might be your vibrational
frequency, I would have to investigate.
Russ: okay. Another thing is, last
week you worked on negative feedback loops.
Russ: but the way you described it was
in the reverse of the way I was taught. When we
first started doing negative feedback loops way back
Russ: you sent them in through the
Omal: whereas originally it was
designed to go in through.......
Russ: the root chakra.
Russ: right, how is
is because of the difference of the individuals.
They need a fast, quick, rapid result whereas you
were prepared to work slowly.
slowly is better but in this case they needed a
quick jolt. So it is a matter of, as has been stated
in the past, tailoring things to the various
Russ: I see.
Russ: now I was practicing a little
bit with going up through your direction now and
feels like it's a lot more energy.
Omal: correct, it is a
faster, quicker process that is used as I said to
quicken somebody's growth.
Russ: is there more chance for burnout
Omal: yes but however novices seldom
have a high enough energy output to do so much
Russ: I see, so
theoretically, what you could do is you could start
off that way to get yourself going.......
Omal: going but then reverse it later
Russ: but then switch it around so you
don't burn out.
Omal: okay, last question please.
Russ: oh yeah, on "Encounters",
or not "Encounters", on the "X-Files"
that Mark and I have been watching.....
Russ: where they're discussing......
Russ: abductees and the Japanese using
alien DNA to work with making a combination human
alien hybrid. Well we've done that already up on
(3rd dimensional DNA combined with 6th
dimensional DNA with our children though Mark and
Omal: correct, no.
Russ: they can't do it down here?
Omal: it is unlikely.
Russ: okay, thank you Omal,
Omal: thank you. Live
(Kiri cuts the night short)
John: I thought that was a Vulcan
Russ: it's his thing.
Kiri: it's a joke.
Russ: oh I forgot to ask him, shoot
me, won't you dear please?
Kiri: (shoots me.
Russ: frickin shoot me.
Kiri: save it, what was the question?
Russ: it was about the people coming
from Hades Base to Earth and the time
Kiri: oh well, nevermind, nevermind
okay last person and we're going to
do this short due to
the fact of energy drain. In fact I think we're
going to cut it because Mark's hitting critical.
Kiri: okay? I'm sorry but we're
concerned for Mark's safety in this case.
Russ: oh, no problem.
Kiri: because he's down redlining at
20....yeah 24 1/2% which is critical.
Russ: okay, bye love.
THE TAPE ENDS