Archivist Notes: The name for this
month's podcast is from the
resident gardener on the base Treebeard who
offered it as a suggestion for how
much of that subject he was
interested in learning himself. With Tia initiating a sabbatical due to her
was to be absent from tonight's
session along with Kiri who was helping
her through the process. With the
only female present being Karra, the
duties of ring mistress
fell to her. As our two most
talkitive speakers were
therefore out of action,
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fill in as speaker which
for him turned
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Karra: let’s get him properly comfortable. Okay there……
Karra: okay, so how’s everybody doing?
Russ: excellent my dear, excellent.
Skip: great but getting better.
Russ: yourself my love?
Karra: that’s good Skip, I’m doing okay, just a little busy.
Russ: well life is busy.
Karra: okay, seems like I’m acting ring mistress for a little while.
Russ: oh what happened to Kiri?
Karra: she’s down with Tia at the moment, Mark’s heading down there now.
Russ: what’s up with Tia, is not feeling good still with all that work she’s doing?
Karra: I can’t say.
Skip: she trying to keep up with what’s going on?
Karra: they will have a linking down there so that they can hear what’s going on up here at this end.
Russ: any idea what I should do about our disgruntled Hades Base News recipients?
Karra: how many more have we had?
Russ: just the one.
Karra: I think Mark’s idea was a good one, get Tia to write personally a personal note.
Russ: that’s fine.
Karra: uh-huh, explaining what’s going on, what Tia’s particular job is and the importance of these announcements.
Russ: yeah I got two people who said thank you and keep them posted.
Karra: uh-huh. Well that’s the idea, you get one person that cancels and two people that are very happy.
Karra: yeah, it’s a choice.
Karra: yeah one person doesn’t want to face reality, there is a lot going on in the world that is not nice right now......
Skip: yeah there sure is.
Karra: and the person that sent the cancel in, they’re not facing facts, they’re not ready to see what is actually happening.
Karra: my feeling is that if they’re not ready then they’re better off not receiving the updates and the newsletter.
Russ: yeah true.
Karra: and that’s the whole purpose of the Hades Base News is to keep people informed and be prepared for just such situations and eventualities. The idea is to find things that keep people ready and prepared, not a constant perpetual state of readiness but of where to make their own decisions on what is happening and unfortunately compared to last year there is a lot, lot more going on right now than there was last year. It’s like the earthquakes this morning in Turkey, there is a lot going on right now.
Russ: two earthquakes in Turkey?
Skip: all over, all over.
Karra: I think it was a 5.3, Tia sent me
a kind of an email, it’s a direct
message. She sends me a copy of you get and I get at
about the same time you do.
Russ: hmm, I must have missed that one.
Karra: well the thing is that Tia is working hard on these releases and these releases are just brief synopsis' of what is going on. Just a brief little blurb saying hostility in Chechnya, that they're within 15 miles of the capital and so on. I mean she’s just giving the bare minimum to you on what’s actually going on.
Karra: and she’s changing words in her reports to make it sound like she’s picking it up off the news services but she is not, she was getting information which cannot be disclosed from sources she cannot disclose.
Russ: well she’s using spellchecker now so that’s good.
Russ: makes my job much easier.
Karra: actually she’s using dictation programs.
Russ: oh, well that works.
Karra: yeah, we finally got her because she has to think….she thinks in her own language in Durondedunn and then translates it into English and to me she translates it to Sirian and now she just tells the computer to do that.
Russ: oh good.
Karra: I think in the one that she sent that it’s a beautiful planet and pull together as a team and get these problems taken care of…..I can’t remember exactly because I don’t have it right in front of me but her work is very, very important. I don’t think Omal would let her drive herself as hard as she has been if it wasn’t this vitally crucial because it is all warnings for you.
Karra: it’s a state of preparedness.
Russ: well like we said on the page, it's the fact that hey, it’s the next step toward defcon one. There’s not going to be another upgrade from defcon two unless it's just all hell breaks loose.
Russ: at that point too late.
Karra: pretty much so, it’s just saying that it’s beyond hope at that point.
Russ: well the question I’ve got is and I will ask Omal this but what is it that we would take to go back down to defcon three?
Karra: a lot of the aggressive action
ceasing, a period without extreme seismic activity,
probably a general smoothness, not this aggressive
stance that is going on and it’s not just in one
location, I don’t think that would’ve been the
deciding factor. I mean you’ve got different places,
you’ve got Peru, you’ve got Chechnya, you’ve got
East Timor, you’ve got Angola, you’ve got South
Africa, you’ve got all these places across the world
where violence is occurring. You’ve got the problems
in Kosovo still going on, the riots there. It’s not
just a localized, one-off place, it’s all over. From
a healing standpoint there is a lot
of stuff that is very overwhelming that is very
aggressive and if you were to take all the numbers
from places like East Timor,
Chechnya, Peru, Colombia, all those places, you
would be running into tens of thousands of people
killed in hostile actions and then throw in on top
of that all the seismic activity of
people being killed in those and you're running into
hundreds of thousands.
Karra: you’re running into a point where 50 years ago that would have been unheard of. A 100,000 people killed within the space of two months, that would’ve been totally unheard of. A 100 years ago that would’ve been very alarming. 500 years ago you would be talking about 1% of the population of your planet. So it's something that is very concerning as a healer to see such harm being treated with such triviality. Everybody goes, “oh it’s a shame, oh it’s a pity.’ Then you look into the people that are suffering that are still in reasonably one piece but mentally suffering as well as some of them physically suffering and you’re running into close to a million people. People just look at that as numbers at that point. One is regretful, a dozen is a tragedy, a thousand is a great, great loss, any more than that and people just don’t comprehend it. Nobody can comprehend a million people in suffering.
Russ: hmm, those numbers are just beyond comprehension.
Skip: the numbers don’t mean anything anymore when they get up past a certain point.
Karra: exactly, everybody has seen a thousand people in one place at one time or even 10,000 people in one place at one time, it’s a lot of people. Very few people have actually seen a million in one place at one time.
Skip: yeah sure.
Karra: so it is something that is very concerning and what is most concerning for me is the fact that it’s being treated as, "okay, no biggie" which if Tia was present and instead of just listening she would say something about, "is one person worth any more than a million?" And the fact that people go, "a million people, 10,000 people, a hundred thousand people", I’m pretty sure that Tia would say something do with morals, the fact that the morals of self-centeredness is causing many problems which dovetails with what we were discussing earlier Russ.
Karra: self-centeredness, using people for their own means and ends. In fact you remember my comments last week about users?
Karra: that’s what’s going on here.
Karra: we’re using valuable time.
Russ: yeah, I'm all done….
Karra: actually I’m stalling a little bit because Tia keeps on getting interrupted and she is monitoring, monitoring us and monitoring what’s going on. Okay, any more questions?
Skip: no, I don’t think so.
Karra: okay, let me put on the first speaker.
Skip: okay darling.
Treebeard: greetings Skip……
Treebeard: greetings Russ.
Skip: how are you doing today?
Treebeard: I am doing of well and you?
Skip: fine but getting better.
Treebeard: I see humor in wording.
Treebeard: okay now, as we are filling and backpedaling, let me instead of giving long explanations let me be of available to'ing of answering.
Russ: excellent. I have a real good question, forest management.
Russ: the ability to monitor the use of renewable resources like trees and using them but not overusing them. How do you establish a balance in a forest of what you use compared to what won’t kill off the forest?
Treebeard: there is very easy of way, you farm of trees. Remembering that it takes of great time for trees to go from little sapling to big.
Treebeard: what you can do is take area
that is clear of trees and area next to it being of
lots of trees, you estimate how much area will be
needed for trees. You plant twice area.......size
of area for saplings which are of fast-growing trees
and you wait a while making price of timber going
up, then you start to of cut area
slowly for lumber, as
you are cutting, trees aren't growing. A five year
after planting first area you plant second area.
Treebeard: after another five years being 10 years you cut……you are about halfway through cutting area you have of selected, you plant area that you have cleared with little saplings so you now being of having three areas. Then as area being finished of cutting, you plant that area with new of saplings so you now have four areas. Time elapsed so far 20 years thereabouts of your time. First area being just of ready to start harvesting but best to wait another 10 years so they are of 30 years. So having of reached 30 years, then you have area now where you have of five groups of trees all at different phases and you keep repeating projects in a cycle so you have area of great size with trees that you are cutting down and planting continually.
Russ: hmm, now don’t the roots and the stumps get in the way of your planting effort, do you have to pull them out?
Treebeard: as they break down, what do they be of giving?
Russ: I see.
Treebeard: so new feeding off of old which is as it has always been with physical beings.
Skip: in other words, you’re talking about using a 10 year cycle.
Treebeard: much bigger than 10 years.
Skip: I mean for each planting.
Treebeard: each plantation.
Skip: yeah a 10 year cycle. 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years.
Treebeard: that being correct, 60 is ideal number for trees to be of big size that would being suitable for building of big houses and long trees for tall rafters.
Skip: because right now we have a cycle right here in the South Lake of a 100 years on our trees.
Treebeard: a 100 would being perfect but depending on speed of growing of trees.
Skip: you see because the turn-of-the-century they clear cut this country and then replanted it so there’s no trees over 100 years old here.
Treebeard: there are few groves where there are memory trees.
Skip: yeah but from here clear to Carson City it was clear cut.
Treebeard: which is very sad but area this big it would being of ideal for project of a 60 year cycle.
Russ: on Lake Tahoe? Well there 70 miles of lake shore.
Skip: yeah and they clear cut it.
Russ: in how long a time?
Skip: probably in 15 years.
Skip: because there was not a tree left up here at the turn-of-the-century.
Russ: that’s not good forest management.
Skip: no but see in them days they didn’t manage forests, they just clear cut.
Treebeard: well there is being more to forest management then just planting trees, you have to be of planting right trees if you are using plantation style methods. If you are of just replacing trees to restore to natural, you do not plant trees that I am seeing pictured in your minds. Those are wrong trees for this region you are being of living in. Those trees are being of non-drought resistant, nonresistant to indigenous insect life which will being of causing problems and also picture you are generating suggests that of trees not being far enough apart, too close together, that is part of force management.
Treebeard: also what is part of forest management is natural for growth and being of forest and of managers of forest not being human but of being deva working hand-in-hand next to forest deva is devas of fire. Fire is part of natural process but if not allowed to work, then fire devas lose control and skill of using fire for keeping forests healthy.
Treebeard: with needle forests, it becoming of problem that acid increase in soil as needles being of dissolving to ground.
Treebeard: okay next of question for audio.
Skip: well then the Indians had the right idea, I’m speaking of North American Indians, they burnt their forest probably every 10 years.
Treebeard: elaborate please.
Skip: either through…..before……okay before the invasion of the European people into the North American continent we had North American Indians and their philosophy was to set fires in the forests either by natural causes which are lightning or by their own hand every 10 years to burn off the underbrush and let the tall trees grow and clean the forest.
Treebeard: ahh, you are being of correct, that is part of natural process and good management of forest. I am interested in terminology you use, invasion? We will discuss that at another time as I am being of fascinated by what you are visualizing.
Skip: okay, okay at a different time then.
Treebeard: but you are being quite correct in using that as example, that is healthy forest management.
Skip: uh-huh, about every 10 years. What was I was saying? Immigration of people from all over the world to this country that has been ceased.
Treebeard: yes, I see it as potential for great problem, great catastrophe.
Skip: uh-huh, I believe that’s why we’re having such hellacious forest fires that we're having now.
Treebeard: do not believe no, that is very correct assumption.
Russ: we’ve been having some real bad ones lately.
Skip: and they’re getting worse, they’re getting worse, they ain’t getting any better.
Treebeard: indigenous people that live in forest or near forests know how to of being managing. If you do not use fire as devas try to do so, then you are taking away natural control and fuel for wild land fires increases so no longer being just scorching of ground, it being coming of a holocaust, that is correct word to of using?
Skip: yes it is, yes it is.
Skip: prime example is Yellowstone, what was that, about five years ago or so?
Russ: eight years ago.
Skip: eight years ago? Now everything’s all new, it’s just beautiful there now.
Treebeard: but that is again example of being so. But I think part of problem is of fact that people are now dwelling within those areas where once it was not a problem of being big fires?
Treebeard: they were unseen and unheard of but now people of living within those areas see and being of alarmed and concerned of their property.
Russ: yeah, the Indians were nomadic, if they set the fire they just move on until the fire went away and they can move back in.
Skip: well true.
Russ: and nowadays, yeah you get set up in a place…..
Skip: well you got too many people.
Skip: that’s the problem, we’re getting overpopulated.
Treebeard: yes, I am thinking of so.
Skip: and more and more people are moving into the mountains to get away from the cities so consequently they're overpopulating the mountains where all the forests and all of our resources are.
Treebeard: okay let us of vocalize next question.
Russ: go ahead.
Skip: I have none.
Russ: oh, let’s see. That’s a good management plan for that, the other question I have is concerning......is also with forest management, the ability to use proper farming techniques for agriculture in let’s say an area you’ve already clear cut of timber and now you want to put agriculture in there. So you’re not going to grow trees again but are you going to be taking away from the health of the forest around you?
Treebeard: if it is isolated I do not see a problem but if you keep on expanding area and increasing of size, then you are harming the forest’s natural balance. But if you keep it isolated and small as initially set up then it is not being of problem, they are being like meadows.
Russ: oh right. Well many times in our history we have and present we have many areas that are taking the forest, cutting them down to put in agriculture and basically destroying forests and it’s finding that balance. The forest can’t tell you what its balance point is…..
Treebeard: true but if you listen and look you can observe what is root cause of problem.
Russ: hmm, well the overagriculturing or overgrazing.
Treebeard: no there is root problem of why you would need to cut down trees for more agriculture.
Skip: more people.
Treebeard: so what is answer?
Skip: kill off half the people. (Starts laughing.) No I’m just teasing Treebeard, I’m just teasing.
Treebeard: I do see humor in your mind on that but with what is going on I think it would be not a idea of good to make comments even in jest.
Skip: right, no the solution to this would be a more efficient agricultural.
Treebeard: or learning abstinence.
Treebeard: not abstinence but taking precautions. Instead of two people having three or more of children, just having one.
Skip: this is true too but it’s still going to explode your population.
Skip: go ahead I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
Treebeard: but I was just trying to advise you that we are being listened to by Kiri and Tia.
Skip: I was just teasing about eliminating half the population.
Treebeard: I am understanding but I am thinking of Tia with her workload.
Skip: I know, I know, I just…..sense of humor. I’m a little bit twisted but it’s a sense of humor.
Treebeard: oh I am of understanding, I am not admonishing you or anything, I am just concerned that we do not want third blind.
Skip: yeah I know, I know. But no if they would.....I believe in my own mind if and they’re trying to......agriculture would be more efficient with what they’ve got rather than trying to just expand land to grow more food. Be more resourceful in growing two or three foods on the land that they’ve got.
Treebeard: oh most certainly, it is easy to be more efficient, increasing arable area is just temporarily remedy to increase in peoples. If you learn how to make area produce much more and more efficiently, you can therefore as you say two or three products in one year means that it is more advantageous than just one. Three being perfect set up for doing so.
Skip: I see this happening all over though, other people are getting more efficient with their property. Even the cattle people are starting to grow alfalfa in their pastures that they can harvest while they're still grazing cattle in them. So there you’ve got two products coming from one piece of land.
Russ: well a lot of technology is now with agriculture and have been focusing on more higher yields with less space used. For example, hydroponics, greenhouses, other various means allow you to control environments that you’re growing in so you don’t have to use up necessary soil or…..
Skip: more and more and more land yeah.
Russ: yeah, growing in areas where you can’t grow. Taking a desert, putting in a greenhouse or a very large set of greenhouses even and you can grow as much in there as you could on arable land.
Skip: yeah. See at one time there was three states covered by wheat country.
Treebeard: now I should seeing that it is of probably less.
Skip: see North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana were all covered with wheat country, Eastern Montana.
Russ: oh really?
Skip: that was all dry land wheat country at one time, it’s almost all gone.
Skip: because it’s so arid. Now they're growing other things there.
Treebeard: but Skip is of answering your next question.
Russ: what to do with the land?
Treebeard: Skip started to answer question.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Treebeard: you started to answer, please finish. You were talking about dry farm, dry wheat and now farming other things?
Skip: uh-huh, yeah.
Skip: well, this is happening all over though. It’s just Oklahoma, Texas and right down through the mid-country was a dust bowl in what? ‘29, ‘30, ‘31, ‘32, the people all migrated to California because it was good growing country. It’s still is good growing country but the population’s increasing so fast they're the wiping out the growing country.
Russ: hmm, well what are they growing in
those places now where it used to be
Skip: now it’s going back to being agricultural country again. Of course Texas and Oklahoma is all oil wells but they still…..they’re putting cattle and sheep back on the land which they had pulled out. I would say in the last 20 years that area’s gone back to what it was before the dust bowl ages. People done the dust bowl, it was man’s thing that done the dust bowl. He plowed up everything so consequently when the winds came it blew away all the good soil. Am I correct Treebeard?
Treebeard: you are being of correct I am assuming, I am not familiar with that period in your history.
Russ: all I remember from that is from my history books.
Skip: okay what I understand is European farmers came here and they done the same kind of soil preparation that they done in Europe which is to plow, disk and level and plant. Not rotate or not.....what do they call it? Cutting crossways the hills and not plow everything, they plowed everything. And when you turn the soil continuously and make a flat land out of it, when the wind comes it blows away all your nutrients and all your good soil because you plowed the good soil up.
Russ: so what are they doing now, they put up wind breaks?
Skip: oh there’s wind breaks, they rotate crops, rotate planting, space planting so that the wind can't blow away everything and turned it into arid land again.
Skip: but this was through a hard way of learning.
Treebeard: unfortunately so….
Russ: still that's good information for other people.
Skip: oh sure, sure.
Russ: especially things like the project we’re working on…..
Russ: that’s good information now for agricultural planning in an area where you’re going to be putting a dense amount of people.
Skip: yeah because you don’t want to level everything, you do and you lose it.
Russ: ohhh, excellent.
Skip: because if you level everything and plow up all your soil holding properties like your trees and your shrubs, if you plow up everything and clear your land completely, the wind will blow away everything you got.
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Skip: the wind is unforgiving.
Treebeard: you have moved away from my field of expertise.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Treebeard: I am now of learning so I am being of big eared to catch all that is of saying.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Russ: well no actually that’s very fascinating. It's just that for example you plow let’s say one way in one field…..
Russ: and the field next to it you plow perpendicular to it?
Skip: yes, yes and don’t drag it the same way, don’t drag the two fields the same way. What I mean by drag, let me see if I can remember everything. When you drag a field you level it, completely level it. You use a drag which pulls away the roots and the fine bits and pieces that…..plants and so on and so forth. You drag your field crossways to the wind and you lose it all.
Skip: you drag it the way the wind blows, you don’t lose everything because it goes down into the little grooves in the field.
Russ: I get it, I get it.
Skip: okay? If you drag it
crossways, everything blows off.
(Treebeard continues getting a memorable lesson.)
Skip: ……..you plow approximately 15 furrows at one side of the field, you leave a space of five furrows wide then plow 15 more furrows, leave another space five furrows wide so that you still got the natural plants of the ground in them five furrows. You’re planting where you plowed 15 furrows in each area. The wind comes along or the water comes along, it doesn’t erode your whole field because you’ve got them five furrows every so often that haven’t been plowed, they’re still natural.
Treebeard: hmm, what is furrow?
Skip: a furrow is where you stick a plow in the ground and you pull it through the ground and it turns over everything about 8 to 10 inches deep, it’s called a furrow.
Treebeard: okay I am of listening.
Skip: a furrow is when you turn the ground over and you get the fresh ground on top and all the natural plants and everything else go underneath that furrow and become compost and nutrients for your plants okay?
Skip: if you leave an area of five furrows wide and then plow 15 more furrows……..in other words you’re spacing your field so that the natural strip every so often is in your field. I know it’s difficult to do because European people have never farmed that way, they plow the whole field……level the whole field and plant.
Treebeard: I am thinking of different soils that they are being of used to.
Skip: no, no Treebeard, European soil and what they call the Midwest in North America is almost the same soil okay?
Treebeard: ahh different landscape.
Skip: just different landscape correct, the rolling hills, the woods, everything else, the low mountains which is through Pennsylvania and so on and so forth, it’s almost the same as Europe. So you have the same people that’s been farming for centuries in Europe coming to this country where they find the same kind of soil and they want to farm the same ways that they did in Europe.
Treebeard: so they are farming what they of knowing how to do but being wrong because not understanding…….
Treebeard: the local environment.
Skip: correct because we have warm winds…..
Skip: harder rains, harder winters and it erodes the soil quicker than it does in Europe because you got more wind breaks and the farms are smaller.
Treebeard: ahh, I am of understanding a little bit of better now.
Russ: oh I got it, like in England where they’ve got lots wind breaks all over the place…..
Russ: I mean you got everywhere you look you got….
Skip: same thing in Europe, you got hedgerows all over the place and the farms aren't that big. In this country became thousand acre farms which they didn’t have in Europe......
Russ: hmmm, I see.
Skip: and they’re leveling the land you don’t have the wind breaks so you’re losing your topsoil.
Skip: I’m sorry Treebeard, I didn’t get off on….
Treebeard: no, no. I am of being fascinating, I am learning of much as you speak you visualize and sub vocalize, I am picking up on those as well as what is being spoken. I am learning much.
Russ: what about irrigation for something that way that they’re doing now that they didn’t do back then?
Skip: you’re creating more richer soil and turning arid areas into fertile areas with irrigation which wasn’t done back in the pre-dustbowl days. There’s a lot of irrigation projects going on now that have been in place for what? 40, 50 years.
Skip: that hone the arid soil back to where you could farm it and grow good crops and you don’t lose the topsoil because you’re flooding the area and you’re not losing the topsoil from the wind even though you don’t have the wind breaks. In other words they’re doing a lot of management in the last 50 years that wasn’t done before okay? They’re learning, they’re learning, they’re learning the hard way but everybody’s learning……
Treebeard: okay quick comment for naming of tape, land management.
Russ: good call, excellent.
Skip: yeah good call Treebeard.
Russ: okay well that’s about all we can cover on that.
Skip: okay let me get off the soapbox, I didn’t mean to get on…
Russ: no it was quite educational.
Treebeard: I am learning of much and being at my age it is something I am very glad of and I thank you from heart of bottom.
Skip: thank you sir, I appreciate it.
Treebeard: no it is thank you. Okay, I must of departing.
Russ: very well Treebeard, enjoy, that was very educational.
Russ: I didn’t know any of that stuff.
Skip: yeah land management’s been a real bitch for me all my life because I see what’s happening.
(Karra returns to let Omal have his turn.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hey, hey. You actually had Treebeard sitting up instead of reclining and leaning forward and looking directly at the holos.
Skip: oh okay.
Russ: oh that's good.
Karra: he was fascinated.
Skip: well thank you.
Karra: normally he sits back in a reclined position and talks to the holograms. This time he was sitting up with elbows on knees and chin in hands being fascinated, watching from one to the other.
Skip: well I didn’t mean to get on a soapbox.
Karra: I think he was very impressed. (A cat meows.) Yes Bobkin?
Skip: that has been a big thing with me all of my life is….
Russ: well you'll probably get a lot more questions in the next few weeks I can imagine.
Karra: I should imagine so too, he is picking up his rabbit and is talking to his rabbit and he seems very jovial.
Skip: good, good, I'm glad.
Russ: excellent, excellent.
Karra: okay, let me put on Omal.
(Omal takes his place within the channeling field.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Skip: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings and I think you have covered quite a bit there on land management, I think Skip you have set yourself up unfortunately.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Omal: oh do not be sorry, maybe it is us that should be sorry that you will be having your brains picked on a regular basis now.
(We both laugh.)
Skip: oh well that’s okay, that’s okay, that’s been a pet peeve of mine all my life.
Omal: it is something that Treebeard seemed to be very fascinated and I believe he is going off to do his thing, dwell?
Skip: yep, thinking about all of it.
Omal: so you will have lots of questions being asked at you.
Russ: that will be a change.
Omal: be prepared. I find it amusing.
Skip: well I do too because I don’t usually vocal what I think.
Russ: well Treebeard came here out of the goodness of his heart to help and I think finally he’s really reached a point where it’s like he’s really glad that he came.
Skip: I hope so.
Omal: I think so too, he came as requested to help fill out and is now being more a part of what is going on, he’s not so much now the outsider.
Skip: yeah, he doesn’t feel like he’s an outsider anymore.
Omal: no he has come not only to teach but to learn.
Skip: well you know, I’ve always found in my lifetime that you can always learn something from the students.
Omal: you are very correct. Kiri is fond of saying that when she is teaching that if she doesn’t learn something from her students even to use her phrasing how stupid they can be…..
Omal: then you aren't teaching.
Skip: That’s correct.
Omal: and now I think Treebeard has got to the point where he is learning and I don’t know if it’s fortunate or unfortunate that he has found something that he is fascinated in and you know a lot of which will be for some interesting sessions here shortly I think.
Skip: okay all right okay but it has, it’s been a thing with me all my life of how people misuse land. And they did it, they misuse it.
Russ: well it’s been going on since the dawn of time.
Skip: it’s been going on for 200 years at least.
Russ: longer than that, the Mayans horribly abused their land and that was 2,000 years ago.
Skip: yeah and they done it in this country for so many years that they just abused the hell out of our whole nation. I think my biggest problem is Omal is I’m a breed.
Skip: I’m part Indian and that part of me just rebels like crazy when they tear up our property.
Omal: I think it is an indigenous person’s philosophy. The druids of Europe, the few true druids are thoroughly disgusted with how land management is.
Skip: yes and it’s going on all over the world, not just in this country but all over the world.
Omal: oh exactly and I believe the aboriginals of Australia feel the same way and the aboriginals of South America and other places feel the same way.
Skip: yeah, they’re just destroying our land and God ain’t going to make any more of it.
Omal: true, true, there is only so much.
Skip: that’s right.
Omal: and it is all visible. Okay….
Skip: I’m sorry to get off on.........
Omal: oh that’s quite all right. Now from the humorous and light questioning to the serious stuff.
Skip: okay, all right.
Omal: okay. Madam Ambassador brought to my attention some comments that were made about the press releases, they are very necessary unfortunately, I concur with her comments.
Omal: I concur with the fact that she is saying that it is up to the individual whether or not that they wish this information. Whether they are ready for it is again their choice, we have discussed that in the past, whether an individual is ready for it or not. Comments have been made that I am pushing Tia too hard, not necessarily by the host and not necessarily by other people but implications have been implied that I am pushing her too hard. As a base commander I don’t like having to do this, this is something that upsets me tremendously but it is necessary. To quote from your popular entertainment, “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”
Skip: and it’s your job.
Omal: exactly and I’ve made that choice that the needs of the many if necessary are the sacrifice of the few. Russ, do not look so shocked.
Russ: no, no, no. no, I understand exactly where you’re coming from.
Omal: it is something that…..
Russ: we live down here.
Omal: correct, yes.
Russ: we’re at defcon two, we don’t have another defcon to go.
Omal: you have one more to go and when that one comes, that will be the final press release. I have seen Tia’s final press release for such a situation, she has it already typed out, already to be released with my approval……
Omal: and it is blunt and to the point. It basically, politely putting it and shortening it is, you're screwed.
Omal: this is the last communiqué, you are screwed, make the best of things that you can.
Russ: yeah we totally agree with whatever you’re doing.
Skip: yeah we do.
Russ: we're little more personally involved in......
Omal: I personally think that she is not that close to her breaking point, she is obviously physically and mentally tired but she can handle it. She is….
Skip: she’s a very strong person.
Omal: she is a very strong person. She may be rude, she may be bad tempered, she may swear and curse and call you bad names but that is because of her workload.
Skip: that’s to be expected.
Omal: she is a very, very tired young lady and I am hoping and praying that the situations will lighten up soon and moving a little bit away from that subject, professionalism is very important in anything that you do.
Skip: yes it is.
Omal: professionalism, when you put your heart and being and soul into a project not only makes it an incredible or beautiful project but you give of yourself something that is…..that you can take pride in, that you can stand back and say, “yes, I did that” and the professionalism is something that is very, very important. We can all look around and look at professionalism and see that the people that have done those professional deeds, whether it is building a sword or building a computer, they take pride in that and they can stand up and say, “yes I did that, that was me”, that is something they can take pride in. An artist is the same way, an artist that has a statue standing in the middle of a town square can stand up and say, “yes, I built that. Yes that is a likeness of so-and-so but I made it”. Talk to any artist and I don’t mean artist as in painter but an artist as in a builder of a house, a builder of a sword, a builder of a computer…..
Russ: builder of a webpage.
Omal: builder of a webpage, they all take pride in what they do.
Skip: yeah, yeah. Even is what I do, I take pride in what I do for other people.
Omal: correct and the pride is so important, it is something that seems to be lacking a little in your society at the moment.
Skip: it is, it is. A whole bunch, not just a little.
Omal: I’m downplaying it a little.
Skip: it just amazes me that people have let their pride in their work and their creation slide so far.
Omal: and they have become very sloppy.
Skip: yes they have.
Omal: Tia will be unavailable for channeling sessions for approximately a month, she will be given……and I’m glad that I’ve had the connection disconnected with her office for the moment…….she will be given a free travel pass to wherever she wishes to go and travel pass to get back, she will be rewarded for her hard work. Okay, let us answer questions.
Skip: Omal, I have a belief that if the person takes pride in their work no matter what it is…..
Skip: they put the pressure on themselves.
Skip: their overseers or supervisors or whatever you want to call them don’t put the pressure on them, they put the pressure on themselves.
Omal: that is correct.
Skip: and by doing that, they know how far they can go.
Omal: sometimes they push themselves too far.
Skip: well yeah but 99% of the time they don’t, self-preservation kicks in.
Omal: I think Tia is in the 1%.
Skip: okay but usually self-preservation will kick in.
Omal: Tia in the past, what has Tia done in the past Russ? She has bitten off more than she can chew sometimes.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Omal: you have seen it as well Skip.
Skip: yes I have but……
Omal: but she works……she is ideal for the job because she will give her all even to the point of giving it everything.
Skip: yep. Okay, that does it, I’m sorry.
Omal: oh that’s quite correct, that’s quite all right, that’s something that needed to be brought up. Russ.
Russ: taking a page from the Sirian Chronicles and overlaying it on 1999 and on August, October whatever it is, at what point would you say we are corresponding?
Omal: different planets, different people.
Russ: correct, similar circumstances.
Omal: fairly yes but I see after.......let me take some of Tia’s vague predictions at this time, these are only vague ones that she is currently working on but one of them is that after a period of a couple years, you will start to see the spread of governments controlling larger areas similar to Europe being a single government? Russia the former Soviet Union becoming a group of individual states but all grouped together as like Europe, independent countries but with a centralized government like the European economic community government setup. That will become more the main. They will be breakdowns in some other large countries like the former Soviet Union broke down and they will be reorganized along different lines but would work together as like the EEC.
Omal: those are just some of the predictions that Tia is formulating at the moment.
Skip: okay now I have a question.
Skip: now by these different countries forming a local government to govern wider areas…
Skip: are we seeing the first steps of possibly world government?
Omal: I’m glad you picked up on that, it is a possibility. As the reports that I’ve read are just preliminary reports and projections, I would not like to say. When Tia has finished formulating this thought, we will readdress that but at the moment I do not have that information.
Skip: no but that kind of has overtones of possibly being that in the future, not the near future don’t misunderstand me but down the line.
Omal: I don’t know, I cannot say.
Russ: I don’t see it myself, I just see it……for example, I see blocks of power like Omal’s intimating at.
Omal: I know what Skip is driving at, once there is space travel…..
Russ: well now that’s different, that's different. At the point where we see space travel, that changes the whole formula.
Omal: and that is when I think Skip is leaning towards that the world will become a one government world once there is space travel.
Russ: well you know Korton and Monka both expressed on the communication technology advances that are going on….
Russ: the bridging of societies.
Skip: I see it because more and more countries are cooperating to set up satellites in this time and age and if they continue to cooperate even in that, I believe that down the road in the years to come we will see one world…..well I won’t see it but there will be one world government.
Omal: how long do you think that will take?
Skip: oh, just offhand I would say probably between 200 and 500 years.
Russ: I’m calling for 20.
Skip: no, it ain’t going to happen that quick.
Russ: depends on space travel.
Skip: well space travel fine but I’m talking about world government.
Omal: what else do you see in that time frame?
Skip: world peace for one thing.
Skip: because once everybody starts cooperating, they'll start understanding each other to the point of why fight? Why fight?
Omal: what about space travel?
Skip: space travel is…..it’ll come but it’s going to take a world of cooperation to do that, not one country can just up and say, “we’re going to do it” and finance it because they’re just not big enough to finance it. I’m talking about economical problems along with human nature problems. The United States per se, North America, is the youngest country in the world and yet we seem to be supporting the rest of the world. I believe that down the road in probably about a 100 or 200 years everybody will start realizing, “hey, if these young people can do this why can’t we do it?”
Omal: okay, what do you think will happen with the international space station and how that interacts with the one world government?
Skip: well that’s going to have to be a cooperative effort from all countries and that will accelerate the world government because every country’s going to want to have their own people on that space station as representatives from their country. This is going to accelerate cooperation between the countries of this world.
Omal: okay now, what about medicine and computer technology and the interface?
Skip: well we’ve already started to interface with each other with our computers, just the average individual like Russ and I and Mark, we’re starting to talk with people all over the world and they’re feeling the same way we are. Why not cooperate rather than fight? Why fight, what does it get us? It costs us money, it cost us people, it hurts economies, it hurts our people, it hurts everything. It even hurts our government although the politicians don’t believe so, they figure that’s the only way they can make money is by…….
Omal: okay now another question, how do you see medical procedures and the computer technology working together, for example using computers to be able to control and manipulate damaged parts of the human body?
Skip: well that’s also coming to a head because scientists aren't working alone anymore in different countries, they're starting to cooperate with each other and pick each other’s minds. There will be probably the first step in different country’s cooperations. They always have been, they’ve always cooperated with each other, scientists and researchers and doctors and whatever you want to call them but they’ve always cooperated with each other. Before there was no communication to be able to cooperate and help each other out devising vaccines, toxins, eliminate disease, whatever. Now it’s happening, now it’s happening.
Omal: okay, last question. In……..I can’t think of the word…….cyber, when you use……cybernetics, human and computer interface for example, an appendage being controlled by a computer in the mind of an individual implanted in their mind to control a damaged limb or to be able to activate a computer so that they can talk by just thinking. This is a little different question, when do you see that happening?
Skip: it’s already happening.
Omal: but when do you see it becoming more efficient and more commonplace?
Skip: I would say within 20 years.
Omal: okay thank you.
Skip: why am I being put on the spot?
(We both laugh.)
Omal: that is the question I was waiting for. If when you review the tape, you listen to it carefully, I have set you up with a whole load of predictions by asking questions fast and not letting you think.
Russ: I saw the pattern you were going in.
Skip: you realize by......
Omal: no, no, what you have done is whilst you were waiting for Karra to arrive, you were asking about accessing your past lives…..
Omal: you just did. You have taken the information that you have from those past lives, accessed them. They were all technical questions, all to do with engineering and computers which an engineer on the spaceship would use and they were all aimed at using that past life information. You answered the questions without hesitating, without thinking too long because they were already answered. That is the way that you access your past lives. Do not look so shocked, I set you up to answer those questions and to show you that you can access your past lives if……and be conscious and remember them…….if you are asked and not given time to think. Sometimes you don’t get the effect that you want but in this case you were in the right frame of mind at the right situation and the right timing and we got the information that we wanted. The information that you have now on tape is a whole load of predictions which will come true, I guarantee them because they actually mesh with ours. But what we did was that we used your past life information to confirm ours and to be able to show you how to access your past lives. Okay, any questions?
Skip: I don’t think so, I think I’ve answered them all.
Omal: you answered your own questions.
Russ: and you answered mine too.
Omal: if you think back, you asked I believe Kiri on one occasion about cascading, how to cascade. This was quite a few years ago.
Russ: about 2 ½ years ago.
Omal: okay, what did we do to you? We made you cascade.
Skip: okay, I do a question.
Skip: is this why that whenever I take on a challenge, I have no doubts and no qualms about just diving into it and doing it?
Omal: partly yes, the other reason is that you are that kind of person like Tia that is a plunger. You get in there and do it, you do not have any regrets, you do not have any qualms about it, it needs to be done, you do it the best that you can and you get in there and do it and you use subconsciously that information you’re looking for.
Omal: it is filed in there, it is not misaddressed. The files are there and open, it is just a matter of shall we say phrasing.
Skip: okay, I thank you.
Omal: no problem, as soon as we got off the topic of Tia and her work, I started setting you up with those questions.
Skip: I realize that now.
Omal: even the chatting about going back to Tia and her workload, it was all part of the setup, that was something that was necessary.
Skip: you bugger, you’ve done something to me, you opened me up where I don’t normally do that, you know that don’t you? I usually just sit back and listen.
Omal: we said that we would set you up to cascade about 2 ½ years ago Russ?
Russ: uh-huh Christmas time, actually more like January.
Omal: so we said that we would set you up so that you would cascade and we would show you how to do it, now you know how to do it.
Omal: the predictions are on the tape, how long do we have Russ?
Russ: I would call it about 10 minutes.
Omal: okay let us continue.
Skip: okay thank you Omal.
Omal: no problem. Okay Russ do you have one more question?
Russ: no, I don’t want to spoil the moment.
Omal: okay. Well, live long, prosper and I’ll be back and thank you Skip, you have given us some very useful information.
Skip: thank you.
Russ: yes, thank you Skip.
(It's Karra's last time on before the end of the tape.)
Skip: how long you been doing this, how long have I been with you guys?
Russ: a little over five years.
Skip: five or six years?
Karra: hello I’m back.
Skip: hi baby.
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hey. Oh, Omal set you up there didn’t he?
Skip: yeah and I’m almost embarrassed.
Karra: oh no, no, no don’t be, don’t be.
Russ: I think you got opened up from Treebeard at first with your knowledge on the dust bowl and I think it was the perfect opportunity for Omal to go in and open you up a little bit more.
Karra: I think so too, I think so too, I think Omal saw an opportunity and went for it.
Russ: I assume Tia got let in on the conversation?
Russ: Tia got reconnected about that?
Karra: she’s just been reconnected.
Russ: oh, we'll have get her a transcript.
Karra: we will get her a copy of tonight’s session.
Russ: okay. Very valuable for her research too.
Skip: yes it is.
Karra: uh-huh, that has been edited so....
Russ: of course.
Karra: yeah, the reason why I’m editing for Tia is because there are things on there it would be unsuitable at this time.
Karra: later on we’ll sit down and discuss it all of us, Tia, Kiri, myself, you guys, we’ll sit down and have a good laugh about it.
Karra: but yes, I am addressing my comments at Tia at the moment.
Russ: just about the Cybernetics part.
Russ: when he questioned you about the Cybernetics?
Russ: I was interested about that because now Karra correct me if I’m wrong here….
Russ: but isn’t everything that Skip was talking about then directly related to our future as a race?
Karra: no, a lot of them were set up, the questions were set up towards space travel.
Karra: artificially enhancing individuals to handle space travel I think is where Omar was going.
Skip: in other words like the Red Baron was.
Karra: uh-huh, like the Baron.
Skip: he had implants to let him perform his job better and quicker…..
Karra: oh much better and quicker.
Skip: than the average person.
Skip: yeah. Now an implant……oh I’m sorry.
Karra: oh no, no, no, no go ahead, go ahead.
Karra: okay Skip, okay, okay. We opened you up didn’t we?
Russ: yeah here I was just starting to get interested in this whole conversation too.
Skip: okay an implant, they’ve been playing with this for about 30 years, if you lose a limb, they can put an implant to where you can think about moving your hand and you can move it only it's mechanical and it’s other powered rather than body powered okay?
Skip: and that implant will control through your thought processes and once you develop these thought processes, it’s just a matter of just like you’re breathing, it’s unconscious.
Russ: yeah now computers are using strictly just thought energy?
Skip: yeah, yes definitely, definitely.
Karra: electrical impulses I would say.
Skip: they’re impulses to a point but they’re different frequency impulses.
Skip: the frequency is where it comes in.
Russ: well you’re using your brain for the controller but what interprets the signals?
Skip: the computer in the arm.
Skip: or the leg.
Russ: they have that ability or it’s getting there?
Skip: yeah, it…..
Karra: it’s close I would say.
Skip: it will be mechanical but it will be covered by near flesh.
Russ: so it’s coming through nerves and I suppose then that the computer’s able to register what impulse is coming from what nerves and interpret into what actions need to be taken.
Skip: that’s correct.
Russ: I got it.
Skip: there you go. It’s just like a movie came several years ago out called “The Bionic Man”.
Russ: I remember it, “The Six million Dollar Man”?
Skip: okay yeah, Steve Austin plays the role in it but he was a pilot that had a crash, lost an eye and lost his legs and one arm or both arms or something….
Skip: anyhow, they called him bionic. His limbs were powered by atomic energy capsules and computers and it all came from the brain waves of his head including his eye.
Russ: it was science fiction you mean.
Skip: it was science fiction but science fiction is based on fact.
Karra: actually Russ was just thinking of the start of this movie for a second or the TV series and Kiri, sisters sometimes do this, she says that was an actual crash of…….I forget what project she said it was but the crash at the start was a real crash…..
Karra: and it wasn’t a model or anything and the person in there did survive and they did do similar things to him apart from a lot of it was just cosmetic like the eye and replacing an arm and a leg and so on that he looked normal.
Skip: he was a test pilot.
Karra: that’s correct.
Skip: yeah, he was a test pilot. Them guys they….them are terrific fellows, they really are to put their life on the line just to test out an aircraft and they do every day.
Skip: anyhow I’m sorry, I didn't mean to get carried away.
Karra: oh that’s quite all right, quite all right. It’s been a very fascinating night. I’m going to start wrapping things down so that…..
Russ: that’s right, it's an evening without Tia or Kiri here, it’s still a very informative night.
Karra: the reason I’m wrapping things down is so that we don’t start saying and discussing things that need to be put on tape so we'll wind down and I get a question, why is this feline here so affectionate?
Skip: that one has changed, that one has changed but this one has changed, she knows she’s loved and she’s giving it back.
Karra: oh yes, she’s a good little cat.
Skip: thank you darling.
Karra: you’re welcome, you’re welcome. So, what’s the plan for the week then, what have you guys got planned? I know what you’ve got planned.
Russ: yeah of course.
Skip: for what?
Karra: the week. Got any more surprises coming up?
Karra: well are you going to be breaking out cigars?
Skip: breaking out what?
Skip: oh no.
Karra: those horrible things that you guys inhale.
Skip: oh no, no, no, no, no, no. I’m too old for that and so is my lady.
Skip: no uh-uh, no. No my lady didn’t……she declined to come up tonight because I had to come up early today and her breathing isn’t the best in the world and when she gets in this thin air for too long at a time, it’s puts her in a physical distress for about two or three days.
Karra: yes there is probably a way around that is to probably sit her down in a very humid room after up here.
Skip: in other words use a vaporizer?
Karra: no tell her to take a long, hot soaking bath.
Skip: well that works.
Karra: and get the humidity up in the room.
Karra: and in the bathroom put in a lot of potted plants.
Skip: okay, all right okay.
Karra: a lot of potted plants because what do we, what do you human life forms exhaust?
Russ: carbon dioxide.
Karra: and what do the plant breathe?
Russ: carbon dioxide.
Karra: and what do plants exhaust?
Skip: all plants radiate oxygen.
Karra: uh-huh, so what are you doing? You’re putting her in a humid room with a lot of plants and what do you get?
Russ: healthy plants.
Karra: you get both.
Skip: you get healthy plants.
Karra: you get healthy plants….
Skip: and a healthy lady.
Karra: that’s correct.
Give: well she is doing great, I can’t believe how far she’s come since I’ve met her.
Skip: but she was on over 30 medications when I first met her, she’s down to three.
Russ: wow, spectacular.
Karra: okay here’s something else to do on moonlit nights. Go for a walk, wrap up warm as it’s getting into your winter.
Skip: yes I know it is, it’s getting into our fall and winter yeah.
Karra: uh-huh and go for moonlit walks.
Karra: romantic and helps to expand the lung capacity.
Karra: not strenuous walks, just general walks.
Skip: no we’ll just get out and walk.
Skip: okay great.
Karra: you sit down, cuddle together underneath a full moon and watch the moonrise over the surrounding hills.
Skip: okay sounds good, sounds good. Thank you.
Karra: yeah. You don’t have to do it every night, maybe once a week or once every eight or nine days but it will help both of you and it will increase your lung capacity.
Karra: and of course having a lot of plants around will do the same thing.
Skip: yes she’s got lots of plants.
Karra: uh-huh, more is always better, always useful.
THE TAPE ENDS
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