Russ; Hi Tia, How's it going?
Tia; Doing better than ever.
R; Well that's good to hear.
Tia; Well let's get down to business and start
tonight's session. By Mark's watch it is seven five
R; I have some questions on the economic front.
Tia; OK, go ahead.
R; Welfare reform is being discussed in the
government and I was wondering how it will affect
the various possibilities of a financial crisis that
you have warned about? Possibly the difference
between a depression or a recession. What are your
views on that?
Tia; Well there are various other contributing
factors that go into that. Not just a recession.
Increase in frivolous expenditure, for example feel
good programs to make people feel good about cars
which they already own.
R; Did you get that from the movie ''Dave?''
Tia; I did actually but they do have programs like
that. You see, the Democratic party seems to be
interested in one thing and one thing only, power.
R; Well it beats the Republicans who are only
interested in money.
Tia; Well money can be a useful tool. Power,
absolute power does what?
R; Corrupts absolutely?
Tia; Correct. Also you must take into account the
government bickering and arguing over factors such
as shutting the government down the government
itself. As I said before, feel good programs that
actually do nothing. For example, saving fictional
endangered species, stopping alternative growth,
buying external oil when the country is quite
capable of supporting itself using ethanol as
opposed to petroleum products. Expenditures like
that which drain the very life blood from the
R; Well as I remember the country doesn't buy all
the oil, the gas companies do.
Tia; The gas companies could easily buy internally
products such as ethanol.
R; Well the government doesn't control the gas
Tia; True, but they control imports and exports.
Sending military forces overseas to protect VITAL
oil resources. One third of the United States armed
forces are overseas protecting oil resources which
is frivolous when your country's quite capable of
surviving independently without importing petroleum
products. These external frivolous expenditures are
a drain on the people because who has to pay these
men who are overseas? Who has to pay for their
transport? Who has to pay for their food? Who has to
pay for their clothing? Who has to pay for their
entertainment? You guys do. The further they are
away the more it costs. The longer they're overseas
the more it costs.
R; Well what I see happening is that the government
is working on various forms of welfare reform,
mainly taking welfare away from illegal immigrants
and minorities. By doing so they're getting upset a
group of people who if there was a recession,
wouldn't take much to go over their limits. This
might be a cause of the possibilities where we do
see chaos in the cities.
Tia; Uh Hmm.
R; So with that, is it better to wish for welfare
reform or push to keep it from happening?
Tia; It depends on what path you wish to go down.
R; Well explain please the different paths you are
Tia; OK, let's say welfare reform doesn't happen
right? But, a recession does.
R; All right.
Tia; OK, everybody suffers. Everybody suffers
equally but it's not that bad and recovery does
happen. But it takes time to get back to where you
are now. A long time. A hundred years at least. Now
let us assume that welfare reform does occur and the
crash does happen with all the right circumstances
occur to facilitate rioting, mass disobedience and
so on. There's one of many things that could happen.
One is that the government reinstitues welfare
programs, food stamps and so on. But that doesn't
really help because there is no money anyway because
where does the money come from? The people.
The people have to pay for these
other people to have food. So in actual fact they're
taking money from one group and giving it to another
which upsets the first group you see. Let us say
there is no reinstitution of welfare. The group that
is worst off in the long run is better off because
they go through the suffering, the growth, the
learning and understanding the necessary behavioral
patterns that are needed to be stronger and they
will recover quicker. The people that have had money
squirreled away will spend their money and spend
their money until they achieve the status of the
first group but the first group is already
recovering. They know how to recover. The other
group has lived fat and luxurious lives and don't.
They suffer. They go to the government and they beg,
thry plead, they riot, they fight, they cause
problems dragging the first group back down with
them. So therefore the disobedience happens all over
again but much more nastier this time. The
government has to step in and institute programs so
things occur that forces the level of learning to be
learnt the harsh way. The recovery rate from this is
about thirty to fifty years. So when they reachieve
their balance, it is not the parents but the
offspring that know how to proceed and how to go on
from where they were. This brings into play an
enlightened and accelerated purpose so that it
occurs much more rapidly and the development of the
mind because of the suffering is needed. Whereas the
long slow insidious decline in the first part I
discussed creates a laxadasical attitude. It
prolongs the growth. It's like if you go out and
prune roses. You prune them hard and the first year
they don't back as well. The second year they come
back a bit better and the third year they bloom
incredibly. Now if you only prune them lightly, the
following year they bloom beautifully and the year
after that they bloom not so well and they become a
little bit woody and long. The third year they bloom
a few flowers but put out quite a bit of growth and
again get very woody and you have to prune them back
hard. That is the way the possibilities I mentioned
look. The harsh pruning is the second possibility
and the light pruning is the first.
R; So it's the difference of a
hundred years and fifty years essentially?
R; Is there a chance that neither
Tia; I don't it happening. So you
really look most likely to end up in a variation of
R; So welfare reform itself won't
bring about the major problems?
Tia; No, not on it's own.
R; What about the fact that the
middle class is shrinking? Won't that add to the
bulk of people who are fed up with many of these
different programs you are talking about?
Tia; Well the definition of the
middle class keeps on chopping and changing and it's
really hard to define what the middle class is. To
start off with, when your current president was
elected it was anybody that earned over a $250,000 a
year was upper class which meant that anybody below
that but earned more than $20,000 were middle class.
Then it changed to anybody that earned over $100,000
were in the upper class. Then suddenly, the middle
class became anybody that earned under $70,000.
Bang, there goes another set of people into the
upper class bracket. Very clever manipulation if you
think about it. What's it doing? It's creating class
envy. It is creating the environment where a group
of individuals that are power hungry can get control
over the people that are disgruntled, the middle
class and the lower class by saying ''look at all
these people that have suddenly made it into the
upper class, the wealthy class. Very clever move.
R; Yes, but won't the upper class
be the last to learn? I mean even they have more
chance to learn and more chance to study, they
really don't take advantage of that.
Tia; No, you would be surprised
how many are spiritually aware and involved.
R; Well maybe their sons and
Tia; What did I say about the
ones that matter? It's not the parents, it's the
R; Now with that happening
they'll be more insulated from this as you say but
they will still come down the ladder a ways and
that's when the real learning will take place?
R; But in the meantime those that
have already been through it will be on their way
R; Now what's that leave for
those of us who have already learned from this and
are already on the way back up? That will make us
Tia; Correct. Teachers and
helpers. Now, I have to put on the next speaker, any
questions before I go?
Tia; OK, I'll be back in a while.