Growth And Understanding in the Developing Consciousness

8-26-97 & 9-2-97


8-26-97

Tia; OK, As we have a large crowd gathering, let's get down to business. First off, the stock market. In the last two weeks it's dropped 400 points, that's one and a half percent. Nobodies screaming and yelling blue murder at this point but there are rumors floating around that the market is developing into a bear market. It's actually a bear slash bull market where it fluctuates and changes constantly. We'll see what happens before we start issuing general alerts.
Russ; So now's not a good time to put any money into the market?
Tia; Actually you could get some pretty good deals. When you play the stock market, it's not getting in and getting out, it's getting in and waiting and watching until the right time to sell and make a profit. Now I have to go and put the first speaker on.
R; See you in a while.

9-2-97

Tia; Hello.
Russ; Hi Tia.
Tia; First of all, stock market, up two percent for a total of up 257 points for the whole day. This is quite expected but, it is the biggest jump ever. It still hasn't recovered the three percent it lost so, the stock market's doing it's thing and I'm getting tired of going over stock market things over and over again because every time I say something it happens. Can you blame me? OK, now, dissertation time. Growth is a good topic to start on. Growth and understanding in the development and consciousness from my standpoint and view. Constantly learning is something that is very important, if you stop learning, then you stop progressing and advancing. The necessary struggle involved in the growth is the important thing. By struggling you grow and by growing you want to learn more. So it is necessary to have the correct kind of stimuli to continue the growth in whatever avenue is necessary for the individual to choose. In doing so, they have to set themselves goals and objectives that they are consciously aware of. By being consciously aware of these goals, you can head for these objectives which in turn, are nearer to the subconscious goals on where you want to go and whatever lessons you feel are necessary to learn. For example, let's see, working with computers since that seems to be the topic and the flavor of the week. By learning new computer systems and trying to figure out problems, stimulates the mind in such a way that it becomes active and craves the necessary desire for the work to be done. As you well know Russ, constantly learning new things is very important and by doing so, you achieve a constant state of growth which is what you want. Unlike a stock market, which goes through cycles of growth and retraction, growth and retraction, and I deliberately repeat that as an example. It goes through a circular motion whereas by growing and learning, you do not go through the circular motion. Because learning one thing leads to questing and knowledge of the next thing which in turn makes you want to go to the next thing and the next thing and it constantly keeps your mind active. It regenerates you in a particular sort of way that gives it the necessary impetus and oompth to continue on your learning quest. You do not need to go over the same lessons over and over again. Certainly there are some lessons that need to be repeated and hammered home, but once they have been learned, you progress on. By progressing on, you move on to the next objective that you set yourself. Any questions?
R; Well just being born is starting off on the cycle of growth correct?
Tia; Correct. But some people get to a point in their lives where they are no longer interested in growth. They are only interested in doing the same things over and over again.
R; Well for example, as with the stock market, doesn't that represent some people?
Tia; Yes, it is a circular thing that they don't learn from.
R; Well let's say that they grow and then they fall back, grow and fall back?
Tia; That's not growing. If you listen to what you said, it is not growing. How can you grow again if you haven't learned the lessons?
R; Well you learn the lessons and go to a higher level.
Tia; No, it doesn't work like that. Just as the stock market is a circular system, you cannot compare it to people because it is not a person thing. It is driven by numbers and desires and bad planning. It is not something you can compare to people. Next question.
R; Now with each life you go on to you start your next cycle of life.
Tia; Correct.
R; Now is there a point where you come full circle?
Tia; Not that I'm aware of. Because if you go full circle then you go back to point where you have learned nothing and you need to relearn those lessons. So therefore it is not growth, it becomes circular at that point. I know where you trying to head...
R; From Atlantis?
Tia; Uh Hmm. You see it's different. What happened is that you learned all the lessons that were necessary to learn at that point. You set into motion karmic debts to be sorted out and deeds that were done were driven by the necessary lessons that had been learned in the waiting period and this is what I am trying to understand myself. In the waiting period between lives you decide what you need to learn best from all those possibilities that you have created and to deal and address each one, one at a time so you can advance to the next level having learned those lessons. If you don't learn them, you have to repeat them. So therefore, the stimuli is not there to advance you see. Having learned the lessons and getting it right, you go on to the next set of lessons. So it's not constantly falling back. You've learned your lessons from that class so you move on to the next logical level.
R; The question I though is why in those lessons we had to learn at that point, we're trying to relearn them now? IE, say with psychic skills that we knew and could use quite well in Atlantis and now we're trying to relearn those same skills and bring them back to the point where we lost them from.
Tia; No, I don't see it that way at all.
R; Really?
Tia; Uh Hmm.
R; Well for example, my healing skills were much greater then than they are now.
Tia; True but they were also corrupted. So they needed to be pruned so that you could not go charging off and not become a great geneticist in this life and create a race of mutants. You see you're not learning how to heal, you're learning how to deal with those moral issues. Is it right to tamper with genes to create for want of a better word, slaves? Which is what you did last time. So are you learning new lessons or are you learning how to be like you once were?
R; I'm trying to learn from that point.
Tia; That's right.
R; What about telepathy?
Tia; You have telepathy.
R; Not at the level I had then.
Tia; But you do not need it.
R; Sometimes you think you do.
Tia; But you don't really, because you don't really need those lessons.
R; I see what your point is. We have to picture those lessons from Atlantis as lesser lessons than what we're learning now.
Tia; No, no. Not lesser, different.
R; Oh yes, different. So as Omal said, those were parts of the keys to the door to the next evolutionary step?
Tia; Correct.
R; And those keys opened up some locks and we are trying to find the other keys.
Tia; Correct. Let us look at this another way. You have these great skills in Atlantis and you are very adept at using them but wouldn't it be better to learn how to handle being without them? You've had them for a long time but how about learning to survive without them?
R; OK.....good point.
Tia; Now you have a whole new set of lessons that you have to learn. Now you are learning to live without them and you can remember at times what it was like to live with them. So when it comes time for that next evolutionary step, you know both. How to live with and without them.
R; I see.
Tia; I use my astral travel as part of my work. Kiri is telling me that she very seldom uses her coercion. The only time she uses her coercion is when somebody is not behaving as they should and she is limited in time in dealing with it in another way.
R; So in essence she learned how to live without it and now is balancing the lessons learned from having it.
Tia; Correct.
R; How about you who never started off on sixth dimension but instead started off on third dimension?
Tia; That is why I prefaced it with I am still trying to understand it as well.
R; Oh. So you're just getting your lessons from a different source then you would of on Durondedunn?
Tia; Correct.
R; And I'm getting my lessons from a different place than Sirius?
Tia; Correct, so we all have our paths and lessons to walk. OK? Any more questions?
R; Nope, you've answered them all.
Tia; OK then I'm going to put on the next speaker. I'll be back....


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