Karra: hello.

Russ: hello Karra.

Karra: yes.

John: hey Karra.

Karra: greetings Johnny.

John: how you doing?

Karra: I am doing fine however, my other half…..

John: yeah?

Karra: is not.

John: yeah, Russ the love muscle.

Karra: he has a lot on his mind at the moment.

Russ: well you have to expect that dear.

Karra: yes, now first of all, what we want to do dear is to stand up. Okay, now put your arms out, ninety degrees from your body.....that's good. Now inhale. A nice, long deep…….come on inhale…… a nice, long deeeeeeepp inhale. Now exhale very slowly, go......now, fill those lungs up quickly, take a deep breath, go (inhales) hold it…...now exhale. Okay, feeling better?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: good, your energy was getting a little bit concerning for Tia, she was watching it on the monitor.

Russ: oh.

Karra: when she turned her head to look at Kiri, she was also looking at the monitor that is set up on the portable unit.

Russ: oh really?

John: but that breathing exercise you just did with a Russ, I can see that his fingers relaxed, he was a lot tighter.

Karra: yeah.

John: and as soon as he started to breathe in, you can see it was almost involuntary where his fingers.....

Russ: well you have to realize it’s a little tough to switch gears so quickly.

Karra: uh-huh, that’s why we had you do that.

Russ: right.

Karra: yeah, your energy level was as Tia likes to put it, was reaching a point of impatient explosion.

Russ: I was trying to channel some of it.

Karra: uh-huh, but it was reaching critical mass that it would’ve exploded in a rage of impatience.

Russ: sometimes it can be handy I’ve noticed in certain situations.

Karra: yes, certain situations like last night after the channeling session. Yes?

Russ: what happened then?

Karra: concerning the person that you were talking to.

Russ: who, Erica?

Karra: no. Last night.

Russ: oh you mean Lady Lorna? I mean the Muse.

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh the Muse yeah.

Karra: I think......I feel that she got what she deserved from you, that she put herself or put you in the position where you had to make a stand.

Russ: well she did, she basically ripped into Tia and Kiri.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and hey, I'm not going to stand by for that one.

Karra: no. What was her phrase? Did anybody learn anything new from this possession?

Russ: that’s right, I got some good ones in on that one.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes but I think she was a prime example of somebody as Tia loves to say and it sounds so good, an explosion of impatience.

Russ: yep.

Karra: she’s sitting there going………feeling all important. Okay now down to healing questions, do we have any to start off with?

Russ: let’s see, working with (Name removed) lately on my healing techniques.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: anything more I can advance on that one?

Karra: just keep preceding as you are but remember that it is necessary to verbalize that in due course and to help her focus her energy and to open her up so that she can realize on her own the error and the danger that she is in, Johnny?

John: yeah, I was going to get a flu shot and I know in years past sometimes it depends on the vaccine they use and sometimes they work good, sometimes they make people sick, sometimes they're totally ineffective. I don’t even know what they’re using this year, should I go ahead and get one?

Karra: well it’s up to you, it depends on how bad the flu might be that you might get.

John: well the odds of getting flu in this community….

Karra: are pretty high.

John: are very high and with my lifestyle and with the skiing and all, that adds to it and in the environment that I work in........when I go in to a walk-in refrigerator, basically it’s an incubator for the flu virus. If an employee goes into the walk-in before me and coughs and has the flu, those airborne particles live in that 34° temperature quite nicely.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: and then I go in there to get some lettuce for example or whatever and I’ve seen that happen before and this place is big and there’s a lot of different people.

Karra: I think you’ve just answered your own question and what’s happened to Mark’s voice? It’s making me sound a little husky, okay.....

Russ: want me to get you some tea or something?

Karra: no I’m fine.

Russ: a lozenge, a throat lozenge?

Karra: I think it’ll be all right for a while.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay?

John: I think it’s Mark, I don’t think it’s you.

Karra: that’s better.

John: Mark got his flu shot, he complained about his arm being sore.

Russ: I got mine.

John: you have?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: but I think you've answered your own question by saying that listing all the negatives that there are.

John: okay yeah.

Karra: yeah. So I would say it is your own choice, I cannot say for you get the flu shot or do not get the flu shot.

John: yeah I think I'm going to go ahead and get it. Yeah you’re right, I answered my own question.

Karra: yeah and that is as Tia would say, it is a very good question to ask. You have opened up the thought process so that by talking to us or speaking out loud, you’ve worked it through, it is your choice.

John: thank you.

Karra: you’re welcome, next questions please.

Russ: yes when you mentioned about the error and the danger that she's in, you're speaking of physical health or mental health?

Karra: both.

Russ: and?

Karra: which one do you wish us to look at first?

Russ: start with physical health?

Karra: physical health, well obviously there’s the depression of the immune system through….

Russ: stress?

Karra: stress definitely, self-neglect because of not being felt to be worthy or good. People in that situation tend to be almost constantly sick. Also the fact that drugs and alcohol are present and that she could end up walking down that path. She has to be very strong to avoid that physical danger because once she walks down that path, it’s going to be a long, hard time for her to walk out of it.

Russ: that’s true.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, the mental.

Karra: mental. Well very similar to the physical, yeah being constantly battered down mentally that she's not worthy to have anybody better, that she is possible to be in the victim cycle. "Now if I do this, right? He won’t beat me, he won’t abuse me further but if I don’t do this, say for example cleaning. If I clean the house the house looks nice but he doesn’t like that but I want to clean the house." So she’s in a quandary, what does she do and she ends up doing nothing and by becoming inactive, that gives her too much time to think on trying to please this person and that’s all she thinks about is that she's not worthy. 

Russ: hmm.

Karra: if she leaves him and I will put almost money on this if I had some is his comments will be, “you will never make it on your own” or words very close to that.

Russ: no doubt he'll try to break her down.

Karra: exactly. By breaking her down, her self-esteem becomes very low, she becomes reliant upon him and of pleasing him. If she gets pregnant, the situation gets worse.

Russ: well we’re just going to wait-and-see moment-by-moment anyway.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because right now is the time where she has to make her own decisions and those are the ones that will be the most important for her.

Karra: that’s correct. From listening when you and Mark were talking to her, she was opened wide by Mark, she was peeled like marshmallow with his coercive ability. 

Russ: uh-hmm. 

Karra: and he put some very deep thoughts into her that she’s thinking about but they will have to be reactivated from time to time.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and we will work on that together as a team.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: now I would like to add about coercion, now this is open for either of you to comment on, is what Mark is doing with his coercion good or bad?

Russ: it’s good.

John: it’s good.

Karra: why?

Russ: because he’s using it to help someone else.

John: and he’s also refining his techniques so it’s a duality there.

Karra: uh-huh exactly.

Russ: he’s not using it in a selfish manner.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: he’s got good intentions and he's helping himself and he’s helping this person.

Karra: exactly, now if he coerced her to go to bed with him, is that good or bad?

Russ: bad.

Karra: why?

Russ: selfish motives.

Karra: Johnny?

John: I don’t see it as being bad if his motives are not selfish. If it’s more than just a sexual, if there’s more than just sex to it, I don’t see it as being bad.

Karra: John, both of you are correct actually. If it is to make her feel guilty and to get away from the danger, the motive it's a very, very tricky area. The motive has to be of the most purest kind and if he enjoys it, that is irrelevant.

Russ: well I don’t know Karra, that’s playing with some serious gray areas there.

Karra: exactly.

Russ: if he wants to stay on the third dimension for the next couple life times, yeah......

Karra: not necessarily, not necessarily.

Russ: yeah but it’s such a fine line, I mean we’re not evolved enough…..

Karra: to make that call.

Russ: to make the call or to fine tune our coercion down to that type of motive.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean there’s going to be other subtler hints going in there that’s going to cloud that coercion from the start. I mean there’s no way we could have yours or Omal’s type of focused coercion.

Karra: no but it would be the ultimate test of the coercive ability of Mark.

Russ: yeah but what if he fails? It ain't worth the price.

Karra: but what of the price if he succeeds?

Russ: it’s negligible.

Karra: no it’s not, it’s a great step forward because it is the difference between coercion in a negative form and using negative coercion in a positive form. Now I’m not really qualified to answer, to put it into words properly, Kiri is but I’m not.

Russ: we’ll approach Kiri with this one I think.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m sure she’s had to deal with this a couple times herself.

Karra: yes I think she is the right person to answer things on that.

John: what’s your thoughts on it Karra?

Karra: my thoughts are that Mark would never do that in the first place but I had to say it to explain a point on coercion.

John: okay, because I don’t see Mark doing that, I think I know the man pretty well and I can’t see him doing that.

Karra: the one thing that really, really impresses me about Mark is his high moral standards but also there is the negative side to his high moral standards is that he lives by or tries to live by his high moral standards and frequently he makes the mistake of expecting other people to live by those high moral standards and when they fail, he's disgusted.

John: Mark is a man of honor, there's no doubt about that but no, he’s got a learn to live with people with different codes of honor than himself and myself I mean Russ is a good example.

Karra: yes, Russ has no code of honor.

Russ: I don’t know, I’ve got an area code, does that count?

Karra: which one's that? Is that the 916?

John: 916. 916 yeah, unlisted.

Karra: I'm just joking.

Russ: can I use that?

Karra: 916, personally I prefer code 69.

Russ: ahh yes, I do too.

John: yeah, yeah.

Karra: anyway okay, last questions on the healing before I have to hop out?

John: oh really then, you don’t mind if I go first do you Russ?

Russ: no please, help yourself.

John: all right, as far as the planetary healing and the consciousness of the people on the planet becoming more aware and the planetary healing, I see it happening amongst all the corruption and bullshit that goes on. I do see it happening, how do you perceive it?

Karra: yes it is definitely happening, more people are aware of what is going on. Tia just handed me a little note in spidery handwriting that looks very similar to Sirian but not quite, it is just about legible but what it says….

John: what language is it in?

Karra: it is in Sirian, I'm just harassing her.

John: okay.

Karra: but what it says is that a politician was accused on a TV performance, a political analyzing program that he was accused of wanting to pollute the air and the water and his reply was, “I breathe that air, I drink that water. Why would I want to pollute it?” And the person that was accusing him just talked right over his statements of, “why would I want to poison myself, why would I want to poison my children or my grandchildren?” And this person was a Republican political person and the other person was a liberal television announcer. I can’t read the names too clearly but the fact that this person was accused of something that he was…..felt very strongly against, shows that the people that have always been more into industry and making money are also aware of the necessary to heal the planet so that their life can be improved and made better. The fact that some people use it to make them look bad by talking over them and shouting them down when they try to make these points is irrelevant. The fact remains that even the people that have always been looked upon as money grabbing industrialists are just as concerned if not more then those that aren’t politically conservative.

John: would you hand Tia a little note that says that I strongly disagree and I will discuss politics with her later.

Karra: okay.

John: thank you Karra.

Karra: you’re welcome, Russ?

Russ: yeah, the next phase in training I think should go to is self-healing?

Karra: not yet, she’s not quite ready for that because of the environment that she’s in.

Russ: okay.

Karra: yes it is a logical step once she has been healed and has been put in a situation where she is in control, where she as she puts it, feels in control not where she is being controlled.

Russ: okay.

John: can I interact on that briefly?

Karra: certainly, but it costs.

John: that’s okay, I can handle the payment no matter what it is.

Karra: I’m just joking.

John: but wouldn’t it be helpful for Russ to put some tools in this young woman’s mind to help her along the way? Because for her to get out of this situation, she needs to start to do some self-healing, some mental healing.

Karra: yes and no, the fact is that for her to concentrate on the mental healing will take energy that is necessary for other things. Also the fact that she will heal herself but it will be torn straight back down again. It is a pointless exercise to build a wall if it is only can be knocked down. If you build a wall of sand on the beach, what happens to the wall of sand?

John: yeah but if you build a brick wall and it gets knocked down halfway, doesn’t that give you a better base to start from again?

Karra: sometimes yes but in this case no........

John: okay.

Karra: for the simple reason that those building blocks that would be left standing would be more of a hindrance because each case is different. Certainly they are similar but they're also very different. Okay thank you.

John: thank you very much.

Russ: farewell Karra.