SIDE ONE
(Tia gets the
channeling session started)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Tia: hey, how’s it going?
Laura: hi.
Tia: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, heeeyyy, hey. Okay, I’m here.
Skip: we’re here.
Tia: good, good, good, good, good,
good. Okay where do we start, where do we start?
Why don’t we throw the floor open and ask
questions.....well?
Skip: you want to ask about that?
Laura: yeah, I wanted to know about
Y2K......
Tia: uh-huh.
Laura: like how should we prepare for
it in the best way?
Tia: okay, the way that I see it in
your location, there won’t be too much of a
problem however there’s going to be more of a
financial thing and it will be rectified fairly
quickly because it involves vast quantities of
fiscal flow. The countries that should be
concerned are the ones that are less
well-developed, fortunately they’re not as reliant
upon computers as your current location. The
economic powers, most of them are pretty much
prepared however some of the other countries that
are involved that aren’t as prepared may cause
problems that won’t be noticeable at first. It
will be more of a cascade effect but it may be
handy to have a couple days supply of water
kicking around, a couple days of heating
equipment, eating materials just to be on the safe
side. You don’t want to take it to the extreme of
having three months of food supplies stockpiled. I
don't see it being much of a problem for you guys
but for other people in locations that are reliant
on computers but aren’t as technologically
advanced, it could be a definite problem. There
are businesses out there which have programs that
are very expensive to upgrade to be KY2 compatible
and those businesses will suffer. It will be more
along the lines of a cascade effect or
trickle-down effect where businesses and countries
that don’t have the wherewithal to be able to
upgrade as rapidly may have the problems. A lot of
businesses are already KY2 compatible, a lot of
government agencies do present a little bit of a
problem. The military has its problems but I
wouldn’t be too concerned about that……..that’s
better. Also civil aviation may have its problems
as they’re still working with equipment that was
put in in the '70’s but again they’re trying to
upgrade as much as possible. It is a major
undertaking and it does bear watching but it’s not
going to be as big a problem as people thought it
might be unless you are in less well-developed
countries.
Skip: question darling…...
Tia: uh-huh?
Skip: the only thing that concerns me
and I’m sure it concerns a lot of people is the
electrical upgrade on the systems. They’ve
predicted rolling brownouts and blackouts all the
way across the country.
Tia: that is possible, again it
depends on whether or not the software is
upgraded. There's a common misconception going
around and this is going to get a groan from the
computer people of the world that hardware is not
compatible. That is an erroneous assumption, it's
the software that is the problem. It is quite
possible that there may be brownouts, there may
even be blackouts but not on the scale that people
are predicting.
Skip: okay.
Tia: it will be in urban areas where
there is a need for upgrade as it were.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: and those areas are working to
upgrade as fast as they can.
Skip: yeah, there was a special on our
television the other night about Social Security
bureau’s upgraded their systems.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Skip: but the people that write the
checks for the Social Security recipients are not
upgraded so we might not get our checks for a
while after the first of the year.
Tia: it may be a few weeks to a month
but as I said, if you’ve got supplies standing by
you can always use them in the period whilst
you’re waiting for your fiscal income.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh. I was just kind
of curious because I was figuring on stockpiling
at least a month.
Tia: if you want to it might be handy
to have it just to be on the safe side for other
problems.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: I mean you never know when
something’s going to happen that you may need that
month’s supply.
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: besides, it makes it unnecessary
to go down to your…..what you call them?
Stores......your shops….
Skip: uh-huh.
Tia: to buy food if you’ve got some
already stockpiled. Yeah for example, if there was
a major earthquake and the roads were cut……..
Skip: yeah or if we come to a
revolution.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah uh-huh.
Skip: yeah.
Laura: so in another words, it’s not
going to be like a major world disaster like some
have predicted it is.
Tia: in some locations it will be,
other locations it won’t be. I see that in the
more technologically advanced areas it would not
be.
Laura: so for instance, Germany,
France, all those, they won’t be as affected will
they?
Tia: no, no but the countries around
them, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland might be.
Laura: yeah.
Skip: because they’re not as
technically advanced as we are.
Laura: what about Russia?
Tia: Russia, oh Russia
yes......Russia, we can open a whole can of worms
there and go on about that for a long period of
time, long period of time. Russia has its unique
problems where it has the upgrades are already in
place and in some cases it was unnecessary because
the thinkers earlier were already aware of the
situation and 10 or 15 years ago planned
accordingly. There are other problems where
they’re working with two sets of software
side-by-side in different computer languages and
they’ve integrated them however one set is
compatible with KY2 or K2Y or whatever you guys
want to call it……year 2000
problem………and the other set of software is not so
you have an interface problem that is going to
cause the difficulty of the communication between
the two systems and that’s where a problem can
occur.
Skip: uh-huh.
Laura: uh-huh, what about the defense
system?
Tia: defense system? Again they have
those problems but the former Soviet Union,
Russia, all those areas are not as evolved so that
they will have the problems there. But the
problems that I see concerning directly your
immediate existence is not that big but for those
countries such as the former Soviet Union, all
that area does present some problems especially in
the capability of its military. Especially with
some of these systems that they use as I stated
that work on different languages that are
interfaced where one set of software has
compatibility and the other set of software
doesn’t.
Laura: uh-huh.
Tia: and one's reliant on the other
and so on.
Laura: okay.
Tia: Mir
is a prime example of that where you have three,
no two different sets of software and one set of
software is compatible and the other set isn’t,
you have problems.
Laura: so what are your predictions
about the Kosovo
deal right now?
Tia: oh the Kosovo deal, the bane of
my existence at the moment. Well, it’s a very,
very tricky situation, one that bears watching.
Okay, they are going into a new phase of
readiness……..okay let’s start off with some
history, a little history lesson. In that area you
have many different ethnic groups which everybody
is aware of. You have the Croats, you have the
Serbians, you have the Muslims, you have the
Christians, you have all these different religious
ethnic groups. The Albanians, the ethnic
Macedonians……oh Macedonia is an interesting place.
Quick historical question that is open, name one
of the most famous military leaders in the last
3,000 years.....give you a clue, he’s a Macedonian
and I’ll rule out a few people for you. Napoleon,
Peter, Catherine the great, Peter the Great.
Russ: Alexander the great.
Tia: that’s correct, he’s a
Macedonian, they’re a very warlike people.
Macedonians are sitting patiently on the sideline
watching. The problem is that nobody has been able
to defeat the Yugoslavs. They’ve invaded them,
they’ve had armies stationed there, Suleiman
the Magnificent attacked there and conquered
parts of it but was not able to hold it. Adolf
Hitler sent in 10 divisions or a quarter of a
million men to pacify the area. Uh-uh, failed.
These are just two individuals that have tried to
pacify that area in the last 600 years.
Russ: World War I started there.
Tia: correct, in Sarajevo. It is a
very volatile place. When they had the
assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in I think it
was June or July 1914, that opened up a whole can
of worms and the Austria-Hungarian Empire went to
war with them and Germany sided with them and
France, Russia and Great Britain sided against
them and we all know what happened by the end of
1918. So, with this historical knowledge and each
country that has invaded there was at the height
of its technological advancement, the superpower
of the day. Much like the United States and NATO
is now, the superpower of the day. None of those
superpowers of the day could beat them. Sure, they
could held armies there but there was always
continued guerrilla action. The terrain is so
rugged that it is very hard to get in with
aircraft, military personnel, you can hold an army
up with a few hundred men in the passes there.
Even with modern equipment, they can still be
bottled up by such things as rock slides,
avalanches, timber blocking the road which makes
them very vulnerable. Some of those passes are
very narrow. So you’ve got these
superpowers trying to enforce their ideal of a
moralistic ideal on a country that doesn’t want
it. Certainly, and I will quote, “Slobodan
Milošević is a very nasty dictator, very nasty”. But
the people that are loyal to him are fanatical,
they will fight and do whatever he wants. So, with
NATO being involved and bearing in mind the past
track record of these groups of individuals, the
problems that I see is that the ethnic cleansing
is being accelerated by the attacks, by the air
attacks, the air assaults and the clampdown that
has recently occurred on the press and also the
fact that men of combat age are not being allowed
to leave the country suggests that the country is
mobilizing. A lot of these people are willingly
joining the fight in their ideal of ethnic
cleansing. There is also over a quarter of a
million individuals on the move fleeing from the
fighting and the bombing and so both sides are at
fault of creating a worsening situation. Certainly
Slobodan Milošević’s forces are being blamed for
killing people that are actually being killed in
the bombings by NATO and visa-versa. So the
situation is deteriorating at such a rate and
nobody is learning from past experience. All's you
have to do is look at the history of the area and
you can see what the problems were, what happened,
what’s going to happen with a high probability. My
predictions are that there will be an agreement
reached again much like Saddam Hussein, Slobodan
Milošević will back down temporarily, regroup and
then continue with his expansion. Now the latest
leaning is for Kosovo to become an independent
province. Well, they don’t want that, they will
not agree to that so therefore you get back to the
stalemate and the NATO forces will have to enforce
their will. This cannot be done solely by air
combat, it has to be done with forces on the
ground which opens up a new can of worms. Going
back to some earlier statements about armed forces
going into an area, it becomes difficult for them
to maneuver on the ground because of the terrain.
We can point to supposed situations where NATO has
intervened for example Bosnia where there is now
peace. Well if you do the research, you will find
out that most parties that were involved in that
combat before NATO arrived were actually at a
stalemate and had kind of solidified in a way
where they are now. NATO basically went in and did
nothing apart from run supplies and aid in the
supplies that needed to be shipped because of the
damage done from the fighting. Certainly there
were a few casualties created because of things
left over from the war such as landmines and
antipersonnel mines and Claymores and the
occasional disgruntled individual or groups of
individuals that were more interested in I believe
the term would be booty then doing the actual
fighting, using
terrorist tactics or bandit tactics to continue
their reign of terror so that they have money to
become more affluent. The same situation is
occurring right now in Kosovo, that the Kosovo
liberation front will become more active and be
supplied somewhat hush-hushly by various political
organizations throughout the world that see them
as the opportunity to create their own territory
and to use these individuals as a front for
testing out equipment, seeing what will happen and
making money. I think I’ve gone on quite long
enough. In essence, what will occur is that the
country will attempt to be partitioned, Slobodan
Milošević will agree temporarily, wait until
things quiet down, he’s in good health so he has
plenty of time to wait. And once things have
quieted down and NATO is busy elsewhere, he will
restart his actions and his expansionist plans and
try to take back what was originally his. Now if
we go back in time to Gen.
Tito who basically was a founder of
Yugoslavia or greater Yugoslavia which included
Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia and Yugoslavia and Kosovo
and Macedonia, you will be acutely aware if you
analyze his tactics that he was a very, very harsh
political leader. In fact he was
probably just as harsh as Slobodan Milošević and
to control a country like that you have to be
harsh but not the point of being into the ethnic
cleansing. Gen. Tito or Marshall Tito was not into
that, he was not into ethnic cleansing, he was
into maintaining law and order and control over
the area that he had established. After all
originally he was just a partisan leader. Slobodan
Milošević is a more sophisticated, militaristic,
ethnically leaning individual. Okay, got any
questions?
Skip: no I think you’ve covered it
pretty well.
Laura: yep.
Tia: oh thank you, I try to be
detailed but not boringly detailed but I think I
got a little boring in places. Don’t all disagree.
(chuckles all
around)
Tia: okay
let’s move along and let’s answer some other
extraneous questions.
Skip: no, not for me.
Laura: no.
Tia: okay.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal comes on to
finish out side two)
Omal: greetings, greetings everybody,
greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings Laura.
Russ: hi Omal.
Omal: okay, how’s everything going and
I will address that problem. Okay, the question
was asked by Russ about the stock market reaching
10,000.
(from
an earlier question that had been asked before
the tape started)
Omal: I’m
not a market analyst unfortunately but I will
endeavor to do my best. Okay I think that it was
certainly a significant milestone. It wasn’t the
first time that it’s happened, it’s been over the
10,000 I believe this is the second time. It has
been hovering around that area for some time. It
is definitely a very interesting milestone. With
the information that I have at hand, it would be
possible to speculate that it will continue to
climb over the 10,000 maybe closing over the
10,000 again and sliding back down the following
day as it has done today. It may climb even
higher, how high? As I said, I’m not a market
analyst so it is difficult for me to speculate but
reliable sources say with certain amount of
certainty that it will at some point sooner or
later close two, three or even four hundred points
above 10,000. Again I am not a market analyst and
I am speculating but with a certain amount of
certainty, there is continued growth but it is
slowing. The economic situations that I see may
start to take a turn for the worse towards the end
of the summer, the starting of fall. It would be
worth watching as fall approaches. Everybody talks
about the magic time in October which
traditionally stock market crashes have occurred.
Okay, without getting dry and boring, let us throw
open the floor to discussion and questions and
answers.
Russ: well Tia was talking about the
Yugoslavia…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and one of the things we’ve
talked about before is the practice for the
dimensional shift that’s coming……
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and how there will be financial
problems here and there that will help out our
growth in getting to a higher consciousness
through the adversarial effects of that.
Omal: uh-huh, you have learn’t a new
word have you not?
Russ: one or two (chuckles).
Is what they’re going through in Bosnia and Kosovo
sort of practice for them, kind of their whole
mindset is changing toward that?
Omal: unfortunately their mindset is
not changing, it is a situation as was stated that
is thousands, well hundreds of years old. It is a
situation that has been going on so long that
people have forgotten initially what started the
problems. It was not initially an ethic thing,
more of a tribalistic, religious problem. It has
now got to the point where nobody really remembers
what the initial problems were but it is now to
the point where it is a very ethnic, “my race is
better than your race, your race is lower than
mine, we will treat you accordingly.”
Russ: hmm.
Omal: so for them it is not something
new, it is something that has been going on and
whilst it was under communist rule, it was
downplayed during the early '40’s and late '30’s.
It was again downplayed because of communications
weren’t there as much and then we can see as Tia
pointed out and you stated that in 1914 the first
world war started there but there had
been problems continually there for quite a few
hundred years. If you look at the area, it is a
very harsh and rugged area and if you go back to a
very famous individual that is now a character of
myth and legend, Vladimir
Dracule, you will see if you follow his
history that he was actually fighting the Muslims
and the Turks.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: so it is something that it is in
that area at least five, 600 years old.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: the unfortunate thing with
Dracule is that he is painted now as a devil
worshiper because of his practice of impaling
people. In fact he was a very pious and religious
Christian individual.
Russ: well that’s too bad, you'd think
they would have some good practice now with all
the things that are going on there.
Omal: yes.
Laura: apparently no one's learned a
lesson or else we wouldn't still have wars.
Omal: that is unfortunate but struggle
does serve a very useful purpose. It serves the
purpose of speeding up learning processes.
Certainly war is a very bad thing however from war
some major technological advances have occurred.
For example, computers, the microchip,
microprocessors, capacitors, transistors, medical
developments, jet engines, rocket engines, these
have all come from an accelerated process that
started in 1938 with the various rocketry
organizations, the Goddard’s and the von Braun’s
and all the other individuals that pioneered
rocketry. With the development of rocketry comes a
whole myriad of possible advancements that are now
necessary to accompany the advancement into space.
So to say that warfare is bad is correct but you
also have to look on the positive side of the
technological advancements that come
from that.
Russ: thank you.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: as has been stated in the past
and I believe is a popular catchphrase, good and
evil, you can’t have one without the other.
Skip: yeah.
Laura: when you’re speaking of evil is
really just a transition.
Omal: correct, it is a point of view.
Russ: anyone else before I go on more?
Skip: no uh-uh.
Russ: okay Karra have been discussing
the chakras lately…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and did a little practice with
what she’s been teaching and one of the things I
wanted to work with you on is the crown chakra
because we dealt on that last week…..
Omal: oh yes.
Russ: working into my consciousness a
little bit. She mentioned how between the third and
the sixth dimension the chakra has such a change
of speed and opening…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: how fast it opens and closes.
Well when she mentioned the fact that you could
work on bringing your chakra speed up, in practice
of that I’ve noticed that it does in fact bring
about a certain level of newer consciousness.
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: but I also find that with that
you get rather dizzy.
Omal: yes.
Russ: now what kind of balance does it
take to maintain that speed and yet not get the
dizziness?
Omal: okay you are increasing the
speed of just one chakra correct?
Russ: correct.
Omal: you have to do all chakras.
Laura: in other words stay in balance.
Omal: correct. Does somebody have a
clapper attached that light?
(a bulb in the room
kept going on and off)
Skip: no.
Omal: no, obviously not.
Russ: okay, now bunefits to this….
Omal: bunefits?
Russ: benefits are quite obvious but
now is the speeding up of the crown chakra I guess
along with the others a doorway into higher
consciousness then?
Omal: yes and no, yes and no. It
certainly is a doorway if you learn how to control
it and use it properly. Also if you have the
intelligence and the intellect to be able to
understand what is actually happening. If you
don’t and you accelerate and you have no
comprehension of what you’re doing, it is an
exercise in futility. If you don’t comprehend or
plan accordingly, what are you going to do with
the increase in awareness? Are you going to have the
desire to do anything with that increase in
awareness?
Russ: hmm.
Omal: so it is something that you have
to have the intellect and the intelligent
capability to be able to use it.
Russ: I see, so it’s similar in ways
to meta-concert?
Omal: yes but on a personal level.
Russ: on a personal level, okay.
Omal: it is more tuning your body and
mind. If you remember, it has been discussed in
the past that how can you extend your life if you
don’t have a healthy body and a healthy mind and a
healthy spiritual existence?
Russ: hmmm.
Omal: after all, you can have a
healthy mind that will run for an indefinite
period of time but if the body is not healthy,
then it fails. And you may be conscious and
aware……..
SIDE
ONE ENDS
