FOLLOW-UP- Channeled 12/19/95

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Archivist Notes: This session took place two weeks after the "Meta-Concert Training" session and three weeks after the "Mars Now and Then" session. Omal is able to fill in some of the details about meta-concert he wasn't able to cover in his initial discourse. Before that though, we call Carrie and get an update on her life and how the gang on the Base is keeping a close eye out for her due to a history filled with close encounters. Tia finishes up with a reminder we too are targets for surveillance and abduction due to our relationship with the Base.

TIA Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


3.)(18:39)- Karra explains how they watch out for Carrie when she is driving and remembers incidents of missing time.

4.)31:06)- Kiri follows up on Carrie's missing time and possible abduction.

5.)(35:16)- Carrie recounts her experiences with an evil being to Tia.


2.)(17:23)- Karra talks about how she can't talk about Carrie and reminds me of an upcoming party on Sirius.

3.)(22:34)- Tia discusses our higher odds for our group at the time to be targets for surveilance and abduction.

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Duration: 40.27 min. - File type: mp3
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Duration: 31.45 min. - File type: mp3



(Tia comes on to start the session)

Russ: greetings love........what? Oh.

Tia: yes?

Russ: I left the door open up there for Tonka to get in.

(one of the house cats)

Tia: Tatonka.

Russ: yeah, come wandering in if he wants.

Tia: (speaks some Durondedunn)

Tia: we have an aura on the foot here.

Russ: that would be Calvin eh?

(another one of the house cats)

Tia: uh-huh, a bent aura, or at least the butt's bent.

Russ: so we've got a pyramid to build..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we've got the big guys in.

Tia: big guys?

Russ: Korton and Omal?

Tia: just Omal.

Russ: oh just Omal?

Tia: as far as I know but what do I know?

Russ: yeah well you're the ring mistress, I assume you know everything.

Tia: yes I do know everything.

Russ: what are you doing being the ring mistress.........?

Tia: if I didn't know everything.

Russ: right.

Tia: ask me a question, any question.

Russ: square root of pi?

Tia: not telling you, nahh.

Russ: nahh.

Tia: ask me a question Johnny.

John: define ring mistress and what exactly is your......?

Tia: I coordinate everything, who goes on, who's on first, what's on second, I don't know is on third.

John: okay so you're the coordinator basically?

Tia: that's correct, I control who goes on. I'm also semi-in charge of censoring although the heavies, they do most of the censoring. I'm in charge of who should be at channeling sessions, both up there, over there and down there.

Russ: and how long they take each.

Tia: that's correct. I also keep a very close eye on the amount of time that is used on your recordings.

Russ: how much of Mark's energy is being used.

Tia: correct, so I coordinate everything, it's a big and important job. And considering I'm, how tall am I?

John: well my cheat sheet here says five foot two, strawberry blonde hair.

Tia: that's me.

John: yeah Russ was nice enough to put together a sheet for me.......

Tia: I know.

because I've been having some trouble keeping everyone separated and yeah, he did a real nice job.

Tia: uh-huh and Kiri, who is Kiri's favorite person?

John: well I would venture to say Mark.

Tia: it's Carrie, Carrie the sex toy.

(a private joke between Kiri and Carrie)

John: oh okay, okay yeah. All right, Carrie with a C.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: right okay.

Russ: and since you get to hear from Carrie tonight.......

Tia: yes I know, that's why thought I would bring up her name. Okay, should we put her on?

Russ: I'll make the phone call.

Tia: but in the meantime whilst you make the phone call, Johnny, you got any questions for me?

John: oh let me see. I didn't put together any notes or anything.

Tia: off the top of your head. Oh I do have a herbal remedy for your problem.

John: oh you do?

Tia: yes. You will need fresh garlic crushed, fresh thyme freshly picked............

(the following has been cut out due to a mic problem at the time)

Tia: both lemon thyme and regular thyme. You will need chives, preferably fresh if not, dried will do. You'll also need sage, about three leaves. All ground together and then steeped in hot water. Drink all of it.........and pepper, ground pepper.

John: any particular kind of pepper?

Tia: course ground, black pepper.

John: black pepper okay. I think we've got everything we need here.

Tia: uh-huh. Steeped in hot water, no other flavorings, no tea, no milk just that and Carrie will tell you all that.

John: no lemon or nothing like that?

Tia: no.

John: does Mark know the recipe?

Tia: no I don't think so but it's on the recording, we can go back to the beginning and go over it. So that is.....okay go on, press the buttons.

(Russ dials up Carrie)

Carrie: hello.

Tia: hello sister mind.

Carrie: hi, what's going on?

Tia: oh channeling time and I'm messing with the cat, Calvin.

Carrie: you're messing with Calvin?

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: shame on you.

Tia: well somebody's got to, nobody else is.

Carrie: that's true. Have you ever come down and messed with my kitty?

Tia: from time to time.

Carrie: she is a trip.

Tia: yeah you know when she does that vertical takeoff thingy? Like somebody's walked up behind her and gone pinch on her butt. Guess what?

Carrie: she is a weirdo.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: she does all kinds of stuff Tia.

Tia: yeah you know when she does have vertical takeoff thing? That's when I pinch her on the butt.

Carrie: that's when you pinch her on the butt?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I'll have to watch for that more often.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: she does so many weird things that I don't know.

Tia: well tell me about them.

Carrie: well she's a trip. She is just......I tell you, sometimes I think she is heaven-sent because I just adore her with all my heart. You know the other night we were watching a movie and she sat like a baby in my arms for two hours.

Tia: was that the movie with the guy with the long hair and the big muscles?

Carrie: I'm trying to think which movie we were watching. Which movie did we watch? We watched "Voodoo" and "Judge Dredd".

Tia: oh "Judge Dredd", that's one of Mark's favorite movies.

Carrie: oh really? And what was the other one that we watched? We watched, oh "Johnny Mnemonic".

Tia: oh the guy with the microchip in his head.

Carrie: God, that's a trip. That is so weird, that's almost scary and then "Judge Dredd" too.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: all those futuristic movies, it's like wow, is it going to be like that you know? It makes me wonder.

Tia: it does make you wonder doesn't it?

Carrie: oh yeah.

Tia: do you know Mark grew up on "Judge Dredd"?

Carrie: huh?

Tia: Mark grew up on "Judge Dredd".

Carrie: see I didn't know it was a comic. Mike had told me, he said, what did he say? He said something. He said something, he goes, "God this has been around forever Carrie". And I said, "nuh-uh". And he said, "yeah it has". He said, "Judge Dredd is a comic book" and I was like, "oh wow. I didn't know that."

Tia: uh-huh. Yeah ask Mark when you talk to him next. He'll tell you all about "Judge Dredd".

Carrie: I can imagine he was into comics.

Tia: what do you mean you can imagine he was into comics, he still is.

Carrie: is he still?

Tia: yes.

Carrie: I can imagine that he would be.

Russ: his life is a comic book.

Tia: watch it sonny.

Carrie: I think wait a minute, I think I remember him....doesn't he have a whole bunch of them like in plastic coverings and stuff?

Tia: no that's the Russ Meister.

Carrie: is that Russ?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: uh-huh.
Carrie: okay. Okay, yep I remember Russ being into them too.

Tia: uh-huh. So what can we do for you then sister mind?

Carrie: well I don't know, I just thought I'd give you guys a holler and say hello and tell you how my couple weeks have been.

Tia: okay tell me, tell me, tell me.

Carrie: well we got our wedding rings.....

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: but we don't get em till Friday because we had to get them sized and they are so beautiful. And I got a diamond.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I'm really excited. I've never had a diamond you know?

Tia: you've never had a diamond?

Carrie: huh?

Tia: you've never had a diamond?

Carrie: well Mike gave me a diamond earring, just one diamond earring like a long, long time ago but I've never had know?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I've just never and then I got my mom's diamond. And then, I guess I've never had anybody other than Mike give me a diamond because I've got my mom's diamond but that was her diamond you know? It's just kind of on loan on my finger.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and then Mike got me a diamond for my birthday but this one's like I think it's a quarter carat. And then it's got three chipped diamonds in the wedding band and two chipped diamonds in the engagement band on the side of the quarter carat diamond.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: it's really pretty.

Tia: well Mike's the special person that can give you the diamonds.

Carrie: it's so neat though because he just thinks it's so important you know? And I love that. He got diamonds too.

Tia: oh that's good.

Carrie: his ring has chipped diamonds in it too.

Tia: I'll tell you what you could do as a little bit of a joke, get him a lump of coal, wrap it up and tell him that that's a diamond in the rough.

Carrie: well he was going to get me that.

Tia: yeah. Well tell him to wait about 2 million years and it should be ready.

Carrie: yep, yep. Diamonds are beautiful and it's kind of neat how they are made out of coal though. Me and my mom were talking about that the other day. They're like, they're an all natural rock.

Tia: yeah or the other thing is to get him a piece of wood and tell him to heat it to several hundred thousand degrees and compress it and it will turn to coal and then from coal it will turn to a diamond.

Carrie: it'll turn to diamond?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I don't think he'd like that too much. We bought him a new truck too.

Tia: oohh.

Carrie: bought him a new Blazer.

Tia: ooohh you are on the up and up.

Carrie: yep, we've bought it yesterday. He's so excited because he hasn't had a vehicle since we left.

Tia: oh really?

Carrie: uh-uh, we've just been driving my car. So I put my car up for collateral and bought him a new truck. So he's really excited, I'm really excited for him, I'm happy.

Tia: I bet you are.

Carrie: that's kind of his Christmas present. A new vehicle and I think it's kind of neat being able to give him a vehicle for Christmas.

Tia: not many people can get that for Christmas.

Carrie: oh no they can't and we always say to each other too and we tell everybody this, "we're not going to get each other anything for Christmas" and look at us, we always do that every year too.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: we always say, "okay, something small", and then it turns out being something big. Like the first year we were together I got a leather jacket and bought him a Sega CD and he gave me leather gloves and a beautiful silver fairy earring and........

Tia: uh-huh, well I......

Carrie: we always do that, I don't know why.

Tia: well I keep on getting prodded and there's somebody that wants to talk to you.

Carrie: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: well I'd love to talk to them.

Tia: okay, I'm going to put her on.

Carrie: okay.

(Kiri takes over the call from Tia)

Kiri: yo.

Carrie: hi Kiri.

Kiri: how's it happening babe?

Carrie: pretty good, how are you?

Kiri: oh, you know.

Carrie: yeah?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I know.

Kiri: yep.

Carrie: I know how you are.

Kiri: yes.

Carrie: what's going on?

Kiri: well lots and lots and lots. I've been practicing and competing for the ski races that we're having on Centauri base.

(for the Tri-Base ski championship between Sirus, Alpha Centari base and Hades Base)

Carrie: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: how you doing?

Kiri: I qualified.

Carrie: oh cool.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: is it snow skiing?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: oh neat.

Kiri: I've got to win one more race and then I'm ready for the team.

Carrie: you'll have to teach me how to snow ski some day.

Kiri: hey when we get you up here I'll teach you how to snow ski.

Carrie: I've never snow skied.

Kiri: you're kidding?

Carrie: is that bad or what?

Kiri: no not really.

Carrie: nope, never snow skied a day in my life.

Kiri: what about on one of those long, fat, thing foot things?

Russ: snowboard.

Kiri: snowboard.

Carrie: nope, never did that either.

Kiri: well, when we get you up here on the base, I'll teach you how to ski.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: yeah there's lots of things I'll teach you about.

Carrie: oh okay. (laughs) We'll do that when I get up there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: nope, I never did ski, never had the urge. I guess all my friends did all my skiing for me.

Kiri: well that's good, that's good. Have you been trying my exercises I told you about last time that we had a long talk?

Carrie: no, I haven't really had to.

Kiri: oh that's good.

Carrie: no, things are going real well.

Kiri: uh-huh. I thought that might be the catalyst for other things to happen. Oh did you enjoy that dream the other night, I think it was about a week ago?

Carrie: huh-huh, which one, which one are you talking about?

Kiri: it was about a week ago, involved fields and sun and having a lot of fun. I've got to be careful with what I say here, I've got two MCPs.

Carrie: oh, I don't remember that dream.

Kiri: oh well, not to worry.

Carrie: there was another one though that I remember quite well that was kind of a trip. It was about a friend of mine that I knew years and years ago and I haven't thought about him in a really long time.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: a really long time.

Kiri: was she the medium height blonde with the athletic build?

Carrie: no, not that one. Nope he's tall, skinny, long.....Russ are you in the room?

Russ: I'm here darling.

Carrie: you know Roby?

Russ: no I never met him.

Carrie: do you remember me talking about him?

Russ: no, not any Roby anyway.

Carrie: that was years ago though, it was so many years ago...I mean that was...

Russ: well I might've forgotten too though.

Kiri: you're watching a cop show?

Carrie: Mike's asleep in front of the TV.

Kiri: watching a cop show.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh he's dreaming that he is a member of the State police right?

Carrie: no, that'd be a pretty boring job.

Kiri: pays well though.

Carrie: huh?

Kiri: it pays well though.

Carrie: pays well?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: probably not, well I don't know, I guess well enough for around here.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: but no, I only remember...........we went and met with the minister the other day too and I was going to talk to you guys about this. I was going ask you, because I asked him if it would be a problem for him to read what you guys would write.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and he said no as long as he had a chance to review it ahead of time so that he could object or not.

Kiri: oh of course.

Carrie: but then I was talking to Carol and Carol told me, she said, "why don't you just have the minister do his part and you know marry you guys and then have Russ stand up and do a ceremony?"

Russ: that's if I'm there or not.

Carrie: Russ are you there?

Kiri: he's here.

Russ: I'm here but whether I'll be there and we don't know yet.

Kiri: you have to come closer to the phone Russ.

Russ: did you hear that Carrie?

Carrie: yeah I heard that.

Russ: I thought so.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: that's true, that's true.

Russ: I wouldn't make any plans on it just yet.

Carrie: huh?

Russ: I wouldn't plan on it just yet.

Carrie: you better plan on it just yet.

Russ: well, we'll work on it.

Kiri: yeah we will come up with a little ceremony that he can use. We will give quite a few things that he can chop and change and.....but it will keep the flavor in there. What we will do is...nah, I can't tell you what we'll do and how it will get to you but it will get to you.

Carrie: okay. Because he told me just as long as.....because he said like within the next month.

Kiri: okay, we'll have it done before then.

Carrie: okay because he said just as long as it's nothing........and I told him, I said well the ceremony that we went through, I said it wasn't....I said you know.....because he goes, "well just as long as it's nothing like I get to a part and it shocks me" you know?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I said, "well no, it wouldn't be anything like that." And I said all it's going to be is a spiritual bonding. I said it's just going to be the same, the same as a Christian bonding but not the same you know?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and we had a religious debate for two hours, it was kind of interesting. And then he said the only reason he wouldn't marry us is if one of us was Christian and the other one wasn't.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: because apparently in the Bible it says that if your one is one religion and the other one isn't, then your wedding or your marriage will be like doomed because you have a different perspective on life and I don't necessarily believe that.

Kiri: oh I quite agree, to me it sounds as Mark might say, "a load of tosh."

Russ: where did you find this guy Carrie?

Carrie: what?

Russ: where did you find this guy?

Carrie: where?

Russ: yeah.

Carrie: you'd be surprised, he's like the most casual Christian around here.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: a lot of people wouldn't even marry us because we've lived together for 2 1/2 years.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: I mean these people out here are seriously religious. He's a really nice guy you know and Mike and I decided that we're both Christians. I mean because the only Christian values, I mean the only thing that classifies me as a Christian, I was talking to my mom about this the other day, okay and my mom told me and the minister told us this too, a Christian is basically somebody who believes in God and believes that Jesus died for our sins.

Kiri: uh-huh. But of course we know who Jesus really is don't we?

Carrie: oh yeah but I can't tell the minister that.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: that's a good way to get me exiled from the Midwest.

Kiri: yes of course, I understand.

Carrie: so basically that's what a Christian is, somebody who believes in God and who believe that Jesus was sent down and died for our sins and I believe that and Mike believes that so I guess that classifies us as both Christians.

Kiri: okay I'm going to put on the next person that wants to talk to you so hold on a second.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: there you are, there's a kiss from me.

Carrie: I love you.

Kiri: love you too.

Carrie: I'll talk to you later.

Kiri: yeah bye.

Carrie: bye.

Kiri: I'll be by later on with Tia.

Carrie: okay, bye.

Kiri: okay? So watch yourself.

Carrie: watch myself?

Kiri: yes watch yourself.

(Karra reunites with Carrie next)

Carrie: hi Russ.

Russ: hi Carrie. How you doing darling?

Carrie: what's wrong? You sound stressed.

Russ: oh no, I'm just standing up right now.

Karra: hello.

Carrie: hello.

Karra: and how's it going?

Carrie: how are you?

Karra: oh I'm doing fine but you on the other hand, hmmm.

Carrie: mine is just a temporary setback.

Karra: oh so we're up to six a day now are we?

Carrie: probably more than that.

Karra: hmmmm.

Carrie: I know bad.......

Karra: yes.

Carrie: bad, bad....

Karra: bad, bad, hold out your hand.

Russ: spank yourself.

Carrie: spank myself? I'll have Mike spank me.

Karra: hold out your arm, roll up your sleeve, okay now get two of your fingers and slap your wrist.

Carrie: okay, okay I did it.

Karra: okay, naughty, naughty, naughty.

Carrie: I did it.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: I know I've got to quit, my lungs hurt.

Karra: yeah, consider yourself reprimanded by Karra.

Carrie: I know.

Karra: I know.

Carrie: sigh Karra.

Karra: that's all right.

Carrie: I know I need to quit.

Karra: I forgive you.

Carrie: especially if I'm going to have a baby.

Karra: uh-huh, it's very important that you quit for the baby.

Carrie: Karra, do you know when I'm going to have a baby?

Karra: no, I don't know when you're going to have a baby, I can't see into the future. Yes Russ?

Carrie: I know what my future has ahead of me.

Karra: you do?

Carrie: you've been through it.

(catches Karra speechless causing Russ to laugh)

Karra: we'll save this for a later discussion when......when I....

Carrie: I know, I know. I can ask you those questions I know. We're frustrated though, we've been trying for a year.

Karra: a year? That's nothing.

Carrie: I was holding Sherry's baby the other night.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: yesterday they got married.

Karra: oh really?

Carrie: yeah, they just got married at the courthouse and it was nothing real fancy but it was real special and we went over to some friends last night and I was holding Schaefer and he fell asleep in my arms and he was just looking up at me before he fell asleep and he was just watching me. And then I was humming Christmas songs to him and then he started to get a little fussy and then I hummed some more and he'd just get real quiet and he'd stare at me. It felt so right.

Karra: he was probably looking up at you and going, "who is this person?"

Carrie: he knows who auntie Carrie is.

Karra: yeah I know, I'm pulling your leg.

Carrie: I'm always giving him kisses all the time.

Karra: I'm pulling your leg.

Carrie: he knows me because I used to call him a little girl when he was inside the tummy.

Karra: oh.

Carrie: he didn't like that.

Karra: now would you like being called a little boy?

Carrie: huh?

Karra: would you like to be called a little boy?

Carrie: he wanted to be called a little boy because he was a little boy.

Karra: no but would you?

Carrie: would I? No.

Karra: well there's your answer.

Carrie: I understand. He'll forgive me someday though.

Karra: yes of course he will.

Carrie: but it just felt so right you know? It was so neat, it was like......but then I think about it and I think God knows what he's doing, he knows.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I guess he just knows that we're not in a position right now to have babies.

Karra: oh exactly, your body is telling you that it's not the right time yet.

Carrie: yeah that and the situation we're in.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? It would just be too hard, too much more stress so I figure God must know you know? I put my trust in him and I believe that he knows what he's doing.

Karra: yeah, you see the body's a very sensitive piece of equipment, it knows when it's time to have children and when it's not time to have children. Certain activities will stop you from having children. For example, you can be very athletic and that will stop your periods and stop you from ovulating because you're being busy and you're burning energy that would at other times be used to help you to grow a baby. Or when you're very, very hungry and there's no money around and you're starving. Again you can't have babies because your body doesn't have the nutrients to supply the energy for a baby.

Carrie: I didn't know that.

Karra: uh-huh. See the body's very clever.

Carrie: it amazes me how the body works sometimes when I sit down and think about it. Are your guy's body's the same?

Karra: yeah, uh-huh.

Carrie: isn't that weird? How everything connects because especially in school we've been learning like we went through cell anatomy and physiology.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: And it was so weird you know? Because I mean everything connects to everything and everything serves a purpose and every little thing knows when there's something wrong.

Karra: oh of course, it's a very precisely tuned piece of machinery as Kiri might say.

Carrie: well mine needs a tuneup.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: mine needs a few major adjustments.

Karra: Kiri says that one day she'll get to give you a few minor adjustments that will help you.

Carrie: I should of never have told Russ that, now Kiri's going be bugging me about it the whole lifetime.

Karra: well one day when you are abducted by a UFO for a brief period of time, probably it will be Kiri and a pilot and they'll get into a lot of trouble but you'll feel much, much better.

Carrie: oh just as long as....I watched that movie "Fire in the Sky".....just as long as they don't guys don't's not one of them UFOs.

Karra: no, no.

Carrie: I'm sure you guys wouldn't do that to me.

Karra: now would we?

Carrie: but one of those UFOs, that was scary.

Russ: no, "Fire In the Sky" was a fictional, it was....

Carrie: no, it was a true story though, it actually happened in 1976.

Russ: I know but the actual things that they said the movie, didn't actually happen. That was put in by Hollywood. The guy who actually got abducted had none of that stuff happen to him. He said nothing like what they were talking about. Hollywood added that in to make it a little more....

Karra: dramatic.

Russ: dramatic.

Karra: and also to give people like us a bad name.

Carrie: oh I wouldn't give you guys a bad name.

Karra: I know.

Carrie: but there is not people like you guys.

Karra: oh there's all sorts of different races out here that.....

Carrie: I know and it scares me sometimes.

Karra: oh don't be scared, you're all right.

Carrie: I know I am, but it just, I don't know. It's weird because I know when I was younger I've seen a couple UFOs when I was younger.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I feel safe with you guys you know because you guys are always there to protect me.

Karra: yes we are the arms that surround you and hold you and stop you from sliding off the road when you're going a little bit too fast in icy conditions. Or when you go around a curve to a bridge and the bridge is in the shade and it's all icy? We're the ones that make you slow down a bit.

Carrie: oh is that you guys?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hey Carrie?

Carrie: I tell you, if I had a "Vet" to try, I'd probably be dead by now.

Karra: that's why you don't have....

Carrie: I've been scared half to death. I had to pull over the other day. Maybe that was you guys that made me do it?

Karra: was that just after a bridge that you went over that was a little bit icy?

Carrie: well it was a bridge, I went over a bridge okay?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but my windshield wiper fluid had gone out. And I didn't have any windshield wiper fluid and it's so muddy out here that I mean my windows were caked with mud. I couldn't see anything because I was behind a semi and I almost ran into him. So I pulled over and I had to take snow from the side of the road to wipe off my windows just to make it home and I was 20 miles from home and it was freaky. And I got home and I told Mike I said, "I have got to get windshield wiper fluid because I'm going to die out there if I don't." And it was bad but we only have a couple days out here like that. Like last week it was 51 below zero.

Karra: oohh, nice cool evening.

Carrie: yeah very cool, I mean it was cold but see we were on our way to Cedar Rapids and seven people got......eight people got killed in a motor-home.

Karra: oh really?

Carrie: we were three cars behind it. They got smashed by a semi. And we were sitting there for an hour in traffic, we didn't know what was going on. We were sitting there for an hour in traffic and we're like, you know whining and complaining, "come on we got to go, we got to go" and then all of a sudden somebody come back and told us what happened and we just sobbed and started praying and thanking God for letting us get to our destination safe. It was so cold out that in the time we were sitting there for that hour......

Karra: uh-huh?

Carrie: our tires froze to the ground.

Karra: ohhh.

Carrie: that's how windy and cold it was. The wind apparently picked up this semi and threw it over on top of the motorhome. And then they were doing a detour?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: like right before this or right after this and we missed the detour, we were two cars behind the detour. That's how we ended up three cars behind the accident.

Karra: oh really?

Carrie: we were two cars behind when they stopped the detour and some guy got killed on the detour.

Karra: ohh it sounds like a nasty night out.

Carrie: yeah well it was the daytime and it was really bad. Some guy I guess, he had a load full of cattle........

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and the wind just picked him up and rolled his truck and the cattle survived because it was too heavy.

Karra yeah.

Carrie: it didn't pick that up but it picked up his cab and it killed him. And it was like I mean it was weird because it was like thank you because we could of been in either one of those accidents.

Karra: uh-huh but you weren't. That's the main thing that you were where you should have been.

Carrie: exactly, exactly and that's why we just stopped complaining and we said there was some people there that didn't make it home and thank God we made it.

Kara: that's right anyway, I'm going to hand you back to Russ.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: because Russ is thinking about his telephone bill again.

Russ: no I'm not.

Carrie: I know, I shouldn't have called.

Karra: that's..of course you can call whenever you wish.

Carrie: well I called but he called me back so it's on his bill.

Karra: okay well Tia will finish up everything but in the meantime you can talk to Russ whilst we stretch out and relax.

Carrie: huh? I couldn't hear you, I was walking away.

Russ: she is going to stretch out and relax.

Carrie: oh, okay.

Russ: no biggie. Hey darling?

Carrie: yeah?

Russ: question for you.

Carrie: what?

Russ: have you ever experienced anything like missing time or something?

Carrie: missing time?

Russ: like some part of your life that went by and you can't remember what it was that went by but you were awake and then you're somewhere else or something like that and you don't know what happened?

Carrie: okay yeah.

Russ: what happened, when was this?

Carrie: are you talking about in my life?

Russ: yeah right.

Carrie: recently?

Russ: no, anytime in your life.

Carrie: why, are you doing a report?

Russ: just curious, personal curiosity.

Carrie: there's been quite a few times in my life where I've have had missing time.

Russ: what happened darling? Give me one good one.

Carrie: when Rob died.

Russ: what happened?

Carrie: I remember my mom calling me at the movie theater and telling me that Rob was dead and I freaked out and I went to Christine's house and nobody was there and I don't know after that. I remember being in the schoolyard, I don't know how I got there but I remember being in the schoolyard. And then after that my parents had a search party looking for me, nobody knew where I was at for like, I was gone.........I can only trace about an hour of that time and I was gone probably eight or nine hours.

Russ: wow.

Carrie: and I don't remember, I don't know if I just blocked it out or.....but I remember being in the schoolyard and I don't know how I got there and I don't remember. And then I remember going home and getting really drunk and throwing up all over the floor.

(Kiri comes back to the chat)

Kiri: well we all do silly things like that from time to time. When I get drunk, which ain't very often, watch it buddy boy.

Carrie: uh-oh.

Kiri: he's snickering at me.

Carrie: oh he knows something that I don't huh?

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: you got the wrong person buster, I don't have pointed ears and a stumpy tail.

Carrie: I don't get that drunk anymore.

Kiri: that's good.

Carrie: I used to get that drunk a lot.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and see that's why, that's why when I was younger there's a lot of missing time in my life Russ, there is a lot of my childhood that's missing that I don't remember.

Russ: any time during when you saw those UFOs, did any of that come up missing?

Carrie: well there was this one time I was walking home from Jessica's house and remember I used to walk a lot?

Russ: yeah, sure.

Carrie: there was this one time I was walking home from Jessica's house and I remember getting up on this one street and I used to walk with my head straight up in the air........

Russ: right.

Carrie: because I used to stare at the sky and it was late at night and I saw this thing and it kind of looked like a star.

Russ: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it was like moving with me but you know how sometimes your eyes can make it delusional?

Russ: yeah right.

Carrie: well it was moving with me so to see if I was actually right or not, I actually crossed the road like in a zigzag and it followed me. It was like it was attached to me.

Russ: uh-huh.

Carrie: and then all of a sudden I just started running, running and I ran all the way home. And I got home and after that I don't remember. And then there was another time where my mom and I saw UFO's actually shining their lights in our backyard. It was so weird. I have seen them coming through my window and my mom had a room above mine, so her window faced the same way?

Russ: uh-huh.

Carrie: and me my mom were the only ones home and I ran upstairs because I saw all these lights and I ran upstairs I woke my mom up. I said, "wake up" and she's going, "what's going on?" I said, "mom wake up, look out the window." She looked out the window and we both just stood there. There were three light formations or three UFOs up in the sky in a "V" formation and they were shining their lights in our back field. I mean there were lights, they were like a bluish white light in our backyard and it was so trippy. And then all of a sudden one shined in our bedroom and we both jumped down and laid in bed and we held each other and we fell asleep.

Kiri: sorry to interrupt, but have you had any dreams of different races and species of people?

Carrie: I'm trying to think. I don't know.

Kiri: and Karra is saying to me that she would like to give you a total physical exam at some time.

Carrie: why, do you guys think I've been abducted?

Russ: sounds very possible.

Kiri: no we didn't say that, we didn't say that.

Russ: oh well they didn't say it.

Carrie: okay Russ, you can say it.

Russ: no I can't say it. You probably haven't but what the heck, you never know.

Carrie: oh yeah, that's true. Well I'll give my consent for a physical, I...

Russ: have you watched the X-Files lately?

Carrie: I mean because I have thought about it. I remember, you know the very first time I ever saw a UFO was when I was about seven years old.

Russ: yeah?

Carrie: it was me, my brother, my cousin and our babysitter and we all sat there and watched it. I was about seven years old.

Kiri: it ties into Mark's conversation doesn't it?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay I'm going to put Tia on.

Carrie: okay.

(Tia returns to finish up the call)

Carrie: I've seen a lot in my life, a lot of UFOs.

Russ: sounds like it darling.

Carrie: huh?

Russ: I haven't seen but one.

Carrie: you've seen one?

Russ: just one and that was only because it flew over when Omal was there and he pointed out to me.

(during a camping trip when Mark channeled Omal by the campfire)

Carrie: yeah I've seen quite a few and that I thought was pretty weird. I don't really tell a lot of people about it just because of the fact that people think I'm Fruit Loops when I tell them I've seen more than one.

Russ: oh I think you pretty safe talking about it here.

Carrie: well yeah, I know that. (laughs) I guess I just never really thought about it bringing it up with you guys. I haven't thought about that in a really long time and....

Russ: well it's good to know, I mean...

Carrie: but, you guys remember.....oh remember we talked about this before. Remember that one, I don't know if it was ever verified but remember that guy that used to come and rape me in my sleep?

Russ: oh yeah right.

Tia: yeah I remember that.

Carrie: remember him? And we had talked about it?

Russ: yeah right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well I remember the name you used. It was....started with the P or something didn't it?

Carrie: are you thinking of Dagmar?

Russ: oh yeah right, D.

Carrie: no, no, that was a demon.

Russ: oh.

Carrie: isn't that exciting? Boy I've just had such an exciting life.

Russ: more than me.

Carrie: no that was a demon that Rob dealt with.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: because Rob had done some channeling when he was pretty young, okay he had done a lot of channeling.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and he was kind of like a medium. I guess he did what Mark does.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh yeah.

Carrie: and apparently he had let this thing or demon, I thought it was a demon at the time, maybe it wasn't? And being that Rob and I were connected, the demon wanted both of us, whatever it was. His name was Dagmar. Well when Rob was doing this one channeling session, he apparently let Dagmar out and Dagmar almost killed one of the girls that was there and Rob stopped it. Well Rob kind of put a mission out on life, on his life.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: this is why I think he died. And I've only told one other person this, this is why think he died, I think he was killed because he was trying to save my life.

Tia: it sounds more like he sacrificed himself to save you.

Carrie: exactly and I couldn't tell anybody that but the demon had started messing with me.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: he would find himself, and his roommate even vouched for this, he would find himself in an unconscious state fighting, physically fighting...

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: like he had no control over what was going on. He was in the actual......he was fighting Dagmar because Dagmar....and now I'm starting to wow.....I'm like trying to put this all together. I've never really pieced this to the puzzle. But remember when Rob and I used to have that little room that we'd go to?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: yeah.

Carrie: we had a waterfall and then we had a room.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I used mom was so scared. She didn't believe me at first until she saw him on my wall, his figure was on my wall. At night I was so scared to go to sleep because I could see him moving in the shadows and I would hide. Every night I was so scared. And my mom had a priest bless a crucifix and two holy Bibles and sort of laid them on my bed like in a ritualistic kind of way? And she had apparently had a minister come in and.....well it didn't work because it wasn't a demon. I thought he had gone away but he had only gotten into my dreams apparently that was him. That's really weird.

Russ: hmmm.

Carrie: see I never really put the two together because after Rob died he became more powerful but Rob I don't think knew that.

Russ: well Rob might've been what was keeping him weak eh? It wasn't letting him...

Carrie: not because we were too weak, we were linked. But then I could be wrong because I got rid of him after Rob died because he became more strong, maybe it was when Rob was in his transition period after he died?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: maybe Rob was in a weak period after he died.

Tia: yeah. Well we're going to wrap it up now because we don't want to run up Rusty Nail's telephone bill.

Carrie: oh sure, now leave me with that kind of thought, that heavy thought on my brain.

Tia: yeah but what better way to let you go, deep in thought.

Russ: oh wait a minute Carrie.

Carrie: yeah?

Russ: I want to find out real quick how.....




(Tia finishes where she left off)

Russ: Carrie, I always worry about you sweetheart, you know that.

Tia: and I worry about you too sister mind, I'll be down tonight.

Carrie: okay, I'll be here. Yeah, I know, I've got to get to bed.

Tia: yeah and Kiri's on about coming along as well.

Carrie: oh yeah, okay. The more the merrier.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: there is room for everybody.

Tia: oh there will be, there will be.

Carrie: there will be? I don't want to know.

Russ: good night my love.

Carrie: good night you guys, I love you.

Russ: love you too babe.

Carrie: and like I told Mark, we'll be at Mike's mom's if you want to call on Christmas.

Russ: all righty, sounds good.

Carrie: if you can afford it.

Russ: well we'll see what happens.

Tia: okay we'll see you later sister mind.

Carrie: okay, I love you guys.

Tia: yeah, we'll be down, bye.

Carrie: bye.

Russ: bye love. I got to go to the bathroom.

Tia: pause the tape then.

(Omal comes on to work give some meta-concert procedure info)

Omal: .......felicitations Johnny, greetings and felicitations Russ, let us get down to business as time is limited.

Russ: well we got 45 minutes.

Omal: okay, questions please.

Russ: okay.

Omal: yes? Next question?

Russ: okay meta-concert.

Omal: yes?

Russ: all right, how do soul notes closely affect the meta-concert?

Omal: soul notes, they can and they cannot, it depends on the frequency of the soul notes and the purpose for the meta-concert.

Russ: okay, give me an example of how they would affect the meta-concert productively.

Omal: productively, in a healing meta-concert, they would be productive. In a coercion meta-concert, the frequency of the notes being in a harmonic range that is harmonious to each other or the members the meta-concert, it would have a detrimental fact in that it would drain power from the purpose of a coercive meta-concert.

Russ: okay, what about a shielding meta-concert?

Omal: shielding certainly, a harmonic shielding meta-concert with people of a similar frequency can enhance the meta-concert however, people that are not harmonically linked with their frequencies can have just as strong if not stronger meta-concert if they know how to use the variable frequencies of the different harmonic frequencies of the meta-concert of their personal beings.

Russ: okay, now say for example you have the same group of people and you have three nights, one with healing, one with coercion, one was shielding. Now, would you then switch around the various duties to make those harmonies work for the different purposes?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay so give me an example of how if in a healing you've got one person doing executive and so on....

Omal: that would be the healer.

Russ: okay right, you would change around the next wave for coercion so that the harmonious soul notes wouldn't affect the meta-concert.

Omal: you would put the strongest coercer in charge of the final focusing as the executive.

Russ: right.

Omal: the same with any other meta-concert, if you have a strong person in that particular ability, it is useful to put them in that position. However, if they are not fully versed on their ability and only know that they have coercion and they are a strong coercer but do not know how to use coercion properly, then it would be silly to put them as the executive. You would therefore put them in the primary or the secondary.

Russ: okay.

Omal: and the same with any other function. So it is not always best to have the strongest healer as a healer. Or the strongest coercer as the executive, or the strongest psychokinesis person as the executive, it would not work in that case.

Russ: right because they don't understand its use properly.

Omal: correct. It is more important that you have an individual that understands the ability that is being used. For example you can have a very weak coercer that can have his ability enhanced a 100 fold by the meta-concert. Even though he is weak, it becomes 100% enhanced due to the fact of the other people in the meta-concert supplying the energy.

Russ: okay, now I assume then that this would be more prevalent between the conductor and the executive then the other members of the meta-concert?

Omal: correct, it is handy to have those two individuals being of like minds and like strengths however it is also important to have a strong conductor. It is not necessary for him to have any particular ability where he is strong, but be able to channel vast quantities of energy.

Russ: okay now before we discussed the fact that the conductor has to hold the energy and store it before he sends it off right?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now with that much energy being stored, what are the chances of the conductor overloading without channeling it out first before he channels it out?

Omal: he himself can act in an emergency situation as an executive. It is unfocused and untrained energy and it is just dissipated. It is not common for a conductor to cash in his chips. It does happen from time to time and that is usually due to inexperience or something going wrong somewhere else in the meta-concert. For example, somebody having a massive heart attack in the primary would cause a flashover which would flash in both directions and it would be the function of the conductor to take most of the energy and to take most of the blast of that individual who has just dropped out of the meta-concert therefore saving the rest of the meta-concert by expending himself.

Russ: okay, now one thing about the conductor that I'm not sure on is that in my healing where I am working on somebody and I'm draining the power out or their pain sometimes through my root or my grounding.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? If the conductor is properly grounded, couldn't he just ground out any excess energy coming through thereby saving himself also and the meta-concert?

Omal: sometimes it doesn't quite work that way due to the fact of the sudden energy bloom within him will override everything. Even passing down as a ground, it will scorch a path which would drag him down so that he is laid low which means?

Russ: yeah, he's laid up.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay now I'm trying to picture a meta-concert using that much energy and on third dimension, it's tough to imagine.....on sixth dimension, I'm sure it's much more prevalent and much more where you have to be aware of such things. But on third dimension, it's so rare where we deal with that much energy in the first place.

Omal: correct, correct. But sometimes there is that possibility where you would have 30 or a 100 or 200 or a thousand people together working for a common good. You could have 56,000 people working together in a meta-concert and if they were organized correctly, they would've been able to have picked up the stage and levitated it.

(talking about a recent Grateful Dead concert I attended)

Russ: okay, now a lot of what we're discussing about meta-concert concerns future use.

Omal: exactly. Most of it is designed for prosperity.....not prosperity.

Russ: posterity.

Omal: posterity that will be passed on by people reviewing your tapes or by people that you teach, it will be passed on and passed on and then finally put into practice. You are the scribe, you are the record keeper, you are the librarian.

Russ: the communicator.

Omal: the communicator. So therefore even though you have practical experience, which is part of being a librarian that you now have the knowledge to write it down having experienced it, it is not necessary for you to do. But it is for you to understand and be able to write it down in a format where it would be easy for somebody else to read and go "Ahh, this is how you do it"....step one, step two and so on.

Russ: hmmm, you know there are some kind of computers where they just hear the voice and they write out what they hear.......

Omal: correct.

Russ: without somebody having to type it all in.

Omal: yes I believe Korton has a couple of those in his antique collection.

Russ: well I'm going to find one in our newly discovered or invented a while ago but unpurchased by myself so that I can just play these tapes and let this stuff just all get written out.

Omal: uh-huh, I think you might be advisable to look not in your normal computer line. You may look at a more obscure brand that is technologically more advanced and the others are just catching up with their graphics.

Russ: I see.

Omal: in fact you already have part of it present.

Russ: what's that? You mean the graphic on the wall there?

Omal: no, where is my finger-pointing?

Russ: toward the wall.

Omal: through the wall.

Russ: through the wall.

Omal: through the next room.

Russ: through the next room to the Amiga?

(an old compute brand Mark and I were using at the time)

Russ: oh okay, I'll look into that.

Omal: yes they are more advanced than most of your computers. They are just catching up, they do have voice activated computers does your Amiga company. They do have a much larger capacity, they do have a much better link with other computers of their kind but because of certain political and economic intrigues within your country....

Russ: we're stuck with IBM.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and Microsoft.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: but go outside of the area, that sphere of influence and what is one of the largest computer companies on your planet?

Russ: Amiga.

Omal: correct.

Russ: because they're all in Europe.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so theoretically then I've got the hardware, all I need now is the software and maybe the little bit of hardware I need to update that Amiga to make this tape collection into a written verbiage. Of course some of them will have to be heavily censored. I don't know how the computer's going to go...ughgh...errgg...ahhhh.

Omal: I do not know either. You'd have to talk to our resident antique computer specialist however he is not available at this time.

Russ: no problem. Okay now then, back to meta-concert real quickly.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now I remember us discussing our party that we were to held for those...

Omal: oh yes.

Russ: right. Now I'm starting to put together........this party is designed to make participants feel closer in tune.

Omal: correct. It is more of a relaxing situation, there may be or may not be a channeling session, that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that these individuals will get together, if they smoke, they will exchange cigarettes, they will laugh, they will joke, they will enjoy alcoholic adult beverages. They may make fools of themselves but they will be getting to know each other.

Russ: okay, now you're aware of the person down here called Marsha?

Omal: I have had occasion to have information on her passed to me.

Russ: okay she is going to be part of future channeling sessions apparently I found out tonight.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so specifically she might lend a hand in this meta-concert that we're working on......

Omal: correct.

Russ: as an energy source......

Omal: correct.

Omal: and so we'll get to know her better with the party so it's kind of handy we haven't had it yet.

Omal: correct but I don't think she'll be able to attend until I believe if Kiri is saying correctly until after your ski season is over due to the fact of her shift.

Russ: right well maybe we'll schedule it for it for a day off if we can get the scheduling down.

Omal: yes.

Russ: see what happens. Okay, that's it for me.

Omal: okay questions Johnny. Do you have any for me?

John: no, my mind's kind of blank right now.

Omal: okay, as Russ was taking up most of the opportunity for you to discuss and not nodding in your direction either to see if you had any questions. To quote Karra, hold out your wrist, get your two fingers and go (Slaps wrist.).....naughty Russ.

Russ: bad boy, bad Russ.

John: what is the ideal number of people for a meta-concert? Is there an ideal number?

Omal: no there is no ideal number but preferably five and above.

John: so does the more people that participate, does it generate more energy?

Omal: correct. By having let us say five people, you have the minimal number. You have your primary, number one primary, number two primary.....sorry secondary. You have your number one secondary and your number two secondary. You have your primary you have your conductor and your executive. Five is the bare minimum. You can practice with less, you can practice the conductor and the executive mode but it is really necessary to have five people. Six people, that is good because you would bring up one of the experienced secondaries to a primary role so that the primaries, instead of having two, has one each. If you have let us say 10, then you would split up between the secondaries and the primaries so that it would be a roughly even number and then you'd save two people for the conductor and the executive role.

John thank you.

Omal: you're welcome.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: live long, prosper and, I'll be back.

(Tia resumes her ring mistress duties)

John: is that a Schwarzenegger impression?

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

John: hello.

Tia: hello. Okay, I'll see you guys shortly.

Russ: bye.

John: okay.

(Kiri and Karra make their return to chat)

Russ: hi Kiri....oh I'm not letting you......

Karra: it's a team effort actually.

Russ: oh.

(Kiri takes over)

Kiri: oh dear and what have we done to ourself Johnny?

John: oh I think we caught the flu.

Kiri:  hmmm, yes. Tia did give you a medical Durondedunn remedy did she not?

John: yeah, yeah. I'm going to try it tomorrow.

Kiri:  ummm, we suggest that you try it tonight actually.

John: okay.

Kiri: okay. Secondly, you've been holding the protein down that you had earlier on correct?

John: yeah I wasn't able to eat very much so........

Kiri: but you ate something?

John: yeah I ate a little bit and I'm going to try to eat some more.

Kiri: okay that is good. Okay we were going to come over and channel some energy through you but I don't think it is necessary however you do have on your aura, there is a little dark spot down here which is probably due to the fact of the vomiting and what does Mark call it? Hold on whilst we check......coming out of both ends.

(a sudden sound happens)

John: yeah. Yeah I haven't had any diarrhea yet.

Kiri: what was that?

Russ: the door.

John: that was the door.

Russ: cat just wandered by.

John: we just let a cat in.

Kiri: ahh, okay. So do you have questions for me? Okay, not at this time. Russ?

Russ: yeah, a couple hundred.

(Karra takes over)

Karra: I wish she wouldn't make Mark's body do things like that.

Russ: it looks good on you though.

Karra: it probably would look good on me.

Russ: first off, what is it that you're not telling me concerning Carrie? Now what is the big hush-hush here that we need to get possibly into or not into depending on the circumstances?

Karra: next question please. This is neither the time to sit down or the place to sit down and discuss it.

Russ: okay, how about her abductions?

Karra: again this is not the time or the place. First of all I would like to give her a physical exam, preferably in person but if not we will blindfold Carrie and we will use the host body to do the physical exam.

Russ: okay. Well okay.....

Karra: but blindfold her due to the fact that she would feel uncomfortable having a male body give her the physical exam.

Russ: right. Well we'll have to go to the wedding after all to get that one done. That will be quite a wedding present.

Karra: yes, a total physical exam.

Russ: okay well.....

Karra: the reason why we won't discuss Carrie at this time is because of that so we will not discuss the problems of the abduction or her physical conditions.

Russ: okay.

John: because it's being recorded?

Karra: correct.

John: okay.

Karra: and somebody does have a way of keeping track of time and does know when things are missing.

Russ: okay, we'll save that for future reference.

Karra: besides Tia is informing me that he is at 45%.

(Mark's power levels)

Russ: oh okay. Well what have you got for me babe?

Karra: well what I've got for you I can't give you in this physical form but on the other hand let me see, well we've got dad coming next week.

Russ: okay.

Karra: so we're going to have a little bit of a party, just our half of the family.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: the other half isn't invited because this is a eldest daughter thing.

Russ: oh.

Karra: big sister puts her foot down and says no to her little sister.

Russ: oh, temper tantrum. This should be fun to watch.

Karra: no, I do not have a temper tantrum. It is.....

Russ: no, not you, Kiri.

Karra: okay, anymore questions?

Russ: yeah, why do you have so much patience with me sweetheart?

Karra: when you 70 or 80 years plus or 70 years plus, I stopped counting, you will learn patience too.

Russ: I'm sure I will. I'll probably have patience with myself that is now then at that point.

Karra: uh-huh, that is the first rule to learning patience is having patience with yourself with the failings of your body. You've got to understand that you are not Superman, you are limited by this flesh and bone, this cartilage, this calcium, this iron, this potassium, all the chemicals that are in here and in here is what limits you. You cannot dive underwater and hold your breath for half an hour. You cannot fly through the air for a 100 miles, not unless you wish to get burned to a cinder or frozen. You cannot walk outside in conditions of minus a hundred and fifty without feeling cold and freezing.

Russ: right.

John: can you do all that stuff?

Karra: no, I wish I could but I can't.

Russ: well maybe someday. Well thank you darling.

Karra: not in this form, I've got many, many, many lifeforms before I will be able to do any of those things.

(Tia wraps up the channeling session)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hello, greetings.

(talks to the cat in Durondedunn)

Tia: is he hiding?

John: he's just playing.

Russ: that is another good fun little bet me and Kiri got on.

Tia: yes, you guys do bet a lot against each other don't you?

Russ: yeah well, I think it'll be a fun challenge for her.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah she hasn't seen the intermediate course yet.

Tia: no.

Russ: makes the Alpha Centauri course look like novice time.

Tia: you haven't seen the full holograms.

Russ: no I haven't.

Tia: you haven't skied on a hologram mode, I have and boy, my heart was pounding and that was just looking down the course.

Russ: yeah no kidding.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: so you guys don't ski on snow?

Tia: yeah.

John: oh okay.

Tia: yeah we just have holograms of the course.

John: oh okay, so it is just like a flight simulator, would that be comparable?

Tia: yeah, that would be comparable. It's a simulator of the course that we will be competing on in late March.

John: I see, I understand now.

Tia: uh-huh. It was nice that sister mind called.

Russ: yeah, that was a fun little conversation.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: yeah she seems to be in good spirits.

Tia: yeah, we almost got reprimanded.

Russ: why?

Tia: well when I was talking to her and I kept on getting prodded it was where I was getting prodded.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well maybe she wasn't looking where she was prodding.

Tia: she was looking where she was prodding and making comments in my ear wishing that it was Carrie.

John: ahhh.

Tia: which is just as well that she took it for a spin because it gave me a chance to rearrange my panties.

Russ: oh good.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yes?

Tia: uhhh?

Russ: oh, Calvin didn't come.

Tia: uh-huh. (sings a ditty) This one needs cleaning.

(The copper poles of the pyramid that was being built for Mark to channel in.)

Russ: (unintelligible)

Tia: yeah.

Russ: yeah, we'll put the works on it.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: what do you use, like Brasso or something?

Russ: uh-huh.

John: yeah.

Tia: what's this?

John: it's an ashtray.

Tia: oh okay.

John: it's a Polish ashtray.

Russ: it's disguised as a peanut can.

John: looks like a peanut can but it's actually an ashtray.

Tia: terrible, disgusting, ucky habit.

John: what's that, peanuts?

Tia: no, smoking. Yeah but if you're peeing nuts you got to go and see a doctor. Actually, if you're peeing nuts, I suppose you could make a lot of money.

John: you're probably right.

Tia: uh-huh. Oh dear, dear, dear, dear, dear. Next week is a free week, we will be channeling from the channeling room.....

Russ: okay.

Tia: and as for the party, let us go for it in the New Year and let's get everybody together, send out official invites. Can we do that?

Russ: oh yeah, I can do them off my computer.

John: yeah.

Tia: okay.

John: that's easy.

Tia: probably leave it open for a channeling session but not totally open if you know what I mean.

Russ: right.

Tia: is there anybody else? And Carrie and Michael.

Russ: oh really? What, over a phone call or something?

Tia: but address it as special "even though that you will not be here in person, we know you'll be here in spirit."

Russ: okay, I shall do so.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: she has raised numerous questions which I shall have lots of fun trying to discover the answers to.

Tia: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: like for example, why is some folks taking such an interest in somebody and why those same folks take such an interest in us? Second answer is much easier to answer than the first.

Tia: okay, what is the answer to the second one?

Russ: because of the fact that Mark and my association with you guys up on Hades Base makes us an obvious candidate for surveillance.

Tia: uh-huh. You're also cutting somebody out that needs to be included.

Russ: who? Mike or Rob oh Johnny?

Kiri: uh-huh. I don't think Johnny realizes it but now that he's been introduced to us and the channeling sessions and all that goes on, he has now become a target also for surveillance and abduction.

John: okay.

Russ: now Tia?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Carrie's health problems would be.....

Tia: nahnahnahnahnah.

Russ: oh wait, oh wait, that's right, nevermind I forgot.

Tia: yes.

Russ: again, I'm just going to be dwelling on this all night.

Tia: uh-huh. Yes I know, I know, poor Carrie. But what we might do is, does she have a video player does she?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: what we could do is, you and Mark could rent a video recorder..........

Russ: right?

Tia: and at the party we'll video record everything.

Russ: oh that will really make everybody just loosen up won't it? I don't think so, bad idea.

Tia: it's for Carrie.

Russ: I know it's for Carrie. Well in that case, let's just hook up a VCR feed right through the computer on a fax mode to her and she can watch us on the computer, we could talk to her via......

Tia: I've got a better idea, channeling session. We'll get one in there and so that she can be in here when she calls right? And we can record it with the video camera and then mail it to her. And we can have, let me see......

Russ: that saved you. I need to get somebody into the channeling sessions that's got some VCR equipment.

Tia: yeah what we can do is we could put the video recorder above the telephone right? And put a pair of boots and a pair of jeans and stuff them right? So you's like the telephone....her voice is coming from the telephone and it's her there as her eyes are the camera and the trousers represent her legs with the boots.

Russ: oh, fair enough.

Tia: uh-huh. Would you like Kiri's new race outfit?

Russ: I haven't seen it yet.

Tia: oh. You might be able to pick it up on the computer net, the racing.

Russ: okay.

Tia: yeah, but don't look at me when I'm skiing.

Russ: oh, I'll make a point of it.

Tia: uh-huh, skip over that bit. But I'll tell you what is spectacular, is the crash....Kiri's crash for the super G.

Russ: oh yeah that one.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh well.

John: can't you get video equipment from the guy that works next door to you? Can't he give you some kind of break?

Russ: doesn't have any recorders, I mean cameras.

John: oh I see.

Russ: he rents VCRs.

John: right, right. I wasn't sure.

Russ: but no cameras.

John: yeah.

Russ: a whole other matter.

John: yeah, he's pretty good about cutting you some breaks on stuff.

Russ: well I can get a hold of some cameras........aah, I've got to work on that part, it would be a lot easier to just video record this stuff.

(Tia plays with the cat)

Tia: has his tail got enlarged?

John: not that I had noticed, it's been broken a few times.

Tia: no I thought it had fluffed up.

(she speaks to the cat)

Tia: but we're playing aren't we huh?

John: yeah it could have been from the static electricity too.

Tia: yeah it's possible, because he is pumping and snicking. You ready for round two buddy boy? I'll have a cup of tea please.


(Postscript: Carrie had a biopsy done and was found to have cancer with little chance of having children. Omal organized a meta-concert of a 1,000 individuals on the base channeled through Mark. Doctors were amazed when they had to call off the surgery due to the lack of any traces of the cancer in a follow-up exam. She and Mike had a beautiful daughter later on who I met when she had just turned four.........Russ)

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