Karra On Stress, Health and Coercion Morals
In Attendance; Russ & John
Russ; Hi Karra.
John; Hey there.
Karra; Okay down to healing questions, do we have any to start
off with? Johnny?
J; Yes I was going to get a flu shot and I know in years past
sometimes it depends on the vaccine they use, sometimes they
work good, sometimes they make people sick, sometimes their
totally ineffective, I donít even know what their using this
year. Should I go ahead and get one?
Karra, WellÖ.itís up to you. It depends on how bad the flu is
that you might get.
J; Well the odds of getting the flu in this community are
J; Right. And with my life style and with skiing and all, that
adds to it.
Karra; I think you just answered your own questionÖand whatís
happened to Markís voice? Itís making me sound a little husky?
R; Want me to get you some tea or something?
Karra; No, Iím fine. I think it be all right for awhile. I
think you answered your own question by listing all the
negatives that there are. So I would say that itís your own
choice. I canít say for you get the flu shot or do not get the
J; Yeah, Iím going to get the flu shot. Youíre right, I
answered my own question.
Karra; And that is as Tia would say, a very good question to
ask. You have opened up the thought processes so that by
talking to us or speaking out loud, youíve worked it through.
J; Thank you.
Karra; Youíre welcome. Next questions please.
R; I have a friend who is going through some distressing life
changes right now and Iím concerned for her health. Is she
looking at problems either physically or mentally because of
Karra; Ah yes. Both, which one do wish us to look at first?
R; Letís start with physical health.
Karra; Physical health, well obviously thereís the depression
of the immune system through stress. Sad neglect because of
not feeling worthy or good. People in that situation tend to
be almost constantly sick. Also the fact that drugs and
alcohol are present and she could end up walking down that
path. She has to be very strong to avoid that particular
danger, because once she walks down that path, itís going to
be a long hard time for her to walk back out of it.
R; All right the mental.
Karra; Okay the mental. Itís very similar to the physical in
that being constantly battered down mentally that sheís not
worthy to have anybody better, that she is stuck in the victim
cycle. You know, if I do this right, he wonít beat me. He
wonít abuse me further. But if I donít do this, say for
example clean, if I clean the house the house looks nice but
he doesnít like that. But I want to clean the house so sheís
in a quandary, what doeís she do. So she ends up doing
nothing. And by becoming inactive it gives her too much time
to think on trying to please this person and thatís all she
thinks about, is that sheís not worthy. If she leaves him, and
I will put money on this if I had some, is his comments will
be that you will never make it on your own, or words very
close to that.
R; Or try to break her down.
Karra; Exactly, by breaking her down, her self esteem becomes
very low. She becomes reliant on him and pleasing him. Now if
she gets pregnant, the situation gets worse.
R; Well now the time where she has to make her own decision
and those are going to be the most important for her. Karra;
From listening when you and Mark were talking to her we saw
that she was open to your suggestions and Marks coercion but
they will have to be reinforced through out the future. Now I
would like to add about coercion. Now this is open for either
of you to comment on. Is what Mark doing with his coercion
good or bad?
R; Because heís trying to help someone else and heís not using
it for selfish reasons.
J; And heís also refining his techniques so itís a duality
Karra; Exactly. Now, if he coerced her to go to bed with him,
is that good or bad?
R; Selfish motives.
J; UhmmÖI donít see it as being bad if his motives are not
selfish. If thereís more than just sex to it I donít see it as
being bad. Karra; Both of you are correct actually. UhmmÖ. If
it to make her feel guilty so that she gets away from the
dangerÖyou know the motive is a very tricky area. The motive
has to be of the most purest kind. And if he enjoys it that is
R; I donít know Karra, that playing in some serious gray areas
R; I mean if you want to stay in the third dimension for the
next couple of lifetimesÖ.
Karra; Not necessarily.
R; Yeah but itís just such a fine line. Weíre not evolved
enough to make that call or to fine tune our coercion down to
that kind of motive. I mean thereís going to be other subtler
things going on there thatís going to cloud that coercion from
the start. I mean thereís no way we could have your or Omalís
focused type of coercion.
Karra; No, but it would be the ultimate test of your coercive
R; Yeah, but what if it fails, itís not worth the price.
Karra; But what of the price it succeeds?
R; Itís negligible.
Karra; No itís not. Itís a great step forward because it is
the difference between coercion in a negative form and using
negative coercion in a positive form. Iím not really qualified
to put it into words properly, Kiri is but Iím not.
R; Iíll ask Kiri then. Iím sure sheís had to deal with this a
couple of times herself.
Karra; Yes I think she has but I canít answer for her.
J; Whatís your thoughtís on it Karra?
Karra; My thoughts are that Mark would never do that in the
first place. But I had to say it to explain a point on
J; Yeah, I donít see Mark doing that either.
Karra; The one thing that really impresses me about Mark is
his high moral standards. But also there is the negative side
of his high moral standards. He tries to live by his high
moral standards and frequently he makes mistakes of expecting
other people to live by those high moral standards, and when
they fail, heís disgusted.
J; Mark is a man of honor, thereís no doubt about that. But he
needs to learn to live with people with different codes of
honor than himself and myself. Russ is a good
Karra; (also laughs)Yes Russ has no honor.
R; I have an area code if that helps?
Karra; Which oneís that? The 916?
J; Yeah, 916.
Karra; I was just joking. I prefer the area code 69 (all
laugh). Okay, last healing question before I pop out.
J; Mind if I go first Russ?
R; Please, age before beauty (all laugh).
J; As far as the planetary healing in the consciousness of the
people of the planet becoming more aware, I see it happening
amongst all the corruption and (expletive) that goes on. I do
see it happening, how do you perceive it?
Karra; Yes it is definitely happening. More people are aware
of what is going on. Tia just handed me a little note in
spidery handwriting that looks very similar to Sirian but not
quite. Itís just about legible, but what it says is that a
politician was accused on a TV political analyzing program
that he wanted to pollute the air and the water and his reply
was ĎíI breath that air, I drink that water, why would I want
to pollute itíí. The person that was accusing him just talked
right over his statement. This person who was accused showed
that he even though he was making money through big business,
he was very concerned with what is necessary to heal the
planet so that their life can be improved and made better.
That is that people who have always been looked upon as money
grabbing industrialists are just as concerned if not more,
than those that arenít politically concerned. Russ?
R; No questions for right now.
Karra; I have to go now and make room for the next time. See
R; Thank you Karra.
J; Yes, thank you.
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