GROWTH AND UNDERSTANDING IN THE

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8-26-97 & 9-2-97


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 8-26-97


Tia: uh-huh. Okay, letís get down to business. First of all, stock market. In the past two weeks it's dropped approximately 400 points, thatís one and a half percent. Nobodyís screaming and yelling blue murder at this point however there are rumors wafting around of it developing into a bear market instead of a bear slash bull market where it fluctuates and oscillates. Weíll see what happens before we start issuing general alerts.

Russ: best not to put any money in there right now I take it?

Tia: actually you could get some real good deals.

Russ: yeah, thatís probably true.

Tia: uh-huh, itís a matter of sitting and waiting. When you play the stock market, itís not get in quick and get out quick, itís get in and wait and watch and pick the right ones. Wouldn't you agree?


9-2-97


Tia: first of all, stock market update. Up 2% for a grand total of up on the day 257 points blah, blah, blah and this is quite expected but it is the biggest jump ever..........but it still hasnít recovered the 3% that it dropped. So, the stock marketís doing its thing and Iím getting tired of going over stock market things over and over again because every time I say something it happens and Iím sick and tired of it. Can you blame me? Whatís that snicker for?

Russ: well itís a dissertation, thatís a rhetorical question right?

Tia: no, itís not a rhetorical question this time.

Russ: oh, okay.

Tia: are we sick and tired of me repeating basically the same predictions over and over again?

Russ: I don't know, we've only put it in once in the webpage.

Tia: well once is enough. Okay, now, dissertation let me see. Well, growth I think is a good topic to start on, growth and understanding in development and consciousness and from my standpoint of view. 

(One of the house cats can be heard outside the slider.) 

Russ: no, I wonít let a cat in thatís making those words. So where was I, oh yesÖÖhmmmÖ


Russ: growth.

Tia: growth and development and being. Constantly learning is something that is very important, if you stop learning then you stop progressing and advancing. The necessary struggle involved in the growth is the important thing that by struggling you grow and in growing you want to grow more so it is necessary to have the correct kind of watering toÖÖ..and weíre getting sworn at.........the correct kind of stimuli is important to continue the growth in whatever avenue is necessary for the individual to choose. In doing so, they have to set themselves goals and objectives that they are consciously aware of and by being consciously aware of these goals, you can head to the objectives which in turn are nearer to the subconscious goals on where you want to go and what lessons you feel necessary to learn. For example, letís seeÖÖworking with computers as that seems to be the topic and flavor of the week. By learning new computer systems and trying to figure out problems, stimulates the mind in such a way that it becomes active and craves the necessary desire for the work to be done. As you well know Russ, constantly learning new things is very important and by doing so, you achieve a state of constant growth which is what you want. Unlike a stock market which goes through cycles of growth and retraction, growth and retraction and I deliberately repeat that as an example that it goes through a cyclical motion whereas by growing and learning, you do not go through the cyclical motion because learning one thing leads to questing and knowledge of the next thing which in turn makes you want to go to the next thing and the next thing and it constantly keeps your mind active and being regenerated in a sort of way that gives it the necessary impetus and ommph to continue on your learning quest and you do not need to go over the same lessons over and over and over again. Certainly there are some lessons that need to be repeated and hammered home, but once they have been learned, you progress on and by progressing on you move to the next objective that you set yourself. Any questions?

Russ: yeah just being born is basically starting off a cycle of growth correct?

Tia: correct but some people, they get to a point in their lives where they no longer are interested in growth, theyíre interested in only doing the same thing over and over again.

Russ: well for example, as with the stock market, doesnít that represent some people?

Tia: yes, it is a cyclical thing that they donít learn from.

Russ: well letís say they grow and then they fall back and then grow and fall back and grow and fall back.

Tia: thatís not growing. If you listen to what you said, it is not growing. They grow and fall back and then they grow again. How can you grow again you havenít learned the lessons?

Russ: well because you learn the lessons you go to a higher level.

Tia: no, no, no, no, it doesnítÖÖ..

Russ: and then fall back again.

Tia: the stock market does not work that way, the stock market is a circular system. You cannot compare it to people because it is not a person thing, it is driven by numbers and desires and bad planning, it is not something that you can compare to people.

Russ: okay.

Tia: next question.

Russ: now with each life that you go on toÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you start your next cycle of life.....

Tia: correct.

Russ: now is there a point where you come full circle?

Tia: not that Iím aware of. Because if you go full cycle, youíre back to the point where you have learned nothing and you need to relearn those lessons. So therefore it is not growth, it becomes circular at that point.

Russ: okay wellÖ..

Tia: I know where youíre trying to head.

Russ: from Atlantis?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: right.

Tia: so itís different. You see what happened right? Is that you learned all the lessons that were necessary to learn at that point.

Russ: right.

Tia: you set into motion karmic debts that needed to be sorted out and deeds that were done were driven by the necessary lessons that had been learned in saying the waiting period, this is what Iím trying to understand myself. In the waiting period you decide what you need to learn best from all those possibilities that you have created and to deal and address each one at a time so that you can advance to the next level having learned those lessons and if you donít learn them, you have to repeat them so therefore the stimuli is not there to advance you see. Having learned the lessons and getting it right, you go on to the next set of lessons. So itís not constantly falling back, youíve learned your lessons from that class so you move on to the next logical level.

Russ: the question I have though is, why is it in those lessons that we had to learn that pointÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: weíre trying to relearn them now? I.e., say with psychic skills that we had and knew of quite well in Atlantis but now weíre trying to relearn those same skills again and bring them back up to that point we were where we lost them from.

Tia: no, I donít see it that way at all.

Russ: healing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay my healing skills were much greater at that point then they are now.

Tia: yes but they were also very corrupted so they needed to be pruned so that you could not go charging off and become a great geneticist in this life and create a race of mutants. You see youíre not learning how to heal, you're learning how to deal with those moral issues.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: is it right to tamper with genes to create a race of for want of a better word slaves, which is what you did last time?

Russ: right.

Tia: so are you learning new lessons or are you learning how to be like you once were?

Russ: Iím trying to learn from that point.

Tia: thatís right.

Russ: but what about telepathy?

Tia: telepathy? You have telepathy.

Russ: not to the level I had it then.

Tia: but you do not need it.

Russ: well, sometimes you think you do.

Tia: you donít really because you donít need those lessons and the next time I get called a nasty name like that I am going to go screaming after that cat.

Russ: okay, I see what your point is.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so weíre going on toÖÖ..because it's just for some reason itís tough to picture those lessons we learned in Atlantis as lesser lessons than what weíre learning now.

Tia: no, no, no not lesser, different.

Russ: different, okay.

Tia: different.

Russ: so in another words, as okay Omal said, those were parts of the keys to the doors to the next evolutionary step.

Tia: correct.

Russ: and those keys opened up some locksÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that we are now attempting to get the keys to unlock the rest of the locks.

Tia: correct. Letís look at it a different way.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, you have these great skills in AtlantisÖ.

Russ: right.

Tia: youíre very adept at using themÖ.

Russ: right.

Tia: but wouldnít it be better to learn how to handle being without them?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: you have them, you've had them for a long time, but what about learning to survive without them?

Russ: hmmm, okay.

Tia: you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now you have a whole load of new and different lessons that you need to learn. You get to a point where that you have learned to live without them and you can remember at times what it was like to live with them so when it comes time for that next logical, evolutionary step as Omal calls it you know both, you know how to live with and without them.

Russ: I see.

Tia: I use my astral travel as part of my work. Kiriís telling me that she very seldom uses her coercion.

Russ: as part of her work?

Tia: as part of anything.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: the only time that she uses her coercion is when somebody is not behaving as they should and sheís limited on time to deal with the problem in a different way.

Russ: so in essence she learned one thing on how to use without it.....

Tia: uh-huh.....

Russ: now she has learned how to use with it and sheís balancing the two together.

(Tia starts clapping.)

Russ: but now what about you? You never started off on sixth dimension, you started off on third dimension?

Tia: that is why I prefaced it by saying Iím trying to understand it as well.

Russ: ahhh.

Tia: you see?

Russ: right because you being here, I canít call it an accident because itís not, youíre obviously here.

Tia: I was probably ready but not ready. It was one of those things, heads or tails, am I ready or am I not ready? And I call heads and it landed on its tail.

Russ: okay. SoÖ..

Tia: but you see what Iím saying?

Russ: right.

Tia: I should imagine I could have gone either way.

Russ: okay, understandable. So youíre getting your lessons from a different source than you would of on Durondedunn?

Tia: correct.

Russ: hmm okay. And Iím getting my sources from a different place than Sirius.

Tia: correct. So we all have our paths and lessons to walk.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay?

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay anymore questions?

Russ: yeah are we going to do the news tonight, because Iíll need to write it down actually and transcribe itÖ.

Tia: Iíve been way too busy to do any news.

Russ: okay.

Tia: just put down Iíve been too busy with whatís going on in the market, political situations, I could go on for hours about that and I donít want to tonight.

Russ: okay.

Tia: I could go on about economic setups, exchange ratesÖ.

Russ: donít worry about it.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: it's not exciting.

Tia: yeah. Terribly, terribly dry and boring unless you happen to be into that sort of thing which I really am not, well not tonight anyway. 



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