In Attendance; Russ & John
Russ; Hi Karra.
John; Hey there.
Karra; Okay down to healing questions, do
we have any to start off with? Johnny?
J; Yes I was going to get a flu shot and I
know in years past sometimes it depends on the
vaccine they use, sometimes they work good,
sometimes they make people sick, sometimes their
totally ineffective, I donít even know what their
using this year. Should I go ahead and get one?
Karra, WellÖ.itís up to you. It depends on
how bad the flu is that you might get.
J; Well the odds of getting the flu in
this community are veryÖ.
J; Right. And with my life style and with
skiing and all, that adds to it.
Karra; I think you just answered your own
questionÖand whatís happened to Markís voice? Itís
making me sound a little husky?
R; Want me to get you some tea or
Karra; No, Iím fine. I think it be all
right for awhile. I think you answered your own
question by listing all the negatives that there
are. So I would say that itís your own choice. I
canít say for you get the flu shot or do not get
the flu shot.
J; Yeah, Iím going to get the flu shot.
Youíre right, I answered my own question.
Karra; And that is as Tia would say, a
very good question to ask. You have opened up the
thought processes so that by talking to us or
speaking out loud, youíve worked it through.
J; Thank you.
Karra; Youíre welcome. Next questions
R; I have a friend who is going through
some distressing life changes right now and Iím
concerned for her health. Is she looking at
problems either physically or mentally because of
Karra; Ah yes. Both, which one do wish us
to look at first?
R; Letís start with physical health.
Karra; Physical health, well obviously
thereís the depression of the immune system
through stress. Sad neglect because of not feeling
worthy or good. People in that situation tend to
be almost constantly sick. Also the fact that
drugs and alcohol are present and she could end up
walking down that path. She has to be very strong
to avoid that particular danger, because once she
walks down that path, itís going to be a long hard
time for her to walk back out of it.
R; All right the mental.
Karra; Okay the mental. Itís very similar
to the physical in that being constantly battered
down mentally that sheís not worthy to have
anybody better, that she is stuck in the victim
cycle. You know, if I do this right, he wonít beat
me. He wonít abuse me further. But if I donít do
this, say for example clean, if I clean the house
the house looks nice but he doesnít like that. But
I want to clean the house so sheís in a quandary,
what doeís she do. So she ends up doing nothing.
And by becoming inactive it gives her too much
time to think on trying to please this person and
thatís all she thinks about, is that sheís not
worthy. If she leaves him, and I will put money on
this if I had some, is his comments will be that
you will never make it on your own, or words very
close to that.
R; Or try to break her down.
Karra; Exactly, by breaking her down, her
self esteem becomes very low. She becomes reliant
on him and pleasing him. Now if she gets pregnant,
the situation gets worse.
R; Well now the time where she has to make
her own decision and those are going to be the
most important for her. Karra; From listening when
you and Mark were talking to her we saw that she
was open to your suggestions and Marks coercion
but they will have to be reinforced through out
the future. Now I would like to add about
coercion. Now this is open for either of you to
comment on. Is what Mark doing with his coercion
good or bad?
R; Because heís trying to help someone
else and heís not using it for selfish reasons.
J; And heís also refining his techniques
so itís a duality there.
Karra; Exactly. Now, if he coerced her to
go to bed with him, is that good or bad?
R; Selfish motives.
J; UhmmÖI donít see it as being bad if his
motives are not selfish. If thereís more than just
sex to it I donít see it as being bad. Karra; Both
of you are correct actually. UhmmÖ. If it to make
her feel guilty so that she gets away from the
dangerÖyou know the motive is a very tricky area.
The motive has to be of the most purest kind. And
if he enjoys it that is irrelevant.
R; I donít know Karra, that playing in
some serious gray areas there.
R; I mean if you want to stay in the third
dimension for the next couple of lifetimesÖ.
Karra; Not necessarily.
R; Yeah but itís just such a fine line.
Weíre not evolved enough to make that call or to
fine tune our coercion down to that kind of
motive. I mean thereís going to be other subtler
things going on there thatís going to cloud that
coercion from the start. I mean thereís no way we
could have your or Omalís focused type of
Karra; No, but it would be the ultimate
test of your coercive ability.
R; Yeah, but what if it fails, itís not
worth the price.
Karra; But what of the price it succeeds?
R; Itís negligible.
Karra; No itís not. Itís a great step
forward because it is the difference between
coercion in a negative form and using negative
coercion in a positive form. Iím not really
qualified to put it into words properly, Kiri is
but Iím not.
R; Iíll ask Kiri then. Iím sure sheís had
to deal with this a couple of times herself.
Karra; Yes I think she has but I canít
answer for her.
J; Whatís your thoughtís on it Karra?
Karra; My thoughts are that Mark would
never do that in the first place. But I had to say
it to explain a point on coercion.
J; Yeah, I donít see Mark doing that
Karra; The one thing that really impresses
me about Mark is his high moral standards. But
also there is the negative side of his high moral
standards. He tries to live by his high moral
standards and frequently he makes mistakes of
expecting other people to live by those high moral
standards, and when they fail, heís disgusted.
J; Mark is a man of honor, thereís no
doubt about that. But he needs to learn to live
with people with different codes of honor than
himself and myself. Russ is a good
Karra; (also laughs)Yes Russ has no honor.
R; I have an area code if that helps?
Karra; Which oneís that? The 916?
J; Yeah, 916.
Karra; I was just joking. I prefer the
area code 69 (all laugh). Okay, last healing
question before I pop out.
J; Mind if I go first Russ?
R; Please, age before beauty (all laugh).
J; As far as the planetary healing in the
consciousness of the people of the planet becoming
more aware, I see it happening amongst all the
corruption and (expletive) that goes on. I do see
it happening, how do you perceive it?
Karra; Yes it is definitely happening.
More people are aware of what is going on. Tia
just handed me a little note in spidery
handwriting that looks very similar to Sirian but
not quite. Itís just about legible, but what it
says is that a politician was accused on a TV
political analyzing program that he wanted to
pollute the air and the water and his reply was
ĎíI breath that air, I drink that water, why would
I want to pollute itíí. The person that was
accusing him just talked right over his statement.
This person who was accused showed that he even
though he was making money through big business,
he was very concerned with what is necessary to
heal the planet so that their life can be improved
and made better. That is that people who have
always been looked upon as money grabbing
industrialists are just as concerned if not more,
than those that arenít politically concerned.
R; No questions for right now.
Karra; I have to go now and make room for
the next time. See you later.
R; Thank you Karra.
J; Yes, thank you.