CYCLES AND SUPEREGOS- Channeled 03/11/97

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Archivist Notes:
The session below had a celebratory feel as the tri-base ski competition had just wrapped up with the help of Mark who was in charge of its organization. Both Kiri and Lyka ended up with medals and we got a great explanation on superegos from Omal. Also brought up were the cycles we have experienced as a civilization starting with Sirius.

TIA- Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


3.)(32:09)- Karra describes the joys of healing.
4.)(41:59)- We congratulate Kiri on her 3rd place in the tri-base ski competition.


2.)(7:43)- Alana and I go over suggestions for helping a dolphin shot by fishermen in Norway and whales throughout the galaxy.

3.)(17:02)- Lyka is congratulated on her gold medal in the downhill that led to an overabundance of testosterone.

4.)(19:25)- Tia comes to the rescue and finishes up with a discussion on contingency plans after a collapse of society.

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(Tia starts out the night)

Tia: okay, greetings and welcome to this channeling session on the night of March the 10th.....

Russ: 11th.

Tia: 11th, 1995 at.......

Russ: seven.

Tia: (swears in Durondedunn)

Russ: we're in a time warp here, one day back two years ago.

Tia: (swears again in Durondedunn) which I won't translate.

Russ: right, we probably got one from that date.

Tia: yes if you insist. Okay, now let's get down to business.

Russ: okay. All right.....

Tia: welcome to this channeling session on March the 11th, 1997 at 8:15 PM. Okay, let us continue.

Russ: all right, anyway, this is in attendance Russ and Karen....

Tia: uh-huh and Tia.....

Russ: and Tia of course.

Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: alrighty, now then, one of the things I want to go over here is the future and possible futures.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now I was discussing with someone about Japanese feudal society.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: as compared to the European feudal society back in the early.....part of the late dark ages.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: coming up into the Arthurian age and the Japanese feudal system in the Shogun era.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and the differences between the two are not that many, they're quite similar in many respects.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm wondering if the future is....or the past is a possible reflection upon our future there.

Tia: well things do go in cycles.

Russ: correct.

Tia: and the cycles can be very, very big or very, very small. Fashion for example I've noticed on your planet goes in circles. I believe polyester suits and disco are making a comeback.

Russ: bell bottoms never made it back.

Karen: no they didn't.

Tia: well that's very fortuitous isn't it?

Russ: I never missed them.

Tia: so why not history? And in fact history does go in cycles, much bigger cycles. Let us go back approximately 2,000 years where you let's go back nearly 3,000 years to a democratic society which would be where Russ?

Russ: democratic society 2,000 years ago?

Tia: well, nearly 3,000 years ago.

Russ: 3,000 years ago would be Greece.

Tia: correct and let's compare it with the opulent society and a democratic society that you have now.

Russ: okay.

Tia: you have this democratic country with lots of states and city states that send people to their capital as a way of paying tribute to the democratic system. Eventually it grows and it gets corrupted and it falls to pieces and then it becomes history. Along comes another society which is slightly feudalistic that still has a Senate and a house and is still democratic to a certain extent being the Roman Empire. That grows opulent and then corrupted and fat and bloated and all that entails and it has a leader that becomes the Emperor of the Empire and then that passes away. There is a complete circle there. Go from a society that was feudalistic that becomes a democracy, it fades away and along comes a new one and the circle is completed. Now with a crash like that, that happened at the end of the Roman Empire, they descended into what they called the dark ages correct?

Russ: correct.

Tia: and I'm being coached here. The dark ages followed where there was.......literacy went to the....went out the thingy and you had a period of struggle and strife and so on and then you had a new Emperor arrive and become leader and you maintain the feudalistic type society. Now it's possible that you've gone into the democracy stage right?

Russ: right.

Tia: and it may be a bigger, longer loop than the last one.

Russ: okay, now all this stems back from originally Atlantis.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but before that it would be Sirius because we see that same situation now with the democratic society of Greece in place in Sirius with the Council and its leader of the Council.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and apparently they have reached the utopia that the settlers of Atlantis were attempting to create.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now instead of creating the utopia they wished, I'm sure that Atlantis, we could see similar signs of it in now where they had a democratic stage of which Maxxus and Naxxus were part of.....

(Editor's note: brothers who had migrated from Sirius and had been Mark and myself in a former life)
Tia: correct.

Russ: which we've already seen examples of.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: going into the corruption stage which we saw with basically the technology and the religions coming and clashing. And then we see the final destruction of Atlantis with the dark ages to follow being circled into Greece where we start the whole cycle again.

Tia: correct, pretty much so. I'm not really the person to answer. I mean it does fit in with my predictions.

Russ: well we're working on the future and you're the person I talk to on future. I was kind of skipping around from past and trying to find the circles so it's kind of a joint effort here I think.

Tia: yeah well it's more going to be along the lines of all three of us learn at this point.

Russ: okay.

Tia: now the future is set by certain factors that are going to occur.

Russ: correct.

Tia: in the past it was warfare that destroyed the empires.

Russ: correct.

Tia: in today's global society, I think it's going to be more social and economic problems that are going to destroy the empires. And I'm not referring to the countries as empires but of corporations such as let me see......the Hanson Corporation, one of the biggest on the planet.

Russ: never even heard of it.

Tia: it owns quite a few businesses believe you me.

Russ: okay.

Tia: now let us take one of these big, fine corporations right?

Russ: okay.

Tia: and let's say the corporation goes bankrupt..........

Russ: all right.

Tia: and a corporation that has offices all over the world. What would happen in let's say your country if the Hanson Corporation that has major offices in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Miami and probably a few other places but let's say it went bankrupt?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: how would it affect your country?

Russ: well not very much because there would be a power vacuum, there'd be other companies stepping in to take up the slack.

Tia: but for a brief moment there would be problems.

Russ: yeah, for a brief moment.

Tia: uh-huh maybe a week or so.

Russ: depends on how much preparation time there is.

Tia: here's the problem you see. The Hanson Corporation is a big, big investor in financial institutes.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now let's go back to that and say...let's say it goes bankrupt or it falls to pieces and dissolves. What happens then?

Karen: people sell out of the company.

Tia: uh-huh exactly. People sell out of the Hanson Corporation and the Dow goes down and the effect that it has on corporations, it is part owners in American Airlines, well not part owners but part investor in American airlines. It is part investor in Boeing, it is a part investor in IBM, it is a part investor not mobile....not BP...Shell. It's a part owner in Exxon. It is a part owner in Macy's, Safeway...or part investor. All those comments are part investors.......goes bankrupt, we've just affected every facet of life.

Russ: hmm affected but unless there was a domino effect from that which is theoretically possible.......

Tia: oh very possible.

Russ: then it would only be a minimal effect, scenario A.

(from the Defcon section)

Tia: correct. Now let us say that the Hanson Corporation takes another......let's say there is an attempt at a hostile takeover.

Russ: okay.

Tia: let's say from something like Linford Corporation.

Russ: okay.

Tia: no better yet Westinghouse.

Russ: all right.

Tia: okay? And they fight it out and both corporations bankrupt themselves fighting it out.

Russ: I don't think....they couldn't fight each other out or bankrupt each other out.

Tia: why not?

Russ: because of the fact that the monies involved are not their own monies, that they're involved from the investor's point of view. So the investors would have to agree to take a chance to go bankrupt and investors don't tend to do that.

Tia: no they tend to pull out when that threat happens.

Russ: right.

Tia: and in turn they make the corporation go bankrupt. They don't go bankrupt the investors, the corporations do. The corporations crash and......(smacks her hands together)

Russ: well that clears it up.

Tia: okay now let us sidestep a little from the corporation issue and look at inflation. In the past six years inflation has been climbing, steadily and unnoticed. At the moment I believe it's at 6% which is supposedly acceptable. But if you look back in history to 1988 when there was the crash right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: that was caused by inflation. But the root cause of the crash back then has not been properly addressed due to the fact that nobody on your planet really understands what caused the increase in inflation.

Russ: well we didn't realize there was a crash until like two weeks later.

Tia: uh-huh exactly but it was only a mini-crash compared to what could happen. But if you look at the minicrash of '88, the Dow was going crazy setting new records on a daily basis which has similarities to 1929 and all other crashes before that. And what actually happens is on profit taking days right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: people expect to pull out their money and it's normally towards the end of the week to make a profit so that they can reinvest at a depressed rate on Monday morning. Now let us idly suppose that factors occurring in an economic and governmental body causes problems. See this is exactly what the stock market likes. The government is tied up fighting itself. They want public inquiries, they want to know what's going on and for the stock market this is great, ideal situation to grow. But what happens when all this settles down and the government starts to work again properly? They see that inflation has gone haywire so they try to curb inflation and to stop growth and to slow things down and bing, stock market goes crash, corporations go bankrupt, companies go bankrupt, investors go bankrupt and you have 1929 all over again but on a much larger scale because this time it's not just a country's economic catastrophe and at the time, barely a world power. This time it's international because corporations are invested in corporations from overseas, from all over the place. So the corporations involved in overseas affairs that go bankrupt cause a drain on the economies of other countries which in turn dominoes. So the thing to watch out for is the government getting active again. Pray that this governmental debacle continues because when it doesn't and when it gets back to normality or their definition of normality and they see that inflation has increased to let's say 8 or 9%, they want to decrease inflation and interfere, overbalance, overbalances force people to withdraw from the stock market, stock market gets depressed, corporations suffer, corporations suffer overseas and so on.

Russ: okay, hmm, good warning sign.

Tia: uh-hmm, so let's hope that it continues.

Russ: we'll keep those happy thoughts.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Well let's go through a couple extra speakers tonight because she's kind of on a tight schedule.

Tia: okay, okay. I suppose you want to talk to Omal now?

Russ: generally.

Tia: okay.

Russ: thank you Tia, we'll be back with you in a little while.

Tia: yes I'll be back, I'm ring mistress.

Russ: okay.

Tia: let me get my whip and chair.

(says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Omal comes on as the next speaker)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Karen, greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Karen: greetings.

Russ: all right, well that was a cheery little note from Tia.

Omal: yes she is a ray of sunshine. It amazes me that she manages to maintain a bouncy, bubbly personality when she gives gloomy information.

Russ: yeah leaves me going kind of uh-oh. All right, currently.....well I'm working a little bit on as I was mentioning the past and who would I work on with that? Would that be yourself?

Omal: myself or Korton.

Russ: and Korton's not here tonight.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so we'll work on it with you.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay so we saw as we mentioned Atlantis leading into Greece.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now is that the only time from Greece til now....or Greece, Roman, dark ages to now that we've seen the cycle happen?

Omal: no.

Russ: what was the one between that then?

Omal: while there are certain cultures that even though they have a King or an Emperor, have a democratic system. For example Charlemagne in 801.

Russ: uh-hmm.

Omal: he had a feudalistic society with Democratic leanings.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Omal: let us move on to the British Commonwealth and the British Empire. They had a democratic system sort of that was a Emperor or King or Queen or Empress that ruled over the country but had representatives from the people and that started in about 1600. Let us shop around again in the Orient. India had a semi-democratic system. Democratic societies are not new. They can be traced back through thousands of years through elected individuals that act on a lifetime capacity. Yes?

Russ: I was going to say, so essentially what we're looking at is each person trying to re-create what we came to this planet for in the first place?

Omal: correct, the ideal utopia.

Russ: correct, it's in our genes as a built-in program.

Omal: yes, it is something that was set in motion many thousands of years ago. It was deduced at the time of the failing of Atlantis that it would not have worked at all on your planet with the group of individuals that had come. Admittedly that they were a bunch of religious dissidents that wanted freedom and political dissidents and they wanted to create the ideal society. But the lesson that they did not learn was all's they had to do was wait on their home planet. They were impatient, imperfect and not ready for what was to come so they tried to create their version of it knowing that it was to come on a planet that was young and new in their opinion. They did not have the rigid structure that was necessary for the advancement. A society that has a rigid system of classes has a far better chance of an economic and spiritual development. You take the United Kingdom or any country in Europe including Japan. Look at their feudalistic society and how it shaped their current society. The ideal society to look at would not be so much as the United Kingdom as Japan but you can compare both of them as they are equally alike to give you an idea on how things should work. You have a feudal society where you have the Emperor. The Emperor has his ministers and their ministers have the Lords that control the land. Together they work together and create a society where everybody knows their place. A few hundred years pass, the start of the 20th century and a democracy with a hereditary Emperor or King or Queen is in existence with a Democratic system. The monarchy or Emperor is a figurehead in essence that they have the power to veto only if it is absolutely necessary. It is their government but the government controls how much they receive so therefore they do as the government says. The people in the society understand their places and how it works. It is alike your internal combustion engine, each part plays an important part in the functioning of the engine. From the spark plug, to the wiring that gives the electrical ignition to the oil that keeps the engine lubricated to the cooling system that keeps it cool so it does not overheat, everything has an important part to play and societies are like that. A rigid society has a much better chance of advancing to a spiritual development then a society that has free will and has no clear focus. For example, what is the focus or the goal of your country for the next hundred years?

Russ: there is none, basically just make money and be successful and have fun.

Omal: what is the goal of the Japanese society?

Russ: it's changing more to our goal though now than it used to be.

Omal: how about let us say Germany?

Russ: hmm, since the unification?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I'd say that'd be more closer to what we're looking at.

Omal: correct. A society that is rigid and yet has a definite goal on where it wishes to go.

Russ: right.

Omal: the development of higher technology to improve the society and the surrounding areas to affect a more easy lifestyle whereas your country is decided towards making more money which is not a goal but a loop.

Russ: right, now but we are more spiritually inclined than Germany is.

Omal: more spiritually diversified.

Russ: well the New Age has a bigger following here let's say.

Omal: yes but it does not matter if it is a New Age or the Christian religions or old age religions, it matters on whether society is focused on a goal.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: the spirituality comes with that. It is advantageous to have lots of free time and to be able to have the necessary currency to have that free time but it is also important to have a goal.

Russ: so that's why what we're looking at in the future here is one of the keys for gaining that spiritual upliftment.

Omal: correct.

Russ: got it, okay.

Omal: young lady, do you have a question?

Karen: no, it was there but now it's not.

Omal: do not worry, relax and feel free to interrupt.

Russ: please do, I just had some stuff I had to get through real quick for the webpage to put on there.

Karen: no I was just curious. I mean spiritually everyone should be more or less on the same wavelength if they're allowing certain thoughts into their head and believing what they're hearing, am I not right?.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: I would beg to differ. It is up to the individual to decide where they wish to go with their spirituality but that is a personal opinion. It works well up here on the base but we're not a democracy.

Russ: you're an autocrat? Autocracy?

Omal: we are an autocratic society.

Russ: autocratic society, that's what I meant.

Omal: I am the base commander, I make the laws.

Karen: that's a good job.

Omal: it is a hard job. I envy you having the freedom to wander around, to be dormant when you wish to be dormant. To be able to stand outside in the rain and feel the rain on your face. I envy your freedom and your lack of responsibility.

Russ: now one thing we mentioned in the webpage recently that I did up was the subject on ego.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and Tia, who I think it was who is working with me on this, mentioned that yourself, Ashtar, Sananda, Korton and all of us have an ego but yours is a superego.

Omal: you have superego also.

Russ: but what makes mine different from yours?

Omal: nothing apart from mine plays more an important role in who I am. Your superego is subordinate to your normal ego. With myself it is reversed, the higher you evolve, the more important a superego becomes. A superego is the inside that tells you that what you have done is good and it feels good. It tells you when you have done something wrong and it makes you feel the wrong. A superego tells you that something is good or bad, it makes you feel the actions and it makes you feel the rewards. It makes you act in a particular way with the confidence necessary to be a base commander, to be a department head. it gives you that confidence that when you're in your field as I am. It gives you the tone in your voice, it gives you your mannerisms, the way that you carry yourself, the way that you behave towards others with respect and deference. It gives you the air that you need to be comfortable and confident.

Russ: so for example with the lighting at the racetrack? It gave you the confidence to know that that was how it was supposed to be?

(for the tri-base ski races)

Omal: actually that was an idea that had been discarded by the organizer.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: due to the fact that he thought it could not be done.

Karen: can't we use that in our everyday lives as well?

Omal: yes you can.

Karen: I mean don't we feel like....well I think I can go climb that mountain and that's more or less saying that I can and that's like your superego taking over?

Omal: yes it is but you use your superegos occasionally.

Russ: so does the superego control you or you control it?

Omal: both.

Karen: it's a pinball game.

(a computer game her and I had been playing)

Omal: that is a third dimensional ego.

Karen: I'm sorry. (laughs)

Russ: I see what you mean.

Omal: superego gives you the confidence to concede that somebody is better at something than you and to accept it with confidence or the confidence to concede that you are better than somebody and they have the opportunity to be able to catch you up and you to pay respect when they catch you and in their attempting to try as opposed to putting them down, laughing at them, joking. So it is both of you if the report that I am having recently that need to learn how to control your egos in this manner.

Russ: well I did say good job.

Karen: and I did almost succeed and just tell him that he was better than me and tell him why he was better than me. It's so funny.

Russ: so I see what you mean okay, so the superego does play a role and the key here that we're looking at then is letting it play a more important role.

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: the development on a spiritual level is when the superego comes into play. It is good to be competitive, after all the example of this recent tri-base event is a good example of competitive nature. There was nobody standing up and saying, "I beat you, I'm better than you." It is all, "better luck next year. See you next year, looking forward to racing against you, may the best person win."

Karen: almost like fencing?

Omal: hmmm.

Karen: etiquette.

Omal: yes etiquette, politeness and it is very important.

Russ: hmm, thank you, it is important. Okay, well being as I'm sure you're on a schedule and stuff I'm not going to hold you up for any more questions on my end.

Omal: thank you, young lady?

Karen: yes.

Omal: do you have a question?

Karen: no, not that I can think of right now.

Omal: okay thank you.

Karen: thank you.

Omal: live long, prosper and it would not be a channeling session without me saying, "I'll be back".

(Tia returns)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: actually that was the perfect point to leave it on, on the note with the superego, I like that.

Karen: I liked it.

Russ: good point to close it with.

Tia: okay, I'll put on the next person.

Russ: okay love.

Tia: okay, see you guys in a few.

Russ: bye.

(Tia says bye in Durondedunn)

(Karra jumps on)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: hi, how's it going dear?

Russ: Karen, Karra, Karra, Karen.

Karra: hi Karen, it's a pleasure to meet you finally, to be able to talk to you with the aid of another voice. If I could talk to you in person it would be much easier.

Karen. I'm sure of it.

Karra: and I must apologize for communicating....(coughs) still hasn't fully recovered has he?

Russ: he is still working on it.

Karra: uh-huh but I must confess I did interfere in that matter with Omal.

Russ: which one? Oh speeding it up?

Karra: no with the bit concerning the pinball.

Russ: oh.

Karra: I did brief him when you brought it up.

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: it is something that I've tried to tell you to relax about and do you listen?

Russ: yes, I have.....

Karen: after he rubbed it in.

Russ: after I had the 11 million I relaxed really well.

(online game score I had achieved)

Karra: Rasta beat this score, Rasta I did, Rasta again, Rasta rules. Most at the top with Rasta who.

(my online game handle at the time)

Russ: and it was a perfect lesson.

Karen: yeah it was.

Russ: and I learned from it thank you my darling.

Karra: yes, if you insist. But let us move on, we're not here to debate the merits of pinball.....

Karen: true.

Karra: however much he wishes to do so.

Russ: no problem, oh is Alana coming on tonight later?

Karra: yes she will be available.

Russ: okay thank you. All right, Karen here used to be a nurse.

Karra: oh yes, yes I do know.

Russ: has a bit of experience in that field and so I figured that you guys would hit it off for a while.

Karra: uh-huh, military nurse weren't you?

Karen: well no actually I did it right out of high school.

Karra: oh, just some reason I was under the impression that you had a military background.

Russ: it was the picture.....

(a picture that Karra had seen through my eyes of Karen in uniform)

Karen: yeah that's from an ROTC program that I was in and became second lieutenant in the Air Force.

Karra: oh.

Karen: it was pretty tight.

Karra: doing what in the Air Force?

Karen: I was operations officer and drill team commander.

Karra: oh, okay now I understand. For some reason I was confused, I thought you were a nurse in the services.

Karen: no, to get out of high school I decided to go to nursing college and be a nurse that way.

Karra: oh, I was a what you would call a battlefield medic in my youth. Well when I was younger anyway.

Karen: it's almost like the Florence Nightingale that I was talking about with Mark.

Karra:  hmmm, yes I do understand the Florence Nightingale concept. Myself I was always been capable of healing. Russ will tell you that my hands up here are constantly warm and I can funnel and focus energy. Hang on.....let me....can you put your hand out? Let me just feel the warmth being generated from Mark's hand. Now when it comes to cuts and scrapes I can accelerate the process. We have a feline around here that has proven without a shadow of a doubt that a group of minds can heal. He was used as a test case to demonstrate the functions of a healing meta-concert. I don't see him around anywhere at the moment.

Russ: he's outside right now.

Karra: a prime example of using healing energy. You as a nurse will know that the most powerful healing tool is the mind and the feeling of affection for that purpose. The necessary drive to help, to heal and I try to do that in every aspect of my life.

Karen: I think there's a lot of compassion that's needed to actually heal.

Karra: yes it's very important when healing to have the desire. If it is a job then it is not healing, it is just helping somebody to feel better.

Karen: that's it.

Karra: and the reward of healing is not any fiscal rewards, it is the joy of seeing somebody get up and walk away. Even if they don't thank you, the fact that they are mobile and laughing and that they can go on and help somebody else is reward enough. We don't have a currency system up here. I give my services as a medic freely, it is a calling not a job.

Karen: well that's the way it should be.

Karra: uh-huh.

Karen: especially when it costs you a couple of thousand here it's kind of ridiculous.

Karra: yes you're paying for the privilege of being cared for and in my opinion that's not good.

Russ: doesn't that affect the healing in itself in the fact that you're having to pay and you are more worried about what this is going to cost you than getting better and won't that kind of hold back the healing process?

Karra: I don't know, I don't know. You're asking me to think in a fiscal way which as I've said in the past dear, I don't understand.

Russ: well it's just a concept I just thought of.

Karen: right because I mean I know I've laid in the hospital myself trying to be healed by doctors and it's like, "boy this is going to cost me an arm and a leg when I get out" and so like...I mean you're just constantly worried on that extent to where you just make yourself sicker or just give yourself an ulcer.

Karra: that's a strange analogy for what it costs, an arm and a leg.

(Karen laughs)

Karen: I'm sorry?

Karra: healers don't do that.

Karen: well....

Russ: "ah which would you like to lose there?"

Karen: the right and the's but that's costs way too much money to get healed here.

Karra: yes money I do not understand very well.

Karen: I mean if people could actually heal and believe that they're being...

Russ: well let's say whoever came to you to get healed had to pay you 20 cases of wine?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and when you go to heal them, they're worried more about the wine they're going to lose then actually getting healed.

Karra: yes, yes, I do understand. Kiri's whispering the concept in my ear and yes in actual fact that does hinder the healing process when you have other worries on your mind. I had a young father in here that his young lady just had a baby and he had broken his arm rock climbing and he was concerned with the fact that he wouldn't be able to go home and help her with the young baby so to ease his suffering I went and helped. The fact that it speeded up his healing process is the important thing. The fact that I took his worry of that he wouldn't be able to go home and cook his wife breakfast or change the diaper while she was off doing her job and so on because they don't believe in putting a child in the crèche. So I said, "no problem, I will take care of the child for you."

Russ: hmm....well you are a wonderful mother.

Karen: really, well that's.....

Karra: thank you.

Karen: I mean that kind of....yeah that would really ease a lot of people.

Karra: uh-huh and that is part of healing. It's not so much setting the splint, stitching the tissue, it is more soothing the spirit. Being able to make somebody feel that.......a good example is Carrie.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: four years ago, was she ready for her current assignment?

Russ: hmm.

Karra: she was a very self-centered young lady that had a wonderful boyfriend but she was not ready for what she has to do.

Russ: right.

Karra: now she's ready. A little bit hurried but she's ready.

Russ: hmm, well we'll have to get in touch with her and find out more of what's going on.

Karra: write her a epistle.

Russ: a what?

Karra: a letter.

Russ: oh.

Karra: sorry, it is an old word.

Russ: Paul's epistles, yes.

Karra: okay, let me....I'll put on the next person.

Russ: okay.

Karra: as we are hustling on the time. You have how long?

Russ: we have about 10 minutes.

Karra: okay, put on the last speaker in this cycle.

Russ: okay.

Karra: which will bring us to the end of the tape.

Russ: all right.

(Tia comes back to chat)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay, I'm going to put on the last person.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: or the last person of this part.

Russ: all right.

(Kiri takes over)

(Editors note: the following conversation regards a ceremony we had conducted to attract devas to our garden and Mark had just helped organize the tri-base competition being held at Hades Base that year against teams from Sirius and Alpha Centauri due to his organizing a similar competition in the 3rd dimension.)

Russ: morning Kiri.

Kiri: yo dudes, yep. Oh I'm fine, what can I do for you guys? Hello, you must be Karen.

Karen: yes I am.

Kiri: uh-huh and you must be.....I've never seen you before my life. Who do you think you are? Why are you hitting yourself the eye?

Russ: hi Kiri, so good to see you again after your third place win.

Kiri: thank you.

Karen: he just makes you rub it in. See I thought she did well.

Kiri: of course I did well.

Karen: of course you did well.

Russ: well what was all that laceration on your arm then?

Kiri: it's not important, it's the fact that it's the merits of winning, well coming in third actually.

Russ: I hope that's your superego talking.

Kiri: what, coming in third? It does not matter, it matters the fact that I tried and I succeeded and I came in third.

Karen: and that's right.

Kiri: where would you come in?

Karen: and she actually made it all the way through.

Russ: I would've DNF'ed you know.

Kiri: yes of course you would've DNF'ed, you're a miserable, third dimensional, mortal man.

Russ: thank you and proud of it might I add.

Kiri: good, good, good, good, good, now I've rubbed that in.

Russ: feel better?

Kiri: uh-huh, I feel much better. I felt pretty good as it is anyway. Let me see, the little strawberry blonde, I like her. She looks like fun.

Karen: Tara.

Kiri: yes.

Karen: yeah, she's a blast.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: she has a mind of her own.

Kiri: that's good, I hope she has a mind of her own.

Karen: yes she's not borrowing anybody's right now so......

Kiri: yes, Mark's body doesn't have a mind of its own at the moment.

Russ: no, Mark's body is definitely not....

Karen: a mind of its own.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's being borrowed.

Kiri: yes, so far by four people. So, what do you guys want to talk about? That is a very interesting thing that he did to you the other night.

Karen: who did do what oh?

Kiri: Mark.

Karen: Mark.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: when I hit energy.(?)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: yeah that was interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh, I watched with fascination. Couldn't hear anything, all's I could was see.

Karen: it felt really good.

Kiri: uh-huh. There was some very interesting and entertaining energy patterns. Well one in particular felt very familiar but old.

Karen: on whose part?

Kiri: the one....there was an entity floating around inside the area that felt very familiar and what were you doing sniffing each others hands?

Karen: well it was kind of funny because Mark of course you know smokes cigars.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: and I smoke as well, not cigars.

Kiri: terrible habit.

Karen: I know it's terrible, I'll quit one of these days. But...

Kiri: don't use Mark's expression of quitting when he finishes breathing.

Karen: no, no. But none of our hands smelled like cigarette smoke. As a matter of fact, Mark's smelled like...first it smelled like deer and then it smelled like flowers, almost like a cologne and so did mine and I hadn't even put any on. I thought that was really kind of strange.....

Kiri: what entities did you have floating around? Deer would be....hold on.

Russ: Diana and...

Karen: Herne.

Russ: Herne.

Kiri: oh those two, okay yeah I was about....

Russ: yeah, that would be the deer and the flowers.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: though I don't know where the flowers come with Diana, she's one of the hunters herself.

Kiri: isn't she...




(Kiri is back for side two)

Kiri: uh-huh, the mother goddess, the Huntress goddess.

Russ: no, the Huntress goddess. The mother goddess would be Hera.

Kiri: yeah but in in pre-Grecian period.....I'm trying to drag up a past life memory here.

Russ: boy that's out there.

Kiri: yes, but she was.....

Russ: I know what you're working on but I can't tell you what it is.

Kiri: uh-huh, fertility and flowers was also involved there somewhere so that's probably where the flowers came from. Herne is an animal God?

Russ: right.

Kiri: with...

Russ: God of the forest.

Kiri: yeah, ears...ears and horns.

Karen: right.

Kiri: so that's where the deer smell came from okay, just needed to get to the bottom of that. But yes I watched but couldn't hear.

Karen: I couldn't figure out who else was in there though.

Kiri: there might have been minor devas kicking around.

Russ: so that's a manifestation on a physical realm.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: takes a lot of energy.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: who's energy?

Kiri: their energy.

Russ: their energy?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that's a pretty powerful kick.

Kiri: oh yes.

Russ: whole lot of watts.

Kiri: uh-huh. From what I saw up here it looked incredibly bright, incredibly bright in there.

Karen: it was very bright.

Kiri: uh-huh, and both of you guys looked very luminous and very bright and bouncy.

Karen: I was trying to pull from anywhere I could at that time.

Kiri: uh-huh and I think there was plenty of energy flowing around.

Karen: oh there definitely was, I still want to know who was trying to hit me in the back though.

Kiri: I'll have to look and see what was going on and watch the energy patterns and the auras floating around because there were a lot of auras floating around.

Russ: hmm, you got it on tape?

Kiri: yep, well we got it on disk actually.

Russ: oh on disk?

Kiri: but the thing that surprised me was that Mark was like a lighthouse.

Karen: that's because he was filling me with energy.

Kiri: no, before the whole entire thing he was walking around, he was like that far off the ground just walking around. And it was like when he came up the stairs watching him listening to his inner voice and it was's hard to describe. Surprised me how powerful he was.

Karen: maybe it was because he was feeling good?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: because Tara had just left and she was coming back.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: so he was probably on top of the world, well sort of saying..

Kiri: uh-huh. There's a lot of interest between those two.

Karen: yeah, they get along really well, Tara really likes his voice.

Kiri: yes he does have an interesting voice doesn't he?

Karen: yeah, it's very intriguing.

Russ: so is he relaxing now that the races are over?

Kiri: well you've seen him in the last couple days, he's actually been laughing and joking.

(Tia pops her head into the channeling field to scold the cat in Durondedunn but edited out due to the volume)

Kiri: and we'll get Tia to butt out as well. I wish she wouldn't do that you know, that hurts me when she sticks her head in and shouts at a cat. Caught me totally by surprise.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: okay now where was I before Tia interrupted and I had to move the cat?

Russ: Mark being relaxed.

Kiri: oh yes, we'll get his body relaxed again.

Russ: good and the races went off well, everybody was very impressed I'm sure with the whole.....

Kiri: I think Mark deserves an award for the best executed races. Put a lot of hard work into that.

Russ: well is there going to be like a little party for the organizers and the volunteers?

Kiri: I don't think Mark wants one.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: anyway let us continue, we're being frivolous and wasting time.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay now let me explain a little bit about myself Karen, I am an engineer and a coercer and I do like your antique that you drive around in.

Karen: you like that huh?

Kiri: uh-huh, it's a beautiful piece of earth machinery.

Karen: it's quite loud right about now.

Kiri: oh that's no problem, that can be easily remedied.

Karen: oh sure, if I get a new muffler for it.

Kiri: you can improvise and figure something out, Coke cans work extremely well.

Karen: I thought about something close to that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Karen: because that's my best bet right now. Plus I don't have to buy something that's not needed.

Kiri: that's correct. So I'm a coercer, engineer....I have an interest in as I pointed out, antique automobiles. I design toys.

Karen: do you?

Kiri: yes.

(Russ starts laughing)

Karen: why are you laughing?

Kiri: because he has a mind that's in a sewer.

Karen: oh those toys?

Kiri: no I don't design those toys.

Russ: no, she could but she doesn't.

Kiri: yes, I could design some very good ones.

Karen: you could just sell them so.

Kiri: so I've heard.

Russ: it's not in a sewer.

Kiri: no it's below a sewer.

Karen: no I didn't say you were going to sell them in a sewer.

Kiri: below the sewer his mind is. No I build robots and so on, artificial intelligence. For example, somebody has a very fond interest in a certain Energizer bunny.

Karen: oh I've heard.....yes, I've heard mentioned the Energizer bunny very, very often.

Russ: it's just a joke.

Kiri: uh-huh he's very fond of the Energizer bunny.

Karen: well I like the Energizer bunny.

Kiri: so I made him one. It's voice-activated to two voices only, mine and his, the battery has a life expectancy of 15 years, that's continuous use.

Russ: or you can turn it off.

Kiri: if you switch it off, it will probably last I should say maybe 30 years. My big sister can't switch it off. You grab it, it reacts in certain ways. Now I've just completed a bigger version so you get yours back.

Russ: yeah. (chuckles)

Kiri: you sound very enthusiastic about that.

Russ: well Karra sounds very enthusiastic about it.

(long-running joke about an unstoppable rabbit running around between apartments)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: there is an echo in my head...Yeah!!

Kiri: so, you'll get your rabbit you have any questions for me? I also have a little religious knowledge.

Karen: religious knowledge?

Kiri: which is a dangerous thing.

Karen: well it is kind of sort of.

Kiri: I'm being sarcastic at myself.

Russ: well she has to be getting cruising here so.....

Kiri: okay.

Karen: cruise?

Russ: cruising.

Karen: yeah I need to get going.

Kiri: okay well we'll put it on hold whilst Russ sees you to the door....

(the tape ends and begins again)

Russ: yeah, I like that.

Kiri: Tia apologized.

Russ: ahhh no worries, I didn't even notice it.

Kiri: what the big "Frough".
Russ: yeah well I thought it was just you faking it.

Kiri: no it was Tia, she stuck her head right in and she watch the cat come in, saw the tail and then all of a sudden the tail just came right across and Tia just stuck her head in and went Frough. Did you hear the acid in her voice?

Russ: it went shooting outside soon as I got the door open.

Kiri: there was acid in her voice.

Russ: right.

Kiri: she says that she doesn't like cats manipulating or messing with the energy flows. Okay.

Russ: oh, let me check my tea.

(Alana comes in as scheduled)

(one of the website readers had contacted me for help with a dolphin shot by local fishermen in Norway. Alana, Karra's daughter, is the resident dolphin expert on the base)

Russ: and hello Alana.

Alana: hey, how's it going?

Russ: going good my love, how are you doing?

Alana: oh I'm all right.

Russ: did you go watch the races?

Alana: yeah I enjoyed it.

Russ: yeah?

Alana: I thought it was funny with all the cats milling around.

(the base's cat population gathered at one point to watch the races)

Russ: yeah that was a pretty good story, I liked that one.

Alana: uh-huh, yes they apparently reserved themselves a whole section in the seating.

Russ: how'd the dolphins love the attention from all the various racers all hanging out on the beaches?

Alana: well they enjoyed watching them sunbathing and being fed by hand and swimming with them and some of the young children that were there they let them ride around on their back, they enjoyed themselves tremendously.

Russ: oh wonderful, good. A good time was had by all.

Alana: oh yes, certainly. The only complaints that the dolphins had was that a certain group of Sirians that decided to keep their white wine cooled in their favorite area, their favorite watching area. They didn't like that at all.

Russ: I can imagine.

Alana: and they couldn't flick them out of the water properly because they were concerned about breaking the bottles so they stole them.

Russ: (laughs)

Alana: took them to the far end of the lake and then made the Sirians that had left them there go and fetch them from the far end. Made one person late for his race actually.

Russ: serves them right.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, has your mom given any updates about our latest work with Norway?

Alana: yes some, some but I've not been at my peak.

Russ: I'm sorry to hear that.

Alana: oh that's quite all right.

Russ: kind of under the weather are you?

Alana: just a tad.

Russ: oh, okay. No we have a particular dolphin who seems to be hanging around a particular I guess port or....

Alana: oh yes, mother did tell me.

Russ: right and near my...

Alana: uh-huh, she cried.

Russ: yeah because it had been shot at and had some bullet wounds and stuff.

Alana: I cried.

Russ: I don't blame you.

Alana: see if you can get a physical address from this person and I will give you a recipe to send to him.

Russ: okay.

Alana: okay?

Russ: well they call him Flipper.

Alana: oh very original......

Russ: that's what he said.

Alana: very original.

Russ: and what he's been asked to write a little thing about Flipper to....

Alana: okay let's address this matter at hand as we have limited time to deal with it.

Russ: okay.

Alana: okay, first of all is, what he should do is go to his nearest store first of all he should contact a research Institute of oceanographics. Get some antibiotics for the dolphin, general well-being antibiotics to make it feel better. Then go and buy a whole salmon as it probably likes salmon, hence the reason why the fishermen have been shooting at it. On the inside, smear the antibiotics on the inside and give it to quote unquote, Flipper. What a name.

Russ: hey, they're from Norway okay?

Alana: okay, when he contacts a oceanographic research institute, send a copy of his letter that he writes to them to the local newspaper.

Russ: okay.

Alana: about saying how concerned he is about the dolphin. Also send a letter to a local newspaper, another one, talking about how great it is to have a dolphin in the area and how saddening it is to see that it's being shot at by the local fishermen and he understands the fact that their local fishermen are concerned that he's eating their fish. But also point out that he's keeping away other predatory animals such as sharks.

Russ: okay.

Alana: and the fact that the potential of having a dolphin there is a useful tool for the fishermen to take tourists out to go fishing and also to meet the dolphin.

Russ: yeah, I've suggested that.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: now his question is, why is the dolphin there?

Alana: it has a purpose. Without me talking to the dolphin it's hard to tell. Without.....wait a second, can you get a description of the dolphin?

Russ: yeah sure, that's easy.

Alana: uh-huh, if it's a bluish color with white stripes especially kind of the Egyptian type stripes on the eyes right?

Russ: (writes in my notepad) bluish with white stripes....

Alana: by the eyes, the Egyptian type. And if it has a slightly crooked fin, I think you might know who it is.

Russ: .....eyes and crooked fin. Why would I know who it is?

Alana: remember the one that we returned?

(from the mission to bring a willing pod of third dimensional dolphins to the base I had helped complete)

Russ: oh yeah, right.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought we got that out of the Pacific.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: well this is in Norway.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: where did you guys return it to?

Alana: we returned it to the exact location but that doesn't mean to say that it hasn't gone off elsewhere. Maybe its time up here served a purpose? I'm thinking that it was up here for a reason. I'm thinking that this Flipper has a very, very important part to play on your planet, especially in the country of Norway.

Russ: well let me get a description on this little guy and see what I find out some more about him.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: interesting, that would be very interesting.

Alana: yes it would be because if it is our dolphin and it is there, then the spirituality up here has rubbed off and it is trying to help the humans by drawing attention to its plight, it draws its attention to all dolphin's plight. Hmmm....ohh my stomach's a little unsettled.

Russ: I'll work on that. Okay one last thing and then we're going to cut loose?

Alana: okay.

Russ: hmm, origination of whales.

Alana: origination of whales, they are actually indigenous to your planet.

Russ: they are, that's what I thought?

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: Karra kind of gave me a little tip on that.

Alana: they are indigenous to your planet, orcas are and are not. Like the primates on your planet are related to you, like the original earthlings, not the Lemurians or the Atlanteans, the humanoid life form that was on your planet is related or similar to our species but not related because it's indigenous to your planet and we're indigenous to ours but there are similarities.

Russ: there's a mix.

Alana: uh-huh. Your current race is a mix of us and the original earthlings.

Russ: right, so are the orcas?

Alana: correct.

Russ: what other race are they mixed with what though?

Alana: there's a species of orca that was different. There are traces of it in the fossil record.

Russ: oh, but now it's smarter and.....

Alana: much smarter. Much more friendlier as well.

Russ: still as ferocious and predatory as its predecessor.

Alana: no, it's less ferocious.

Russ: I mean it has those same instincts.

Alana: yes but then they're much more....they won't hurt certain animals. Mainly land-based animals.

Russ: interesting.

Alana: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Alana: and they're not ferocious and predatory, they go for survival. Now the little groups that are ferocious and predatory that attack seals and so on are kind of nearer to the strain of the original indigenous inhabitants.

Russ: ahh, now I have trouble believing that whales are indigenous to our planet but not indigenous to anywhere else. They have to be spread out along the galaxy.

Alana: oh there are species and different types of whales spread out through the galaxy but your whales are solely, the blue whales, the right whales and so on, they're indigenous to your planet only. There are other whales or whale-like creatures that have no resemblance to your whales.

Russ: interesting.

Alana: they are more birdlike, their flippers are bigger, there are some planets that have huge creatures like that, there are some planets that have more dolphin sized type whales that are more canine like, more like the dolphins.

Russ: interesting. I think we got a pretty special group on ours.

Alana pretty special group all over the place. Anyway.....

Russ: all right.

Alana: bye hon.

Russ: bye sweetheart.

(Tia stops in quickly)

Tia: okay last person.

Russ: okay bye.

(says bye in Durondedunn twice)

(Lyka bursts onto the scene)

Lyka: hey buddy.

Russ: hey what's up?

Lyka: so how's it going?

Russ: good Lyka, how you been doing darling?

Lyka: fine.

Russ: kicked butt today I hear huh?

Lyka: yeah.

Russ: get some serious down, out, no hold back whatsoever.

Lyka: hey, I did good.

Russ: good job girl, I'm proud of you.

Lyka: thank you.

Russ: it was so nice to see you on the list for the gold and nice to put it on the webpage.

Lyka: thank you, did best.

Russ: I have no doubt, no doubt.

Lyka: my current testosterone balance certainly have....

Russ: (laughs) and we were a little worried about that testosterone balance affecting your racing ability, particularly your....

Lyka: it made me more aggressive, still am very aggressive.

Russ: I thought you may be a little more top-heavy than you were used to before.

Lyka: that was a problem but I'm still the %#$&*@# best.

Russ: good girl.

Lyka: pardon me, didn't mean to use....

Russ: that's all right, I understand.

Lyka: still having problems with the testosterone.

Russ: I understand and hey, it's going to make you a much better warrior I think when you go off on this next trip coming up.

Lyka: yeah you bet, yeah. They were going to give me medication to tone it down but uh-uh, don't need it.

Russ: oh no, now whose arms have you broken lately?

Lyka: I haven't broken anybody's arms this week so far but you want to be the first?

Russ: the week's still early.

Lyka: you want to arm wrestle?

Russ: darling, not in Mark's body.

Lyka: I'd still beat you.

Russ: you might, you might, you might. Over that much mileage, you still might pull it off.

Lyka: uh-huh, you better believe it buster.

Russ: well I'm sure this is just a phase you're going through.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: typical phase is it?

Lyka: no.

Russ: I didn't think so, I didn't think all Sirians go through this, it's just that...

Lyka: it's because I eat meat.

Russ: raw meat probably at this point.

Lyka: you want me to break something?

Russ: just throw something at you, "here, here some raw meat, oh don't go near her."

Lyka: come here buster.

Russ: I can't wait to see you when you get off and really get going here.

Lyka: you're pushing it aren't you?

Russ: oh I will come up there sometime though and we'll have to do some laser tag or something.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: that would be kind of fun. So any....

(Tia saves the day)

Tia: I'm sorry Russ, I had pull her out, she was getting pumped up there.

Russ: yeah I could see that.

Tia: uh-huh. She had Mark's fists clenched and I'm sort of like watching the impulse for the arm and her arms. Fists had developed and it was getting ready to go back and go whack.

Russ: she needs to tone down the caffeine a little bit I think there.

Tia: no, that is exactly how she is.

Russ: Jesus, that's 24 seven right?

Tia: sorry?

Russ: 24 hours, seven days a week?

Tia: uh-huh, pretty much so.

Russ: poor girl.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: how long is this going to last?

Tia: I should say probably about another month or so.

Russ: another month?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh that poor girl, when is she going off on her trip?

Tia: in May.

Russ: shall never make it.

Tia: yes she will.

Russ: what, a month of this?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: she'll be tearing the base up.

Tia: no, she spends quite a bit of her time down the barracks.

Russ: she doesn't spend time in the room anymore?

(she had been staying with Tia, Mark and Kiri while on base)

Tia: no.

Russ: a little too pumped up for that.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh. She runs about 20 miles a day as well.

Russ: geeze.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well no wonder she won first place.

Tia: oh yeah, she's in fighting fit condition.

Russ: I'm surprised she only picked up sixth place in the all....

Tia: she doesn't have...she used her downhill skis whereas Kiri used her GS skis.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: so she couldn't get into the gates quick enough in the bottom.

Russ: but she had the speed, she just couldn't keep the speed up when she went in the turns.

Tia: that's correct.

Russ: I get it.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh man.

Tia: it's funny actually, this fan jumped over the corral area, gave her a big hug and you do know what she did?

Russ: hmm?

Tia: "Bap".

Russ: she hit her?

Tia: uh-huh, knocked this fan clean out, it was a guy.

Russ: why?

Tia: was she was just pumped up and the fan grabbed her. Gave her a big hug and she just stepped back and just went "Whack" which everybody thought was absolutely hilarious.

Russ: well that must've been a great playback on Sirius.

Tia: yeah the guy deserved it you know.

Russ: yeah right.

Tia: you got somebody that's totally pumped up on testosterone in downhill right? Jump over a corral, grab them from behind to give them big hug, what do you expect? Especially a soldier as well.

Russ: where's this guy from?

Tia: he's from Sirius.

Russ: that's what I thought.

Tia: uh-huh, got totally knocked out cold. The medics just lifted him over the corral and left him in the snow.

Russ: well I can see why we didn't want to have Skip around here when she came in.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good God, she'd get pumped up and....

Tia: want to take everybody on.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh well.

Tia: yeah she just walked in, opened the door, she was in full armor and she goes, "I want to channel."

Russ: oh Jesus. I couldn't resist pumping her a little bit there.

Tia: oh God, she's pounding on the door at the moment. Kiri's just pointed....ohhh, if looks could kill.

Russ: what?

Tia: Kiri pointed out that you have to push the handle down and pull towards you and she was trying to push the door open.

Russ: oh Lord.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well I'll get up there and....

Tia: I wouldn't, I would avoid her until she's back to normal. I have the strength to control her in my hands, Kiri controls her by sheer brute of mind. Mark's the only one that has a little bit of difficulty.

Russ: God, I don't think I've seen her get quite that rowdy.

Tia: that's pure aggression from her.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well maybe it's good, she needs that in her..........this growing stage.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: we get it down here too once in a while.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: how's Mark's reading session going?

Tia: reading session?

Russ: the Cubs.....

Tia: oh the Cubs.......

Russ: Leonedies, stellar cartography or whatever it is.

Tia: quantum physics.

Russ: quantum physics of course.

Tia: uh-hmm. I believe, Kiri says that he's finishing "The Hobbit" tonight with Alex and also he's going to do quantum physics with Leonedies. The Cubs? I get the feeling that they're in bed now and asleep or they should be. I'm not getting any play from them if you know what I mean.

Russ: I'm surprised that Leonedies isn't reading to Mark quantum physics.

Tia: I think they more along the line debate it.

Russ: how could you debate Leonedies? It's not an issue of debate, it's learned. I mean the kid's got it already.

Tia: yes he does but they're dealing with the high-end. They're talking about naked singularities, singularity, points of infinity, points of irregularity.

Russ: okay, well I'm glad they're working on it. Leonedies is getting nothing out of me on those subjects.

Tia: actually, here's a little secret. Mark is very high when it comes to physics and quantum physics.

Russ: he's got me beat.

Tia: uh-huh, he understands what Stephen Hawking is talking about when he makes his comments about Einstein almost had it right or Stephen Hawking has it wrong in certain points. He is correct.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well good, they should have a good time together then.

Tia: uh-huh, Mark's IQ from what we've obtained is in actual fact an average.

Russ: hmm, average to people down here?

Tia: no, an average. It's all the questions that were asked kind of evened out to be an average.

Russ: oh.

Tia: so his...what was it 160?

Russ: that's pretty good.

Tia: yeah, I think he's 161 or something like that is an average. You get him in physics and he's somewhere like 170, 175 I believe.

Russ: where are you at as far as...?

Tia: my average is about 160, 162, three.

Russ: so you're a good match.

Tia: uh-huh but I don't debate physics with him.

Russ: no I don't either.

Tia: uh-huh because he's always right, Mr. smarty-pants and the tape's about to end.

Russ: good.

Tia: let me check. Yep, pretty close.

Russ: I haven't done any check to see what my IQ is, I'm probably around 110, 115 maybe.

Tia: I should say more like 150, that being the average being about 130.

Russ: well, it's a lot of reading.

Tia: uh-huh. Well Mark's is mainly reasoning capabilities, if you get him reasoning things out, there's no stopping him.

Russ: hmm, well I was going to work on you tonight with Karen's dreams but we're kind of short on time......

Tia: yes we are.

Russ: and I want to get through some other stuff but I'd like to work on it with you anyway.

Tia: okay let's hit on it quickly.

Russ: okay, her dreams show me, Mark and about well six people altogether.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: all headed out into this field behind us here but she says.......she keeps having it, it's over and over, the same dream.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: one time it's at night, sometimes it's the day.

Tia: okay what we want her to do is actually sit down and write it down.

Russ: she has.

Tia: okay. Write it down each time.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay? Because the wording on how she writes it is very important and it should be different from each time.

Russ: well she said like one time she was reminded to come back and grab the medical kit here.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: this medical kit in particular.

Tia: okay see, important, important fact. What she may have in her dream is a listing of what is needed. Okay tell her that each time she has it, when she can remember to, to write it down.

Russ: I think she has, usually she's got it pretty well chronicled so far as it's been a fairly important dream for her because it concerns future.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: but what do you see as.......I'm looking at this as being...

Tia: a possibility.

Russ: a strong possibility at this point.

Tia: uh-huh. I think it's going to be something to keep open.

Russ: I'm looking at the survivor phase.

Tia: there might be a reason behind it.

Russ: well now we're looking at topographic maps of the area and we're looking at basic fallback zones because of her dream up there on the mountain.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: so we're looking at various fallback zones in case this dream does come about.

Tia: okay.

Russ: which means we need to have some basic supplies, ready to go in an emergency pullout.

Tia: uh-huh. Now there is something that is important that would kill Mark if he had to leave it behind. Or let me rephrase that, leave her behind.

Russ: Joey?

(Mark's cat at the time)

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: couldn't take her with us.

Tia: no I think you could.

Russ: we have to bring a kitty cage or something.

Tia: uh-huh. Actually I think she would fit into the bottom......or the top of a backpack. I believe he's done that in the past but what you need for her is a long leash and a collar, she's going to hate it.

Russ: oh no doubt.

Tia: and Mark would hate leaving her behind.

Russ: well he sees it as a....or she sees the scene around it as snow melting, patches of snow.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so we're not looking this spring, I would say a year from this spring.

Tia: uh-huh but I suggest that Mark buys a leash and collar for Joey.

Russ: okay.

Tia: because I think it would kill him literally to leave her behind. Because Mark doesn't look upon Joey as a cat. You've heard his comments haven't you?

Russ: oh yeah, uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well what I don't get is.........

Tia: besides, it would kill Joey to be separated for a long period of time from Mark.

Russ: I agree.

Tia: and the tape should be just about ready to end, want to check?

Russ: not quite, we got a little bit of time left.

Tia: about two minutes.

Russ: two more or less.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Tia: but getting back to Joey, that is basically Mark's daughter at this time. Now could you leave Alana or no, not Alana, Miranda, Alana's sitting in front of me lifting up her T-shirt and has got a hand on her stomach. She's got one hand on her stomach.......

Russ: yes that pregnant stomach of hers.

Tia: it's not noticeable yet. But could you leave Miranda behind?

(a daughter I have with Alana, my other bondmate)

Russ: no.

Tia: or David or Michael (the twins of Karra and I) or Kevin or Klarra?

(Karra's daughter from before she met me)

Russ: no.

Tia: could Mark leave Joey behind?

Russ: no of course not.

Tia: no.

Russ: I could leave every one of my other cats here and not even blink an eye.

Tia: yes but Mark, not only did he promise, make a big promise that Joey would be taken care of, he's also got very emotionally attached to her.

Russ: well we'll fix it up with Joey.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Joey is going to hate a leash.

Tia: oh yeah.

Russ: dragging, sitting there going, dragging, dragging along.

Tia: no, Mark would carry her. If necessary, get a papoose pouch that he can wear on his chest so that he can actually reach in and stroke her.

Russ: well if it is prepared correctly beforehand that's not a problem and we might want to take some hikes with her.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: just to practice.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because we have to go up there anyway to go check out stuff in the summertime here.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: so we're going to make a few runs up there so you might want to.....we'll do it while you guys are in his head maybe.

Tia: now how in the hell are we going to figure out how to talk Mark into taking away her freedom?

Russ: we'll figure it out.

Tia: worst-case, just tell him that it's...

Russ: life or death..

Tia: life or death or leave his daughter behind. Mark does adore that cat. Who else would sit there and hand feed a sick cat and put water on his fingers so that she could lick it off when she was sick? Remember him doing that last year?

Russ: uh-huh, not me. I'm going to get some grass, scarf it down.

Tia: no she wouldn't.....nevermind.

Russ: I know, I know, I know.

Tia: yeah that was when she had her severe cold and sore throat and everything.

Russ: poor little kitty.

Tia: yeah, he adores that cat. I think he will be very upset when it's her time to go.

Russ: not for a while.

Tia: no she's got some good years in her yet.

Russ: well we got about one year left here I'd say.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: just to get everything prepped.

Tia: one year, let's say minimum.

Russ: yeah, good call.

Tia: yeah and after that it's borrowed time. When summer arrives, you've got time to prepare and get everything settled down and look at other options.

Russ: well between now and that year........

Tia: yeah.

Russ: we have to have a lot of stuff done.

Tia: uh-huh and after that it's borrowed time.

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Tia: end of tape.

Russ: not quite.

Tia: oh well.

Russ: but........

Tia: oh that's right, I keep on forgetting about the timeouts.

Russ: right now with the webpage.

Tia uh-huh.

Russ: this is going to come down to basically a chronicle of events leading up to this.

Tia: uh-huh. Now let us look at the computer hardware right? Can't let that fall into bad hands either.

Russ: no.

Tia: same procedure, bury it. You want to have individual bags that can be zip locked that are big enough to hide everything or hold everything.

Russ: yep, at least everything on disk.

Tia: uh-huh. You need at least one of those computers that is able to be accessed for the simple reason that yeah with Mark's.....I think he's going to have his emulator system set up in there so he'll be able to access your disks as....


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