DEVAS & TREES- Channeled 08/31/99

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Archivist Notes: This session takes off from Treebeard's earlier dissertation on trees and devas with this follow-up on Devas this time. His extensive knowledge of both subjects brought his previous chat full circle. Kiri lets us in on some the computer technology in use on the base while Omal gives some great advice on raising children. Tia closes out the session going over stock fluctuations and events in Russia.

KIRI Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)



2.)(18:36)- Karra continues on Omal's teaching method as well as jump starting healing.

3.)(27:00)- Tia goes over the stock market fluctuations and events in Russia at the time.

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(Kiri starts off the session)


Kiri: okay no, it wasn't a technical difficulty, we were wanting the door closed.

Russ: oh I see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: always handy.

Kiri: yes, it's a riot at the moment.

Russ: ahhhh really, they just starting to riot?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how's everything going?

Kiri: oh it's going pretty good apart from a riot.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: uh-huh, three on to two.

Russ: who's rioting and why? Oh, the kids?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: (laughs)

Russ: naturally.

Kiri: so we decided it was best to close the door to keep the noise level down.

Russ: good call. So how goes it tonight?

Kiri: oh it goes pretty good, it goes very good.

Russ: excellent.

Kiri: uh-huh. So okay, okay so you have a......pretty much a three week space as this was the final week.

Skip: yeah for a little while.

Kiri: uh-huh. So you have three extra whole weeks.

(for a project she assigned Skip and myself)

Russ: we will have to do extra on it.

Kiri: uh-huh. You's guys is lucky as you would say down there.

Russ: well you'd say that up there too?

Kiri: no I wouldn't. I would say, "unforeseen circumstances have given you a fortuitous extension".

Russ: oh.

Kiri: what's up with the feline? Is she just playful?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, now okay we've got all that ready to rock 'n roll and you guys are ready for your report once we resume our channeling sessions.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri:  okay now as I am the ring mistress, I have my whip and I have my short shorts on and I have got my waistcoat and I have my tall top hat so, I'm dialed.

Russ: what's under the waistcoat?

Kiri: nothing.

Russ: aren't you supposed to have a little jacket over that?

Kiri: huh?

Russ: you're supposed to have a little jacket over that. Shorts, waistcoat, jacket, hat, whip.

Kiri: well it's warm, you don't want me to sweat. Or maybe you do want me to sweat, but not there. Get all sweaty and wetty and hotty and horny.

Russ: sweaty and wetty?

Kiri: sweaty and wetty? Tastes good too. Okay, where were we? Okay yes in all seriousness as I am letting my composure slip a little, okay down to matters concerning.....oh what the hell, let's put on the first speaker as I am sweaty and wetty.

Russ: okay.

(Treebeard is the next speaker)

Treebeard: greetings.

Russ: greetings Treebeard.

Treebeard: greetings young man, greetings other young man.

Skip: thank you sir.

Treebeard: you are welcome. Okay now we are continuing on answer of deva and trees are we not of?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: okay, in continuing on relationship between tree deva and of trees, it is necessary to address history of deva and coming from. Now it is speculated and I emphasize of speculation that devas are of immense age. In evolutionary terms, it would be of saying that they are ascended but not ascended to next level. They are somewhere between the two. If looking at natural progression of going from third to sixth to seventh to eighth, devas being of somewhere between all but of being none. So theologists of sixth dimension and higher speculate that evolution would give option for either ascending to next dimensional level or becoming as of like deva if staying in on one dimension but continuing spiritual growth. So it is more of a point of view that is neither confirmable or deniable on what part devas are being of from. It is certainly a possible theorize that they were once of being third dimensional species or maybe still being of third dimensional species. But to speculate on their evolution is something that is of great interest but only as a debatable topic for discussion amongst learned minds but it opens all realms of possibles to discuss their evolution. Now connection with of trees is something that is also of open to discussion. Other kinds of devas being possible different other races that take their avenue of development into ethereal beings so that it would be difficult to speculate on different other devas being similar to tree devas. But tree devas are being my interest as I am interested in of trees, otherwise I would not have assumed for your convenience name of Treebeard. But it is also for speculation again on why they are picking of trees or not something other than trees. Trees covering flora and fauna as well of being. So the connection being between tree and deva is a relationship that is debatable for great length of time and answers are only speculationary. So that it would be desirable to be opening for you to also join in this of discussion of tree devas and trees on why the relationship being there for so.

Russ: okay, one thing that comes to mind from what you just said was a relationship that the first colonists had upon their arrival here on earth from Sirius and other places and setting up on Atlantis. The devas were one of the seven races that came to help set up that.

Treebeard: I am not knowing whether that is being so, all's I know is of Sirius.

Russ: Omal explained that to us.

Treebeard: okay, assuming so.

Russ: okay so at one point devas had a working relationship with the people who were here and since then we've seen of course stories of them and working with humans as far as in our mythologies where it's estimated that devas are some of our mythological beings that we've encountered and wrote stories on. And then we see in current times, places like in Stonehenge (Findhorn actually.) in Scotland where they work with devas on a natural progression base as helping them to grow things. Not treating it as much as others.

(needing less fertilizer or none at all)

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: so it seems to me that you know it's still a continuing working relationship that we have with them, is this why then it's important for us to realize our relationship with them and try to maintain that?

Treebeard: yes I am thinking that it would be suitable to continue such relationships, devas have much of offering. As for their evolution, as I stated, it is open of debatable matter that they are a step in a different direction in evolution. The connection that some devas have with trees and flora and fauna is something that again is debatable but useful to continue that relationship as a third dimensional species being you with the devas.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: well from the way it appears to me, the third dimensional people have lost contact with the devas, the majority of the people because they've become city dwellers and they're not aware of what's going on. They've kind of lost that contact, that spiritual contact with the devas of trees and flora and fauna as you suggested but they're still there.

Treebeard: oh yes they do not go away, they continue doing what they do but without interaction of the human species. But there are other kinds of devas other than the ones that care for flora and fauna. There are ones that take care of aquatic life forms, dwellers of the forest such as the animals you have with the long horns on their heads with many branches? So it would be saying that they have lost connection with the wild countryside devas. However dealing with of devas connecting with city of life, it would be of different.

Skip: okay, thank you. I am aware and I think Russ is too and Mark that people are starting to come back to this though, they're starting to become aware of what's going on other than just ignoring it continuously.

Treebeard: I would of thinking so too as noting comments in previous sessions that it is of more awareness. But I cover just one species of deva, there are many other species of deva.

Russ: so it's kind of like each deva has sort of like, they work within their own species of deva and yet they also interact with the other species also to maintain the harmony that they are all established in?

Treebeard: yes as stated in recent of conversations we having, devas of fire will often work with devas of wood.

Skip: in other words they make a harmonic community.

Treebeard: that is being of correct. Pardon my curiosity...

(picks up something and examines it)

Russ: no, no, feel free.

Treebeard: I think we should be asking if I may pardon myself on you.

Russ: one thing that comes to mind is with the devas and how they work together. They have a sort of, if we were to assume that what we've seen to this point a perfect community that they work with, they work in harmony with each other, there's no money, no greed, no desire to hurt others, merely to protect. It's almost as if they've gone beyond eighth dimension perhaps, I don't know, and yet still maintain that relationship with third.

Treebeard: to speculate on whether they have progressed beyond the eighth is unknown. They are definitely aware of many different things but also of different perspectives which is alien of us so being saying that they are higher is open to speculation and for theological discussion or other forms of discussion. Certainly they definitely do being of a harmonic balance with each other and of other things, however to say that they are incapable of harm is something that is again open to of speculation. But you are right in prefacing that by saying that they will protect their chosen avenue of care such as tree devas protecting of trees.

Russ: now one clue I'm wondering then if I could ask is, if we were to look back on history's mythologies and look at where man has taken their belief systems and perhaps transfered them from the devas to their deities that we see a little more deeper understanding of how devas work?

Treebeard: I will answer in moment, I will answer another question first. With devas of others concerning the abodes that city persons dwell in, it would be a different perspective on seeing the interaction with a let us say house deva that take cares of fires and take cares of water dwellings in the house that is being of constructed and coming to an abode that is compatible for them as well as for third dimensional lifeforms. Getting to Russ' question, it is possible that devas are being perceived in some cases as deities. That has been covered before under names of deities that Druids of using and learning of Druids. In some aspects Druids are much as we were a long time ago. Even before of my thinking of conception but the relationship with deities and devas is one difficult to pin down because of mentalities and thought processes of devas.

Russ: hmm, now have you met a deva before?

Treebeard: yes I being have of calling for my garden on home.

Russ: that's right. And your impression of the deva was one of love?

Treebeard: great age and comprehension but of different perception.

Russ: hmmm.

Treebeard: it is much as I have different perception of things as you do. What is plural of you when addressing two persons?

Russ: umm, you.

Treebeard: ah, okay I thought of saying you's but it did not sound of right.

Russ: no you had it right.

Skip: uh-hmm, that is correct Treebeard.

Treebeard: so it is of you's that it is different perception for devas of trees and fauna and flora than you you's have of them. But working with them is of satisfactory to both mutually beneficial. I answer of your question concerning house devas, was that being of adequate?

Skip: uh-hmm, yeah. In other words, it sounds in my perception as if they're a steady caregiver.

Treebeard: yes that would be one way of describing them, as being a caregiver, not of physical but of spiritual being of harmony. Keeping spiritually clean as possible.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: that would be kind of a simple way of putting it.

Russ: right.

Skip: yeah.

Treebeard: sometimes most simple way is best explanation. Having of difficulty in explaining in easy terms what I am of knowing makes it hard to word in way that would be easier to say as I lack full comprehension of yours languages.

Skip: no I don't think so. No you do a fantastic job, it's just that different people interpret things differently.

Treebeard: I think of correct. I listen to Madame ambassador and younger sister talk in English and much talk different than I do. They talk as you talk because I feel of them thinking in your language. I sadly do not of being able to do so.

Russ: you do get your point across in all......

Skip: well I'll tell you what, you do a hell of a job.

Treebeard: I am of honored.

Skip: you really do.

Treebeard: you have many words that I use I know of incorrect but structures of your language is difficult when dealing with many different forms of adjectives, nouns, past tense, pro-tense, fore-tense, past, present, future, it all becomes of very confusing.

Skip: yeah it would, yeah it would, we've got a very complicated language.

Treebeard: I am thinking much of it being so.

Skip: we really do.

Treebeard: okay, anymore of....yes?

Skip: no.

Russ: no.

Skip: I think that covers it for this evening.

Treebeard: I thought I pick up on one more question?

Russ: no.

Treebeard: okay.

Skip: no, thank you Treebeard.

Russ: thank you Treebeard.

Treebeard: you are welcome. Roots and twigs may grow.

(Kiri is back to stay and talk for a while)

Skip: yes?

Russ: hi dear.

Kiri: yo, okay uh-huh?

Russ: was your ability to work with the English language helpful because yourself and Karra are both twin souls to guys like us?

Kiri: you guys are twin souls, I'm triple soul. Yes I think it does help.

Russ: because yeah, you can patch into our thoughts.

Kiri: uh-huh..

Russ: like Karra can patch into mine and kind of grasp the language through me.

Skip: yeah, that makes it a lot easier.

Kiri: yes whereas Treebeard doesn't have that advantage unfortunately and the fact that he is very much set in his ways.

Skip: yeah well, you've got to give him credit, he still does one heckuva job.

Kiri: uh-huh. I mean if I ever reach his age and I'm as knowledgeable as he is or my grandmother, I would be very happy and honored.

Russ: what is scary is me trying to learn a new language at my age.

Skip: yeah really, me too, me too.

Kiri: I think that's part of his ability is to be able to learn new things all the time, nothing stays stagnant and the fact that he has the ability to do the very deep dwelling so therefore he can dwell on learning a language very well. It took me quite a while to learn your language and then poor Tia, they had to pipe it in to her because the vowels and the inflections aren't there as they are in her language. And if you listen to her she will raise her voice and make interesting little sounds that she's talking in English. She will finish sometimes on a higher note than she starts or she will drop down low as she's talking and that is because she's putting inflections in the words. Okay moving along, you're going to love this one Skip, competitive rivalry. My sister and myself have a competitive rivalry that is useful that we work together a team but yet we're competitive and we're constantly trying to do better than each other but we know when it is necessary to pull together as a team. I know of an example of two individuals that are very good friends, almost brothers, that constantly try to outdo each other at every point possible. Now we've discussed this in the past and we've talked about the necessary teamwork that will be necessary in the future to work as a cohesive team and the benefits that this can reap by working together. The competitive rivalry is certainly useful. We know that one person is a far superior hardware and software technician but we know that another one is a far better picture and graphic artist. Now these two things are compatible, they can be worked together and the needs of a graphic artist is very different from a game player or a programmer are they not?

Russ: oh yeah absolutely, very much so.

Kiri: so you're talking that one individual is moving into a more specialized area that the other individual where the twin CPUs are very useful whereas for you it is not so important.

Russ: no, I would need a server to need that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: The other thing, well he's not going to get twin CPUs.

Kiri: the other individual's not getting twin CPUs? Okay.

Russ: no but the point is we do have Windows 2000 coming out which is a combination of Windows 98 and Windows NT. So the twin CPUs at that point as with the next generation chips that the Athlon will be quite necessary at that point because the new operating systems will benefit from either the dual CPUs or the new front side bus.

Kiri: or even the quad CPUs that some of the more serious studios are using.

Skip: I'm sure glad I'm not involved in this, the only competition I've got is myself.

Russ: I hear.

Skip: really.

Kiri: but now, if you're get into using quad CPUs, then you are getting into a totally different form of engineering and technology that you'll be using accelerating processors that it is necessary to keep at a constant, steady temperature. Now to overcome this we come back to the design on space. At this point space becomes a very important premium because of the setup of the quad CPUs so therefore you have to minimize the storage capabilities into a much more usable form and you get into a specialized kind of hard drive.

Russ: well isn't this where we come back to what you were talking about last week with the super cooled CPU?

Kiri: uh-huh but this is a little step over from the super cooled CPU. We're talking about the storage capacity. When you have the capacities getting bigger......

Russ: well 50 gigs.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now there is a way around the gig problem because as they get bigger, they have to spin faster and they store more information, again you are running into what factor?

Skip: heat.

Kiri: so there is a way around that. Certainly the hard drive becomes a little bit more difficult but there are two very distinct ways of doing it. You make the hard drive thicker and you do what? You stack one disc on top of another.

Skip: you start stacking them.

Kiri: uh-huh, or you go a totally different way and use holographic memory storage or virtual memory.

Russ: that would be buggy.

Skip: virtual memory.

Russ: that would be real buggy right now.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: boy the technology hadn't caught up with that yet.

Russ: well we've got the thousand megahertz CPU coming out right now which is incredible.

Skip: yeah it would be.

Kiri: and it's an ugly looking thing with heat sinks and fans.

Skip: but let me ask a question.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: is there any limit to this?

Russ: no.

Kiri: no.

Russ: look what they've got up there? We can't even touch it.

Skip: I wasn't thinking about what they have, I was thinking about our advances in technology.

Russ: I think we're really going their direction but at the same time so are they. And so, computers on Hades Base are going I'm sure at the same speed we are as far as progression.

Kiri: oh we're going hell for leather, we're always constantly working on things.

Russ: sure.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: we use, we have little cubes that we use that we can literally pick up and pull out and that's storage and that holds, I don't know how many millions of or trillions of gigs of memory. Little tiny cube.

Russ: we're at 50. (laughs)

Kiri: and my laptop that I carry around, it's only about yea thick and about yea big....stands about yea big, it has the equivalent and I guesstimate to probably, the CPU's probably about a million or even higher? The RAM is probably about maybe 500,000, as I said I'm guesstimating, 500,000 gigs. It has a solid-state generator, it has a projection scanner, you name it, it has it and I need it.

Russ: what do you hook up to the net with on it? A T-1 connection?

Kiri: T-1? That's slow. What is it? A T-3 is faster isn't it?

Russ: multiple T-3's are really fast. That's if you are maxed out at multiple T-3's right now.

Kiri: uh-huh but that's irrelevant to us.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: we get instant access, instead of the waiting I can type in, and if I use a uplink that's connected to the sixth dimension, news from Sirius. Real-time communication with Sirius instead of the distance of 6 1/2 light years, real instant communication, real-time talk.

Russ: yeah that's way beyond our capabilities.

Kiri: and that's not done by using regular transmission, that's by using the gap in between the dimensions and stuff.

Russ: we can talk across the world now in instant real-time but we can't talk across space in real time yet.

Kiri: no, you are transmitting directly with a normal transmissional signal.....




 (Omal is the next speaker)

Omal: brings up something that......greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings and felicitations Omal.

Skip: greetings Omal, I appreciate it.

Omal: greetings Skip, greetings Russ. Okay it actually brings up a interesting possible discussion in explanation of any topic. The easiest way to understand and to improve your level and learn something new is to explain something to somebody that does not understand to the point where they do understand. By breaking it down and breaking it down and breaking it down so that it becomes easily understandable for them, you in turn are learning something and in learning something, you learn something not only about teaching or about the individual you are trying to teach but about yourself. You learn the necessary patient skills necessary to be able to advance to a higher level where it is necessary to be patient. As a teacher, it is very useful to be able to speak in a way that is easily understandable, not rapidly. How often do you see us up here with the exception of maybe our resident 8th/6th dimensional individual (Leonedies) that thinks on a totally different speed pattern and has not yet learned to slow down his thought processes to a level where it is acceptable to you but as a rule, none of us talk particularly fast. That is because if we were to talk in our normal modes, it would be difficult to understand and the words that are of multiple meanings could be easily misconstrued in a different way. So is very important when explaining something, is to break it down into easy understandable terms. And as I stated, you learn and the person you are trying to teach learns. This is very useful for you Russ, not with your computer individuals but with your domestic situation.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: that being able to break down and break down is something that is very important to being able to teach and to learn. Whether an individual totally comprehends depends on how far you break it down and to break it down to the barest essence is something that is very useful. When you break it from a advanced step down to a very basic level of understanding, it gives you the opportunity to learn even more about the subject that you are discussing. One of the problems that I perceive in many of your teachers is that when they are explaining, they assume automatically that you understand what they are talking about.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: which is in actual fact itself a mistake because there are various different jargons used by various individuals in respectable fields that they assume automatically that you understand. Now for example, getting on to a little bit of a continuing running joke between Skip and Kiri, if Kiri was to explain in English how to construct the warp core, the jargon that she would be using would be totally incomprehensible to you and to anybody but a highly trained spatial engineer. So therefore she would have to break it down into its barest essence instead of using jargon words that is a concept and an explanation, she would have to break it down even further and then probably further again down to a level that would be understandable for not only Skip, but for those on the webpage and of course that is a no-no.

Skip: yeah, right.

Russ: it could never see the light of day.

Omal: that is correct however, my comments that I am making in explaining the warp core and the ongoing joke and the explanation are very acceptable for your web. So as a learning tool, it is necessary to be able to break down to a very easy level. Now Skip, you are also in the same situation but on a slightly different setup than Russ is in his domestic arrangements. You have a young man that is a very potentially bright individual that has difficulty when jargon is used but is very inquisitive and has the potential intelligence there to become very advanced and capable although his motivation from what I've witnessed is to use one of your terms, "needed a swift kick in the behind?"

Skip: no, not really. He's fine, he's fine, he's just a typical young man.

Omal: okay I misconstrued what you implied.

Skip: no that's quite all right, no, no, no. He's a typical teenage boy, he's in a very difficult situation in life right now which is whether do you play with the toys or you chase the girls.

Omal: that has been a long time for me.

Skip: (laughs) probably has been and it's been a long time ago for me but I still remember.

Omal: it has been.......nevermind.

(everyone laughs)

Omal: in the same situation that you have the potential to take this young man and even though he plays with the toys and chases the young ladies he still has the potential there to become very successful.

Skip: uh-huh, I'm trying to help him with that.

Omal: yes, very much so. I have watched when he has been present here on the way that he interacts and the way that you get him to do the thought processes. But in explaining, if you break it down to him as I suggested with Russ to the simplest forms until he can repeat it back to you and say "yes I understand, I grasp that."

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Omal: and if he says, "you're treating me like a child", explain to him saying, "I want you to totally understand it and I'm not going to assume because there is no crime in asking the question. If you ask the same question a hundred times, it means that you do not understand so it is necessary to explain it  in more detail so you do understand. It is not meant as a insult but it is meant as a tool to help both you and myself." Okay now having spoken my piece on education and the tools and needs to be able to explain to the most simplest form, let us open the floor.

Russ: okay. In working with Daniel, my Daniel and when he gets to be that point where he's asking questions and needing to get answers and I know that's going to happen, learning the patience to deal with that is important but at the same time, he is growing up so fast won't he want to learn as quick as he can?

Skip: can I intercede here?

Omal: yes certainly, I was about to say, I think you know the answer to that.

Skip: okay, I've raised quite a few children, not all my own okay? I found that when a little person and I don't care if they're this tall or this tall ask a question, give them a direct answer as simple as possible and don't go into any detail. And that seems to work better than anything else. If they want to know details, they'll come back and ask you.

Omal: exactly, exactly. I was going to say something a little bit more pompous and long-winded.

(everyone laughs)

Skip: sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Omal: no, you've simplified what I was going to say tremendously.

Skip: okay but it seems to work better than anything I've run across. They ask you, "well how come I'm different than a girl?" "Well because your plumbing's built on the outside and her plumbing's built on the inside" and let it go.

Omal: you do not elaborate.

Skip: that's it, don't explain any further. When they want to know further they'll come ask you.

Russ: that's handy information, that's a good little tip.

Skip: that's it.

Omal: as I said, I would've put it much more long-winded and more pompous.

Skip: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Omal: no, you've just given the ideal explanation to my comments on education, you simplified it.

Skip: right, simplify it as far as you can and don't elaborate, don't elaborate. Now when they get into their teens, they'll ask you a question, you give them an answer and they'll say, "well why is this?", then you start elaborating. But you're starting out with the simplest possible answer you can give them.

Russ: makes sense.

Skip: okay? And you still give them the simplest possible answer you can.

Russ: see I don't remember my growing up years and what I asked or how I got answered or anything.

Skip: oh I can.

Omal: now to add on to what Skip was saying is to simplify it and if they want to know more they will ask more and they will continue to ask and as they ask, you elaborate more but leave it always open for the question to follow. I remember, oh a long time ago when I was not much older than Skip, this is a very hazy memory and it's possibly a memory of a memory. I remember asking repeatedly why, why is that so? Why as an individual does that happen? Why is the difference between a group consciousness and an individual consciousness so radically different? Certainly the words and the questions were much longer but they were always prefaced admittedly in my own language, why, how, how is that so, why is that so? And in asking those questions, I learned. Also my teachers aided me in those learning, they always left the answers open for the following question, how, why and so on? So that it is always set up in a way. Now a teacher is different than an individual that is showing and explaining. A teacher is an individual that explains in detail but always leaves the question open of why, what comes next? What is the next step in this? Why is that so? How is that done? Why is that necessary? What if we do it this way? No it doesn't work that way because it is set up in a factor that is equal to the proportion that is necessary for the advancement. Well why is that so? So therefore the setup is always to answer the next question or to set up the next question. And a teacher will setup in such a way that they know the next question that is going to be asked and they know the answer that they will give and they set it up so that they leave it open for the following question. When you ask one question for example, why does the fingers work in the way that they do? Well the explanation is that the muscles as you contract on one side tighten on the other side so the finger pulls. But why does that work that way? Well it works that way because the electrical impulses are generated from the mind to the nerves and the tissues and the tendons and so on.

Skip: now there's one thing you're going to find as your son grows and it's going to drive you crazy, think about it every time he says it. "Why does it do this, why does it do that?" Why, why, why, why? And it's a constant question.

Omal: Russ can you make me a promise?

Russ: uh-hmm.

Omal: never say the words when asked the question why, because.

Russ: just the word because?

Skip: yeah.

Omal: because.

Skip: because, that's not an answer.

Omal: that is not an answer.

Russ: I'd be happy to make that promise.

Omal: okay.

Skip: you will come up to that point sometimes because you're....okay, let me take it from my own experience.

Omal: please do so.

Skip: you get impatient because you're trying to accomplish something and the little person comes up and says, "why daddy?" "Why what?" "Why are you doing that?" And the first thing that comes to your mind, "because", back to your work. Remember that.

Russ: oh I will, I can promise.

Skip: yeah, yeah remember that because it happens, it's a normal human reaction. Now you don't want to be bothered and yet you don't want to put the child off.

Omal: okay now the punishment is my standard punishment.

(everyone laughs)

Omal: if Karra tells me that you have said those words....

Russ: and she will.

Omal: because, and she will, you will do 100.

Skip: ohhhh, ouch.

Russ: frick, well.......

Omal: if I hear it a second time.....

Russ: he's going to get the full explanation anyway, I just want to make sure he learns.

Skip: but you understand where I'm coming from?

Russ: yeah.

Skip: this happens because mentally you're involved in something and this little person comes up and says, "why does this work this way daddy?" Now it's completely irrelevant to what you're doing.

Russ: yeah I've said it before to the kids in the shop, I know.

Skip: yeah it is completely irrelevant to what you're......

Russ: because it does.

Omal: now it's not going to be double to 200, it's good be multiples of.....the first offense is 100. The second is 1,000.

Skip: ouch.

Omal: oh yes, but this is important because you are shaping an individual's mind.

Russ: oh yeah.

Omal: you are shaping not only your future but your species' future.

Russ: that's a rather large statement.

Omal: an individual is a part of the species.

Russ: right yeah......

Omal: to shape an individual, shapes the species even in a minute, imperceptible amount. It gets back to the analogy of the butterfly and the typhoon.

Skip: sometimes it's very, very difficult, very difficult to try to pull yourself away from what you're doing to answer questions the little people ask.

Omal: okay here is a comment. If everybody in the Chinese Republic was to stand on a chair and jump off at the exact same time, they would cause a tidal wave which would sink Hawaii.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: wow.

Omal: it is a humorous comment, it is also inaccurate.

Russ: oh.

Omal: it was meant to produce a laugh reaction.

Russ: oh, I thought it was a factual statement.

Omal: no.

Russ: I thought, they really did the research on that one, I'll tell you.

Skip: but China holds a quarter of the world population too, 25% of the world's population.

Omal: yes, it was a very poor attempt at your humor.

Skip: that's okay, we'll let it go.

Omal: maybe to some of our less experienced individuals I may do so. Okay, thank you very much.

Skip: thank you Omal.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: I can still do it, (holds up he Vulcan greeting) live long and prosper.

Skip: you have a good one.

 (Kiri jumps back in)

Skip: but children do get kind of irritating sometimes, they really do.

Russ: well I've got Karra to help me on that one.

Skip: good.

Russ: as Kiri......

Kiri: (blows a raspberry)

Skip: don't hide.

Russ: practices with her children all the time.

Skip: don't hide.

Russ: they always ask you, "why mommy?".

Kiri: yes they do.

Skip: yeah they do.

Kiri: "why mommy?" Well, it works this way"......and I found a way around it, because it.....and then I explain. It works this way because. So you're still getting away with because but not just because.

Skip: yeah, not just a solo word.

Kiri: uh-humm.

Skip: how you doing sweetie?

Kiri: I'm doing good. Okay, I'm going to put the next speaker on.

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay, go ahead darling.

Kiri: as we had a rather long chat there, about how much time do we have left?

Russ: we are currently at 30 minutes.

Kiri: 30 minutes left? Good, we can squeeze two more in hopefully.

Skip: yeah.


(Karra makes her entrance)

Skip: yes it's quite nerve-racking sometimes Russ, it really is.

Russ: I'm going to find out.

Skip: oh yeah well......

Karra: hello.

Skip: hi sweetie.

Karra: hey.

Russ: nerve-racking is it?

Skip: forewarned is forearmed believe me.

Karra: and being requested by the base commander is putting me in a little awkward spot right now.

(everyone laughs)

Russ: I didn't do it okay? I just brought it up.

Karra: I know but it is something that Omal apparently feels very strongly about.

Russ: oh I can tell, he's taking this a couple steps further than he has ever taken anything.

Skip: yes, yes he is.

Karra: yes, the words promise me.

Russ: yes, I've never heard that exited his mouth before.

Skip: no, I've never heard it.

Russ: so this is one I'm taking seriously big time.

Karra: yes I don't know why, but Omal has very strong feelings on something like that in making those words.

Russ: well I'm the last one to go against him.

Skip: well you stop and figure out something, you stop and figure out something. Our children, whether it's yours or mine or Russ', our children are our future.

Omal: oh yes.

Skip: and if we don't teach them right as they're growing up, where's our future going?

Karra: in the toilet.

Skip: you got it babe, you got it.

Karra: it's throughout even Sirian history, there are events in history where children have been neglected and unfortunately, it's been always very bad for the species. For our species for your species because in our old age before rejuvenation capability much as on your planet, if you don't treat your children well, they have no respect for you and in old age what does that mean? Ahhh, stick them in a home.

Skip: well that's happening right here in this world now.

Russ: oh yeah absolutely.

Russ: I mean now because the parents.....okay in my generation, I was taught to respect your elders and have consideration for all people. As the generations have been born since me, the generation now are getting to the point of "hey live for yourself, the hell with everybody else."

Karra: which is very wrong.

Skip: and it's wrong.

Russ: oh yeah absolutely.

Skip: it's wrong, you have to have consideration for all life including your elders and your peers.

Karra: yeah it's something to do with the mental processes of the individual that when they get to the point where they say "to hell with everybody else", they really don't care about themselves either.

Skip: that's correct. If you have no respect for yourself, you can't respect anybody else. Here's another thing Russ, do you like you?

Russ: I love me.

Skip: there you go, if you love you then you love other people.

Russ: oh absolutely, no questions asked.

Skip: okay and I'm the same way. I love me so consequently, I love all the people I come in contact with and the people I don't come in contact with.

Karra: speaking as a healer, the hardest thing that I find to understand about your species is that, I know that we've discussed this in the past, is where people go, "I don't like the way that I look, I need my nose smaller, I need my breasts made bigger, I need my tummy tucked, I need this done, I need that done". They don't like themselves most of them, they're not happy as they are and they will never be happy with what they've got.

Skip: that's correct because even if they change what they want to change, they were still will not be happy with themselves.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay, my comment to these people and to a lot of people is, God never made any junk.

Karra: that's correct. There are certain cases where if there is a malfunction in the configuration of the nose and thank you Russ, you got me thinking in computer talk, you obviously have to fix the nose.

Skip: that's correct.

Karra: so then that is not cosmetic.

Skip: it's a physical malfunction and you can fix a physical malfunction.......

Karra: that's correct.

Skip: and once you get that fixed and it gets squared away then still, God never made no junk.

Karra: that's correct. But if a malfunction or a deformity happens, then it is part of nature.

Skip: that can be repaired

Karra: that is correct.

Skip: now, can I tell you a story?

Karra: yes certainly.

Skip: okay there was a story about a young prince, he had a deformed body, he had a statue carved of himself standing tall and straight and he placed it in the garden of the castle. Every day he seen that statue, every day he stretched to become that. Eventually he became that straight, tall young prince and overcame his deformities through his mental and spiritual being and everybody can do this.

Russ: yeah, it's within the concepts of everyone's creative ability.

Skip: anybody can do this. It's like this young lady has said, we're healers but we're only jump starters. We can jump start anybody to realize that they can heal themselves.

Karra: now there is a story, very similar on Sirius of Tonar the Corrupt and the statute he had made of himself that was perfect in every detail down to the fact of the pimple on his nose. And when the pimple was pointed out, he goes, "I don't have a pimple, remove that pimple from my statue." So they did and the nose fell off.

Russ: wow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay here's another story I read just here not too long ago. A young gentleman was very vain about his hair and he lost it all. He had transplants from his chest which the hair still fell out of his head. He went through all the different aspects and advertisements they got about growing hair and this, that and whatever and all this time he was under the care of a physician. This doctor told him, he says, "well, we have got a new process and it's radiation." He says, "it's very, very experimental and very dangerous but if you'll give your permission", he says, "I'll try it on you and see if it will grow your hair". The gentleman said, "yes". The doctor took him into an x-ray room, darkened it down like they normally do for x-rays, turned on the machines so they hummed and buzzed, never done a thing to the gentleman. He said okay, he says, "now within two weeks your hair will start growing". He says, "in a year's time you'll have a full head of hair". In six weeks the gentleman sent the doctor a picture and he had a full head of hair because he was mentally convinced that this treatment that he got would grow his hair back. So mentally and physically and spiritually he grew his own hair back. The doctor was a jump starter.

Karra: correct, anyway I'm being informed by my punk of a sister that I better move on as we have one more speaker.

Russ: all right.

Skip: okay go ahead.

Russ: thank you sweetheart.

Karra: okay.

Skip: thanks.

Karra: that was 15 minutes?

Russ: on the money.

Skip: thank you darling.

Karra: you're welcome.

 (Kiri is back quickly)

Skip: we've been getting into some pretty heavy conversations you know that Russ?

Russ: good, we won't be having any for a couple of weeks.

Skip: I know.

Kiri: okay, next speaker.

Skip: hi sweetie, bye sweetie.

(Tia joins the chat)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: (says hi in Durondudunn)

Skip: hi babe.

Tia: (says more in Durondudunn)

Tia: okay now down to business, okay that's better. Okay let us look at the activities in your markets. His nose doesn't fit right for the glasses to do that with. Okay now, some very interesting things are going on in the market right now in the U.S. market and the European markets and the Asian markets. The Asian markets are recovering from of course the Asian flu. And they are showing signs of starting to grow and starting to expand whereas the US market seems to be fluctuating up and down, up and down. It's been up to 11 and 300 and today I think it's down to about ten forty?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: ten four hundred sorry. So therefore it seems like your U.S. market is in a very wobbly state. It is fluctuating up and down, up and down, up and down. We are now seeing a increase in the, what's the word? Increase in the interest rates which is an action to slow down the economy. Now the question is, why would an economy that seems to be developing need to be slowed down? Well it is our belief that the market is starting to be out of control and that the inflationary actions which is creating this problem is the reason why it's out of control. That the market has grown out of control and the prices are getting expensive so therefore it's starting to inflate which is not a good action to happen. Now to say that this is related to the Asian flu may be incorrect, this could be the American flu. Now what happens from here is a little uncertain in the outcome. The outcome is three possible outcomes. One is it stabilizes and starts to grow on a steady rate. Two, it slows right down and reverses itself. Three, it continues at these wild oscillations which it has done in the past but the interest rate hasn't been increased until now. Okay now, what comes from each of those scenarios? Well if it continues to grow steadily and to advance steadily and slowly in control, then you have a growth period which is useful as a respite for the advancements and preparations for anything that may come up ahead. If it suddenly plummets and goes totally into a spiral and crashes, then you are in a situation that we have discussed many times. If it continues on the third option of these wild oscillations, then again you are in a respite from the possible spiral downwards which is of course a negative effect. So the two possible outcomes at the moment are the most likely. We've been watching them very carefully and either of the two, the wild oscillations but stable but with very wild oscillations and the continued slow growth. Both of those options are very possible at the moment. However, the third option of a sudden plunge is possible but not as highly. There may be a plunge of up to 500 points where the market actually stops trading. It may happen a couple days in a row and many, many thousands of dollars are lost. But they're not lost. Not unless you're a fresh investor that is invested within that thousand frame. Let's say below it drops before 9,000. If you invested after it went over the 10,000 then you've lost but if you were smart and invested 10 years ago when it was down about 3,000 or even maybe a little bit higher I think it was about 4,000 back then, then you haven't lost one green cent. You want to know why? The only thing you've lost is a 1,000 points of profit. Big deal. Out of 6,000 points of profit, you've lost a 1,000, you haven't even touched the initial investment. So when people start talking about that they been in the market for 10 years, 20 years and they suddenly lose a 1,000, 2,000, 10,000, ask them how much of their original investment they've lost. And if they tell you that they've lost their original investment then they've really messed up. But if they go "well my original investment was 10,000, I was at 200,000 have lost 1,000," they haven't lost a thing.

Skip: no, they've still gained.

Tia: they've still gained but it's a common misconception that I've noted recently in analyzing your markets that people talk that they've lost 10,000, 20,000, they haven't lost a penny, they've just lost the profit. And this could be part of the problem that they're perceiving that the money that they're losing is actually theirs when it's not. It's profit they have not made yet because they have not sold their stocks, they've just lost the value of what they had on the profit, the profit margin is decreased. Okay do we have any questions on that?

Russ: no I don't.

Skip: no uh-huh because it's just like going to a casino.

Tia: okay now, this afternoon in the city of Moscow there was a bomb blast. One person killed, 33 individuals injured. There is an election about to occur in Russia. There is also action going on in Dagestan in the former Soviet Republic of Dagestan, there is a military action going on. At this time it has been speculated that it is either a politically motivated bomb blast, religiously motivated bomb blast or a gang related bomb blast. This occurred in a shopping mall, underground shopping mall, not a illegal shopping mall but an underground shopping mall, literally underground. It is something that is being investigated by the former KGB under its new name. There is definite instability occurring in Russia at this time. The action in Dagestan is winding down. There appears to be fewer people involved in the fighting, a lot of them have returned to Chechnya which is where they came from originally. Again that is a religiously, motivated hostile action, it is not a war, it is terrorist actions. No formal declaration of war has been declared yet, they are rebels. Okay, let us look at East Timor at the moment. There appears to be an election going on there, there is certainly very edgy and hostile actions happening but the election appears to be legal at this time. I'm bringing up these matters to counterbalance each other on what is going on in the world. Also there is investigations going on into supposed quote, unquote war crimes in Kosovo. Again this is under investigation. Whether or not these individuals that supposedly committed these war crimes actually did and these war crimes were not exacerbated by the action of NATO which if you will remember when these actions were going on it was stated that these actions may actually aid the ethnic cleaning or create it to be accelerated is something that's still open to debate. Okay, do we have any questions?

Skip: uh-uh.

Russ: I do. It seems almost that the Russian part of the statements that with the election coming up now and the major election coming up in December, people are wondering about I think worrying about the winter........

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the upcoming winter and the financial state of Russia right now while it's still sunny and warm and it could be the edginess that is getting to the people is being responded to I think by these bomb blasts.

Tia: it is possible but there is no evidence at this time on who.....there is evidence that it is politically motivated. As yet I'm not getting a full report on who is making the claims.

Russ: strange isn't it? According to that, right after a bomb blast......normally in our country.....

Skip: well that's in our country but over there, a lot of people never cop to it. You know what I'm saying right?

Tia: I'm getting a relay at the moment. They have individuals or somebody is making a claim that they are responsible and there's also been another one but they're not releasing the information yet on who's made the claims because they need to confirm whether or not it is this particular organization or this organization is band standing.

Russ: good timing though.

Tia: I happen to be wearing my ear set tonight.

Russ: excellent, good call.

Tia: uh-huh. So even as......I'm getting information on world events and stuff.

Skip: it could be any way of three ways. it could be political, it could be religious or could be just unrest.

Tia: territorial disputes between rival gangs. I can't confirm any of those comments as they haven't released that information but they do have a possible lead on a group that is responsible.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: definitely a place to watch for this coming winter though.

Tia: uh-huh, okay any questions?

Russ: huh-huh.

Skip: no I don't think so darling.

Tia: okay because I'm getting distracted by the feed that I'm getting at the moment.

Russ: well there is only couple minutes left anyway on the tape.

Tia: okay.

(says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Skip: okay darling thank you.

 (Kiri finishes up for the night)

Kiri: I thought that was funny.

Russ: yeah that was pretty good.

(Skip laughs)

Kiri: hold on, I'm getting a report right now and yes it...owww.. Yes, yes we have confirmation that there confirmation at this time.

Russ: reminds me of newscasters.

Skip: yeah right.

Russ: wait a minute, report coming in.

Skip: yeah right.

Kiri: she keeps herself very well informed. It's actually a house rule that she doesn't wear her headset unless there is something important going on.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Kiri: so she circumnavigated it....



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