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 Russ; Hi Tia, How's it going?
Tia; Doing better than ever.
R; Well that's good to hear.
Tia; Well let's get down to business and start tonight's session. By Mark's watch it is seven five zero. Well?
R; I have some questions on the economic front.
Tia; OK, go ahead.
R; Welfare reform is being discussed in the government and I was wondering how it will affect the various possibilities of a financial crisis that you have warned about? Possibly the difference between a depression or a recession. What are your views on that?
Tia; Well there are various other contributing factors that go into that. Not just a recession. Increase in frivolous expenditure, for example feel good programs to make people feel good about cars which they already own.
R; Did you get that from the movie ''Dave?''
Tia; I did actually but they do have programs like that. You see, the Democratic party seems to be interested in one thing and one thing only, power.
R; Well it beats the Republicans who are only interested in money.
Tia; Well money can be a useful tool. Power, absolute power does what?
R; Corrupts absolutely?
Tia; Correct. Also you must take into account the government bickering and arguing over factors such as shutting the government down the government itself. As I said before, feel good programs that actually do nothing. For example, saving fictional endangered species, stopping alternative growth, buying external oil when the country is quite capable of supporting itself using ethanol as opposed to petroleum products. Expenditures like that which drain the very life blood from the country.
R; Well as I remember the country doesn't buy all the oil, the gas companies do.
Tia; The gas companies could easily buy internally products such as ethanol.
R; Well the government doesn't control the gas companies?
Tia; True, but they control imports and exports. Sending military forces overseas to protect VITAL oil resources. One third of the United States armed forces are overseas protecting oil resources which is frivolous when your country's quite capable of surviving independently without importing petroleum products. These external frivolous expenditures are a drain on the people because who has to pay these men who are overseas? Who has to pay for their transport? Who has to pay for their food? Who has to pay for their clothing? Who has to pay for their entertainment? You guys do. The further they are away the more it costs. The longer they're overseas the more it costs.
R; Well what I see happening is that the government is working on various forms of welfare reform, mainly taking welfare away from illegal immigrants and minorities. By doing so they're getting upset a group of people who if there was a recession, wouldn't take much to go over their limits. This might be a cause of the possibilities where we do see chaos in the cities.
Tia; Uh Hmm.
R; So with that, is it better to wish for welfare reform or push to keep it from happening?
Tia; It depends on what path you wish to go down.
R; Well explain please the different paths you are talking about.
Tia; OK, let's say welfare reform doesn't happen right? But, a recession does.
R; All right.
Tia; OK, everybody suffers. Everybody suffers equally but it's not that bad and recovery does happen. But it takes time to get back to where you are now. A long time. A hundred years at least. Now let us assume that welfare reform does occur and the crash does happen with all the right circumstances occur to facilitate rioting, mass disobedience and so on. There's one of many things that could happen. One is that the government reinstitues welfare programs, food stamps and so on. But that doesn't really help because there is no money anyway because where does the money come from? The people.
    The people have to pay for these other people to have food. So in actual fact they're taking money from one group and giving it to another which upsets the first group you see. Let us say there is no reinstitution of welfare. The group that is worst off in the long run is better off because they go through the suffering, the growth, the learning and understanding the necessary behavioral patterns that are needed to be stronger and they will recover quicker. The people that have had money squirreled away will spend their money and spend their money until they achieve the status of the first group but the first group is already recovering. They know how to recover. The other group has lived fat and luxurious lives and don't. They suffer. They go to the government and they beg, thry plead, they riot, they fight, they cause problems dragging the first group back down with them. So therefore the disobedience happens all over again but much more nastier this time. The government has to step in and institute programs so things occur that forces the level of learning to be learnt the harsh way. The recovery rate from this is about thirty to fifty years. So when they reachieve their balance, it is not the parents but the offspring that know how to proceed and how to go on from where they were. This brings into play an enlightened and accelerated purpose so that it occurs much more rapidly and the development of the mind because of the suffering is needed. Whereas the long slow insidious decline in the first part I discussed creates a laxadasical attitude. It prolongs the growth. It's like if you go out and prune roses. You prune them hard and the first year they don't back as well. The second year they come back a bit better and the third year they bloom incredibly. Now if you only prune them lightly, the following year they bloom beautifully and the year after that they bloom not so well and they become a little bit woody and long. The third year they bloom a few flowers but put out quite a bit of growth and again get very woody and you have to prune them back hard. That is the way the possibilities I mentioned look. The harsh pruning is the second possibility and the light pruning is the first.
    R; So it's the difference of a hundred years and fifty years essentially?
    Tia; Basically.
    R; Is there a chance that neither could happen?
    Tia; I don't it happening. So you really look most likely to end up in a variation of those two.
    R; So welfare reform itself won't bring about the major problems?
    Tia; No, not on it's own.
    R; What about the fact that the middle class is shrinking? Won't that add to the bulk of people who are fed up with many of these different programs you are talking about?
    Tia; Well the definition of the middle class keeps on chopping and changing and it's really hard to define what the middle class is. To start off with, when your current president was elected it was anybody that earned over a $250,000 a year was upper class which meant that anybody below that but earned more than $20,000 were middle class. Then it changed to anybody that earned over $100,000 were in the upper class. Then suddenly, the middle class became anybody that earned under $70,000. Bang, there goes another set of people into the upper class bracket. Very clever manipulation if you think about it. What's it doing? It's creating class envy. It is creating the environment where a group of individuals that are power hungry can get control over the people that are disgruntled, the middle class and the lower class by saying ''look at all these people that have suddenly made it into the upper class, the wealthy class. Very clever move.
    R; Yes, but won't the upper class be the last to learn? I mean even they have more chance to learn and more chance to study, they really don't take advantage of that.
    Tia; No, you would be surprised how many are spiritually aware and involved.
    R; Well maybe their sons and daughters.
    Tia; What did I say about the ones that matter? It's not the parents, it's the kids.
    R; Now with that happening they'll be more insulated from this as you say but they will still come down the ladder a ways and that's when the real learning will take place?
    Tia; Correct.
    R; But in the meantime those that have already been through it will be on their way up?
    Tia; Correct.
    R; Now what's that leave for those of us who have already learned from this and are already on the way back up? That will make us teachers then?
    Tia; Correct. Teachers and helpers. Now, I have to put on the next speaker, any questions before I go?
    R; No.
    Tia; OK, I'll be back in a while.

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